Open 853 - PYP X/Y S_S [game over!]

[Gamma Emerald]

Eh, I'd also love to have a chat with dweelee. @dweelee, throw some thoughts at me.

I have struggled with you and std - my reads on you are all over the place, Ive been really up front about that.

I guess it depends how much scum believed the math wagon was actually viable - obviously they'd prefer it over losing one of their own, so I don't think it's massively likely that there were /zero/ scum on it..as I said to Hq, it wouldn't surprise me if it was one on hem (I'm sure there must have been bussing, probably in the later half of the wagon), and one off totally, which also kind of reflects in the way the votes are just spaced. Is this unreasonable?

Tbh I wouldn’t be entitled surprised if it was Wallflower/Enchant who both got on late

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't remember the last time I saw Gamma as scum but the angles he's taken are, idk, in line with how I feel like he'd be playing the game as town. It's the kind of read that I think I don't really feel the need to investigate deeply unless someone else familiar with Gamma sees something they think is scummy, and broadly people townread him, and I also still townread him.

I can’t spot a single game in your egosearch I’ve been scum with or against you in :/

[Gamma Emerald]

Math I think there's a good chance you're town here, but yes you were absolutely very scummy yesterday and a bit at Day start today

if we're not gonna go after math today I wanna look at Wallflower
her vote on HEM looks like it could be a bus vote and she's been absent this day phase so far

[Gamma Emerald]

also does it make sense for Enchant to give us a hypo-cop result?

like hypothetically if he is ascetic cop, his investigation result last night is ____

If I am a cop my check was on Enchant

[Gamma Emerald]

Also i think MATH is town.

So don't vote Math. Thanks.

I am not claiming anything.

Just thinking Math is town

I think unless Wallflower checks in and claims to have JK'd/RB'd Math, then Math and Titus are TvT. I say that because she's the only one left who hasn't checked in. It would make today super easy if she did block the kill, but if not it's looking like someone chose Doctor and saved someone. And in that case the Doc can conftown someone if necessary.

No way town math wouldn't check me.

Except for the numerous other times I haven’t.

putting a pin in this

[Gamma Emerald]

actually I might be open to flipping Enchant today since he cant hide behind his bullshit tunnel on me anymore and he obviously survived the night

I thought his vote on you was just filler until he could hammer

[Gamma Emerald]

titus just thinks she was shot because she thinks she's right

but i know she's wrong so she probly wasn't shot

how do you know she's wrong?

[Gamma Emerald]

titus just thinks she was shot because she thinks she's right

but i know she's wrong so she probly wasn't shot

Gee my third suspect knows I am wrong. What a shock

uhhhh what
The EoD Ari push

wasn't

cover?

[Gamma Emerald]

He can change his mind. He never votes a townread but for like hammer to stop no lim and I don't even recall him doing that.

the viable elims were literally himself and HEM

he has zero thread influence - nobody is listening to him.

would he really prefer himself to be eliminated over his townread ??

counterpoint: if they were scum they were deep in a hole and needed a way out
bussing there would mess with optics, especially if there was someone to avidly defend Math

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma town I don’t see any scumminess in their posts

fr?

[Gamma Emerald]

Why do you scum read Gamma?

Because I don’t tr him yet

It’s hard to explain a negative

so during D1 you SR me because you found nothing towny about me
now you TR me because you find nothing scummy about me
why shouldn't you be turboyeeted for being caught red-handed in BS reads?

[Gamma Emerald]

Would scum picking informed imply they didn't get a good draft?

p sure that selection comes during the number selection, not role selection

[Gamma Emerald]

yup
she's probably town for that

[Gamma Emerald]

Why do you scum read Gamma?

Because I don’t tr him yet

It’s hard to explain a negative

so during D1 you SR me because you found nothing towny about me
now you TR me because you find nothing scummy about me
why shouldn't you be turboyeeted for being caught red-handed in BS reads?

btw if anyone wants to try and explain THIS away, be my guest!

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like Titus embodies that idea more this game

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like even if Math is Vengeful Goon he takes the shot because a guilty becomes a death sentence for the person that gets it

[Gamma Emerald]

if the scum team is math+enchant i doubt math spends that much time screaming in the thread becuz he knows a lost cause when he sees one

I think this is not true based on my one experience with scum!Math.

