Open 860 | Elected Decisions | Postgame

[KittyTacky]

KittyTacky is about to ruin another game!

Anyways, I missed the game start. And I played with half of this role list before, but most of you are new to me and I'm hoping it will be nice getting to know yall.

[KittyTacky]

Vengeful
One-Shot Vigilante
Two-Shot PGO
Ascetic
Bulletproof
One-Shot Watcher
Doctor
Roleblocker
Neighborizer
Voyeur
Jailkeeper
Tracker

If you had choice which one you would pick?

One-Shot Watcher or One-Shot Vigilante.

[KittyTacky]

Taly seems town to me.

HEAL: Taly for Role

[KittyTacky]

I really hope Andante understand this mech because I’m thoroughly confused by it.

It's simple.

You pick a player to give a random role, and at the same time you pick a player to eliminate OR flip without killing.

[KittyTacky]

Considering that several players were all trying to understand the mechanics especially early in this thread, your injection of multiple thought processes that

Galron

didn't convey is aggressive.

And I agree with

Galron

, why doesn't your vote align with your words?

What's with bolding their name?

[KittyTacky]

Taly seems town to me.

HEAL: Taly for Role

Can you elaborate on this read Kitty, as well as sheep my read on Roden please?

It's a tonal read. And sure lol, you seem townie too.

[KittyTacky]

Taly seems town to me.

HEAL: Taly for Role

Can you elaborate on this read Kitty, as well as sheep my read on Roden please?

It's a tonal read. And sure lol, you seem townie too.

Lol I know it's not easy to elaborate on tonal reads but can you point out at least one thing specific?

Their first few posts don't really seem like they would be made by mafia. Quite a lot of bravado.

[KittyTacky]

VOTE: DIVULGE

[KittyTacky]

I don’t. I want to divulge and give the pr to the next highest townread, not the person who is getting their alignment flipped. So scum has to pick if they eliminate the pr or the conf town. That way town is nearly guaranteed to be met positive by day end.

I only brought it up because we could technically play this setup as mountainous without flips, not that I want to.

Yeah, this was my reasoning for divulge too.

[KittyTacky]

HIS

Why is everyone making that slip up...

[KittyTacky]

To me Kitty lacking depths in reads is scum indicative and it’s probably not something galron!scum draws attention to if they are partners with kitty.

You never played with town me. I'm always bad at explaining reads, because I kinda suck at this game.

[KittyTacky]

HIS

Why is everyone making that slip up...

You should change it in your control panel to show your preference.

It actually got reset during the pronoun rework, will fix. I'm just wondering why people default to female for me.

[KittyTacky]

I meant frog!scum not Galron!scum but the quote is still being taken out of context and it’s by multiple slots so I may not be explaining well.

I think Kitty throwing reads out without depth is typical of their scum game so they would be an ideal candidate to learn the alignment of. With that in mind I don’t think I’m the hypothetical world where kitty is scum, that frogster would be pressuring a partner (kitty) into expanding those reads the way that they are. So I am positing that I DO NOT think they are scum together. But I have suspicions about each individually.

I'm fine with being divulged so my admittedly poor play doesn't become a distraction to town.

[KittyTacky]

Like I know I'm town so it's not ideal but I wouldn't complain.

[KittyTacky]

HIS

Why is everyone making that slip up...

You should change it in your control panel to show your preference.

It actually got reset during the pronoun rework, will fix. I'm just wondering why people default to female for me.

If I were to guess it'd be that "Kitty" is used as a female name/nickname sometimes, and has developed a feminine connotation as a result

Fair enough. English is not my first language.

[KittyTacky]

KittyTacky do you have any scum reads?

You are my only concrete scumread, now that I think about it. I usually take a little while to start making lots of reads.

VOTE: Divulge Galron

[KittyTacky]

KittyTacky do you have any scum reads?

You are my only concrete scumread, now that I think about it. I usually take a little while to start making lots of reads.

VOTE: Divulge Galron

I didn’t like Galron voting self-divulge. Saying feel free to divulge me reads +town but actually self-divulging when no one is even voting you or maybe only one other slot - seems a bit over the top to me. In any case, Galron told me to “blow him up” in NEP game, correctly calculating I would obviously be hesitant to do so. That shit only works once on me.

