Open 866: CK9++ [game over!]

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first

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*Game advancing content*

See ya after 2 days

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I miss times where i am elimed at Elo.

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VOTE: Malakittens

Nostalgia

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Pagetop

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My readlist right now:

Enchant - Town
Everyone else - Null

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Imo scum would stay as semi-active because the silent people are most sus and prone to vote wagons and investigation; And if they are the most active, people would start thinking "Why aren't they dead yet" later on and put them to vote wagons and investigation.

I disagree, but thought i think is town.

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Imo scum would stay as semi-active because the silent people are most sus and prone to vote wagons and investigation; And if they are the most active, people would start thinking "Why aren't they dead yet" later on and put them to vote wagons and investigation.

I disagree, but thought i think is town.

Where do you think scum are hiding, Enchant?

AMONG US

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idk it's page 4

I have two townreads thoug

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Who is it

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How you can play to Town meta with 2 posts duh.

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ugh not really

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ugh not really

Am I close at least?

hell i know

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ugh not really

Am I close at least?

hell i know

Are they 2 real reads, like not including yourself?

But i am town...........
So i count

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Who is scumchant

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Who are these people


I am town

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ye

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You are just jelaous, because my list are confirmed atleast 50% being right

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If you were me, would you

Townlean

locktown Enchant for writing that?

ye

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This game have problems if i am top2 poster

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They will not be true reads though

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I mean if i didn't notice something on first glance, then it's likely my mind making me to think "oh it's townie/scummy", knowing i doing it just to appease you lol

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They are strange, why they talk like there's different Enchants?
I don't know Enchant, i guess they don't know shit.
I know you know i know.

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You are just jelaous, because my list are confirmed atleast 50% being right

To no one except yourself.

I townread myself, I have no other TRs
There, by your logic my list of TRs is 100% confirmed!

holy shit

teach me to play

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So, basically,

ALL

of my

posts

sentences are scummy in some way? Should i even go through them one by one and try to defend myself?

ye

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You talk like i am only person in this game

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weakling

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Why the fuck i am not green

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VOTE: Lammolde

Hey look hammer

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Hi my list was still 50% accurate

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my read list

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After "i can see" i discovered that your post is irony and ignored it.

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VOTE: Gamma

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don't lol on me

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Because i am god of mafia

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idk i want to kill Gamma already

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VOTE: Lammolde
Why does your gut say it’s Frog?

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VOTE: SirCakez

My only scumread so far is Cakez

How so?

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this game is not even two pages and I already had a dream about we're in trouble

Dream about what?
But yeah I wanna do something goofy to kick things off but not sure what

Ayo Frog when’s your survey happening?

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VOTE: BBT
don’t have a good suspect yet so it’s wagonin’ time

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You are just jelaous, because my list are confirmed atleast 50% being right

To no one except yourself.

I townread myself, I have no other TRs
There, by your logic my list of TRs is 100% confirmed!

VOTE: lammolde
I'm sold

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VOTE: sircakez
Am also underwhelmed by Cakez

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I do
As far as I can recall I’ve been batting 1000 wrt reading Cakez recently
Recall the TFT game that just finished? I waffled on it later but I had Cakez as town early

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Ftr he hasn’t told in either direction yet but my impression is a lack of tells from Cakez early is scum-indicative

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Hi my list was still 50% accurate

What list

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Yeah I can see enchant as scum rn

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It’s more a musing based on Claire’s reads

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lol

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Enchant scum almost snowed me in T4F

Yeah I was just about fooled myself
Thankfully mechanics kicked in

Scummy

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Done

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Actually why Gamma

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VOTE: Pooky

Ye

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1. MariaR - Town Vengeful
2. Town PR
3. Town PR
4. Town PR
5. Vanilla Townie/PR
6. Vanilla Townie/PR
7. Vanilla Townie/Depends on SK
8. Town
9. Town

10. Mafia Goon
11. Lammolde - Mafia JOAT
12. Mafia Tailor/Godfather

13. Serial Killer (?)/Town Vigilante (?)

Known Letters:
K - Vengeful
KK - Vigilante (?)


