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Open 847 - Trust Fall [Game Over]
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Open 847 - Trust Fall [Game Over]
Open 847 - Trust Fall
Modded by Prism, setup by Kanna
Ruleset unashamedly plagiarized from Hectic, and for formatting I am greatly indebted to northsidegal
Game Status
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Made Their Exit
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Sample Role PMs
Mafia Goon Sample PM
Vanilla Townie Sample PM
In addition to exactly one of the above role PMs, all players will receive the same spoiler highlighting important setup features & deadline conditions, along with a confirmation request. All three can be found here.
Role PM Addenda & Confirmation Message
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All Role PMs have now been sent. Players have 36 hours to confirm before I seek a replacement:
(expired on 2022-03-09 10:00:00)
Additionally, while I failed to note this in the role PM, please do not hesitate to reach out to me if you have trouble understanding the mechanics of the setup or the confirmation questions. They are there to make sure everyone is on the same page, and I will gladly answer questions or rephrase to assist!-
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All players have confirmed. Day 1 will begin at 6 EST.
I have made a small amendment to how a trust can be posted. I will also allow something along the lines ofOffer: Player,Accept: Player, HEAL: Player, etc.. All of these will be treated as valid trusts regardless of whether the label matches the action. These have been added to the ruleset, but the list of acceptable ways is nonexhaustive: Just bold it and try to make it unambiguous.
If I think it's a trust, I'm counting it!-
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Trust Tracker 1.1
Player Trust Voter humaneatingmonkey(1)Enchant (163) Distrustful(9)chavela, Pavowski, humaneatingmonkey, Andante, NorwegianboyEE, Greeting, bugspray, Meuh, tris
No valid trust pairing has been formed. The Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2022-03-13 18:00:00).Last edited by Prism on Tue Mar 08, 2022 9:28 pm, edited 1 time in total.-
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In post 295, Greeting wrote:@Prism
I have a question. Is it possible for more pairings to occur during twilight?No.-
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Trust Tracker 1.3
Player Trust Voter chavela(2)bugspray (422), humaneatingmonkey (471) humaneatingmonkey(1)Enchant (163) Distrustful(7)chavela, Pavowski, Andante, NorwegianboyEE, Greeting, Meuh, tris
No valid trust pairing has been formed. The Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2022-03-13 18:00:00).-
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Trust Tracker 1.4
Player Trust Voter chavela(2)bugspray (422), humaneatingmonkey (471) humaneatingmonkey(1)Enchant (163) Distrustful(7)chavela, Pavowski, Ydrasse, NorwegianboyEE, Greeting, Meuh, tris
No valid trust pairing has been formed. The Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2022-03-13 18:15:00).Last edited by Prism on Fri Mar 11, 2022 7:03 am, edited 1 time in total.-
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Trust Tracker 1.5
Player Trust Voter chavela(2)bugspray (422), humaneatingmonkey (471) humaneatingmonkey(1)Enchant (163) Distrustful(7)chavela, Pavowski, Ydrasse, NorwegianboyEE, Greeting, Meuh, Kuriyama
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Trust Tracker 1.6
Player Trust Voter chavela(2)bugspray (422), humaneatingmonkey (471) humaneatingmonkey(1)Enchant (163) Distrustful(7)chavela, Pavowski, Ydrasse, the worst, Greeting, Meuh, Kuriyama
No valid trust pairing has been formed. The Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2022-03-14 09:25:00).-
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Trust Tracker 1.7
Player Trust Voter chavela(2)bugspray (422), humaneatingmonkey (471) humaneatingmonkey(1)Enchant (163) Enchant(1)humaneatingmonkey (1082) Distrustful(7)chavela, Pavowski, Ydrasse, the worst, Greeting, Meuh, Kuriyama
A valid trust pairing has been formed! Day 1 is over, stand by for resolution.-
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Trust Tracker 2.1
Player Trust Voter Kuriyama(1)Ydrasse (1101) Distrustful(7)chavela, Pavowski, the worst, Greeting, bugspray, Meuh, Kuriyama
No valid trust pairing has been formed. The Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2022-03-18 11:00:00).-
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Trust Tracker 2.4
Player Trust Voter Meuh(2)Pavowski (1305), bugspray (1306) Kuriyama(1)Ydrasse (1101) Ydrasse(1)the worst (1156) the worst(1)Greeting (1319) Distrustful(3)chavela, Meuh, Kuriyama
No valid trust pairing has been formed. The Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2022-03-18 11:00:00).Last edited by Prism on Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:50 am, edited 1 time in total.-
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Trust Tracker 3.1
Player Trust Voter Meuh(1)bugspray (1392) Distrustful(5)chavela, Pavowski, the worst, Greeting, Meuh
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Trust Tracker 3.3
Player Trust Voter Meuh(3)bugspray (1392), the worst (1395), chavela (1439) chavela(1)Meuh (1444) Distrustful(2)Pavowski, Greeting
A valid trust pairing has been formed! Day 3 is over, stand by for resolution.Last edited by Prism on Tue Mar 15, 2022 12:48 pm, edited 1 time in total.-
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chavela and Meuh have formed a pairing and exited the game!
[/b]chavela was a[/b]Vanilla Townie.
[/b]Meuh was a[/b]Vanilla Townie.
[/font][/b]A win condition has been achieved.