~N

Yeah, outright asking to be divulged could be a mafia WIFOM play. The more I think about it, the more likely he's scum.

[KittyTacky]

Choices are hard.

... Not really hard, i just hope someone else chooses for me and i plainly jump in... Or say how sucking its. Depends.

Consider me in bad player jail for now.

I have a feeling maybe divulge someone from Frog/Roden is best course of action.

Mood. I often find myself sheeping when I can't choose someone to town/scum case myself.

[KittyTacky]

Whatever, I'm clearly not wanted here, and I doubt Bella ever answers my questions. Have fun, Nancy will likely be around whenever, yall clearly like Nancy more than me, so have fun!

-Andante

Well shit.

[KittyTacky]

Nancy vs Bella smells TvT-y.

[KittyTacky]

If Galron is scum, we get a guaranteed scum hang tomorrow (or kill on scum this night if the random PR is vig).

If Galron is town, scum is forced to kill what used to be a fairly suspicious slot or let a confirmed townie live.

[KittyTacky]

I see a Galron wagon as a win/win.

[KittyTacky]

VOTE: Kitty

I’m maybe getting Shad’s game vibes, where Kitty pocketed me and pushed NM.

I'm town.

[KittyTacky]

I see a Galron wagon as a win/win.

Do you think scum!Galron would want to divulge Greeting who is pushing him?

~N

What do you think of Kitty not responding to this?

He also didn’t respond to my other question either.

~N

I didn't respond because I missed those questions.

I see a Galron wagon as a win/win.

Do you think scum!Galron would want to divulge Greeting who is pushing him?

~N

Not sure of that, but scum can do that push for cred and divert the wagon if it becomes disadvantageous.

If Galron is scum, we get a guaranteed scum hang tomorrow (or kill on scum this night if the random PR is vig).

If Galron is town, scum is forced to kill what used to be a fairly suspicious slot or let a confirmed townie live.

See, I don’t like this, because Kitty’s still healing Taly not me.

Because I don’t believe for one second that Kitty thinks town!Galron ever dies over us.

~N

1. I forgor to switch my heal vote.
2. Why not?
HEAL: Fun Times

[KittyTacky]

Yea I don't know. What do you think about it?

It makes me think of OMB where he was frozen scum.

Of course if he answers my my questions satisfactorily like Bella, I’ll obviously reacess but if Bella had just responded, “I’m town” and made no attempt to try to respond to any of mine or Andante’s questions, I’d still be voting her. And she was feeling ill att and she still tried to answer.

And considering Kitty has a tvt read on both of us, why not heal an active tr over a slot that hasn’t been active for more than 48 hrs?

My point being, if Kitty cared so much about voting divulge, why doesn’t he care more about heal?

I very much doubt that if Taly doesn’t start active posting very soon, they’re extremely likely to be the heal, do you?

~N

What do you mean TvT, I think Galron is likely scum.

[KittyTacky]

VOTE: Divulge Galron

I keep going back and forth between preferring Greeting or Galron here. Settling on Galron because he's not V/LA and I think Kitty's right about it mostly being a win/win.

Though I also don't care much for Kitty just going "I'm Town" and dipping after being voted...

What the fuck would I say other than that? I'm VT like everyone else. My townread on FT didn't diminish due to the vote so I didn't push them.

[KittyTacky]

KittyTacky do you have any scum reads?

You are my only concrete scumread, now that I think about it. I usually take a little while to start making lots of reads.

VOTE: Divulge Galron

I didn’t like Galron voting self-divulge. Saying feel free to divulge me reads +town but actually self-divulging when no one is even voting you or maybe only one other slot - seems a bit over the top to me. In any case, Galron told me to “blow him up” in NEP game, correctly calculating I would obviously be hesitant to do so. That shit only works once on me.

~N

Yeah, outright asking to be divulged could be a mafia WIFOM play. The more I think about it, the more likely he's scum.

I meant frog!scum not Galron!scum but the quote is still being taken out of context and it’s by multiple slots so I may not be explaining well.

I think Kitty throwing reads out without depth is typical of their scum game so they would be an ideal candidate to learn the alignment of. With that in mind I don’t think I’m the hypothetical world where kitty is scum, that frogster would be pressuring a partner (kitty) into expanding those reads the way that they are. So I am positing that I DO NOT think they are scum together. But I have suspicions about each individually.

