Open 836: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

[Datisi]

oh okay i got scared skitter replaced out

carry on

[Datisi]

VOTE: dunn

UNVOTE:
VOTE: dunn

Let's do it

Then if it’s meta, I can’t argue for or against. For now I’ll trust it.

VOTE: Dunn

this is p much the same wagon that was on dunn earlier in the day

i have feelings about it but i don't know what they are

[Datisi]

this is MY wagon and i am not sharing it

[Datisi]

so the secret to getting townread really is shitposting, huh

[Datisi]

can i get a simple explanation of why gamma is scum that's more than "not solvey" because i am not in the mood to be rereading a full iso to be trying to figure that out

[Datisi]

v/la until tuesday evening.

i did the "procrastinate until the last minute" thing again. also i just fucked up another game and so my mafia motivation is nonexistent right now. i'll be around to switch votes if needed and answer any urgent questions but don't expect too much from me.

[Datisi]

i was about to say "why is bingle talking to darby but not talking to me" (i don't care that he wasn't talking to those other two, who cares about them)

[Datisi]

i did skim the past few pages earlier and i felt like i didn't feel like voting gamma because [incomprehensible radio static]

how necessary is it that i go over those pages and actually form cohesive thoughts about gammawagon?

[Datisi]

i have been doing something like the whole game smh why don't *you* do something

[Datisi]

i might decide to go over whatever the fuck happened with gamma and pretend to form an opinion a bit later

the emphasis is on must because i slept like 4 hours last night and i utterly fucked up some education shit and i have additional shit that i have to do due tomorrow so yknow i am not making promises

but decently likely this game ends up being more interesting than whatever i have to do

[Datisi]

might

emphasis on might

i need to sleep maybe i'll manage to do that tomorrow

[Datisi]

on the other hand i could just act as baltar's doublevoter

that is a possibility

we'll see

[Datisi]

don't worry about my rl, i mostly know what i am doing

[Datisi]

probably

excuse me

[Datisi]

barely here, classphosting while brain is at 2.5% battery left

if you want actual thoughts, reading parts of my iso is probably a much better bet

[Datisi]

that said, hi dwlee glad to see you, i hope you are town

[Datisi]

that said, hi dwlee glad to see you, i hope you are town

Right back at you, but if you're town I'll probably figure it out within 48 hours

24 or nothing

[Datisi]

also unironically cakez's townread of ico was questionable at best so here we go

how so?

iirc, my thoughts at the time were "holy shit, those are some *bad* reasons to townread iconeum, cakez definitely should know better"

i was planning on pushing at it a bit but that was how manx days ago

[Datisi]

okay, that lowkey sounds like bullshit from you, cakez

[Datisi]

unless you're about to tell me that you spend a lot of time spectating games you do not participate in, i am highly skeptical of that claim there

[Datisi]

unless you're about to tell me that you spend a lot of time spectating games you do not participate in, i am highly skeptical of that claim there

You saying cakez hasn't seen you as scum?

he has, he modded a jk9++ open game back in february. in which i was constantly losing my shit, lurking, and trying to skate by by doing the absolute minimum possible. it's very much not a game that leaves an impression of "good at scum"

[Datisi]

i *know* my vote on cakez is unlikely to create a wagon. that's not the point.

also this is just ridiculous because Datisi was coming after me earlier for voting him without actually being able to get a wagon going

I WAS CALLING YOU TOWN FOR IT

[Datisi]

i think you're prob town because your push on me feels pretty tone deaf in a way that scum usually doesn't do

, plus tonally you feel fine (that is a weaker point as i am not hugely familiar with your tone as town and scum)

dude

idk how to make "scum generally doesn't do a nonsense push that won't go anywhere and makes them look like shit" more clear

[Datisi]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: gamma

how come this vote switch happens now?

