Open 853 - PYP X/Y S_S [game over!]

[Bellaphant]

VOTE: ari

I hate numbers

[Bellaphant]

From the chart, it seems like it doesn't seem to matter massively on what numbers/powers specifically the scum team chose (even when scum only has one not blocked, it doesn't seem to massively affect win rate. Town have. Also seemed to win when a lot of numbers cancell out, but that info isn't great without knowing who submitted what choice and knocked each other out first.

I'm not really sure of the point of Ari's numbers question. I guess you can vaguely say 1,2 and 6 are 'scummy' numbers but it mainly feels like noise generation.

[Bellaphant]

It looks like busy work. I hate set up spec at the best of times, it literally gives me anxiety.

But, 1, 7,8.

[Bellaphant]

If they coordinate picks, then I see no reason why one large number on its own and two small is really worse, considering overlaps and blocking later. Like ...I don't think all three scum picked a big number but I'm not clearing anyone from that pile just based on a number

[Bellaphant]

I had to double check I'd not written one of ausuka's posts. Them, delete and probably gamma are on my no elim pile for today.

[Bellaphant]

im excited to move on from this numbers discussion. i can't get a decent reads out of it

This is why I called it busy work. Honestly I'm townread ing delete, I mean dweelee, just for replying with repeated numbers

[Bellaphant]

I'm voting ari because this is a really pointless way to generate content that looks towny on the face of it and now people are contributing stuff, me included, that is totally nai about something that is nai.

[Bellaphant]

I thought it was funny. I was massively anti the numbers discussion, every time I've come back to post here it doesn't seem to have died, and for dwelee to block themselves with their own pick seemed exactly the tonal response I wanted to give. It's also a bit cheeky, and I don't think scum draw attention to themselves with it.

Unless dweelee had more wifom reasons to block themselves, and then I'm just disappointed

[Bellaphant]

@gamma, for now, yes.

I am disappointed by dweelee's post about enchant suggesting they care more about numbers, so maybe I'm wrong.

pronoun correction. ~D

[Bellaphant]

Same, I'm sorry.

[Bellaphant]

@titus, why does the data suggest implo? They are one of my few town reads.

[Bellaphant]

@dweelee, was I right about your Intention?

[Bellaphant]

Were you messing around in your numbers answer? If yes, how does that impact your push on enchant?

@dweelee

[Bellaphant]

@titus, why does the data suggest implo? They are one of my few town reads.

His vote would likely be the vote HEM wouldn't want to join bc overload. Not as strong there.

Explain like I'm five?

[Bellaphant]

UNVOTE:

I actually got content and reads from Ari/math, that wasn't just about mechanics and maths!

About a million pages ago someone asked if I thought klicks answer about numbers was towny: yes, for the same reasons as I did dweelee's. Also, this is town!math, this is exactly the mech based moon logic they used in team mafia where they were wrong and wedded to set up ideas that looked scummy.

Implosion's 863 is skeevy af. Town read gone.

I think Titus could be town.

I'm not loving Roden. People have mentioned they are capable of deep wolfing but im not seeing much at all.

The thread seems to think I should have a lot more opinions about hem than I do.

I'm quiet because this game seems quite mech/set up spec heavy at the moment and I suck at it.

[Bellaphant]

Hey @harley quin, where's your head at?

[Bellaphant]

I think Ari's leading theory of HEM/Enchant/Math is very solid, in the sense that it's almost certainly not perfectly correct (because calling the scumteam at this point is atrociously unlikely) but that I think it's got great odds of going 2 for 3 and I like the fact that someone with a lot of sway in the gamestate is pushing it.

I don't know how I feel about Mathblade's alignment right now; I think probably in practice there's a good chance he'll never do anything that I will be able to confidently glean a read from.

I essentially have a sort of backlog of people that I want to make sure see some amount of centrality in the game at some point, because they haven't been in the thick of things enough. Of course still Dwlee, as well as Bella and Roden and probably Harley as well. Not even gonna put Enchant on the list because I'm fully convinced Enchant is not going to play this game.