[Gamma Emerald]

What’s really odd is Enchant crumbed reads here that they cop checked me

That’s impossible if I was jailkept

Enchant would get no result

That’s not how JK works???
How have you played as long as you have and you got that wrong?

[Gamma Emerald]

Coordinated attack on me. Titus + A day play fits.

they're attacking you because you're scummy not because they're scum -_-

I am not though.

I am frustrating and annoying but I am not scummy.

They aren’t arguing that I am though.

That’s the crux as to why they are scum.

You were uberscummy on d1, which is why I was so convinced you were scum. When you have time, you might want to reread my case on you, so you can hopefully avoid doing that in the future.

Like you and Ari say that

But I don’t think I was

I have rethought about my play and the only remotely possible scummy thing is going against popular opinion.

But that isn’t scummy

Like I don’t get what is scummy?

You’re kinda right
You are probably scummy for going against popular opinion but it actually felt like it happened in a scummy way

[Gamma Emerald]

If you insist, I'll make it painless as I can.

Then, I'll nail implo and StD if you're town.

If you're scum, I'm still getting Ari.

I am insisting on enchant confirming me as town or not today.

Then tomorrow no you will not push Ari ffs

She’s like top tier town like fuck Titus

uhhh

[Gamma Emerald]

I am Bulletproof.

Bruh.

I guessed as much

[Gamma Emerald]

Ari, if you think Math is town, then Enchant is almost certainly town as scum don't kill themselves.

Can we just lim Implosion together, mute Math and go on?

Hopefully a vig handles Math.

could still be that scum shot into a doctor protection

i just cant handle town picking bulletproof over ascetic cop its too ridiculous for me

It makes perfect sense as top pick?
You talked a big game about Enchant eating a billet or getting policied, now there’s no conflict, so what’s the problem?
Starting to think Titus is right about you.

[Gamma Emerald]

like are we ever going to get to the point where we trust enchant to endgame?

Maybe

But we can sort Enchant when mass claim happens too

If no doctor has flipped or claimed then Enchant has to be town

by definition we have a doctor or roleblocker

no roleblocker has claimed

therefore we have a doctor

How do we know we have doc/rb? Did someone claim to have picked that pair?

[Gamma Emerald]

there is literally no reason to pick bulletproof over ascetic cop

it is so so so bad

can u find a single game where town picked bulletproof over ascetic cop come on

Go back and reread your posts D1 then tell me picking BP in enchant’s position is nonsensical

[Gamma Emerald]

like are we ever going to get to the point where we trust enchant to endgame?

Maybe

But we can sort Enchant when mass claim happens too

If no doctor has flipped or claimed then Enchant has to be town

by definition we have a doctor or roleblocker

no roleblocker has claimed

therefore we have a doctor

How do we know we have doc/rb? Did someone claim to have picked that pair?

We will when I flip town

Because no kills today
Either enchant is town and shot
Or
Doctor exists

Because RB had plenty of time to claim guilty and didn’t probably scum aligned if it exists

The problem with your argument is that it isn’t the same as Ari’s. She is ignoring BP and saying one of doc/rb MUST exist. That feels informed.

[Gamma Emerald]

Just elim second scum and spam tracker/jailkeeps on me for funnies before i turn in confirmed immortal god of nothing.

This.

[Gamma Emerald]

id rather pick vanilla townie than bullet proof in slot 1 as town because you soak a nightkill and cop goes somewhere else

bulletproof is such a bad pick

SOAKING A NIGHTKILL IS 100% A GOOD THING FOR TOWN

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Aristeia

[Gamma Emerald]

like town is literally in a better position with enchant dead as a town ascetic cop than alive as town bulletproof because we r never getting to the point where we can trust enchant

Flip another scum
JK enchant repeatedly at least until a scum kill happens
If we get down to about 6 players without any kills by scum that ENTIRE time, then we vote enchant out

Where’s the issue?

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like it became a better choice when you raised a shit fit over Enchant dying as AC or getting policied!