[Datisi]

I really don't like that part of the game where Datisi randomly pulled up with a vote on me and I didn't buy his explanation for it, especially after he spent the beginning of the game townreading me (and he literally again just said he thought my early game was town)

i thought your early game was town

then the one part of your game that was making you town (energy and pushes) disappeared, i realized my read on you was stale and that i need to re-evaluate it

what part of that makes you so unhappy

[Datisi]

i don't understand how you see me naked voting someone who everyone had an either null or townread on, without any explanation and without any good reasons, and somehow come to the conclusion it's an attempt of taking advantage of your absense and saving someone else instead of like, trying to sort?

like, i'm annoyed because what i'm doing right now (i.e. attacking ACTUAL lhf) is way closer to that description and way closer to what i would probably do

but no, you're ascribing that to my lolvote on you really

[Datisi]

it feels kinda stupid to be arguing "no i'm not scum for voting you i'm actually scum for my current vote" but my god i don't get that train of thought at all

[Datisi]

Spoiler: the og vote and my explanation for it

VOTE: sircakez

i don't get why you're vanity-voting cakez *now* when you're scumreading ico, the slot is the leading wagon and i'm p confident that we're not ending on cakez today
like the part htat's looking aligned to me is that you have a lot of *words* saying you're suspicious of ico/darby but aren't *doing* much abt it

because my brain doesn't work like "i scumread person, there is wagon on them, let's yeet them"

i currently think ico is scum, sure. *but* i'm not extremely confident in that read, and there are a lot of slots that i have a very weak read on. which makes it difficult for me to build a good mental image of this game as a whole. and if we just went and yeeted the slot immediately, it wouldn't provide good foundation for me for later days, regardless of the colour of the flip. so i want to get reads elsewhere.

i don't have much to offer you on why this isn't how i play around my partners other than self meta of never having played around my partners ever. i know how it looks to be scumreading one person but voting elsewhere. and i know that cakez is again, much higher in the collective reads than ico, and that i currently don't have that much towncred to push things with. especially not with a push that's a naked vote + "lol idk i just want other reads ahaha".

like, i'm not too interested in arguing this with you because i know you're just gonna see my behaviour as aligned despite this being the polar opposite of my scumplay and having already screwed up on whether i was aligned/disaligned with ico in jk9++. you should probably be more worried if i'm scum trying to softdefend town!ico and making us seem aligned so that nobody takes me seriously.

[Datisi]

i don't understand how you see me naked voting someone who everyone had an either null or townread on, without any explanation and without any good reasons, and somehow come to the conclusion it's an attempt of taking advantage of your absense and saving someone else instead of like, trying to sort?

like, i'm annoyed because what i'm doing right now (i.e. attacking ACTUAL lhf) is way closer to that description and way closer to what i would probably do

but no, you're ascribing that to my lolvote on you really

I don't understand how you voting me accomplishes sorting

it doesn't. it symbolizes where my head is at and what i want to actually be focusing on. the idea was that you would return in a timely manner and that i would actually be able to sort your new posts, but then you kinda didn't do that and i started feeling stupid holding my vote on an obviously empty slot when the deadline is running thin, so

also, deflection noted. *how* does me voting you there and basically saying nothing about your slot to then give up voting you actually give me any sorta benefit or successfully rally people into voting you?

For what it's worth I took Datisis Sircakez vote as looking for Sircakez reaction in order to strengthen a read. Personally, I thought he made it too clear that his vote was a reaction test to get enough out of it but maybe he's gaining something from this late reaction anyway? But the only way I can see anyone scumreading Datisi for it is if they think he's just posturing.

wrong, i don't do reaction tests unless i'm very familiar with the person i'm trying to get a reaction from (because i'm shite at standard reaction tests)

for the record, i do wanna say me nakedvoting someone lurky and going "haha i wanna sort there" is not outside of my scumgame. if i thought it would make me look like i'm reconsidering or that it would lead onto me looking like i'm organically acquiring reads, i would do it. but i take issue with "datisi is scum for vote on cakez because datisi was trying to shitpush a lurky slot before he came back" because that's obviously untrue, to the point it sounds bad faith.

[Datisi]

also fun facts, i managed to get some 12 hours of sleep last night, so i feel rested enough to actually read the clusterfuck that is this game. my motivation is still greatly lacking though, but i'll be able to force myself to sit down later and see what is up here.