I'm fine with being divulged so my admittedly poor play doesn't become a distraction to town.

Like I know I'm town so it's not ideal but I wouldn't complain.

Boy does that sure look interesting.

I'm back with a clear head, decided to ISO Kitty since that's where a lot of my thoughts kept returning, and... This struck me.

VOTE: Divulge KittyTacky
This will probably be my final divulgence vote for today, so moving on to heals...

Look at my meta, mate.

I'm fine with being divulged. But keep in mind that I am

always

a day miller as town. English is not my first language and I have Asperger's so I am tonally weird.

[KittyTacky]

Because I’m a universal tr and am actively solving.
~N

Revealed town Galron would also be an universal TR. That's assuming he's town which I doubt.

[KittyTacky]

Yea I don't know. What do you think about it?

It makes me think of OMB where he was frozen scum.

Of course if he answers my my questions satisfactorily like Bella, I’ll obviously reacess but if Bella had just responded, “I’m town” and made no attempt to try to respond to any of mine or Andante’s questions, I’d still be voting her. And she was feeling ill att and she still tried to answer.

And considering Kitty has a tvt read on both of us, why not heal an active tr over a slot that hasn’t been active for more than 48 hrs?

My point being, if Kitty cared so much about voting divulge, why doesn’t he care more about heal?

I very much doubt that if Taly doesn’t start active posting very soon, they’re extremely likely to be the heal, do you?

~N

What do you mean TvT, I think Galron is likely scum.

Nancy vs Bella smells TvT-y.

You said Bella and us were tvt.

~N

I misunderstood that, sorry.

[KittyTacky]

VOTE: Divulge Galron

I keep going back and forth between preferring Greeting or Galron here. Settling on Galron because he's not V/LA and I think Kitty's right about it mostly being a win/win.

Though I also don't care much for Kitty just going "I'm Town" and dipping after being voted...

What the fuck would I say other than that? I'm VT like everyone else. My townread on FT didn't diminish due to the vote so I didn't push them.

?????

I totally do not understand this response. Everyone is obviously not vt but they are vanilla.

~N

Well I wouldn't claim mafia would I? I meant that I couldn't say anything other than "I'm town" because I am not a PR so I can't claim.

[KittyTacky]

Also, why do you think Galron is voting Greeting > you?

To not come across as OMGUSing I guess?

[KittyTacky]

Was that hammer?

Well I'm town. Told you guys. You pushed me because I pocketed you as mafia and I was playing like this but I play weird as any alignment. Being a VI is NAI for me. At least I'm out of the way tomorrow. Get Galron tomorrow!

[KittyTacky]

Because i don't believe.

Why tell that you are town. If it's revealed anyway.

Because it's not revealed instantly.

What is this town...

[KittyTacky]

Hi, chill possibly reformed town here. I still have a bit of PTSD from the warzone I used to play in, but I try.
Also, I‘m a horse and read nothing yet

If you're comfortable with that... what was so terrible about your old site?

Can I hammer?

My name is actually Galron, and you should

Code: Select all

[vote]Galron[/vote]

instead.

[KittyTacky]

I activate my Vote Redirector role to switch all votes to Galron.

[KittyTacky]

The mod did not PM me that the day started, thankfully I didn't miss more than one page. Anyways, told you I'm town and this is my meta. Call me a VI or whatever, I just play weird.
HEAL: KittyTacky

[KittyTacky]

I like being confirmed town though.

[KittyTacky]

Actually yeah.
HEAL: Unvote

Drop your votes from me.

I'll collate a reads list later today.

[KittyTacky]

If you're town, don't heal me. Unvote and heal someone else.

[KittyTacky]

If you're town, don't heal me. Unvote and heal someone else.

Who you want to have PR

Frogster or RCE.
HEAL: Frogsterking

[KittyTacky]

If you're town, don't heal me. Unvote and heal someone else.

Explain please.

If I get a PR, then scum can kill both effectively an IC and another PR at once. If someone else does, scum has to choose between killing the IC and the PR.

EVERYONE UNHEAL ME!

[KittyTacky]

I don't think we should gamble on me getting BP or PGO. It's an 1/6 chance.

[KittyTacky]

Unheal meeeeeeeee.