Chances for letters:
50% T
15% I
10% P
10% K
10% M
5% A

On average means 3 PRs, let's assume we have 3 (but it's rough assumption)
No one claimed Miller (and i am only person in this game who would delibately not claim miller), so either Bus Driver, Bus Driver+Some combination of roleblockers/rolestoppers or No A letter whatsover.
No Innocent Child. No one claims Friendly Neighbour message. So we don't have M OR Friendly Neighbour actioned on dead.
Idk if that was Vigilante kill at all and which one. I would shot MariaR as Vigilante atleast. Well i would shot anyone as vigilante i guess...
Can't speculate on investigative or protective, they are not obvious.


Therefore:
KK*?????

M Letter is unlikely.
K can be Vigilante or it's simple SK.
Decent chance that no A letter exist.

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Ah yes i forgot CSF, add in Vanilla Townie.

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Scum Roles

TTTTTTT = mafia goon, mafia goon, serial killer

TTTTTT = mafia goon, {mafia JOAT (roleblock, ninja kill, strongman kill) OR mafia roleblocker} OR {godfather OR mafia tailor}**
TTTTT = mafia goon, {mafia JOAT OR mafia roleblocker} OR {godfather OR mafia tailor}, serial killer
TTTT = mafia goon, mafia goon, {mafia JOAT OR mafia roleblocker}
TTT = mafia goon, {mafia JOAT OR mafia roleblocker}, {godfather OR mafia tailor}, serial killer
TT = mafia goon, {mafia JOAT OR mafia roleblocker}, {godfather OR mafia tailor}
T = mafia tailor, mafia godfather, {mafia JOAT OR mafia roleblocker}, serial killer
0 Ts = mafia tailor, mafia godfather, {mafia JOAT OR mafia roleblocker}

~ serial killer chooses their ability pregame.

Oooh i kinda botched that.

If we are in 5T (closest for existance of SK which i also think is case), then there's

one

mafia member and SK. Therefore my list is incorrect.

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Why not, she could push me

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Scum Roles

TTTTTTT = mafia goon, mafia goon, serial killer

TTTTTT = mafia goon, {mafia JOAT (roleblock, ninja kill, strongman kill) OR mafia roleblocker} OR {godfather OR mafia tailor}**
TTTTT = mafia goon, {mafia JOAT OR mafia roleblocker} OR {godfather OR mafia tailor}, serial killer
TTTT = mafia goon, mafia goon, {mafia JOAT OR mafia roleblocker}
TTT = mafia goon, {mafia JOAT OR mafia roleblocker}, {godfather OR mafia tailor}, serial killer
TT = mafia goon, {mafia JOAT OR mafia roleblocker}, {godfather OR mafia tailor}
T = mafia tailor, mafia godfather, {mafia JOAT OR mafia roleblocker}, serial killer
0 Ts = mafia tailor, mafia godfather, {mafia JOAT OR mafia roleblocker}

~ serial killer chooses their ability pregame.

Oooh i kinda botched that.

If we are in 5T (closest for existance of SK which i also think is case), then there's

one

mafia member and SK. Therefore my list is incorrect.

I don't really get how the set up works, but if this is a 2 scum + 1 SK game then Cakes probably just is the second scum.

I put simple.
If we have 2 town PRs, then mafia had 2 members on start+SK.

Why not, she could push me

If you were a Vig, then you'd be confirmed town and she couldn't push you

PE: Maybe my view of the game is just the odd one out

I would had claimed, and then my murderspree would end!

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Alright, i really do think it's SK game and i don't really care cuz role sucks, so i claim.

I am Bodyguard. I protected Frogster N1.

It makes 2 PRs. If we in SK game (which prob is), then there's 2 futures:
1. There's no other PRs. Therefore there's no point in my role and i want to die anyway, so fuck it.
2. There's other PRs (+2 or +4 in fact). These either Investigatives (then good luck to them), or these are protectives/Action manipulations (Unlikely). While it could be M, i doubt so as well can assume there are not.