@harley: I have no read on hem (but his wagon is stacked with my town reads), enchant seems to be basically a policy elim and math is town. So, I hate this team and also, who's this confident on a team on day one? They even acknowledge this, and then immediately after say they are probably right about 2/3, which feels like weird double speak in the same sentence.

They then Scapegoat out if reading math, even though math is in their 'team'. They do similar with enchant. I don't believe they believe what they are saying even throughout the post.

[Bellaphant]

Wagon isn't stacked!

[Bellaphant]

I felt like enchant seemed mainly for policy almost, bases on the convo Ari had with math: if it's something else then can you explain?

I I said elsewhere I should have more thoughts on hem but I can't get anything solid on them. If I looked at his wagon I didn't town read most of the people on it.

I also hate "teams", especially day one. Ithis may be a play style thing. What I was more worried about was your positioning: you seemed to be saying it was reasonable and unreasonable and then reasonable again in the same breath?

[Bellaphant]

That all makes a lot more sense - just bullet points on hem would be great at some point. Like, I know there's been a lot of content but I got very little out of reading their back and forth with Ari, whereas Ari's back and forth with math I felt they were both town.

I'm town reading a lot of the more 'active' slots, which I know isn't great.

If the wagon on hem is maybe pointles, as they aren't here, is there anyone else you'd like to wagon? I know enchant, and I think too many people are engaging with math as town for math.

[Bellaphant]

(tbf I hadn't actually checked enchants iso. Oh dear)

[Bellaphant]

My elim pool is really boring: mala, Roden, maybe gamma, maybe STD, maybe enchant (I get what you are saying now) maybe dweelee. Actually maybe having no feelings about hem is a red flag.

P-edit I assume I'm going to wake up to 20 pages again, so no hurry

[Bellaphant]

Ok, that's interesting that a lot of the thrust of implo's hem case sort of mirrors by thoughts: they've used a lot of words/posts but not actually commited to much in terms of reads/progression. I initially thought the convo between hem and Ari looked better for hen because I disagreed with Ari's number work but since then, Ari has moved on to actual content.

Is there a more recent vc?

Also, someone mentioned my elim pool being bad, which it is, but also implies that all the slots I mentioned had 'pressure' on them, which I don't think is massively true. I also quite strongly don't want to eliminate some of the more 'pressured' slots, like math, or implo.

I am reassured math has me in their scum pool, plus de change, but worried I'm getting a pass from Titus.

[Bellaphant]

Ok, that's interesting that a lot of the thrust of implo's hem case sort of mirrors by thoughts: they've used a lot of words/posts but not actually commited to much in terms of reads/progression. I initially thought the convo between hem and Ari looked better for hen because I disagreed with Ari's number work but since then, Ari has moved on to actual content.

Is there a more recent vc?

Also, someone mentioned my elim pool being bad, which it is, but also implies that all the slots I mentioned had 'pressure' on them, which I don't think is massively true. I also quite strongly don't want to eliminate some of the more 'pressured' slots, like math, or implo.

I am reassured math has me in their scum pool, plus de change, but worried I'm getting a pass from Titus.

[Bellaphant]

Lurking for purpose is pretty boring.

What does that even mean? I lurk if I don’t have anything worthwhile to contribute. If I have a purpose, I will likely say something.

Enchant's claiming to lurk to avoid being shot.

Hang on, so enchant is lurking to not draw nk attention, even though with their picks they will.... automatically draw nk attention??

So basically an excuse to do sweet fanny Adams?

O.o now I understand the policy thing.

[Bellaphant]

@math, what have Roden and the mala slot done to escape your Poe?

[Bellaphant]

Gamma Emerald - I thought they were scummy earlier in day phase but are now null
Harley Quinn - my heart likes this slot but I think it's play style
Aristeia - town. The numbers stuff was bad but again, massively improved
Save The Dragons - null scum. like hem, lots of posts, can not actually tell you what they think about anything
Ausuka - town, but also my heart loves this slot
Roden - null scum

Elephant
Malakittens - aren't here
Enchant - bait
Dwlee99 - ???
implosion - town

humaneatingmonkey- prolly scum
Titus - wary of this slot, could be scum
MathBlade - town

this feels like where my reads are at rn
I intend to sanity check myself on some of this soon, obv titus + HEM is kinda wack but that bottom area is just the people I find have been the most suspicious

I would color this but I'm a luddite

[Bellaphant]

Hem isn't here, math is probably town, I don't want to read pages of you (or anyone) bickering with math. What are your thoughts outside of those two slots?

