Open 835: D6 | Songs About Ronald Reagan | Day 5

[Roden]

I just meta dived Roden, he's probably scum since one time five months ago he didn't make the sixth post and that's scum indicative for him. Trust me he's definitely scum and we should death tunnel him all game because the vibes are bad and my vibes are never wrong.

VOTE: Gamma

[Roden]

scum probably already willingly bring up self-meta with no provocation, jokingly or defensively, more often than town but has that increased recently or am i just now cottoning onto it

I was going to wait and see how much the votes would build up without me saying anything because it would be funny. But uh me not making the sixth post is not actually self-meta. That was satire.

[Roden]

did I say the self-meta needed to be accurate, or proposed as accurate
no

It wasn't even an actual self-meta though...

[Roden]

did I say the self-meta needed to be accurate, or proposed as accurate
no

It wasn't even an actual self-meta though...

historically people who fail to understand my very clear posts are scum

I...haven't misunderstood anything? You're the one who did.

[Roden]

VOTE: redtea

[Roden]

VOTE: redtea

Do you think their unannounced E-1 was a scum ploy or is there something else here?

An unannounced E-1 is always anti-town, but doing it after everyone was warned of a potential NM quick hammer is even worse. Plus I just don't like how redtea is trying to turn their misunderstanding around onto me.

If you're scum then ok, but I don't see how any townie is supposed to know that without a N0 guilty, nothing has happened yet to reasonably say anyone should get hammered.

[Roden]

Also Enchant wtf are you doing

[Roden]

VOTE: redtea

Do you think their unannounced E-1 was a scum ploy or is there something else here?

An unannounced E-1 is always anti-town,

but doing it after everyone was warned of a potential NM quick hammer is even worse.

Plus I just don't like how redtea is trying to turn their misunderstanding around onto me.

If you're scum then ok, but I don't see how any townie is supposed to know that without a N0 guilty, nothing has happened yet to reasonably say anyone should get hammered.

Why the strike?

[Roden]

Also Enchant wtf are you doing

I wanted quickhammer, but changed mind when noticed Mag was upset, and decided to hold for now.

Ok, but why do you want a quick hammer? And why is Meg posting emojis enough to stop you from quick hammering?

[Roden]

Ok yeah, the warning did happen right after. But also yeah most people should know NM's reputation by this point.

[Roden]

Also Enchant wtf are you doing

I wanted quickhammer, but changed mind when noticed Mag was upset, and decided to hold for now.

Ok, but why do you want a quick hammer? And why is Meg posting emojis enough to stop you from quick hammering?

Why not?

Idk, honestly. Seems like i turned in wimp with high empathy when i am sleepy. Mostly i really don't care.

Why i am not sleeping?

Weeeeeeell! I need to go now seems.

Because a page 5 quick hammer is almost always bad.

Quick hammers without a claim are also almost always bad.

Even if Gamma flipped scum here, we'd be going into Night 1 and Day 2 with very little info. If you really wanna hammer him give it a few days first at least.

[Roden]

I agree with Kyo's read.

VOTE: NumberQ

[Roden]

Who's the scum on your wagon?

[Roden]

You say we're oppotunistic for voting you. By those same standards, do you not consider your own votes and pushes opportunistic?

Well it says "Mafia Scum" under Roden's username so I think you're onto something.

VOTE: Roden

Unironically Roden is scum

Then vote them

VOTE: Gamma

He said there was nothing important to discuss so let's make something to discuss.

[Roden]

Ughhhh...I'm gonna have to keep pushing discussion, aren't I?

[Roden]

I'm gonna unvote before this turns into a Thing
UNVOTE:

Considering no other things have happened or are happening, I say thing it up. Why is your vote better off the wagon than on it?

I'm trying to be a

little

more selective in my thinging

VOTE: gamma

that's me, being selective

Come on, that had to have been deliberate.

VOTE: redtea

Also Enchant wtf are you doing

I wanted quickhammer, but changed mind when noticed Mag was upset, and decided to hold for now.

Ok, but why do you want a quick hammer? And why is Meg posting emojis enough to stop you from quick hammering?

Why not?

Idk, honestly. Seems like i turned in wimp with high empathy when i am sleepy. Mostly i really don't care.

Why i am not sleeping?

Weeeeeeell! I need to go now seems.

This is also terrible.

Side note: Roden is prob town for actually having common sense around the whole quickhammer situation, and also Azumarill to a lesser extent.

TMI that me and Roden are town?

Somewhat agree with this. Shutting down early quick hammers is low effort town cred for scum, and doesn't even consider the possibility that Gamma could be my buddy and that I was trying to save him. That shouldn't really be seen as town indicative.

Egix, do you have a read on Gamma?

[Roden]

ok, sorry, didnt realise game had started, catching up, ty

It's been a day, and not much has happened since this post. Are you caught up yet? Do you have any opinions?

[Roden]

I like how this game has nothing going on but everybody's pretending that it's ongoing and forming wagons that get to E-1 too.

I think you're fairly intuitive. What do you think is stagnating the game state?

[Roden]

VOTE: roden

I get that you're gimmicking this game, but it's obscuring your thought process. Can you explain your votes?

[Roden]

That's E-2/E-NM btw.

What's up Enchant? Do you have any reads?

[Roden]

Early reads, in order from towniest to scummiest:

Town:
Roden
Penguin

Leantown:
A50
ssbm
redtea
Gamma

Null:
Galron
mozamis
Not_Mafia

Leanscum:
Enchant
Egix
Meg

Scum:
numberQ

I can elaborate on any of these if asked but I'm not going to elaborate on all of them right now, too much work.

I'm vibing with this reads list for the most part.

Why are you town reading Penguin?

[Roden]

(That was a joke on the same level as when I jokingly implied Gamma was VT, btw)

Are you saying the rest of the readlist was serious? because I assumed it was all upside down tbh. If you did mean I was a Town lean to you I would like a short explanation. I don't think i did anything alliance indicative thus far, unless you're meta-reading me. Is that it?

Partially meta. I don't really know what your scum game looks like, but you're giving me the same vibes as from NEP3. You were on side "meme game" in that one, but still, you were town and looked like this.

Otherwise it's just a vague feeling I get from your posts. 168 in particular didn't feel like scum because I don't think scum would blatantly say that instead of giving a few fake reads.

Admittedly, a somewhat weak read. Maybe you should be a couple slots lower, though still in the leantown category.

Early reads, in order from towniest to scummiest:

Town:
Roden
Penguin

Leantown:
A50
ssbm
redtea
Gamma

Null:
Galron
mozamis
Not_Mafia

Leanscum:
Enchant
Egix
Meg

Scum:
numberQ

I can elaborate on any of these if asked but I'm not going to elaborate on all of them right now, too much work.