Btw if you DID roll Doctor, heal me obvs. If you rolled another BG, don't bodyguard me, because i asked, you can't get shot instead of BG getting shot and why would you die instead of me anyway. If you jailkeeper, idk go jail anyone, don't jail me though (again what point).


My role borderline useless, but if they target me, they won't target someone else instead, so my goal as bg kinda complete.
Finally, Unjester wincon.

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So anyway, setup seems like this. There's 7 numbers. T means "No Town PR". Other means "Town PR" so aye. Assuming we "HAVE" SK. If this is Vig somehow, good luck with spree lmao.
Just in case, i assume K can't exist because there's only 2 kills.
There IS possibility that Vig holstered or shot already dying person. But i don't care enough.

Spoiler: TTTTT

KPTTTTT

1. MariaR - Vengeful
2. Enchant - Bodyguard
3. CSF - Vanilla Townie
4. Vanilla Townie
5. Vanilla Townie
6. Vanilla Townie
7. Vanilla Townie
8. Vanilla Townie
9. Vanilla Townie
10. Vanilla Townie
11. Mafia Goon
12. Mafia JOAT - Lammolde
13. Serial Killer

Spoiler: TTT

KP??TTT

1. MariaR - Vengeful
2. Enchant - Bodyguard
3. CSF - Vanilla Townie
4. Town PR
5. Town PR
6. Vanilla Townie
7. Vanilla Townie
8. Vanilla Townie
9. Vanilla Townie
10. Mafia Goon
11. Godfather/Mafia Tailor
12. Mafia JOAT - Lammolde
13. Serial Killer

Spoiler: T

KP????T
1. MariaR - Vengeful
2. Enchant - Bodyguard
3. CSF - Vanilla Townie
4. Town PR
5. Town PR
6. Town PR
7. Town PR
8. Vanilla Townie
9. Vanilla Townie
10. Mafia Tailor
11. Godfather
12. Mafia JOAT - Lammolde
13. Serial Killer

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Sorry no paints i am busy now

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Still happy with Pooky vote btbtb

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Pooky is evil bear and everything he does in scumrange

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evil bear stoled my robe

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Let's kill Roden

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So do we assume we don't have other PRs and ignore E-1 claims altogether or

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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So do we assume we don't have other PRs and ignore E-1 claims altogether or

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Ironic and that’s stopped you in the past?? LOLNOPE

Actually yes.

I just think something off.

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yea he survived by pretending not to know what was going on.

It's basically me as every alignment

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stealing this from enchant

VOTE: BBT

You take everything from me.

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From likely to unlikely. I know shit honestly, i bodyguarded Frog again.

1. Overkill on Roden.
2. I got hit while protecting/just that, but healed.
3. Jailkeeper. Just Jailkeeper.
4. SK holstered for some reason.
5. Vig ceased to be psychopath and holstered.
6. Doctor exist but healed someone else and success.
7. Mafia turned peaceful borings and holstered.
8. Mod error.

Pick your favorite.

Would like to vote Pooky now.

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"haha you all dumb i am smart"
*Hammers town*

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I never hammered town

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why you think SK will kill mafia for us btw

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Silly Pooky.


All know that SKs play for killcounts, not wins.

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Ironically all people who accuse me die. And i never think to protect them, because they accuse me.

Kinda pain.

Either way i am surprising i will say it, but.

Pooky can you provide EVIDENCE of sircakez wrongdoings like uh

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How you know this is 5-2-1?

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How you know this is 5-2-1?

theres no setup with 2 total mafia and mafia joat and sk

Read setup again.

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TTTTTT = mafia goon, {mafia JOAT (roleblock, ninja kill, strongman kill) OR mafia roleblocker} OR {godfather OR mafia tailor}**

Mafia Goon is Mafia goon.


Then there's these rolls:

First rolls are Mafia JOAT or Mafia Roleblocker. 50/50.
Then roll is Godfather or Mafia Tailor. 50/50.

AND ONLY THEN WILL ROLL, mafiaJOAT/Roleblocker OR Mafia Godfather/Tailor. One of them. Not both on TTTTTT.


