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Hey working right now will read later.
Can someone say who they absolutely want in the coalition please? Only one name allowed no naming yourself.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Interesting. I am curious as to why.In post 478, cyrus62 wrote:who i dont want in is ssbm and yessir no replace will convice me a man convice agesnt his will . will death tunnel.
This also doesn’t answer who you do want in your coalition.
Would you accept any coalition that did not have me and Kyo?
This is an odd way of dodging my question. There’s a reason I am asking it like this.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Ignore the not answering sorryIn post 479, MathBlade wrote:
Interesting. I am curious as to why.In post 478, cyrus62 wrote:who i dont want in is ssbm and yessir no replace will convice me a man convice agesnt his will . will death tunnel.
This also doesn’t answer who you do want in your coalition.
Would you accept any coalition that did not have me and Kyo?
This is an odd way of dodging my question. There’s a reason I am asking it like this.
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Here’s a thought I had about the setup while my build loads:
Aim for a coalition of 5 town.
But we should also vote for the last Townie of the 5 in that coalition for elimination.
Reason being is that if it’s all 5 town we win so we don’t care if we elim a townie
But if we don’t win then we narrow the scum to 1 in 4 or 2 in 4 at day start.
This forces scum to shoot in the PoE outside the towniest we already declared or have a 1 in 3 or 2 in 3 shot of elimming scum.
Agree or disagree and thoughts?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Did I misread the setup in that we have a coalition and then elim happens the same time of the coalition?In post 483, Farren wrote:Agree that we aim for a coalition of five Town.
Agree that we eliminate inside the Coalition if it fails.
Not sure if you were advocating for setting up a hammer before the Coalition passes (so that it processes instantly in the event of a Coalition failure); if you were, I'd disagree with that. We still want a chance to get reactions from people both inside and outside the Coalition if it fails, and I don't see the gain in passing this up.
I am not advocating for an immediate hammer should it happen. Ideally if it fails we get communication time.
I personally do not care if I am on or off the coalition. While the instant win is nice I find it’s kinda scummy to demand to be on the coalition due to scum needing at least one person on it.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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What I find interesting is a lot of one word answers to my question rather than actively advocating for why the player they picked should be on the coalition without explanation. Not sure what it means yet but that seems telling.
Pedit: Agreed. I will ask redtea after work about what happens to the elim after the coalition fails and if we get discussion time or not.
If we do we might want to Ram through a coalition ASAP of initial townreads and see if we win. If we don’t then the excluded 4 players are at least 3 town if not all 4.
So means we have a deep wolf in our initial impressions.
Yes instantly winning is good but I don’t think that should be the goal.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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My point of this is it’s more important that a coalition resolves than it being the coalition you exactly want.
Not being given a split at all is worse than having it fail because then it’s a 7v2 mountainous and that’s brutal.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Cool then sounds like an I derped on rules reading thing.In post 488, Farren wrote:
Elimination happens on D1 as soon as there's a hammer, unless the Coalition hasn't formed yet. (pretty sure that's right - regardless, we don't want to be casting any hammer votes pre-Coalition if it's wrong either.)In post 484, MathBlade wrote:Did I misread the setup in that we have a coalition and then elim happens the same time of the coalition?
I am not advocating for an immediate hammer should it happen. Ideally if it fails we get communication time.
And I'm positive that we will have discussion time as long as we don't hammer anyone - and have time left on the clock. The clock doesn't reset on a Coalition failure, so we won't want to wait to the last minute to approve a Coalition.
PEdit> and yes, under no circumstances do we want to *not* make a Coalition. Better to have one fail than skip it entirely.
Now on the last VC it’s kinda hard to read but it looks like no one has been added to the coalition yet right?
I am expressing intent to vote for every person who has the highest amount of votes to be in the coalition after work.
Based on what has happened so far I am thinking this might shake up stuff and then we can see who doesn’t want that group to go and why.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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We do but then only a few days for elim.In post 489, Pavowski wrote:
100% concur with this but we are in no danger of not forming a coalition at this point. Lots of time, yetIn post 487, MathBlade wrote:My point of this is it’s more important that a coalition resolves than it being the coalition you exactly want.
Not being given a split at all is worse than having it fail because then it’s a 7v2 mountainous and that’s brutal.
I’d rather win or fail as fast as possible then more time if we are wrong for an elim.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Ugh that’s…confusing lol.
I volunteer to be out of the coalition then unless someone wants me in it. Apparently if Cyrus is town my slot done goofed somehow so I don’t mind being outside of it. Then we have it down to 8 unless someone actively wants me in it.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I thought you said we didn’t have a coalition ergo no one is in anything?In post 496, Pavowski wrote:
(This is town btw unless we already done goofed and have scum in there)In post 495, MathBlade wrote:Ugh that’s…confusing lol.