I'm vibing with this reads list for the most part.

Why are you town reading Penguin?

Penguin questioning and then voting me felt genuine. Idk, I generally townread people who question me and/or scumread me, at least in the early game.

If you're vibing with it for the most part, what stands out to you as not vibe-worthy?

That's fair, I tend to do the same as well.

The only placements that stood out to me were Penguin and Meg. Penguin's posting has been fine, but nothing has stood out to me as particularly townie. And Meg hasn't felt like they've done much to get a scum lean, at least to me. But also Meg is a kind of player that I have to let simmer before I can read them, their town and scum metas are distinct but not immediately obvious.

Like I said earlier though I do mostly vibe with your list, if I were to write one out now it would be almost identical to yours. Which is actually kind of rare for me to have a similar reads list to someone else on Day 1.

I can tell I'm not going to enjoy Galron's gimmick, even if I like the source material... It's not even a wild or potentially meme-worthy setup, I don't get bringing RP stuff like that into games like this.

Yeahhhh I'm feeling the same at this point.

So do we treat E-2 like E-1 with N_M around? Like if someone has intent to put Enchant at E-2, he should claim? I'm not saying I have that intent quite yet. Just wondering.

It's a weird spot for me because I want to say yes, that should be enough for someone to claim. But also I don't like that with NM around it basically let's scum get claims out of townies sooner.

[Roden]

Early reads, in order from towniest to scummiest:

Town:
Roden
Penguin

Leantown:
A50
ssbm
redtea
Gamma

Null:
Galron
mozamis
Not_Mafia

Leanscum:
Enchant
Egix
Meg

Scum:
numberQ

I can elaborate on any of these if asked but I'm not going to elaborate on all of them right now, too much work.

I'm vibing with this reads list for the most part.

Why are you town reading Penguin?

If you take money from these people under false pretenses, you’ll be committing fraud.

VOTE: roden

VOTE: Galron

Ok, let's figure each other out. Are these serious votes? If so, why do you scum read me?

[Roden]

I'm gonna unvote before this turns into a Thing
UNVOTE:

Considering no other things have happened or are happening, I say thing it up. Why is your vote better off the wagon than on it?

I'm trying to be a

little

more selective in my thinging

VOTE: gamma

that's me, being selective

Come on, that had to have been deliberate.

VOTE: redtea

Also Enchant wtf are you doing

I wanted quickhammer, but changed mind when noticed Mag was upset, and decided to hold for now.

Ok, but why do you want a quick hammer? And why is Meg posting emojis enough to stop you from quick hammering?

Why not?

Idk, honestly. Seems like i turned in wimp with high empathy when i am sleepy. Mostly i really don't care.

Why i am not sleeping?

Weeeeeeell! I need to go now seems.

This is also terrible.

Side note: Roden is prob town for actually having common sense around the whole quickhammer situation, and also Azumarill to a lesser extent.

TMI that me and Roden are town?

Somewhat agree with this. Shutting down early quick hammers is low effort town cred for scum, and doesn't even consider the possibility that Gamma could be my buddy and that I was trying to save him. That shouldn't really be seen as town indicative.

Egix, do you have a read on Gamma?

[Roden]

Early reads, in order from towniest to scummiest:

Town:
Roden
Penguin

Leantown:
A50
ssbm
redtea
Gamma

Null:
Galron
mozamis
Not_Mafia

Leanscum:
Enchant
Egix
Meg

Scum:
numberQ

I can elaborate on any of these if asked but I'm not going to elaborate on all of them right now, too much work.

I'm vibing with this reads list for the most part.

Why are you town reading Penguin?

If you take money from these people under false pretenses, you’ll be committing fraud.

VOTE: roden

VOTE: Galron

Ok, let's figure each other out. Are these serious votes? If so, why do you scum read me?

Start with the misdemeanors and then, we're gonna' push right on through to the lighter treasons:

Ughhhh...I'm gonna have to keep pushing discussion, aren't I?

I'm gonna unvote before this turns into a Thing
UNVOTE:

Considering no other things have happened or are happening, I say thing it up. Why is your vote better off the wagon than on it?

I'm trying to be a

little

more selective in my thinging

VOTE: gamma

that's me, being selective

Come on, that had to have been deliberate.

VOTE: redtea

Also Enchant wtf are you doing

I wanted quickhammer, but changed mind when noticed Mag was upset, and decided to hold for now.

Ok, but why do you want a quick hammer? And why is Meg posting emojis enough to stop you from quick hammering?

Why not?

Idk, honestly. Seems like i turned in wimp with high empathy when i am sleepy. Mostly i really don't care.

Why i am not sleeping?

Weeeeeeell! I need to go now seems.

This is also terrible.

Side note: Roden is prob town for actually having common sense around the whole quickhammer situation, and also Azumarill to a lesser extent.

TMI that me and Roden are town?

Somewhat agree with this. Shutting down early quick hammers is low effort town cred for scum, and doesn't even consider the possibility that Gamma could be my buddy and that I was trying to save him. That shouldn't really be seen as town indicative.

Egix, do you have a read on Gamma?

ok, sorry, didnt realise game had started, catching up, ty

It's been a day, and not much has happened since this post. Are you caught up yet? Do you have any opinions?

It is exactly the opposite:

VOTE: roden

I get that you're gimmicking this game, but it's obscuring your thought process. Can you explain your votes?

That's E-2/E-NM btw.

What's up Enchant? Do you have any reads?

I have no idea what this is supposed to mean. If your scum read on me is genuine then you're making it impossible to understand. And I think if you actually scum read me then you would be making a stronger push on me and try to make it clear to everyone else.

I think if Enchant flips green then it's possible Galron is scum and his buddies are trying to distract by pushing an easy mis-elim. But if Enchant flips red, which does feel likely, Galron is likely town. I think I can figure out Galron by tomorrow either way, so...

Intent to let NM hammer Enchant.

[Roden]

That's E-2/E-NM btw.

What's up Enchant? Do you have any reads?

All scum voting me, 100%

Atleast i don't see phrase "WELL NUMBERQ IS PROB SCUM AND WAGONED LET'S WAGON ENCHANT INSTEAD BECAUSE OPENWULF"

Blatant counter wagon, so mafia are Kyouko+Gamma+NumberQ.

I don't really follow the logic on this. Scum teams don't usually dogpile, especially this early into the game. They're usually too afraid of associations.

[Roden]

Jesus Christ y'all spoiler that shit

My bad, I didn't realize how long the quote block was in preview.

[Roden]

Openwolf enchant is unironically scum
VOTE: Enchant
Q prolly also scum

I still think Enchant is most likely here

What's your analysis of Enchant so far?