[Gamma Emerald]

I agree Enchant’s play doesn’t line up with picking bulletproof exactly but I think based on the arguments Ari had been spewing prior, Encanto picking it should not be “ridiculous”

[Gamma Emerald]

It feels like she’s trying to eliminate Enchant by any means necessary vs. push out scum
She also feels informed about doc/rb

[Gamma Emerald]

Tbh I’m starting to feel better on Math actually

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm not entirely opposed to massclaim but I also want HQ's thoughts on it

[Gamma Emerald]

for a second i was trying to cross reference titus's order with the player list instead of the actual draft order and i was about to cry havoc lol

Oh so that’s why, still bad idea. The claim order should be based on consensus trs first etc.

Dwlee should go last and me anf Gamma be 3rd or 2nd last.

I think half based on draft order and half based on consensus reads might work
which half is which is the question

[Gamma Emerald]

Even then, a VT can say there's scum in the slots above me because X wasn't claimed.

I'm thinking the PR/VT claim order can be the reverse draft list and the full claims can be based on consensus reads
thoughts?

[Gamma Emerald]

I can’t calculate that at work

I think that I would prefer both bottom up I think.

That way the bottom have to claim the specific PR first

Then if upper has that PR it’s a definite CC and the CCer is more likely truth telling

The way you have it enables the specific PR claimers to pick from leftovers

this also is a decent point

[Gamma Emerald]

why wouldn't i just claim N3 vig

idk if it was the case when you clarified for math but he said his pick was vengeful and he didn't get it
that means it's known to be someone else if it's not you, so faking it would be foolish

[Gamma Emerald]

Even then, a VT can say there's scum in the slots above me because X wasn't claimed.

I'm thinking the PR/VT claim order can be the reverse draft list and the full claims can be based on consensus reads
thoughts?

Not ideal but still works as long as VTs keep their mouths shut about categories until all PRs have claimed.

alright
I also think limiting to the category claim is a good idea

[Gamma Emerald]

afaik enchant doesn't care what pronouns are used for him
but he doesn't like being called "echant"

[Gamma Emerald]

We should have nonconsensus slots claim and then PRs can cc them if they’re lying. I don’t see how that’s not the best outcome for town? Don’t put tprs in possible danger and only if nonconsensus trs lie, then cc.

Nah everyone or no one

Consensus list is no one atm.

Consensus would just be people who screamed the loudest

me and harley are consensus TRs rn so we'd at least be at the end
I think implosion is suspected enough to go earlier in a consensus order

[Gamma Emerald]

Where intel that i am vengeful fakeclaiming comed from?

it's a wild theory by math based on him picking that and not getting it

[Gamma Emerald]

I think atp we should just cut the massclaim now and avoid any further damage if it's this contentious

[Gamma Emerald]

it's a limited lifespan claim tho
bulletproof gets yeeted a lot, why make such a bad claim? Scum have 1 fakeclaim to work with unless the incredibly-slim possibility that all 8 pairs were selected by someone

[Gamma Emerald]

we currently know of 4 pairs that have been picked by at least 1 player
3 other players didn't get roles but have unknown picks
so that leave 4 pairs between 7 players

[Gamma Emerald]

you should share reads because you feel quite UtR and if math isn't scum you're a leading suspect for me

[Gamma Emerald]

implosion

Harley Quinn
Gamma Emerald

Wallflower

Roden

Enchant

Dwlee99

Bellaphant

Ausuka

MathBlade

Aristeia

Titus

bigger size is how much i townread them

this is my favorite readlist in any game ever

[Gamma Emerald]

not really but it was worth a try

:/

[Gamma Emerald]

I think a low-impact player like Enchant could take BP as scum to avoid vigs

@Enchant

when was the latest you intended to claim?

[Gamma Emerald]

I do not see a single reason why anyone should be townreading Enchant on play or mech

He’s the one who got shot when I flip town unless a doctor exists.

There is no guarantee of that.