[Datisi]

i mean, i take a reaction test to mean "look at how cakez reacted to my nakedvote, them read him off that reaction"

and my plan was "vote cakez, interrogate him about different things in the game, read his answers"

ironically enough i did get a read on him by his reaction to my vote so what the fuck is mafia anymore lmfao

[Datisi]

Okay, yeah A50 is lock town.

please say sike

[Datisi]

Okay, yeah A50 is lock town.

please say sike

Nope. Town monkey. We flip me before never flipping him if it comes down to it. Sorry.

pls explain

[Datisi]

I have literally never been wrong about an A50 read I was this sure of.

i was hoping for a lesson on how to read a50 but okay

[Datisi]

i was hoping for a lesson on how to read a50 but okay

Step one is to assume that there's 3 more layers to whatever you think would be reasonable. Step two is to be nuts enough to be able to tell the difference between when his layers are actually meant to confuse or meant to look like he's trying to confuse but not actually confuse. Step three is to realize that when he's actually actively trying to confuse the shit out of the thread he's town and when he's trying to look like he's trying to confuse the shit out of the thread he might be scum.

In this case, though, it's simpler. A50 outthought himself. He started at what he thought was a reasonable base and started constructing a web of paranoia and deceit without realizing that the center of the web was something not true of the setup. Scum him very rarely tries to fake making a fake pile of paranoia tinfoil on a faulty perception of the truth as the base and when he does it always has hints that it's unnatural.

[Datisi]

why is dats sus for you rn

~ skitter

was this ever answered? i'm not sure it was ever answered

[Datisi]

Gamma and you would be my main indicator. I'd imagine Gamma would push back, and F&G would push back to that. They will either bring up the relevant pieces of the meta to this game and agree on some form of facts (to which I could make a conclusion then) and/or you as an informed third party would correct any wrong statements. It's not fool proof but I don't like doing extra work when it can be avoided.

i am almost tempted to townread this because the "lol my vote is dumb, idk if the statement was wrong someone would've said something, i ain't reading shit" is often how my brain works as town. now i know this is not necessarily ai and is more playstyle-indicative but i semi-often get shit for it so part of my brain is going "yes mindmeld" even though i know it's a mindmeld on a nai thing

maaaybe one could argue that scum doesn't do the "lol idk i'll just switch voted with no explanation" but i just got burned by making "scum doesn't post something this bad" arguments so i won't do that

[Datisi]

Gamma and you would be my main indicator. I'd imagine Gamma would push back, and F&G would push back to that. They will either bring up the relevant pieces of the meta to this game and agree on some form of facts (to which I could make a conclusion then) and/or you as an informed third party would correct any wrong statements. It's not fool proof but I don't like doing extra work when it can be avoided.

i am almost tempted to townread this because the "lol my vote is dumb, idk if the statement was wrong someone would've said something, i ain't reading shit" is often how my brain works as town. now i know this is not necessarily ai and is more playstyle-indicative but i semi-often get shit for it so part of my brain is going "yes mindmeld" even though i know it's a mindmeld on a nai thing

maaaybe one could argue that scum doesn't do the "lol idk i'll just switch voted with no explanation" but i just got burned by making "scum doesn't post something this bad" arguments so i won't do that

[Datisi]

I have an exam tonight

how did this go i hope it went well

[Datisi]

Spoiler:

For examples, I like the tone in these posts for town

cuz reading his catchup it reminded me of that time ico/me were scum together in kids with lungs and the dude would basically lurk and then "catchup" in "bursts" where he would post like 20 times in a row and not actually interact with the thread in any way.

yeah please metadive and tell us what you find

i'm not gonna explain my personal life ITT

i have a tinfoil theory that involves Fun and Games, Datisi and myself… i'm probably getting heat for this but i don't really care lol

Fun and Games' scumread on me feels really weak. They are pushing Datisi as associative with me because they know i'm yeetbait and the *one* thing standing in their way for easy achievement of that is Datisi townreading me

So this could literally be scum!Fun and Games (damn that name, i tried abreviating that) pushing town!tisi into some sort of corner with regards to my slot, trying to 1) make sure there's no town!tisi defending me and 2) stopping potential town cohesion from forming

Datisi's case on VP, I think Dats is genuinely believing what he's seeing here...
town!tisi? oh man if my gut on Fun and Games is right i'm gonna be so happy i don't think i've ever caught scum!skit, let alone scum!pooky

ok, now that i have more than 3 brain cells working at the same time

this is like. uh. why the hell are you townreading any of those posts lol

i'm again getting reminded that ico magically wanted to yeet dunn (like straight up said he wants to fucken yeet dunn) while obviously not solving much, *and* also having a decent amount of interaction with skitt and calling the slot shady but... he want yeet dunn? who barely here? wwwhat??

also 882 is reminding me of a time where scum!ico was like "shit i got into a slapfight with datisi early and he didn't like it... wow what a good case is datisi town?" but this is maybe my own bias at this point

[Datisi]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: gamma

how come this vote switch happens now?