[Roden]

I'm trying to see what you're getting at with if scum!enchant, then town!galron
if there's 2 scum then I get it
if there's 3 then I don't
and 3:10 is balanced right?
I usually assume the bigger number

Well, we know it's a 3 scum team from the setup. It's just the number of PRs that's up in the air.

And I'm also unsure why scum!Enchant = town!Galron, I figured it was just because Galron is impenetrable to me but if someone else doesn't see it either then maybe it's just a confusing read.

I should've clarified this better but I was in a rush to post.

My thought process behind scum!Enchant = town!Galron is that it doesn't make sense for them to be competing SvS wagons. The third scum buddy wouldn't try to counter wagon scum!Galron with scum!Enchant, especially when nobody's really talking and there's so little content that they could easily just push a townie with little to no consequences. Wouldn't hurt to send an invest PR his way regardless of Enchant's flip though.

[Roden]

Enchant, if you're town then you should start questioning your scum reads.

[Roden]

Enchant, if you're town then you should start questioning your scum reads.

lolwut

What?

[Roden]

Afaict enchant SR me and kyouko, do you think we’re town? If so why?

I don't see how that's related. How does my read on you and Kyouko have any effect on the fact Enchant is on the chopping block and needs to pursue his scum reads if he's town?

To answer your question though, my suspicion on both of your slots increases the longer this game goes on and as you both continue to not offer content. The fact a universe exists where I have more posts than either of you after Radio Buzz is astonishing and eyebrow-raising.

Has Kyouko finally escaped your Bad Player Jail? Do you have a read on her at all? She put you at E-2 and you didn't even bat an eye.

[Roden]

Are you scumreading Gamma?

Gamma chances being mafia higher than my chances being mafia.

In theory i should have hammered to avoid this situation at first place (even if town i atleast tried, if scum i am not going on chupping block). Considering love of mafia to bus each other on day1 and then changing votes, i think Gamma could be maf distancing, but not sure here, whatever.

Sure but the gamma lim came way too close imo for it to be a bus
it's not like gamma was a lost cause

I don't think mafia expect from me to help NM with quickhammer.

3-4 votes not so dangerous imo.

3-4 votes...? Why are you acting like you didn't know Gamma was within NM hammer range?

Spoiler: Spoiler tags this time

Now i cant hammer gamma

VOTE: Gamma
Now you can.

Too late.

UNVOTE:

I can't believe this

Quickhammer team?

Let's go

VOTE: Gamma

[Roden]

I don't believe that.

[Roden]

Why are you refusing to pursue your scum reads and just settling with getting elim'd?

[Roden]

Welp. Bye Enchant. I'll vote once Gamma responds to my post.

[Roden]

Alright, fair response.

VOTE: Enchant

[Roden]

VOTE: Roden
you failed the vibe check

What vibe?

Spoiler:

Early reads, in order from towniest to scummiest:

Town:
Roden
Penguin

Leantown:
A50
ssbm
redtea
Gamma

Null:
Galron
mozamis
Not_Mafia

Leanscum:
Enchant
Egix
Meg

Scum:
numberQ

I can elaborate on any of these if asked but I'm not going to elaborate on all of them right now, too much work.

I'm vibing with this reads list for the most part.

Why are you town reading Penguin?

If you take money from these people under false pretenses, you’ll be committing fraud.

VOTE: roden

VOTE: Galron

Ok, let's figure each other out. Are these serious votes? If so, why do you scum read me?

Start with the misdemeanors and then, we're gonna' push right on through to the lighter treasons:

Ughhhh...I'm gonna have to keep pushing discussion, aren't I?

I'm gonna unvote before this turns into a Thing
UNVOTE:

Considering no other things have happened or are happening, I say thing it up. Why is your vote better off the wagon than on it?

I'm trying to be a

little

more selective in my thinging

VOTE: gamma

that's me, being selective

Come on, that had to have been deliberate.

VOTE: redtea

Also Enchant wtf are you doing

I wanted quickhammer, but changed mind when noticed Mag was upset, and decided to hold for now.

Ok, but why do you want a quick hammer? And why is Meg posting emojis enough to stop you from quick hammering?

Why not?

Idk, honestly. Seems like i turned in wimp with high empathy when i am sleepy. Mostly i really don't care.

Why i am not sleeping?

Weeeeeeell! I need to go now seems.

This is also terrible.

Side note: Roden is prob town for actually having common sense around the whole quickhammer situation, and also Azumarill to a lesser extent.

TMI that me and Roden are town?

Somewhat agree with this. Shutting down early quick hammers is low effort town cred for scum, and doesn't even consider the possibility that Gamma could be my buddy and that I was trying to save him. That shouldn't really be seen as town indicative.

Egix, do you have a read on Gamma?

ok, sorry, didnt realise game had started, catching up, ty

It's been a day, and not much has happened since this post. Are you caught up yet? Do you have any opinions?

It is exactly the opposite:

VOTE: roden

I get that you're gimmicking this game, but it's obscuring your thought process. Can you explain your votes?

That's E-2/E-NM btw.

What's up Enchant? Do you have any reads?

Roden, you wanted to push me to explain why I was voting you, but when I voted for Enchant, you just let that go.

Oh hey, you're playing now.

I was getting almost nothing out of you, and what I was getting was just cryptic. I made it very clear that I was setting you aside for later so that I could evaluate Enchant better. I never said I didn't want you to explain anything, you've just chosen not to.

Probably because you all rush a elim over the weekend when i'm not active.

You dipped out of the game for awhile. :/

We were near EoD, and barely anyone was playing, so there wasn't much of a choice here. I was giving Enchant multiple chances to dismantle his wagon, but he just refused and gave up. And even if I hadn't hammered, NM was going to do it anyway because Enchant literally put himself in hammer range.

[Roden]

What does that mean he failed the vibe check?

It means his vibes this game are terrible. Pretty much every time I've faced scum!Roden he's pinged me a certain way, and his comment about Enchant not pushing his reads hit that note.

...Except he didn't push his reads, and he got voted out for it. Do you actually think giving up and accepting his mis-elim was the optimal play here? Because the reason he got voted was exactly because of that. He was focused more on teasing quick hammers than actually scum hunting.

Also I'm just taking this stance from you as that you're either scum fake vibe checking me, or you're town and admitting that you don't actually know how to read me at all. I'm not nearly this aggressive and active as scum, and I would never try to inject life into a dead game. I also wouldn't ever try to give Enchant a chance to save himself by giving him as many outs as I did.

You're free to show examples comparing my actions this game to past scum games though.

VOTE: Roden
you failed the vibe check

But I do think kyouko hasn’t made much of a splash and might be scum as a result if enchant is town.