Therefore if we have TTTTTT, setup is Mafia Goon, Mafia JOAT, Serial Killer. 2 groupscum.

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Actually i mistaked. TTTTTT doesh't have Serial Killer. TTTTTT is just Mafia Goon and Mafia JOAT.

TTTTT will have Mafia Goon, Mafia JOAT and Serial Killer.


Yeah, now it's correct.

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There's something i want to say, but i don't want to teach evil roles for now.

I wait end of massclaim, which i approve.

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Malakittens
Gamma Emerald
Frogsterking - Vanilla Townie
PookyTheMagicalBear - Vanilla Townie
SirCakez - Vanilla Townie
Bellaphant
DeasVail - Claims role which blocked N1
Enchant - Bodyguard


Bella, Malakittens, Gamma please claim now.

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I asked, doctor resolves first indeed.

Why would you heal Frog though, if you could heal me and by proxy protect 2 people at once (me AND person i protecting, because i draw kills on self). I literally asked for so.

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Wait for Mala claim.

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I have something to say, pls don't vote anyone (unvote better)

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I writed and saved post. Will post after Mala claim.

Please don't give Mala any ideas at what should be better to claim, before she does. Don't speculate on setup.

And obviously don't end day, even if you REALLY REALLY REALLY sure person is maf.

Mala, claim in next post.

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Spoiler:

So anyway, setup seems like this. There's 7 numbers. T means "No Town PR". Other means "Town PR" so aye. Assuming we "HAVE" SK. If this is Vig somehow, good luck with spree lmao.
Just in case, i assume K can't exist because there's only 2 kills.
There IS possibility that Vig holstered or shot already dying person. But i don't care enough.

Spoiler: TTTTT

KPTTTTT

1. MariaR - Vengeful
2. Enchant - Bodyguard
3. CSF - Vanilla Townie
4. Vanilla Townie
5. Vanilla Townie
6. Vanilla Townie
7. Vanilla Townie
8. Vanilla Townie
9. Vanilla Townie
10. Vanilla Townie
11. Mafia Goon
12. Mafia JOAT - Lammolde
13. Serial Killer

Spoiler: TTT

KP??TTT

1. MariaR - Vengeful
2. Enchant - Bodyguard
3. CSF - Vanilla Townie
4. Town PR
5. Town PR
6. Vanilla Townie
7. Vanilla Townie
8. Vanilla Townie
9. Vanilla Townie
10. Mafia Goon
11. Godfather/Mafia Tailor
12. Mafia JOAT - Lammolde
13. Serial Killer

Spoiler: T

KP????T
1. MariaR - Vengeful
2. Enchant - Bodyguard
3. CSF - Vanilla Townie
4. Town PR
5. Town PR
6. Town PR
7. Town PR
8. Vanilla Townie
9. Vanilla Townie
10. Mafia Tailor
11. Godfather
12. Mafia JOAT - Lammolde
13. Serial Killer

There's exactly two variants of setup at this point.

First:
1. MariaR - Vengeful
2. Enchant - Bodyguard
3. CSF - Vanilla Townie
4. PookyTheMagicalBear - Vanilla Townie
5. Frogsterking - Vanilla Townie
6. Roden - Vanilla Townie
7. Malakittens - Vanilla Townie
8. BBT - Vanilla Townie
9. SirCakez - Vanilla Townie
10. Vanilla Townie
11. Mafia Goon - Deus
12. Mafia JOAT - Lammolde
13. Serial Killer - Gamma Emerald

Yea, in this variant scum got boxed in PR claims and confirmed everyone else.
If it's happened, we should autowin anyway.


Second variant:
1. MariaR - Vengeful
2. Enchant - Bodyguard
3. Gamma Emerald - Doctor
4. DeusVal - Bodyguard
5. CSF - Vanilla Townie
6. Roden - Vanilla Townie
7. BBT - Vanilla Townie
8. Vanilla Townie
9. Vanilla Townie
10. Mafia Goon
11. Godfather/Mafia Tailor
12. Mafia JOAT - Lammolde
13. Serial Killer

In this variant, all PRs are truthful and scum hides in VT claims.
5 VTs, and 3 of them are scum. Yeah, kinda sucks.