[KittyTacky]

Sheeping Roden.
VOTE: Divulge
VOTE: Greeting

[KittyTacky]

If I get a PR, then scum can kill both effectively an IC and another PR at once. If someone else does, scum has to choose between killing the IC and the PR.

But, we prevent scum from getting the PR and we either gain a new IC or out scum.

That's why we give the PR to the second-towniest person so there's a lower chance of giving it to scum.

[KittyTacky]

Stlll an unknown vs. a known

Yes but if the unknown has a higher probability of being town than scum, it's more than a 50% probability of a better outcome. So give the PR to the second-towniest person. The benefits outweigh the risks.

And honestly I think your constant illogical pushing for this, combined with personal attacks, is scummy.

[KittyTacky]

VOTE: PenguinPower

[KittyTacky]

I'll be busy this evening so I can't write a reads list, tomorrow morning then.

[KittyTacky]

Stlll an unknown vs. a known

Yes but if the unknown has a higher probability of being town than scum, it's more than a 50% probability of a better outcome. So give the PR to the second-towniest person. The benefits outweigh the risks.

And honestly I think your constant illogical pushing for this, combined with personal attacks, is scummy.

i literally laid out all of the options and said i was more open to healing someone else than I was before but sure, i'm the illogical one who isn't reading the game

There are way more townies than scum, so your probabilities are flawed.

[KittyTacky]

Yeah, I've thought it through, and I'm pretty sure Kitty needs the PR here.

Risking a Scum PR is just too dangerous, as while Vengeful/Vig are the only IMMEDIATELY useful ones, others such as PGO/Roleblocker/JK, can interfere with other PRs, and even if we do hit Town, scum not killing them is going to create paranoia and we'll probably end up divulging them anyway to be safe.

As compared to basically having no PR at all? I think the risk is low enough.

I refuse to self-heal and I will die on this hill. Heal someone else.

[KittyTacky]

Stlll an unknown vs. a known

Yes but if the unknown has a higher probability of being town than scum, it's more than a 50% probability of a better outcome. So give the PR to the second-towniest person. The benefits outweigh the risks.

And honestly I think your constant illogical pushing for this, combined with personal attacks, is scummy.

Thank you. I wish mafia was a simple probability game but at least you tried the hardest.

In this case this decision is a probability game,

as your own analysis tried to show

.

[KittyTacky]

Stlll an unknown vs. a known

Yes but if the unknown has a higher probability of being town than scum, it's more than a 50% probability of a better outcome. So give the PR to the second-towniest person. The benefits outweigh the risks.

And honestly I think your constant illogical pushing for this, combined with personal attacks, is scummy.

Thank you. I wish mafia was a simple probability game but at least you tried the hardest.

In this case this decision is a probability game,

as your own analysis tried to show

.

1. I was laying out all of the options...if I was going off pure porobability I would have fully convinced myself and recanted.
2. If we were playing in a vaccum, then yeah, let's go purely off probability. But, and I cannot be more clear about this...this is a social deduction game where MANIPULATION of others is paramount. So sure, there's a 70% chance to hit town with a PR in a vaccum, but that "second towniest person" may very well be scum because THEY ARE GOOD AT MANIPULATING OTHERS.

Remember how we all thought you were superscummy?

Bruh.

Scum generally isn't that good at manipulating people as to make the risk of someone who seems very townie being scum relevant.

Now you're ignoring probability and instead do this wishy-washy "but what if the second-towniest person is scum" spiel.

Town on PP.

HEAL: Enchant sheeping Frogster.

[KittyTacky]

I was superscummy because I am simply bad at looking town. I'm decent at reasoning, or so I think, but I'm always a day miller.

[KittyTacky]

I was lowkey hoping to be divulged so I could not be a distraction to the town.

[KittyTacky]

HEAL: Enchant

I HAVE THE POWER.


... We still need to decide who to divulge though.

I'd divulge PP or Galron. I'm fine choosing between either of those and will go with the flow. Greeting too maybe.

And yeah this setup is weird and new to me.

[KittyTacky]

Kitty it's probably new.

But you need to dictate flow. Not follow them.

Well the general opinion seems to agree with me. Not enough people pushing PP, but I can take that.

[KittyTacky]

VOTE: Galron

[KittyTacky]

I was busy today, will post thoughts on the day so far and a reads list tomorrow. For real this time.