?

they can both be scum

Then why are you voting me on vibes and not Kyouko when you scum read her through meta?

Can anyone explain why Moz was the kill here? I don't see a crumb in his ISO, I don't think he made any serious reads, and I don't think he was globally TR'd even.

No idea tbh. Which is probably the point, it's a low info kill in a low info game. Scum probably just got lucky with Mozamis being a PR.

[Roden]

This new meta of self-meta "I would never" needs to quit tbh

It's not self-meta but I can't really get into why.

[Roden]

Then why are you voting me on vibes and not Kyouko when you scum read her through meta?

I didn’t mention meta lol

Isn't this you?

Afaict enchant SR me and kyouko, do you think we’re town? If so why?

I don't see how that's related. How does my read on you and Kyouko have any effect on the fact Enchant is on the chopping block and needs to pursue his scum reads if he's town?

To answer your question though, my suspicion on both of your slots increases the longer this game goes on and as you both continue to not offer content. The fact a universe exists where I have more posts than either of you after Radio Buzz is astonishing and eyebrow-raising.

Has Kyouko finally escaped your Bad Player Jail? Do you have a read on her at all? She put you at E-2 and you didn't even bat an eye.

That was poorly communicated then. And this game is kinda just miserable in terms of being engaged with what’s going on. But I do think kyouko hasn’t made much of a splash and might be scum as a result if enchant is town. Kyouko has kinda gone into parole wrt being in bad player jail.

[Roden]

afaics you're assuming something was implied

This new meta of self-meta "I would never" needs to quit tbh

It's not self-meta but I can't really get into why.

I swear
please just understand the intent behind my posts instead of focusing on slightly differing definitions okay

No offense but I feel like we're on two completely different wave lengths here. Your responses to my posts are really odd. It's like you're talking to an alternate universe version of myself that wrote something different from what I actually wrote.

[Roden]

I'm not saying you're misinterpreting my posts btw. Your responses literally just don't make sense with what I said.

[Roden]

Gamma why do you have enough time to dig through Kyouko's post history but not enough time to respond to my points? You're shading me but not bothering to substantiate what you said.

[Roden]

Or did you just remember a little too late that I'm actually aggressive and will pick apart a shit push when I'm town?

[Roden]

You also pick shit apart as scum

Cool, not what I said. Your push on me is shit, and we both know you'd be at my throat if you actually thought I was scummy. You're usually a very passionate player and I'm seeing none of it here, just half-hearted pushes and unexplained reads.

What I'm thinking happened here is that you thought this would be one of my LHF games and that I'd get mad and freak out if you put pressure on me. The problem though is that you're not committing and instead making it clear that your push on me is unsubstantiated and has zero merit.

[Roden]

Go read the day phase Roden was eliminated in large normal 235 and tell me you don’t see the validity in my approach.

...You mean the scum game where I was set to make end game until I was caught by an invest role who's sole purpose was to find my scum role?

How is getting caught purely through mechanical means in any way indicative of my scum play?

[Roden]

Wait, are you claiming a guilty on me...? If so then lol. I 100% 1v1 that every single time.

VOTE: Gamma

[Roden]

As for actual town motive, how about the fact that I’m not hard-pushing what is presumably a miselim if I’m scum? Instead I’m letting the vagary simmer

That's scum indicative though? What are you even doing here.

I'm so confused by this because you're acting like this is your preferred way to read me, yet we've played together in eight different games now and you've never done this before. We either kinda ignore each other, find each other as town early on after some prodding, or I ping you in some way that leads you to keep up pressure on me. What you're doing now is none of those, and it's disingenuous to act like this is how you typically try to read me, or really ever try to read anyone.

[Roden]

Go read the day phase Roden was eliminated in large normal 235 and tell me you don’t see the validity in my approach.

viewtopic.php?t=87368&f=2&st=0&sk=t&sd= ... er_sort=Go

For whoever's interested.

[Roden]

Wait, are you claiming a guilty on me...? If so then lol. I 100% 1v1 that every single time.

VOTE: Gamma

No, but your reaction is still bad. I was SR you before the guilty because of how flipped scum treated you (a lot of blatant ro3 from 2 new scum players). When I started pushing that was when I got the nasty-ass vibes I’m also getting here from that one post. And honestly when I think of it the thing I’m perceiving becomes very transparent: you’re hyper-defensive.

"Your reaction is bad" is a nothing accusation. I asked you to explain your read and you said no. You then said you purposely made it unsubstantiated. You don't get to make a weak push on me then say I'm reacting poorly and acting hyper defensive when I call you out on your shit.

[Roden]

Why Penguin?

[Roden]

I don't see how that equals scum!Penguin or town!Gamma

[Roden]

Eh, actually Penguin is barely putting in effort so why not, at least for now.

VOTE: Penguin

[Roden]

NM hasn't dipped from the site, just this game. Absent!NM is NAI though, it notably got him mis-elim'd in Scarlet Witch.

[Roden]

Imagine being so desperate to keep the game state as dead quiet as possible that you would immediately shade a comment trying to discuss a player's alignment.

[Roden]

You were the one saying it was NAI but insinuating town?

what?

1) I didn't insinuate anything. I literally gave an example of how it was NAI.

2) What does this have to do with you shading me?

[Roden]

Penguin, can you tell us what's going on in your head? You're the leading wagon and doing nothing about it. Why are you voting Egix? Do you think he's scum? If so, what's your case? If not, why aren't you scum hunting?

You also look like you want to scum read me. Would you prefer to wagon me over Egix? If so, why aren't you voting me? If not, why are you shading me?

[Roden]

1) I didn't insinuate anything. I literally gave an example of how it was NAI.

it notably got him mis-elim'd in Scarlet Witch.

cool cool.

please tell me more about this "not insinuating anything"

I am most eager to hear it.

Penguin can you tell me what NAI means?

[Roden]

Dragging content out of this game is like pulling teeth.

[Roden]

Nice deflection.

I don't really a care that I'm the leading wagon? I already explained why most vote is on Egix. I am scumhunting - it's apparent from almost all of my games how i do so. I don't know how I feel about you but I don't like the recent comment and now deflection. Not shading you - I'm poiting it out.

Cool - we caught up?

Not a deflection, you're allowed to talk about multiple things at once.

VOTE: egix

at least there's competing wagons for the first time this game

This is the only time you mention Egix. I don't see the explanation.

[Roden]

Penguin can you tell me what NAI means?

Probably the neutral position of a miselim

Cool, now explain how to find the neutral position of a mis-elim.

[Roden]

I rlly feel like this is not an argument where both parties are acting in good faith
I am not pre-judging that i's roden acting in bad faith tho

Can you explain?