TL/DR - Either both Gamma and Deus town (then all scum in VTs claims) OR they both are not.

If they are town, SK is Strongman and that's reason kill ignored Deus protection and we need to hunt him down, otherwise he just laughs on our protection.


How to kill SK? Idk. But circular protection is not option if we not do, and it's better to spread otherwise (mafia will not stupidattack on circular if it fails anyway and we can't stop SK).


If we kill SK today, mafia will most likely concede, as it's like 1% percent win for them. So we need to do so. Somehow.

1/5 for instawin, eh?

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I mean fuck these tags, i want to sleep

It's probably was public knowledge anyway

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5 town alive.
2 mafia alive.
1 SK alive.

We elim town > mafia shot outside, SK kills protective. Most likely result: 2 conftown, 2 mafia, 1 SK. Situation is pretty sad.
We elim mafia > mafia shot outside, SK kills protective. Most likely result: 3 town (2 conf), 1 mafia, 1 SK. Winnable potentially, but can still be fucked up.
We elim SK > mafia shot outside and can't kill Doctor+BG pair. Win in most situations, expect totally incompetence.

Not assuming mafia can try to kill BG (but doctor can stop them hopefully) or mafia shoting SK. Then situation will change (for better or worse).

Just in a case i don't really care, if you WANT to go for long possible win, then fine?


Btw

message for SK

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Spoiler: for SK (don't read if you are not but you will do it anyway

Killing Doctor is same thing for you as killing BG, it removes conftown. You are ignoring all protections and can't be stopped.

But consider this: You are in pool of 5 players, 2 of them are mafia. If mafia wants to kill you, they very likely to deduce you and at worst it's 1/3 chance for them. And they will likely to want to kill you, if they believe you are killing Doctor this night, so there's no one disrupting them from shitfight with town (which they can win actually if doctor removed and you are dead, not otherwise).
If we somehow elim town, then killing Doctor is worst decision you can make here, as it's spells doom on you (1/2 chance to kill you for mafia so they can miselim remaining town and win). Alive doctor in other situations will mostly make your life just more comfortable, as mafia will be reluctant to touch you. Simple existance of this message protects you from their anger, yeah. So there's really no point in losing this advantage.

As long as Doctor alive, you are keyfigure mafia will not want to lose and will protect. If Doctor perish or believed to die at night, mostly mafia will want to remove you ASAP or throw you under bus. You have no harm from doctor being alive. Mafia do.

I propose this (regardless of how elim wents):
I bodyguard Gamma.
Deus bodyguard Gamma.
Gamma protects Me OR Deus with 50%/50% chance, so if mafia decides to shot at BGs, they will never be sure. Blocking hit will be gradual help.

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no

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Math can't help if mafia decides just to let SK win for being solo role.

Going in situation where scum controls who win is losing at first place, and you can't math cockroaches in head.

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It was already figured out, read my iso

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Yeah, one possibility why DV failed to protect MariaR, because of SK-Strongman. Yes he believed to be blocked because of that.

Other: You and DV are evil. Selfexplaining.

Also there's no groupscum if you both are evil, one SK, one Mafia


Either way, if you are not evil, then you need to sort which of VT claims (Pooky, SirCakez, Malakittens, Frogsterking, Bellaphant) are fake. There must be 3 scum out of 5 ppl. It's preferably to kill SK though.

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I don't quite think that's the case either. I'd just like it if DV came and responded and we made sure that there's no other PRs

Why the fuck

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I prefer to ignore MathBlade insights from this point.

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Sweet and if I am wrong y’all are gonna be without me anyway

Please I doc Enchant, enchant BG dv, dv bg me if I am right.

No.

If SK is not elimed, then go this route:

I will BG Math
DV shall BG Math.
Math should protect one of us with 50% chance to dissuade mafia from targeting. Go dice roll.

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VOTE: SirCakez

Let's see

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protecting SK as style of life