[KittyTacky]

One more to hammer I think

You know what, I'm fine with this too.

Intent to hammer, anyone have anything to say?

[KittyTacky]

NVM I misread as Greeting, carry on.

Galron, self-hammer. It's not anti-town here.

[KittyTacky]

I will if you want but I don't think I'm at e1

NVM you're at E-2 yeah.

[KittyTacky]

No one's at E-1.

What's the case on Galron?

I don't think there is one? People seem to be responding to tone rather than anything scumny.

Mostly terrible tone.

[KittyTacky]

I'm finding this game really hard to read players in, TBH.

[KittyTacky]

I'm finding this game really hard to read players in, TBH.

CONFIRMED TOWN

KittyTacky

PROBABLY TOWN

Enchant
Frogsterking
RCEnigma

NEUTRAL

Roden
Radical Rat
Bellaphant
Vivax

PROBABLY SCUM

Galron
Greeting
PenguinPower

[KittyTacky]

not really ordered within tiers.

[KittyTacky]

Such an important, skilled, and obviously town player, how will we win without him?

VOTE: Depart
VOTE: Galron

Cha cha real smooth.

[KittyTacky]

I think we should keep discussion to a minimum to not give mafia info, just decide on a PR and then turbolim Galron.

[KittyTacky]

Such an important, skilled, and obviously town player, how will we win without him?

VOTE: Depart
VOTE: Galron

Cha cha real smooth.

Why you vote Galron, if GREETING revealed as mafia.

I'm dumb and mixed the names up when typing. I did mean Greeting.
VOTE: Greeting.

Greeting before departing is usually etiquette

Hi NM.

[KittyTacky]

HEAL: Not_Mafia

NM's slot was townie to me.

[KittyTacky]

Yes he's a troll but he only acts weird at day, he's good at nightplay.

[KittyTacky]

He replaced Frogster, he literally wasn't in the game until this day.

[KittyTacky]

Exactly my point.

[KittyTacky]

IMPORTANT MESSAGE

Just in a case, i stopped kill. Kitty was shot last night. Or mafia noactioned i don't care, either way.

Healing Kitty is now viable and most senseble target, because he is very unlikely to die.


If i am Doctor, i will heal Kitty.
If i am Jailkeeper, i will Jailkeep someone else, to let Kitty use ability.

So it's baseline 50/50 to kill Kitty (not included chance to jail mafia killer), while almost always viable to simple shot me for almost quarantee success.
Either way, mafia will most likely try shot me, so there's instructions how Kitty should act next night. I believe Kitty knows how to fakeclaim.

Use DICE rolls for even more annoyance.

Vengeful/Ascetic - They useless for you. Consider fakeclaiming.
One-Shot Vigilante - On your decision. If you didn't kill for some reason, consider fakeclaiming before you do.
Two-Shot PGO - Don't activate it. Mafia probably won't risk attacking you at any case. You risk killing me if i am Doctor. Consider fakeclaiming.
Bulletproof - Claim Bulletproof, ask giving all PRs to you. You are unkillable, mafia can't do shit. Try to not fall for any plans which about giving PRs to someone else: You are multitasking and there's nothing which can do harm to you, as long as all power in your hands.
One-Shot Watcher - Watch Me! Really, there's no better target. If mafia targets you/someone else, they risk highly.
Doctor - Heal me. If we both alive next day, claim Protective. I will then clarify claim, so we know if it's worth protecting each other.
Roleblocker - Try to RB someone who kills. If there's no kill, claim so i clarify my role and tell you target. Then we discover who killing mafia most likely. Otherwise consider fakeclaiming.
Neighborizer - ... I would recommend to not use it at all or use it on future person you want give PR (so you can coordinate). Fakeclaim something.
Voyeur - Consider fakeclaiming.
Jailkeeper - Jail me. If we both alive next day, claim Protective. I will then clarify claim, so we know if it's worth protecting each other.
Tracker - Track someone. Consider fakeclaiming before you get guilty. Can afford.


If you don't understand something, ask.
Now HEAL: Kitty. There's no reason to not do so.

OK yeah this changes everything. Heal me.
HEAL: KittyTacky

[KittyTacky]

IMPORTANT MESSAGE

Just in a case, i stopped kill. Kitty was shot last night. Or mafia noactioned i don't care, either way.