Also do you plan to respond to my earlier posts? Are you just going to park your vote on me or are you going to play?

[Roden]

It's literaly in the line below the vote....my god

I just really hoped your only reason for voting Egix wasn't to get another wagon going to oppose your own.

[Roden]

Penguin can you tell me what NAI means?

Probably the neutral position of a miselim

Cool, now explain how to find the neutral position of a mis-elim.

By stopping at NAI and not point out the miselim?

Are you for real?

Yes. We're getting very close to seeing eye to eye here.

Now, when someone tells you the behavior of someone that was mis-elim'd, what does that tell you? Are you meant to take that as a town tell? Or just a counter example to perceived scumminess?

[Roden]

Way to spin!

fuck off - it's the weekend and i'm lazy but you're not operating in good faith

VOTE: roden

What a terrible reaction.

[Roden]

I also don't really care if I get mis-elim'd because this game state is miserable, so that isn't really a threat to me. Literally cannot even ask a question without people screaming "bAd FaItH", like dude just play the game and answer some simple questions so I can read you properly.

[Roden]

You literally spun my vote to the incorrect reason despite the stated one and have blatantly acted like an ignoramous. Either you are one or you're acting in bad faith.

But sure - bad reaction on my part. idc.

You don't care yet you're melting down and calling me names.

Also I didn't spin anything? You literally said you were glad there were competing wagons. You happen to be one of them. You voted for the competing one. This is incredibly cut and dry.

I also don't really care if I get mis-elim'd because this game state is miserable, so that isn't really a threat to me. Literally cannot even ask a question without people screaming "bAd FaItH", like dude just play the game and answer some simple questions so I can read you properly.

lol - this is so gross.

Ok.

[Roden]

I rlly feel like this is not an argument where both parties are acting in good faith
I am not pre-judging that i's roden acting in bad faith tho

Can you explain?

Also do you plan to respond to my earlier posts? Are you just going to park your vote on me or are you going to play?

idk if I can put a pin on it rn but something definitely doesn't feel right about y'alls interactions
and idc to respond unless I get something to change the feeling that you're just gonna take what I say and spin it to make me look bad, because I sensed that as your motive in ln 235 and I feel like that's your motive here

I don't like my interactions with Penguin either.

Don't like that you're parroting Penguin's usage of the word "spin" because I haven't done that to either of you.

I'm not trying to make you look bad, I'm just calling you out on your weak push on me. You keep looking back to LN 235 to try to read me now and I keep telling you not only are you incorrect, you're not really explaining what I've done that's reminiscent of my play there and even admitting that you're not.

I feel like if you'd want to find my actual scum tells then you'd look at the rest of my scum games to find common behavior cues and tactics. But I also think you should just know I'm town from my activity alone. I think your push on me is scummy but I'm not married to the idea that you're scum, you're just not giving me much to work with.

[Roden]

Also I didn't spin anything? You literally said you were glad there were competing wagons. You happen to be one of them. You voted for the competing one. This is incredibly cut and dry.

You said I voted egix to soley oppose my own. That is not the truth. That is spin.

I vote to create competing wagons - it happens to be why I'm not going ham against my own. That is you spinning.

Keep it coming. This is good info for after a flip.

What I said isn't incorrect. Do you or do you not want a wagon competing against your own?

[Roden]

lol - i wasn't even pushing you when you started the spin.

Ok.

[Roden]

I. Want. Competing. Wagons.

You said...and I quote (fun feature)

I just really hoped your only reason for voting Egix

wasn't to get another wagon going to oppose your own.

(*Bolding is my own) That's spin. I don't care if was to oppose my own or not. I. Want. Competing. Wagons. If you actually care - see all my games ever.

Do you see the spin? I sure hope so because I worry for you if not.

That's not spin. Answer the question.

[Roden]

yeah nah I'm fine to sit where I'm at and refuse to elaborate further

Cool, lack of content is helpful.

[Roden]

Are you kidding me? You can fuck all the way off for the rest of the game.

Why are you reacting in such an extreme way? Why are you refusing to answer the question?

[Roden]

I'll give content if someone I care to engage with asks for it

That's anti-town as fuck considering that you aren't really engaging with that many people as it is.

[Roden]

Oh hi - I've produced several words explaining why...are you incapable of reading?

Bye.

Answer the question Penguin.

[Roden]

If you don't like the way I do things then you're free to step the fuck up and produce content with the rest of the player list! Just saying!

[Roden]

Or, perhaps you could just shut up and let everyone else talk?

Thoughts.

Do you hear anyone talking though?

^^ Exactly.

[Roden]

Yes.

[Roden]

Okay hold on, this is kind of where it started right.

I would've expected N_M to have chimed in with a "get Penguin to E-1."

Could be an association there I suppose.

it notably got him mis-elim'd in Scarlet Witch.

Quotes 1+2: insinuate NM's absence could be scummy.
Quote 3: counters quotes 1+3 by saying NM being absent has gotten him mislimmed, to demonstrate it is not AI.

Like it was really simple. All of those quotes were on one page how in the world did that blow up.

tbf I missed the galron thing so thanks for that.

...Are you sure about that?

I mean - an absent nm is directly related to Galron's three posts which is why i commented.

No one said anything about alignment.........

[Roden]

A day and a half left to go. Can we please move this game forward?

[Roden]

Can we just elim Penguin already? He's just insulting and talking down to people, he isn't doing anything else. He said he voted Egix because he's "scum hunting" but hasn't even interacted with him. He moved his vote to me to try to start another wagon after trying to misrep me, but when that failed he just went back to voting Egix without another word. He said he wants competing wagons but we're now at EoD and he's done literally nothing with the info he's been given from said wagons.

Egix is similar in that he isn't really doing anything either. So really I'm fine with either. I only prefer Penguin at this point because at least Egix didn't have an AtE meltdown, refuse to answer simple questions, and demand to having competing wagons but then do absolutely nothing with it.

PE: Thanks

[Roden]

I have summoned the Penguin. All it takes is a little

bad

faith.

[Roden]

UNVOTE:

Real talk, what the hell are you doing? If you're trying to have competing wagons to look back on after a flip...then you seem to be playing to get flipped. Why?

[Roden]

Oh.

[Roden]

Dude you literally went silent until I mentioned your name again. You're choosing to interact with me more than anyone else. You're literally refusing to play the gams in the meantime. If you dislike playing with me then you're just TMI'ing that you know I'm town and that I'm not scum trying to mis-elim you.

[Roden]

Like I really don't think I did anything to you that deserves such an overblown reaction. You just sound mad that you couldn't coast by playing passively all game.