If a doc flips green then Enchant scum can be considered not before

this is why I SR Ari
her argument that there must be a doc/rb are basically forced to happen because it's the only way her reads track at all

[Gamma Emerald]

That condition works for Ari because doc stays hidden
It works for everyone not wanting pass claim

And if scum Enchant (which I think is false) kills a town doctor, scum enchant loses inno.

we have 10 Town Players one of them picked doctor

why the !@#$ do we need a doctor to out to kill Enchant I have no clue

Because if a doctor isn’t flipped and green (not enough just to claim) then the most likely answer is scum shot Enchant.

your mech is just wrong sorry

we assume a doctor exists period

no your mech is wrong

[Gamma Emerald]

it is so so so so so scumsiding to pick bulletproof instead of ascetic i cant believe you guys are seriously considering letting Enchant get away with this

scum ascetic cop can't get guiltied by tracker, can't get roleblocked
there's scum utility in picking that as well

[Gamma Emerald]

it is so so so so so scumsiding to pick bulletproof instead of ascetic i cant believe you guys are seriously considering letting Enchant get away with this

scum ascetic cop can't get guiltied by tracker, can't get roleblocked
there's scum utility in picking that as well

Pick #1 going for Bulletproof over Ascetic Cop is terrible town play and should be treated as a scum claim.

You are literally denying the town a cop for to soak maybe one nightkill if you can get townread[WHICH HE DIDNT EVEN TRY TO DO SO WHAT ARE WE ARGUING ABOUT]

he literally entered today trying to pretend he was an ascetic cop and softing an inno on MB and then changed his mind when MB was a viable elimination.

How much more blatant of a mafia-play do you need here??

Nope I don’t treat it as a scum claim people act differently

If Enchant is Ascetic Roden will see it
Doc on Roden if it exists

Problem solved.

Denying town cop for an unlimmable conf town is a fair trade imho

bulletproof if conf town is an assured town slot in any endgame scenario
so yeah, Ari arguing to vote out Enchant now, before he's had a chance to get confirmed, is really fucking sus.

[Gamma Emerald]

not true there is probably a doctor

unless you're doctor you have no way of knowing this as town, and if you are doctor what the fuck are lecturing me for softing not-doc/rb when you're basically doing the same?

[Gamma Emerald]

bulletproof if conf town is an assured town slot in any endgame scenario
so yeah, Ari arguing to vote out Enchant now, before he's had a chance to get confirmed, is really fucking sus.

there is literally no way to confirm enchant what r u talking about

I already fucking explained how several pages ago. No I'm not repeating it, go read it for yourself!

[Gamma Emerald]

not true there is probably a doctor

unless you're doctor you have no way of knowing this as town, and if you are doctor what the fuck are lecturing me for softing not-doc/rb when you're basically doing the same?

oh you mean i can't have picked doctor/roleblocker and not gotten it?

eh
still think your argument here stinks

[Gamma Emerald]

then why the fuck are you arguing so hard for math!town?

[Gamma Emerald]

you could have stopped a kill on him
which would be improbable imo but at least there would be an easy litmus test for if that universe makes sense (voting out Titus)

[Gamma Emerald]

if dwlee is serious we eject Ari post-haste, then Math next because this whole thing has clearly been a cover to protect her scum partner.

[Gamma Emerald]

probably the number one thing that pings me is misplaced confidence
that's ari's play this game to a T

[Gamma Emerald]

this day phase*

[Gamma Emerald]

yes i bussed hem on d1 so i could claim doctor on d2 and never endgame

genius

You expected Enchant to die

When he didn’t youre fucked.

You know this is the right play and everyone you TR is telling you do

Gamma you TR and me you TR and Titus you TR

So you can either listen tonight tomorrow or end up policy if you’re not dead.

what was the point of this?

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE:
deja vu is setting in and I feel weird about having my vote on Ari rn
how many votes is math at rn, because if he's scum and this deja vu is on point Ari would actually be town here

[Gamma Emerald]

@Roden

do you see what I'm seeing?

[Gamma Emerald]

@Enchant

how much do you follow games you're dead in?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: mathblade
thinking this is radio buzz v2 (2 scum wagoned D1, weird shit with a doctor CC where presumably both slots involved are town)

[Gamma Emerald]

I am starting to feel like MathBlade is town but if we don't flip third scum D3 it is going to be extraordinarily hard for me to not want to lim him for hard defending both scum

???
who else did math hard defend D1?

[Gamma Emerald]

if math isn't scum I have a strong feeling it's you Ari because of your attempts to eliminate enchant today
so I will not be unvoting rn

[Gamma Emerald]

probably because you believe you can control him

[Gamma Emerald]

like do i actually look like someone who is controlling mathblade

like r u serious

what a take

pretty sure you said before you managed to talk him out of scumreading you as scum before
why wouldn't you hope to replicate that?