I'm full of whimsy

this is a very funny response but how am i supposed to copy your reads now

[Datisi]

i once heard a friend of mine say "if someone's posts are making my eyes glaze over and i can't read them, that person is probably scum"

and that is the exact vibe i get from 1827

it's like, what is the point of this? it's titled as "deduction", but most of it feels like just... recounting events that happened in the thread? i see there's *some* original thoughts there, but this whole post just screams "look at me i am doing things".

oh wait, i skipped over 1822. that makes it a *bit* better because at least it wasn't uncalled for. it still has the lamist vibe. anyone got meta on darby to know if he's usually like that?

[Datisi]

aghhh I don't tr darby though, so that means someone in darby/gamma/VP/dunn is town, but honestly, I'm leaning heavily towards this being a 3/4, I know I literally just got here, but it doesn't take long to skim ISOs of top wagons and go from there

the fuck am i reading

[Datisi]

like, i've seen confident reads before

but my god, a confident 4-person poe less than half an hour after repping in?

[Datisi]

literally every single post from andante makes me feel like i'm reading a mafia playing bot that got its "chaotic" setting cranked up to 11

[Datisi]

bingle is town

therefore a50 is also town

fuck i'm good at this game

[Datisi]

i am currently conflicted between voting gamma and voting darby

the cliffnotes on gamma that bingle posted sound very fun and sheepable, and the wagon on gamma seems much better participants-wise than the one on darby

however darby is my pet scumread and ico had some very icky progressions and he felt so dead

i'm gonna go step away and brush my teeth and see if i have an idea what to do

[Datisi]

respond to 1912 and i will think about granting you that honour

[Datisi]

VOTE: darby

let's see here

[Datisi]

skitt, can i get link/tldr on that, i am a bit checked out

also what you think of cakez

[Datisi]

actually i change my mind bingle is really fucking scummy

i'm not gonna vote him because uh he's not viable today but if i die totally take a look at him ok thanks

[Datisi]

really, skitter >_>

[Datisi]

1941

[Datisi]

it's looking like you either claim now while we still have a bit of time left, or you get hammered without a claim.

[Datisi]

enchant is the new not_mafia, and that is not a compliment

[Datisi]

yeah, n_m is funny sometimes

[Datisi]

sounds like it

s_s please do the thing i am tired but i won't be able to sleep now

[Datisi]

who is online...

balrar!?

[Datisi]

i should proofread things

balrar sounds like a bad winrar spinoff that gives you malware

[Datisi]

lemme know if you find anything interesting there

i will attempt to sleep despite there being a hammer but no goddamn flip

[Datisi]

i am ashamed of the fact that that made me legit laugh out loud, especially since mine are probably in the same condition

pedit i can't believe you don't have me as locktown yet

[Datisi]

i am in so much pain

i don't know how i consistently manage to nail scum and then blunder literally everything else

[Datisi]

gg scumfucks y'all did well

@s_s you can release my notes

they are even more embarrassing now that vp flipped green but i never claimed to actually be good at this game so

[Datisi]

also thank for mod s_s very smooth mod notes were v entertaining

[Datisi]

they are even more embarrassing now that vp flipped green

This hurts the most haha

i have about 3 pages in my notes DETAILING out how baltar/ico interactions are 100% scum/scum

it's a miracle i didn't shoot you n1

[Datisi]

considering cakez was ic, maybe it would've been better if i had? /shrug

[Datisi]

actually i remembered i was given mod perms for them so

viewtopic.php?f=90&t=88218

[Datisi]

was fun to play with you! hope you recover

^ This.

Even though you were scum, I routinely laughed at your posts and enjoyed playing with you. Feel better, Bingle!

[Datisi]

when scum pt