[Roden]

Imagine instead of trying to get content out of you I just AtE'd and called you names instead of actually playing the game. But according to you that's apparently a more pleasant mafia experience?

[Roden]

you're just TMI'ing that you know I'm town and that I'm not scum trying to mis-elim you.

How does that work?

He specifically said he dislikes playing with me. This is our only game we've ever played together (excluding potential alts I guess). This heavily implies that he knows I'm not just scum playing to my wincon.

[Roden]

I literally didn't do anything to you. Why don't you think I'm scum playing to my win con?

[Roden]

i do think you are scum! it's why i voted you.

i don't care if you are playing to your wincon like this though.

But you switched your vote to Egix?

What do you mean "like this"?

[Roden]

Yep, seconds before I was about to unvote.

If this flips town then Penguin intentionally threw.

[Roden]

I didn't self hammer.

[Roden]

You could've just voted Egix. You could've scum hunted like you said you would. I don't know what else to call your play today besides intentional throwing if you're town.

[Roden]

Self hammering to avoid a no elim is a fair play.

Not when the wagons were tied and the slightest showcase of WIM could've convinced people to vote the competing wagon.

[Roden]

They wouldn't be talking still if they were scum.

This is just false?

I feel like you exist in a world that is not this one with the things you say have happened.

Nice gaslighting! I really like being told to doubt my own reality over a forum game you refused to participate in!

[Roden]

Like - you either love making shit up or have a serious lack of awareness.

What did I make up?

YOU LITERALLY SAID YOU WANTED COMPETING WAGONS!

[Roden]

If I actually thought you would attempt to understand in good faith, I'd explain further.

But your approach to me strongly indicates that you won't so.......

Nice projection.

[Roden]

If P_P thought Egix was town I think this is better to the alternative of the very likely Egix -> P_P lims.

Scum only has WIFOM to gain by talking after hammer. Usually its best to just shut your trap and not let out more info.


No use talking about it now.

He voted Egix twice. There's no reasonable expectation here to believe that Penguin thought Egix was town.

[Roden]

Dude what the fuck.

What was Penguin's play here? Why did we have two townies in a row self vote instead of just push their scum reads?

What was Meg's play here?? Why didn't they shoot me or Egix??

I know I'm not getting answers right now but I really want to know what the hell was going on in the post game. Penguin especially because by play that should've flipped scum.

[Roden]

Calling it, scum's PR is role cop and they investigated Meg N1.

Idk if that helps at all. Just wanted to call it

I agree with this. Meg pushed Penguin for two days straight, I don't think scum would NK them instead of pressuring them for the mis-elim if they didn't know Meg was PR.

Then again...they did kill Mozamis, who seemed like an easy mis-elim as well. Would it be a feasible strategy to kill suspicious slots in a low info game in order to confuse town?

[Roden]

A50
Egix
Galron
Gamma
NM
NumberQ
Redtea
Roden
Kyouko

Making this list because I didn't see a VC and I need to easily know who's still alive so we can attempt a PoE here.

[Roden]

The only reason I can ascribe to the mozamis kill was scum bet on that being a PR

That makes sense.

Are you still scum reading me?

[Roden]

Votecount:

• PenguinPower (6): Egix96, Roden, MegAzumarill, Almost50, Gamma Emerald, PenguinPower
  Egix96 (2): numberQ, Galron
  numberQ (1): ssbm_Kyouko

I'm doing VC's by hand, please tell me if there are any errors.
Day 2 ends in (expired on 2021-11-18 08:49:01).
With 11 alive it takes 6 to eliminate.

For the record, NM and Redtea were not voting at all at EoD. I'm guessing NM was waiting to hammer but it's still weird that he voted then unvoted Penguin. Redtea voted Egix then also unvoted. Neither were around to vote at EoD and in fact unvoted as we began to run short on time.

[Roden]

Yeah

We ever gonna discuss this?

[Roden]

We can ig
I’ve mostly said what I meant already. There’s a certain feeling I get from you this game, which I can only recall from you in games where you’ve been scum. There’s a certain level of anger you seem to emanate, the best bin I can toss it in would be “scum who feels they’re caught for bad reasons” because that’s pretty much what happened both times I caught you. My reasons weren’t stellar but they caught scum.

Ok, this is something I can actually respond to.

The "anger" I'm feeling here is just frustration for multiple reasons. I'm frustrated that the game state has felt DoA, that townies that I believe to be good players would rather vote themselves than answer basic questions and push their scum reads, and that we've lost all of our PRs and have like zero leads. My frustration with you in particular is that you refused to explain your read, but kept saying I was scum, but also didn't really push me for it. FMPOV it just looks like you're giving a weak read and then coasting in a low activity game.

What particularly gets me though with this explanation is that your meta tell about my anger is just wrong. I replicate it in my scum games, it isn't real, because my "town tell" has in fact always been cited as me getting mad and aggressive. You've been in those exact games as well so this is even more confusing for me. This was very noticeable and thoroughly explained in Chrono Trigger, and my other town games have also shown various levels of it. Scarlet Witch is an irrefutable example.

How did you even come to this conclusion that "anger = scum" when it's always been the complete opposite?

[Roden]

How did you even come to this conclusion that "anger = scum" when it's always been the complete opposite?

Because I feel like there’s a pattern in games where you’re scum of “I push Roden on something > he freaks out about it > he flips scum” so it might just be your base reaction and I’m having a positive feedback loop

I made a point of not doing that this game though?

The reason I've brought up Chrono Trigger/Yakra so much is that I'm pretty sure that was the first completed game we've both been in and would make more sense as your base to read me on since it would've been your first impression. And I don't have any completed games where you've done “I push Roden on something > he freaks out about it > he flips scum”. Which to me just leaves one unfinished game as the only thing you could possibly be referencing for this supposed pattern.

[Roden]

Roden self-voting that game doesn't help.

Not 235 but scarlet witch

Maybe I was too quick to tr Roden.

I'm not following your thought process here.

[Roden]

LN 235, I pushed you because both scum ro3’d you before Nero claimed his result. I just never had to back myself up because the guilty happened.

I...don't remember this? I just remember Nero opening the day telling everyone to vote me and giving zero reasons until I went to bed and I couldn't respond. I got elim'd in my sleep and don't remember interacting much with you at all that game. I'll reread it again because even when I linked the game earlier I didn't notice what you vaguely referenced before.

[Roden]

Why is Arc town? I feel like she’s the other person implicated by flipped scum’s reads alongside Roden

I'm fairly certain flipped scum reads clear me unless you want to suggest the entire scum team was scrambling to bus each other Day 1.

Who is the “lone confirmed townie” to you, Roden?
Atp I think 2 people are actually factually obvtown here at least

DGB is basically conftown through the flips. Dwlee is the only obvtown we have, though I thought I was as well.