[Gamma Emerald]

those plans aren't even comparable because a scumflip is always better than a townflip
eliminating Math!VT is always better from a mech perspective than eliminating Enchant!TPR
so the scenarios to weigh should be math!scum vs enchant!scum

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE:
now that ari is out there's zero reason not to massclaim actually

[Gamma Emerald]

the only reason I decided to walk back massclaiming was because doc being outed would've been bad
there's no avoiding that now so might as well

[Gamma Emerald]

I am starting to feel like MathBlade is town but if we don't flip third scum D3 it is going to be extraordinarily hard for me to not want to lim him for hard defending both scum

???
who else did math hard defend D1?

I didn't say D1.

HEM now Enchant

why is enchant scum for you?

[Gamma Emerald]

enchant literally claimed to provide an alternate explanation to why no kill happened

[Gamma Emerald]

Scum doesn’t put themselves at that kind of risk when they have no reason to do so. Enchant wasn’t in any danger prior to his claim and I can understand the push on him prior to Math obvtowning but obvtown!Math means Enchant is also town. I recently played a game with scum(Enchant and he only cared about his buddies, Scum!Enchant doesn’t WK Mathtown and put himself at risk like this.

But Enchant was FORCED to claim

He didn't do it out of the goodness of his heart but I've seen two people in five minutes implying he chose to claim when he did

how was he forced to claim?

[Gamma Emerald]

enchant literally claimed to provide an alternate explanation to why no kill happened

No, he claimed because he was forced to

He called Math town before he claimed anything. Where’s the scum motivation in that?

He could've been setting up for a fake cop claim? Or to pocket math? There's a ton of people defending him for not AI stuff so I guess it worked

why chicken out of fake cop claim if so? At the first sign of people thinking that was the case he declined it

[Gamma Emerald]

first we finish massclaim
then I'd like to eliminate math to confirm/deny radio buzz v2 but would accept implosion/wallflower assuming neither claims PR

[Gamma Emerald]

let's say a one shot vig misfires on a town tracker tonight, that's information that's completely lost if not claimed
that's a bit of a stretch but still, there's benefit to claiming now rather than later

[Gamma Emerald]

and honestly enchant is not very useful even if he is town

enchant!town is useful in that he cannot be killed except for getting voted off

[Gamma Emerald]

Cool then I say myself

There I added a person

Get a commitment to not elim enchant I add another

actually add enchant first

[Gamma Emerald]

Ari you are denser than a neutron star

[Gamma Emerald]

PR

[Gamma Emerald]

Enchant is possible IC, he becomes that if the events I outlined earlier come to pass

[Gamma Emerald]

like town is literally in a better position with enchant dead as a town ascetic cop than alive as town bulletproof because we r never getting to the point where we can trust enchant

Flip another scum
JK enchant repeatedly at least until a scum kill happens
If we get down to about 6 players without any kills by scum that ENTIRE time, then we vote enchant out

Where’s the issue?

there's technically more that can be added to this
Roden can Voyeur Enchant and you can doc Roden

and in the case we hit town, the only deviation from this should be Ausuka targeting at his will vs. strictly targeting Enchant

[Gamma Emerald]

by massclaiming

[Gamma Emerald]

Titus puts it best
If no one claims n3 vig or vengeful math is scum
Otherwise there’s still a shot at a collision
It’s not foolproof but it’s probably best odds of confirming someone scum rn

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: wallflower

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE:
deja vu is setting in and I feel weird about having my vote on Ari rn
how many votes is math at rn, because if he's scum and this deja vu is on point Ari would actually be town here

here gamma is asking how many votes math is at - shows he is thinking about the vote number

VOTE: mathblade
thinking this is radio buzz v2 (2 scum wagoned D1, weird shit with a doctor CC where presumably both slots involved are town)

here he hammers math around 20 minutes later.


I have a hard time thinking town!gamma cares about how many votes math is at and then just oops hammers him when he knows math was p close by last VC

I didn't intend to hammer exactly but it was probably happening anyway

[Gamma Emerald]

What do you intend to get out of shading me btw Ari

[Gamma Emerald]

There’s no way I’m getting eliminated before one of (Wallflower, enchant)

[Gamma Emerald]

is that who you think the mafia are?