[Bellaphant]

Eh, I actually agree with a lot of that. Can you explain why hq is town instead of just....nice?

It's weird, I see a.few people feeling bad about Roden bit not much pressure. Are people just resigned to a hem elim.today?

[Bellaphant]

I’m gonna say Gamma and Roden are now my top trs.

Can you talk to me about Roden?

[Bellaphant]

Math, could you give me like four bullet points/sentences of why I should vote dweelee over hem? Idc about Titus today.

[Bellaphant]

?? Why does hem flipping town mean you are town?

How do you know anyone already voting then cares about not 'proving you town'? Your argument is that for some reason scum aren't not voting hem to end the day because....then you'll be conf town???



I'm voting either dweelee or hem and neither of those flips impact my read on you. In fact the dweelee flip gives me a bit more info


P-edit it's day one, and the slot is vla - that's a lot of my hesitation

[Bellaphant]

its probably because HEM stopped talking and is VLA while you're in the thread spamming really bad arguments

what has hem even done today that is townie again.

what is it like in my head??

If I vote Hem when I believe he is town that will eat me a ban for voting against wincon

It's not playing against a win condition as town to vote for someone that you think is town if you believe that voting for them helps the town win, which it theoretically can for a ton of different reasons. It's "play to win" not "play to never miseliminate as town".

I like this.

[Bellaphant]

@ Roden,.I know you didn't ask me but this is exactly how math played in the team mafia game and they were town.

[Bellaphant]

@titus, why am I town? You tr-ing me is not your town meta (in the neighbour game we just did I literally said I should've known you were scum as you didn't come in and tell me I was awful )

@roden, yes, math's reads were whack in team mafia - we made two particularly sub optimal elims that were partly led by math , but the thing that remind me most was math was ADAMANT that the set up/claimed prs/etc had to be a certain way because they'd obviously been taregtted for a nk at some point. Like, the whole game revolved for two day phases (from maths pov) on him being the nk, in exactly the way he seems adamant about hem - and he never was the nk target.

I could do enchant or dnwelee. Hens response hasn't inspired.

[Bellaphant]

VOTE: hem

Happy to do dweelee or wallflower. Would actually love to do wallflower.

[Bellaphant]

@wallflower, enchant, ausaka, time to move your vote

[Bellaphant]

@titus, when have you actually played with me scum? My memories of our games are us both being town and you freaking out at me. Can you point me to a game where I was scum and you were town.

Also, I haven't had a red role pm in literally years, so ...that answer has me really worried.

[Bellaphant]

@hq, I think math, especially this game, whether town or scum, is an easy elim. I don't think it's right for today. I'll reconsider this read later. Your posting on about math is becoming a little math posting aboout hem like.

I have no opinion on gamma really. Titus I'm concerned about, but their other scum reads reassure me a bit.


Noone seems interested in my scum reads and I don't think will be until we've flipped some or the more controversial slots. We have like a day and a half left and I just want to be done with today.
@titus I've spoken about math a lot. I don't think most people are scum reading him for reasons that I haven't seen them do as town. Also, as a competing wagon to hem who really hasn't shown a want to solve, I'm going to vote hem.

P-edit I just disagree. I'm not saying I can't be convinced, but I've explained why my read is what it is. I haven't ignored it, I've discussed it with Roden.

[Bellaphant]

vote count 1.16

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-06-14 01:30:00).

yeet

MathBlade [5]:

Gamma Emerald, Save The Dragons, Harley Quinn, Titus, Dwlee99

humaneatingmonkey [5]:

implosion, Roden, Aristeia, MathBlade, Bellaphant

Dwlee99 [2]:

Ausuka, humaneatingmonkey

Aristeia [1]:

Enchant

Enchant [1]:

Wallflower

Not Voting [0]:

mod notes

~ humaneatingmonkey v/la wednesday to friday.
~ Gamma Emerald v/la for a week.
~ dual mod iso.
~ this is mod note.