I feel like you are
The Meg push helps considerably

Multiple people pushed Mega, including a confirmed scum.

He was on Meg from the very start pretty much
Without him I don’t think Meg would’ve gotten near as much pressure as she ended up getting

So was Shrek, who kept going at Mega even after Nero gave up and tunneled you instead. Nero also was the main driving force on T3 and Cyrus elims, and still thinks you're scum. I'm not sure why you think Nero should be lock town, when from your perspective he's hard pushed for three townies and gave up on pushing two players who eventually flipped red. He even went quiet for both scum elims. Like I can understand town reading him but town locking him just doesn't make sense.

Who is the “lone confirmed townie” to you, Roden?
Atp I think 2 people are actually factually obvtown here at least

DGB is basically conftown through the flips. Dwlee is the only obvtown we have, though I thought I was as well.

You townread me this time

I town read you in the back half of Chrono Trigger too.

Am I correct in saying these are the posts you're referring to Gamma? Because “I push Roden on something > he freaks out about it > he flips scum” doesn't apply here at all, these are pretty calm and rational responses. I don't even see the Ro3 thing here.

[Roden]

Roden self-voting that game doesn't help.

Not 235 but scarlet witch

Maybe I was too quick to tr Roden.

I'm not following your thought process here.

You rage voted yourself in Scarlet Witch, and you blew up at Penguin for doing the same thing.

I think there's a pretty clear difference between getting death tunneled by half the town on page 2, including Guillo's toxic as fuck attacks against me (who btw should've known I was town through role PM flavor!), and Penguin self voting after literally doing nothing for two Days straight and refusing to scum hunt and answer questions. Like you really can't say it's the same situation at all.

Also, what does this have to do with town reading me? Or Gamma's meta case on me?

[Roden]

Really? I note that kind of inconsistency and you ask why that affects my read? I'm not exactly knocking you out of a TR, but it got me to thinking. And I don't know why Gamma's case on you comes up here.

It isn't an inconsistency though, you're ignoring context and just looking at an action in a vacuum. And regardless I don't see how a general inconsistency would make you question a read anyway.

Like, you're telling me you saw me self vote in a previous game and face consequences for it, and thought it was +scum that I would in a later game say self-voting is bad?

[Roden]

VOTE: A50

[Roden]

Am I correct in saying these are the posts you're referring to Gamma? Because “I push Roden on something > he freaks out about it > he flips scum” doesn't apply here at all, these are pretty calm and rational responses. I don't even see the Ro3 thing here.

I’m gonna have to review that game myself then

What exactly does this mean for your meta read on me then? Because if you were scum reading me using a reference you didn't even review beforehand, it means you either pushed an incorrect/lazy meta read on me, or a fake one.

Like, you can understand why I'm frustrated with you here, right?

[Roden]

Subject: Large Normal 235: Large Normal With No Multiball [Game Over]

I reassessed and realized Roden made more sense based on the reads the flipped scum put out

I searched my ISO for mentions of you and this popped up, I’m pretty sure I remember you reacting to this very aggressively saying there was no way your team bussed in that way when it was

exactly

what your team was trying to do. So you basically flipped your shit because I was right about your strategic maneuvering. That’s probably what’s creating the picture I have of your play.

That didn't happen though? I quoted our exchanges from that Day, it was brief and didn't go anywhere. Why won't you just quote what you said I did instead of just giving an anecdote of what you remember?

Subject: Large Normal 235: Large Normal With No Multiball [Game Over]

Why is Arc town? I feel like she’s the other person implicated by flipped scum’s reads alongside Roden

I'm fairly certain flipped scum reads clear me unless you want to suggest the entire scum team was scrambling to bus each other Day 1.

Wasn’t in direct response but you did try to act innocent while having your hand caught in the cookie jar.

Ok...? That seems to indicate that your entire meta read on me is just wrong then. You've stated your meta read was based off that game, and that my scum tell is a certain vibe of anger I give off, but there are literally zero examples that showcase this. You also claimed my behavior WRT you in that game was similarly indicative in this game, but I'm not seeing it and you're not showing it.

I haven’t actually looked at that game yet

It's the entire reason you said you scum read me though...? Why didn't you read the thread even once to secure your case on me?

[Roden]

VOTE: Almost50
On top of what Galron put forth, he was on both miselims so I wanna ask him why he voted where he has this game

So was Roden

^ Just FTR ^

Do you have a reason for making this specific appeal to Gamma?

[Roden]

You answer first.

[Roden]

no u

I believe this is called an impasse.

[Roden]

I believe it's called "silly questions beg for silly answers". Like, seriously, what was the purpose of your question? Someone votes me and provides a reason that also applies to someone else, so I point out the conf!bias in their reasoning. What's so hard to grasp about it when I had even quoted the post I was responding to?

If I wanted to be annoying I could just say Why Me Fry Me and leave it at that.

I asked you that question because to me it looks like you're trying to appeal to Gamma about me after he's notably been gunning for me for the majority of this game. Like you and I were not the only two on the wagon, yet you only mention me and you mention me specifically to someone who's most likely to confbias me. You're voting Egix but then shading me.

[Roden]

Why am I( not being wagoned in this game?? I haven't done anything remotely beneficial and I have no clue on DAY TWO. Kinda feel intrigued tbh.

Also this post is a thing that exists.

[Roden]

I was going to wait to get prodded to make a point of letting everyone else talk, but now I think that would just be rude and pointless.

VOTE: NumberQ

Let's just sheep Kyo and hope she's right.

[Roden]

I don't even know why numberQ is being wagoned. I also notice that Roden and Galron moved there after having been on me. What's the deal with this? And why is N_M already voting (rather than the usual "wait for the lol!hammer")?

Can I do literally anything this game without somebody complaining about it

Like A50 do you think we have any leads whatsoever? Can we genuinely scum read anyone when less than half the players are even posting and literally every single person under pressure just chooses to roll over and die instead of pushing their scum reads? RH9 just got here yet they've added more content than some players who've been here since Day 1.

All I can do is vote and see how people react because literally nothing else is working. I can't even question people without them shutting down or acting like scum hunting is inherently toxic and that I need to stop talking. It took me almost two entire weeks to figure out what the fuck Gamma's read on me was, and even then he just replaced out afterwards anyway so it didn't even matter.

[Roden]

I don't even know why numberQ is being wagoned. I also notice that Roden and Galron moved there after having been on me. What's the deal with this? And why is N_M already voting (rather than the usual "wait for the lol!hammer")?