Yes

and

they need to be flipped to resolve mech concerns

[Gamma Emerald]

I picked from os vig/pgo
My choice was based on the picks from last game and what I felt would be good to have

[Gamma Emerald]

Bella claimed VT that picked JK/tracker

[Gamma Emerald]

I misinterpreted that chart

[Gamma Emerald]

I used my role up already

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: enchant
I think this is the best vote then

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: enchant
I think this is the best vote then

Based on?

We have a no kill and Ausuka jk’d Wallflower, Do you have an alternate explanation why no kill? I don’t think Wallflower was the nk target.

If you’re N3 vig we want to vote out the scum bulletproof
I feel like it’s Enchant, not Wallflower

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m almost certain WF is scum but I also think Enchant is and I’d like to win at the earliest moment possible, that would be voting out scum BP today and having the remaining scum vigged tonight

[Gamma Emerald]

if we're undecided between enchant/wallflower

its always better to vote out wallflower first

because if we're wrong and she's a VT

then the mafia nightkill me or ausuka, and the UB becomes a doctor/jk

if we vote out enchant and he's town bulletproof

then we get another town bulletproof and thats like literally useless

Also this feels incredibly spineless given everything you posted D1+2

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: enchant
I think this is the best vote then

Based on?

We have a no kill and Ausuka jk’d Wallflower, Do you have an alternate explanation why no kill? I don’t think Wallflower was the nk target.

If you’re N3 vig we want to vote out the scum bulletproof
I feel like it’s Enchant, not Wallflower

There was a no kill, Enchant wasn’t jk’d, there’s 2 scum left ahd WF was jk’d, so what’s your explanation?

I only claimed the category not role but what does that have anything to do with Enchant being scum bp? If Enchant is scum, Roden’s voyeur wouldn’t have stopped him from killing.

I’m assuming you are as that’s how we win N3
If you’re vengeful it’s irrelevant whether we vote out scum!enchant or scum!WF first

[Gamma Emerald]

if we're undecided between enchant/wallflower

its always better to vote out wallflower first

because if we're wrong and she's a VT

then the mafia nightkill me or ausuka, and the UB becomes a doctor/jk

if we vote out enchant and he's town bulletproof

then we get another town bulletproof and thats like literally useless

Also this feels incredibly spineless given everything you posted D1+2

I didn't know Wallflower was JK'd on Night 2 on D1/D2

I adapt based on things that happen.

Why wouldn’t scum!enchant have shot Ausuka?

[Gamma Emerald]

if we're undecided between enchant/wallflower

its always better to vote out wallflower first

because if we're wrong and she's a VT

then the mafia nightkill me or ausuka, and the UB becomes a doctor/jk

if we vote out enchant and he's town bulletproof

then we get another town bulletproof and thats like literally useless

Also this feels incredibly spineless given everything you posted D1+2

I didn't know Wallflower was JK'd on Night 2 on D1/D2

I adapt based on things that happen.

I don’t understand why Gamma thinks this.

Ari was raising holy hell about Enchant being scum especially D2 but now she thinks Enchant can be town? It’s weak conviction!

[Gamma Emerald]

[Gamma Emerald]

That roll was @ Ari
I don’t believe WF shot at me but I still think she’s scum here

[Gamma Emerald]

Aristeia, serious question: who do you think the scum team is atp?

[Gamma Emerald]

Enchant could be scum BP right? Is there a point in vigging him? Maybe I'm missing something

^^^^^
this is why I would prefer voting out enchant to wallflower today

[Gamma Emerald]

If enchant is scum your UB won't activate right?

UB is not alignment locked this setup

[Gamma Emerald]

is wallflower not hammered?

[Gamma Emerald]

i just want to note that fmpov ausuka is conftown unless scum nokilled last night which would be somewhat odd

i tr her on play too

i just realized gamma might not be conftown, he could be a mafia one shot vig who did not shoot or a mafia pgo so watch out for that.

not sure what else i should say b4 we end day.

dwlee, std any solving you two want to do?