The Mafia Goons,Pavowski[/font][/b]andbugspray[/font], have failed to earn the town's trust.
The Town has won Open 847 - Trust Fall!Last edited by Prism on Tue Mar 15, 2022 12:48 pm, edited 4 times in total.-
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PT Links to follow in this post, I will allow 48 hours for the Mafia to request any desired redactions in their PT before release.
Mod PT
Mafia PT
Trusted/Spectator PT
The game is now over, and you may post.-
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Congratulations to the town on a well-earned victory!
Some comments on play: I think scum fundamentally took the wrong approach starting near the end of Day 1. They started out fine with reads, solves, interactions, etc. but never progressed to actually suggesting pairings. bugspray's trust vote on chavela was the last real proactive moment up until the final implosion that I'll get to in a second. They were still going to lose 90%+ of the time, but they had single digit chances near the end of Day 2 as long as they stayed put, started being proactive/sharpened up, and bet on town messing up. Pavowski's tone+nervous passivity was really rough this game, but bugspray still had a chance of getting a trust and therefore making it harder on the town...and then the Meuh trusts. I thought the Meuh trusts were an absolute disaster and just about lost my mind when I woke up to them. Complete misplay because it immediately meant leaving both of the scumteam out was the best mechanical option.
Town did a very good job of realizing that the people proactively suggesting real pairings were town, not rocket science.-
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Overall, on the moderation side, I was pretty happy with this game minus the one replacement spree.
Thanks to everyone who stuck around, and of course thanks to Ydrasse, Kuriyama, and the worst for saving the day with the replacements. I hope you all enjoyed it!
I was very concerned by the discourse between HEM and bugspray early - both in the level of language and in the accusations being levied. It shot my anxiety through the roof when HEM pulled out receipts showing bugspray previously utilized similar behavior to further a wincon, but things fortunately fizzled out.
While I think players should put a premium on their own well-being, I was not happy to see the NorwegianboyEE replace out. Kuriyama stuck to critiquing play and was never even close to out of bounds. It virtually cleared the slot. Seeing them complain about Kuriyama's read on me in Divide & Conquer was also puzzling considering Norwegian went 0/2 for the entire 3 days they were alive, and actively discouraged scumreads on me, while I instantly killed Kuriyama N1 after already cashing in a giant horde of meta for a single-day townread.-
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I think the panic was understandable, but it's sort of "What makes the best of a bad scenario?" deal.In post 1467, Pavowski wrote:I felt like we were truly fooked even before the Meuh trusts ... it was a last ditch effort to do something to shake things up, but eh.
I gave it a single-digit win chance but mafia can be an unpredictable game and bugspray was kind of clawing their way back into it, and when you get one mafia flip things get wild and a top town isn't available to trust. Town pairing Day 2 and scum pairing Day 3 was the hail mary play IMO.
Qualitative play pointed to 4/5 players being town, but mechanically they had a lot of uncertainty hanging around and just 2/3 solid signs. Both of you trusting Meuh basically gave them 4 solid bets, and suddenly mechanics says pair these 4 town players...so of course they do.-
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I love this setup and was very happy to run it.
I love the flipped dynamic: In a regular game, town is most likely to misvote, and the mafia safest, on Day 1, and each day the pool narrows and gets a bit harder for scum to dodge the vote. It's the opposite in Trust Fall. Even as they get cornered, scum gets a lifeline in the form of the narrowed pool and more favorable odds.-
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I liked how the trusts worked out this game, though I did hate quizzing everyone pregame.
There are a few hallmarks to Trust Fall that were important for me to keep. Individuals are given a lot of power in this setup, and one wrong read from one town player can make or break the game. Simultaneously, I think Koba throwing/trolling the previous iteration exposed that one town player can singularly strip away the decisionmaking of the entire game by multitrusting. Some suggestions to make other town "approve" trusts I felt were antithetical to the spirit of the setup, which empowers the individual.
The idea behind "one offer per player" was to keep that individual power/decisionmaking without letting any one person seize complete mechanical control of the game. I think it worked out well, but I'm open to feedback.
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I thought about that, but the actual number after 1 is pretty arbitrary, and you'd have everyone forgetting their limit, claiming to have forgotten their limit, mafia having to check the limits for fakes, the moderator has to keep a tally either public or private, etc.
My thinking with exactly one, no takebacks, is to put a certain finality to that individual agency I highlighted. It gives the trust more weight and importance even as I cap the multitrusts.
I think it'd work to have any number or unlimited as usually played, but getting everyone on the same page without getting distracted by counting games is a major headache.-
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I definitely credit dayplay for the town win rather than a specific replace-out's alignment implications. The slot wasn't even in any of the pairings.
I don't think that portrayal of rules on discussing replace-outs is accurate, but maybe it's tucked in there somewhere. I'm out right now and can't easily doublecheck. The follow-up discussions on the new rules were labryinthian, contradictory, and the moderation team repeatedly broached new topics and rules without recognizing they had done so. For all I know they outlawed claiming VT somewhere.
I think it's a good rule, and rule of thumb, if nothing else-I believe MU has it.-
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In post 137, lilith2013 wrote:The rule on replacements (and discussion of replacing out) is still the same -you're allowed to discuss a replacement after it has happened.You are not allowed to publicly discuss replacing out, eg by announcing that you intend to replace out or telling someone else to replace out.
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