Can I do literally anything this game without somebody complaining about it

Like A50 do you think we have any leads whatsoever? Can we genuinely scum read anyone when less than half the players are even posting and literally every single person under pressure just chooses to roll over and die instead of pushing their scum reads? RH9 just got here yet they've added more content than some players who've been here since Day 1.

All I can do is vote and see how people react because literally nothing else is working. I can't even question people without them shutting down or acting like scum hunting is inherently toxic and that I need to stop talking. It took me almost two entire weeks to figure out what the fuck Gamma's read on me was, and even then he just replaced out afterwards anyway so it didn't even matter.

First: I wasn't complaining. I was asking for an explanation, which you seem to have provided in your third paragraph. Maybe you could have typed that one first, but I understand sometimes one feels like letting out some of the mental pressure.

Second: I agree we don't have many leads. However, I still don't know WHY numberQ in particular. Why get the guy to E-1 "just to see what happens"?

Third: Based on #2, why won't you switch your vote to Egix at this time?

NumberQ just got picked because Kyo pushed a scum read there and I wanted to get people talking. I consider it a good move because it got Q talking quite a bit and gave us more to work with in order to read him. His accusation against me that I coordinated a wagon on him in a PT was so reactionary and paranoid that it basically made him town tell.

I didn't switch my vote yet because honestly I kinda just didn't want to play the past couple days. And everyone else was talking a lot so I wanted to see how it would go.

[Roden]

I don't think RH9 is scum just due to the sheer amount of effort he's put in already + Gamma was finally beginning to give me town vibes before he replaced out.

I think I want to boot NM at this point. Egix brought up a good point earlier:

I tried re-reading the game, but it's just bleh. I don't see any reason to vote Egix other than he was the Counterwagon.

I did find one post where A50 was solving.

I'm not understanding why numberQ listed himself as scum in his reads list but I don't know that scum actually does that.

I wasn't real hip on Roden's post about having to force conversation, but

I don't see much reason to scum read him

and I think he came out townie at EOD2.

Redtea I thought might be scum, but I don't think scum loses track of the votes on Gamma Emerald.

I need to figure out where that leaves my POE.

I think the only way we figure this out is if we run some people up, and that's one of the reasons I voted A50.

2. Yeah I think I saw it too.
3. I always thought that was just a joke tbf.
4. Agreed with bolded. Also I think I might be able to clear him for top-posting, since although he did post a lot as scum in my recent Newbie game, he was 5th overall.
5. You don't think they could've just lied about that?
7. Yeah, I'm feeling like this might be one of those situations where we need to yeet a low-content slot in order to prepare for Elo.
Starting with:
VOTE: NotMafia

I'm actually very surprised that he has managed to last this long without being scrutinised despite having so little content.

It's really is weird that he's gone this far with so little attention, plus the weird play of actually trying to push out Q instead of going for the quick hammer. He's playing to elim whoever he can and seeing how long he can get away it.

VOTE: NotMafia

[Roden]

I don't think RH9 is scum just due to the sheer amount of effort he's put in already + Gamma was finally beginning to give me town vibes before he replaced out.

I think I want to boot NM at this point. Egix brought up a good point earlier:

I tried re-reading the game, but it's just bleh. I don't see any reason to vote Egix other than he was the Counterwagon.

I did find one post where A50 was solving.

I'm not understanding why numberQ listed himself as scum in his reads list but I don't know that scum actually does that.

I wasn't real hip on Roden's post about having to force conversation, but

I don't see much reason to scum read him

and I think he came out townie at EOD2.

Redtea I thought might be scum, but I don't think scum loses track of the votes on Gamma Emerald.

I need to figure out where that leaves my POE.

I think the only way we figure this out is if we run some people up, and that's one of the reasons I voted A50.

2. Yeah I think I saw it too.
3. I always thought that was just a joke tbf.
4. Agreed with bolded. Also I think I might be able to clear him for top-posting, since although he did post a lot as scum in my recent Newbie game, he was 5th overall.
5. You don't think they could've just lied about that?
7. Yeah, I'm feeling like this might be one of those situations where we need to yeet a low-content slot in order to prepare for Elo.
Starting with:
VOTE: NotMafia

I'm actually very surprised that he has managed to last this long without being scrutinised despite having so little content.

It's really is weird that he's gone this far with so little attention, plus the weird play of actually trying to push out Q instead of going for the quick hammer. He's playing to elim whoever he can and seeing how long he can get away it.

VOTE: NotMafia

I want you to justify 807

I did. It was the post right before the one you quoted.

[Roden]

[snip]

NumberQ just got picked because Kyo pushed a scum read there and I wanted to get people talking. I consider it a good move because it got Q talking quite a bit and gave us more to work with in order to read him. His accusation against me that I coordinated a wagon on him in a PT was so reactionary and paranoid that it basically made him town tell.

I didn't switch my vote yet because honestly I kinda just didn't want to play the past couple days. And everyone else was talking a lot so I wanted to see how it would go.

I don't think it was just paranoia/reaction. Imo the theory is quite sound. Buuuuut it is contingent on Egix being scum, and I'm starting to be convinced that he's not.

UNVOTE: Egix

---

RH9, have you played in many games before? I was looking through your post history and it looks like you've spectated a lot, but I didn't see one where you actually played except for the Newbie on your wiki page. I didn't look through your entire posting history though.

Maybe it's just my perspective, but I just don't see the alleged coordination. We both just voted, I don't think discussing that in a PT beforehand is really required for that.

[Roden]

Has Kyouko been prodded btw? She's been gone for several days now.

[Roden]

VOTE: RH9
E-1

Are you scum

[Roden]

I can only defend myself and prove my townie-ness for so long before the last of my mental energy gets sapped away.

[Roden]

Deadline is almost here. Who's going?

[Roden]

GG, town finished strong with three scum elims in a row. I'm still surprised I got NK'd when town convinced themselves I was bussing NM lol. It makes me interested in seeing the mafia PT later, especially since the first two NKs were crazy good and I want to see how you guys figured out the PRs.

[Roden]

GG, town finished strong with three scum elims in a row. I'm still surprised I got NK'd when town convinced themselves I was bussing NM lol. It makes me interested in seeing the mafia PT later, especially since the first two NKs were crazy good and I want to see how you guys figured out the PRs.

Basically we chose mozamis because it would be a low-info kill and they just so happened to be pr.
Azu was because I had a fairly tight poe for the other pr (which I was presuming to be doc at the time) and simply chose right between them and a50.

GG, town finished strong with three scum elims in a row. I'm still surprised I got NK'd when town convinced themselves I was bussing NM lol. It makes me interested in seeing the mafia PT later, especially since the first two NKs were crazy good and I want to see how you guys figured out the PRs.

the kills were both intended as lowest possible info kills

Lol, that worked out surprisingly well this game.