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Lol, gee Math, I thought you and HEM were TYT and now you’re voting him?

I have laid out why Math is 99.9999% going to flip scum but it seems not everyone is reading mine, Gamma’s and Titus’ posts? If I had any doubts, I wouldn’t be saying that I’m 99.9999% sure Math is scum. He will flip scum here and if I was kingmaker, I would see to it that he was flipped today.

vote count 1.16

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-06-14 01:30:00).

yeet

MathBlade [5]:

Gamma Emerald, Save The Dragons, Harley Quinn, Titus, Dwlee99

humaneatingmonkey [5]:

implosion, Roden, Aristeia, MathBlade, Bellaphant

Dwlee99 [2]:

Ausuka, humaneatingmonkey

Aristeia [1]:

Enchant

Enchant [1]:

Wallflower

Not Voting [0]:

mod notes

~ humaneatingmonkey v/la wednesday to friday.
~ Gamma Emerald v/la for a week.
~ dual mod iso.
~ this is mod note.

flavour

Also, look at these wagons, from my pov. Maths wagon is made up of my null, null scum reads and ....you. The hem wagon is made up of basically my town reads. Why is it incomprehensible to you that I'm not jumping on the math wagon, when my own experiences outside of this game, plus my own reads in this game, suggest it's a bad move?

[Bellaphant]

? I am concerned about Titus, as the seem to be playing differently from most times we've played together. This is just a fact.

I town read you. I'm just getting frustrated that you are doing the same thing math is doing - repeatedly asserting you are correct about a thing and getting vexed other people aren't immediately conceding to this. This is literally happening.

@hq their style of posting, especially today, I would forgive most people for voting the slot to allow the thread to breathe.

P-edit, maybe I worded this wrong. I'm specifically talking about this game. I think, if math flips town, any scum could say 'yeah but look at the random shit he was talking' and noone would scum read them for it.

[Bellaphant]

@hq, maybe my sample size with Titus is not great: as town they've been incredibly aggressive, often to me, without a huge deal of provocation, done things like 'slayers' gambit' and faked an inno on scum. My only recent game with Titus they replaced in, didn't hassle my slot and auto speed wagoned as scum. My sample size is small though - it's why titua saying 'bella does X as scum' worried me, as theirs with me is tiny too

After today I should probably look at some of their more recent games. Math, couks you link me to the two of yours you just mentioned? Also, like, I'm not trying to trash talk you when I talk about team mafia.

[Bellaphant]

vote count 1.16

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-06-14 01:30:00).

yeet

MathBlade [5]:

Gamma Emerald, Save The Dragons, Harley Quinn, Titus, Dwlee99

humaneatingmonkey [5]:

implosion, Roden, Aristeia, MathBlade, Bellaphant

Dwlee99 [2]:

Ausuka, humaneatingmonkey

Aristeia [1]:

Enchant

Enchant [1]:

Wallflower

Not Voting [0]:

mod notes

~ humaneatingmonkey v/la wednesday to friday.
~ Gamma Emerald v/la for a week.
~ dual mod iso.
~ this is mod note.

flavour

Lol, gee Math, I thought you and HEM were TYT and now you’re voting him?

I have laid out why Math is 99.9999% going to flip scum but it seems not everyone is reading mine, Gamma’s and Titus’ posts? If I had any doubts, I wouldn’t be saying that I’m 99.9999% sure Math is scum. He will flip scum here and if I was kingmaker, I would see to it that he was flipped today.

vote count 1.16

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-06-14 01:30:00).

yeet

MathBlade [5]:

Gamma Emerald, Save The Dragons, Harley Quinn, Titus, Dwlee99

humaneatingmonkey [5]:

implosion, Roden, Aristeia, MathBlade, Bellaphant

Dwlee99 [2]:

Ausuka, humaneatingmonkey

Aristeia [1]:

Enchant

Enchant [1]:

Wallflower

Not Voting [0]:

mod notes

~ humaneatingmonkey v/la wednesday to friday.
~ Gamma Emerald v/la for a week.
~ dual mod iso.
~ this is mod note.

flavour

Also, look at these wagons, from my pov. Maths wagon is made up of my null, null scum reads and ....you. The hem wagon is made up of basically my town reads. Why is it incomprehensible to you that I'm not jumping on the math wagon, when my own experiences outside of this game, plus my own reads in this game, suggest it's a bad move?