Healing Kitty is now viable and most senseble target, because he is very unlikely to die.


If i am Doctor, i will heal Kitty.
If i am Jailkeeper, i will Jailkeep someone else, to let Kitty use ability.

So it's baseline 50/50 to kill Kitty (not included chance to jail mafia killer), while almost always viable to simple shot me for almost quarantee success.
Either way, mafia will most likely try shot me, so there's instructions how Kitty should act next night. I believe Kitty knows how to fakeclaim.

Use DICE rolls for even more annoyance.

Vengeful/Ascetic - They useless for you. Consider fakeclaiming.
One-Shot Vigilante - On your decision. If you didn't kill for some reason, consider fakeclaiming before you do.
Two-Shot PGO - Don't activate it. Mafia probably won't risk attacking you at any case. You risk killing me if i am Doctor. Consider fakeclaiming.
Bulletproof - Claim Bulletproof, ask giving all PRs to you. You are unkillable, mafia can't do shit. Try to not fall for any plans which about giving PRs to someone else: You are multitasking and there's nothing which can do harm to you, as long as all power in your hands.
One-Shot Watcher - Watch Me! Really, there's no better target. If mafia targets you/someone else, they risk highly.
Doctor - Heal me. If we both alive next day, claim Protective. I will then clarify claim, so we know if it's worth protecting each other.
Roleblocker - Try to RB someone who kills. If there's no kill, claim so i clarify my role and tell you target. Then we discover who killing mafia most likely. Otherwise consider fakeclaiming.
Neighborizer - ... I would recommend to not use it at all or use it on future person you want give PR (so you can coordinate). Fakeclaim something.
Voyeur - Consider fakeclaiming.
Jailkeeper - Jail me. If we both alive next day, claim Protective. I will then clarify claim, so we know if it's worth protecting each other.
Tracker - Track someone. Consider fakeclaiming before you get guilty. Can afford.


If you don't understand something, ask.
Now HEAL: Kitty. There's no reason to not do so.

I'd rather give it to RCEnigma or Roden.

Your post is mighty pushy here

It's pushy because it's the right play.

[KittyTacky]

Before we do anything, KittyTacky, do you have results worth sharing?

Don't claim yet if you don't though

Nope.

[KittyTacky]

VOTE: Divulge
VOTE: Galron

Why Galron today?

You know, I was going to push this, but the VCA clears him I think.

VOTE: Divulge

VOTE: Not_Mafia

HEAL: Roden

NM's slot (Frogsterking) is pretty solidly town, I oppose and veto this wagon. This isn't like most situations involving NM. When NM replaces someone, you can just read the old slot.

[KittyTacky]

I don't really see RCE scum.

[KittyTacky]

I don't really see RCE scum.

So what

do

you want to do?

Divulge someone other than RCE.

[KittyTacky]

Bella is town I think.

VOTE: Divulge
VOTE: Vivax

[KittyTacky]

Nope.

[KittyTacky]

Yeah I can vouch for Roden town. I think NM town too.

[KittyTacky]

VOTE: Depart
VOTE: Malcolm

[KittyTacky]

I'm kinda confused on what to do anymore TBH.

[KittyTacky]

Yeah I'm going to die now with the doc dead.
HEAL: Galron

[KittyTacky]

Y'know, I hadn't actually considered that and probably should have.

Is it worth partial claiming here? Because we don't know for certain that either Kitty or you doesn't have PGO right now, and it's important that we continue to not know that. We also don't know whether you're a Doctor or not. If you ARE a Doctor, I'd say we just give you the second PR and hope for the best. If you AREN'T a Doctor, we give it to Kitty and also hope for the best.

But also that involves telling scum whether a Doctor currently exists... no matter what there COULD be a Doctor in play tonight, so scum has to account for that, but the decision gets easier if scum knows who a Doctor is, if any.

I'm not a doctor or I'd have protected Enchant obviously. Not claiming other than that.

[KittyTacky]

Bella. -_-

There was a discussion going on. You knew what was going to happen when N_M asked you to vote someone at H-2. Jesus.

[KittyTacky]

GGWP.

[KittyTacky]

I thought we'd have won but oh well.

[KittyTacky]

Honestly I was confused about what to do with the game. I felt super detached from it due to being busy IRL and I sheeped whoever said to depart.