I think you’re wrong on Gamma. His vigshot on Math is consistent with his vote on him the next day. It is true that because of the jk there’s no proof of that but he’s been a hard tr for me since the beginning.

I think it's fine for you to hard tr him

I'm just saying he's not conftown because he could simply be scum 1 shot vig who hasn't shot.

I still didn't like how he hammered mathblade on d2 and pretended it was an accident because he specifically asked for "how many votes are on math" and then later hammered him.

I think I did initially intend it to be hammer but when the discussion continued I didn’t mind it
If I wanted to quick hammer FOR REAL, I would have absconded completely afterward!
So go ahead, try to scum paint me here, I DARE YOU.

[Gamma Emerald]

What reasons would scum quickhammer for? Like, what’s the number one thing people say about quickhammers?

[Gamma Emerald]

I dislike Dwlee's read on me but am aware I am heavily biased on that so

Does anyone else think it's weird?? Like the progression of Ausuka is tunneled, Ausuka is single mindedly tunneling me (which I don't think I was?) to being willing to vote Ausuka based just on that reasoning

I also don't like their progression from scumreading Bella at the start of the day when that was a pretty fashionable read iirc to then going onto Implo when that again iirc was looking like an easy push toward the latter end of d2, seemingly dropping their earlier scumpool not including implosion

But again I might be like *actually* tunneled at this point so I'm interested in hearing other perspectives on their ISO

I know I was going to keep my reads private but... It's not like I'm always going to jail my top scumread, I would be willing to jail anyone to reduce predictability and because of rather low read confidence, so it's fine I think. A hypothetical world with town Wallflower and Enchant where Ari dies tonight and we don't have much reads discussion going on seems like a very bad world!

Just in a case, i taked BP to meme.

I don't remember Mala being in any way memetic.

vrej

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Enchant is not town
He would’ve been more clear about his pick logic earlier if he was

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If I’m on after Ari write her thing I’m hammering

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actually I'm kind of sleepy I'll do it tomm if the thread is still open but you don't have to wait for me I'm not even sure this will be useful

We’re waiting

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Alright.
To keep things fair, I suggest we post a board at the start (spoilered so the other can’t see it) for others to referee
The key I have in mind is

• W: open sea
  
• A: aircraft carrier (1x5)
  
• B: battleship (1x4)
  
• D: destroyer (1x3)
  
• S: submarine (1x3)
  
• P: patrol boat (1x2)

Code: Select all

Example:

AAAAAWWWWD
WWWWWWWWWD
WWWWWWWWWD
WWWWWWWWWW
WWWWPWWWWW
WWWWPWWWWW
WWWWWWWWWB
WWWWWWWWWB
WWWWWWWWWB
SSSWWWWWWB

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:/
So much for that

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VOTE: wallflower
Done.

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mm we lim all 4 VTS.

then;


lim HQ -> Vengekill on Enchant

Gamma - Ausuka - Implo - Roden - Ari


Ausuka jails Roden

If Ari nightkilled then Roden Cleared, Ausuka Cleared.

Lim Implo Venge Gamma?

this feels overcomplicated
also, if you get killed at all and enchant wasn't jailkept that night enchant dies before anyone else

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Ausuka jails Roden

If Ari nightkilled then Roden Cleared, Ausuka Cleared.

Lim Implo Venge Gamma?

what was this about then?

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I would be down to clown if it got that far

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VOTE: Enchant

I guess it was optimal play for scum to nokill here but like

Whatever lol let's just Lim enchant and not be boring

Jailing save the dragons tonight

+1

If it’s not Enchant, that would be my next guess.

I think Titus spewed town by Wallflower. It’s pretty clear to me that she wanted Titus flipped over her.

What’s making me slightly hestitant is that she never mentioned STD but Enchant has suss interactions with HEM. I would rather get as much info as possible just in case we’re wrong, so don’t want to rush this day.

Yeah I think StD flinched a bit when the plan seemed to be to go after VT claims so that's my first guess for scum in there

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I would be down to clown if it got that far

Then why won't you selfvote?

lmao what the fuck?

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to demoralize town

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:/

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VOTE: enchant
as much as I'd love to drop hammer this is still what I prefer

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This was a game.

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Yeah it was real funny everyone thought I hipfired N1 when I feel like I’m actually somewhat more conservative than that