Wallflower is scum with Math.

HEM is L minus 2
Math is L minus 3

Since based off Math associatives, HEM is probably scum, Math wagon is extremely likely to be alltown. Why? Because Math is voting his former top “tr” HEM and HEM isn’t fighting it.

So if HEM flips red, scum is probably on that or offwagon. I think Math wagon is very likely pure. Roden is still town but it’s far better for the gamestate to lim Math first, that’s why scum is willing to sacrifice HEM, if he’s red and very likely.

I was scum in a game with a double scum wagon on d1, which was between my buddies Titus and I believe Ircher and I felt Titus had a much better chance to go the distance than Ircher, so I strategically bussed the weaker of my two buddies.

Possible. I still lean that HEM is town. Regardless, I feel your conclusion is right.

Scum prefer an HEM flip over a math flip

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It’s possible but HEM isn’t fighting it. Math is on HEM wagon for self-pres regardless and he should absolutely not get tr for it irrespective of what HEM flips.

Yep, Math wagon is almost certainly pure, HEM’s is not but if HEM is town than one scum is probably offwagon but I totally agree scum are trying to save Math regardless of HEM’s flip. HEM is either a Math buddy or scum!Math initially tmi’d him town. His not fighting his wagon in light of the developing Math wagon isn’t exactly filling me with confidence however.

I'm frustrated that @hq you haven't addressed my core issue here: I'm saying why would I do this, from my pov of the game and wagons, Ans you come in immediately after with 'the math wagon is pure'. So ...it's really obvious our heads aren't in the same places over more things than math. So why are you and Titus so bothered by my not agreeing with you on this one thing?

As town, especially in back and forths, I try really hard to work out 'can I see what they are seeing, even if it's crazy'. I don't feel like you are doing that at all, just getting vexed that I'm not just ..auto voting math. Which I could easily do as scum or town. I don't get the fuss.

Eh, what about the white flag one people were mentioning, @math, have you a link for that?

[Bellaphant]

That’s not what she said
She said anyone would be able to excuse it later
Like they already excuse it now.

This is basically it yes.

P-edit Titus I'm coming to you X

[Bellaphant]

Bella, question, is the last game you played with me before September 3, 2019?

Apart from the neighborhood game we just did, I don't think so. Tbf my meta with math is smaller! I don't think I've tried to claim in an expert in either. Can you see from why my experience im concerned about you? It sounds like there's been a change though?

[Bellaphant]

I also don't know if hq knows me at all. Im shit at Alts.

[Bellaphant]

@hq, do you know me?

@titus, can I have a recent town Ans scum game? I'm about to read white flag. In sorry if I was rude earlier, but those were my experiences of you. It sounds like you are much happier now, which I was aware of.

[Bellaphant]

Thanks hq

I've read white flag and wow, that doesn't look like this math, I know.

I'm reading the mini normal now that someone mentioned

[Bellaphant]

Maths wagon is made up of my null, null scum reads and ....you.

I don't rlly like this on a personal level

Bellaphant can be easily scum here. They had a borderline TMI townread on me and then nose dived into scumreading and discrediting me for no reason

@gamma, why not?
@dweelee, I liked your answer but you've barely done anything else. Like ...even you said you weren't here.

Also, these seem a weird cluster.

[Bellaphant]

Nope, I wasn't misinterpreting/misremembering at all. I'm right.

Noone seems interested in my scum reads and I don't think will be until we've flipped some or the more controversial slots.

We have like a day and a half left

and I just want to be done with today.

Only explanation is that Bellaphant thought Math's timer was the deadline.

This was also shortly followed by Wallflower implying she thought we were pretty low on time but she had enough time to "sleep on it" so I think she might have misinterpreted it too.

(and no this wasn't intended to be an attack on math, just a clarification...)

Yeah so like I thought a mistake right?

Yes,

bella

made a mistake, and while I was reading I assumed she made this mistake because she saw MathBlade posting a timer in thread with basically no context and assumed that timer was the deadline. Hence, I clarified to her that we have 3 days left.

This is what happened, I made a mistake and has clearly read maths' timer on a VC quoted post somewhere. I should've known it was wrong/linked it to maths' own countdown, that is just a me being bad thing.

[Bellaphant]

I don't think we should elim math at all

I think we need to go back and work out why it took 80+ pages to elim scum - that was our leading eagon for most of the day but blimey it took a fuck ton of work to get it there. Anyone trying to elim math today is just putting us back to yesterday and it just isn't good for town.

My scum pool has t changed massively.

[Bellaphant]

The math wagon is clearly not pure. Why would you want to drag us back to yesterday? Please don't do this to the thread.

[Bellaphant]

At some point there is deffo scum on the hem wagon, but in the later half I think.

Gamma Emerald, Save The Dragons, Harley Quinn, Titus, Dwlee99 - there's a scum in here, probably Titus/dweelee. I think hem was distancing from dweelee and just vote parked. Like, there's one slot in here I have above 'null'

[Bellaphant]

like saying me/hem is s/s after the fight we had d1 is just too moonlogik for me to believe scum!her came up with that

Yeah, that theory’s absurd.

I’m convinced that there’s one scum on his wagon that he set up to look obvtown after he flipped. I have no idea whom yet but find it unlikely he didn’t tell at least one buddy to bus him once he knew he was going down.

In a perfect world, one on math, one on hem and one off

[Bellaphant]

Hey, sorry, that's 'hasnt' - see the rogue t? Yes, we had some good content but I was massively disheartened to see today start with another set of convos that looked like they could just lead to Titus/math blowing up the thread. I also can't believe I signed up for a game this large - I don't play larges because I can't cope with 80 pages: but, also, I feel like there was a lot of consensus that nothing good was coming from the hem slot very early on - we've even mentioned today that Titus buried hem on post 400 and something.

[Bellaphant]

Hi gamma, you keep shading my posts: fancy actually talking to me, asking me questions, giving me anything apart from 'eww'? Coz I can't read you and you clearly can't read me.

[Bellaphant]

@implo, fair. I did start today really negative, I was feeling really good about our progress and then Titus started off with 'i must have been shot!' which gave me team mafia flash backs.

@gamma, I find I read people better when I talk directly to them. You just seen to want to throw rocks at me, which doesn't help communication. Like I said, please ask me questions, etc. Like, how is what I said to Implo even ia - it's really basic, but it's something that I could've said as town or scum and been honest : I missed a 'n' and I prefer smaller games.

[Bellaphant]

@implo, fair. I did start today really negative, I was feeling really good about our progress and then Titus started off with 'i must have been shot!' which gave me team mafia flash backs.

@gamma, I find I read people better when I talk directly to them. You just seen to want to throw rocks at me, which doesn't help communication. Like I said, please ask me questions, etc. Like, how is what I said to Implo even ia - it's really basic, but it's something that I could've said as town or scum and been honest : I missed a 'n' and I prefer smaller games.

[Bellaphant]

Eh, I'd also love to have a chat with dweelee. @dweelee, throw some thoughts at me.

I have struggled with you and std - my reads on you are all over the place, Ive been really up front about that.

I guess it depends how much scum believed the math wagon was actually viable - obviously they'd prefer it over losing one of their own, so I don't think it's massively likely that there were /zero/ scum on it..as I said to Hq, it wouldn't surprise me if it was one on hem (I'm sure there must have been bussing, probably in the later half of the wagon), and one off totally, which also kind of reflects in the way the votes are just spaced. Is this unreasonable?

[Bellaphant]

I did look at you and STD again over night and realised that part of it is you post rapid fire and also very...certain things..I think your biggest post is still under 40 words. Std has some longer posts but I was shocked when I saw their activity was over 100 posts. I think I just find that hard to process

Like, look at this post. It could've been half the words but I'm processing and trying also to exposit a thought process.

[Bellaphant]

That's valid. I think my issue is I have a big chunk of the game as 'town' - math, Roden, hq, Ari, aus, actually you, and then rest of the game is just this '???'. Yesterday I was pretty sure hem was town and math was scum, and my town reads were voting hem and my ???? Were voting math (broadly).

I got quite a few reads through interaction - with you, with hq, with math, and both Ari and aus made a bunch of posts that seemed to mirror my exact thinking at the time. Roden just made one or two posts that seemed 100% town motivated, I can dig them out if you want?

I am also aware that I've also listed players in there that have qualities that I 'like', so an more inclined to town bin, and a common denominator in my '???', apart from Titus, is is a lot more quick, short posters.

My most confident scum read is wallflower.

[Bellaphant]

God, sorry, obviously the other way round - hem scum math town. I clearly can't write today.

[Bellaphant]

I thought Roden was on Titus?

Also, math, hq and enchant havent checked in since you posted your proposal.

P-edit people beat me

@dweelee, what do you think about where scum were on the wagons yesterday?

[Bellaphant]

I think I can almost confirm ausakes claim

[Bellaphant]

Well, same, but that must be because someone above me picked what I picked, right? It's why I wanted hq and enchant to check in before I responded.

[Bellaphant]

I mean it still could've been a scum pick, but I can validate it mechanically

[Bellaphant]

I mean it still could've been a scum pick, but I can validate it mechanically

If you’re VT then if you picked on that row then either Enchant Ausuaka or Harley would be what you picked

Exactly. So I guess it's not an almost, unless hq or enchant counters.

[Bellaphant]

A few people asked, sorry, but yes - I'm vr because I wanted tracker and someone above me got it, which lines up with claims.

[Bellaphant]

I think titus' first idea works?

[Bellaphant]

In Titus' block, I'd be really surprised if Roden was the scum.

[Bellaphant]

I still think wallflower could really easily be scum!

[Bellaphant]

Were still in a good place.

[Bellaphant]

hi i'm here.

does order matter or should i go

Please go now.

[Bellaphant]

hi i'm here.

does order matter or should i go

Please go now.

....that is not what I wanted to post, sorry, fat fingers

[Bellaphant]

What Harley is saying makes Sense, but I think doesn't considers all the variables of what scum might have picked, scums position in the order, etc. Like, noone expects pick one to be Bp

I want wallflower.today for sure.

P-edit I was surprised at how many people picked jk!!

[Bellaphant]

I think we vote out wallflower

+1

My vote is spiritually on them.

[Bellaphant]

I think I'm obviously town but also we could just win tomorrow anyway. But yeah, not me or Titus I guess.

[Bellaphant]

I also think Implo is town, tbf. Out of those vts, STD is definitely my scummiest read but like, I'd just be surprised if it wasn't wall flower/enchant?


Like... wallflower/enchant
STD/gamma/maybe dweelee - idek a bit above null
Everyone else.

[Bellaphant]

VOTE: wallflower

[Bellaphant]

I feel really good about my town play this game. I got frustrated day one because it seemed obvious hem was scum and math was town, And then we started day two having the same chat. I'm really bad at mech stuff but I get a lot of reads through interaction.

Day one I could argue that most people were town apart from mala/wallflower, enchant, and then my null pile. I had/have a huge town pile, that only really needs reassessing if we get today and tonight badly wrong.

There was a weird pile on me start of day two, most of it from my null pile. Like, it's something to go back to.

[Bellaphant]

...oh. I like a lot of that post though.

[Bellaphant]

Titus is definitely on the list of slots to look at again. It was what wallflower said aboth Roden that got me, coz when I go to justify my read my brain gives me 'those two really town posts on day one' which ..isn't great.

[Bellaphant]

I don't think it's dweelee. Like, STD before them for sure.

I could elim enchant fine.

[Bellaphant]

UNVOTE:

[Bellaphant]

VOTE: enchant

[Bellaphant]

Shall I hammer?

[Bellaphant]

I can hammer

[Bellaphant]

If we elim all the vrs we'll be on what, day ten??

[Bellaphant]

See, I told you maths was bad.

[Bellaphant]

I don't think we need to be playing that conservative? We are doing really well.

[Bellaphant]

Fantastic work guys! Well done to Titus for all the mech work in the middle

[Bellaphant]

Is the scum PT going to be opened x

[Bellaphant]

Sorry, thank you. Thanks for such a fun game, I've never done a draft before