I volunteer to be out of the coalition then unless someone wants me in it. Apparently if Cyrus is town my slot done goofed somehow so I don’t mind being outside of it. Then we have it down to 8 unless someone actively wants me in it.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Yup. Pretty much assuming this post is factually accurate what I would do. Then can see if there’s scum in the majorly townread players or not.In post 497, Farren wrote:
Since this list, Nathann and I have been healed once each - so Mathblade's proposed Coalition based on what he said earlier would be cyrus, Pavowski, Save The dragons, and two of (me / Nathann / Hakai).In post 464, redtea wrote:Pavowski - (9)
cyrus62 - (9)
Save The Dragons - (7)
Nathann - (3)
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Hakai - (4)
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Enchant - (0)ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Interesting what makes you say that? I am not for or against that having not read but I find it odd that is already hard locked considering you’re not in it.In post 502, Farren wrote:Yeah. Realistically, cyrus and Pavowski are going to be in whatever ends up forming. Save The Dragons is almost certainly going to be in it as well. The last two slots are more open to debate.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Okay noted so?In post 503, Farren wrote:
One thing to note: those numbers also include your predecessor's Coalition choices.In post 499, MathBlade wrote:Yup. Pretty much assuming this post is factually accurate what I would do. Then can see if there’s scum in the majorly townread players or not.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Not really. I am going to verify what was said was true then vote.
My votes will move accordingly based on who is the most popular for the coalition.
Whether my predecessor agreed or disagreed with that approach is irrelevant.
I am not looking to insta win I am looking for the scenario most advantageous long term for us.
I find it very unlikely public agreement will happen between 5 people who are town and believe they are town.
I fully expect the coalition to fail but if it wins happy times.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I was yes because I don’t have any reads right now and I figured that would (in combination with reading) get the purest reads possible. I am better with mechanics than reads so I was going to. Include my predecessors.In post 508, Farren wrote:It's not what your predecessor thought of the approach that matters here.
It's more: are you considering your predecessor's opinions towards the consensus when calculating what the consensus is?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Nah I don’t think we should.In post 509, Pavowski wrote:
It's for this reason I don't want us to go from 5 separate vote-sets to 5 identical ones in rapid succession. We should take our time.In post 507, MathBlade wrote:Not really. I am going to verify what was said was true then vote.
My votes will move accordingly based on who is the most popular for the coalition.
Whether my predecessor agreed or disagreed with that approach is irrelevant.
I am not looking to insta win I am looking for the scenario most advantageous long term for us.
I find it very unlikely public agreement will happen between 5 people who are town and believe they are town.
I fully expect the coalition to fail but if it wins happy times.
That said, Cyrus and I have an identical set right now, and a couple others have several people in common.
I think instantly winning is a pipe dream and the more time we have for an elim the better.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Sounds fine to me. Just I would say leave it for no more than 48 for discussion time. If someone doesn’t object within prod range they don’t care enough to. (Exception if anyone is VLA we look at their posting and see if they would)In post 513, Pavowski wrote:
Way I figure it, we get it close to a coalition and leave it for 24, 48 hours, see who gets squirmyIn post 511, MathBlade wrote:
Nah I don’t think we should.In post 509, Pavowski wrote:
It's for this reason I don't want us to go from 5 separate vote-sets to 5 identical ones in rapid succession. We should take our time.In post 507, MathBlade wrote:Not really. I am going to verify what was said was true then vote.
My votes will move accordingly based on who is the most popular for the coalition.
Whether my predecessor agreed or disagreed with that approach is irrelevant.
I am not looking to insta win I am looking for the scenario most advantageous long term for us.
I find it very unlikely public agreement will happen between 5 people who are town and believe they are town.
I fully expect the coalition to fail but if it wins happy times.
That said, Cyrus and I have an identical set right now, and a couple others have several people in common.
I think instantly winning is a pipe dream and the more time we have for an elim the better.
No sense not trying for the d1 win.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Why do you dislike what’s going on?
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I am kinda thinking Cyrus might be scum here.
I don’t see a reason for objection here unless I am missing something?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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This latest development. I just clocked out and plan on reading but I don’t see why Cyrus removes Pav from their coalition and then when I ask why doesn’t explain. The only thing we’ve done is explain a plan for the coalition and I see nothing objectionable from Pav.In post 520, Pavowski wrote:
Do you mean for the thread at large or for this latest development?In post 519, MathBlade wrote:I am kinda thinking Cyrus might be scum here.
I don’t see a reason for objection here unless I am missing something?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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It’s cool if Cyrus disagrees and explains why but I see nothing meriting you from it.
So I find Cyrus sus for doing so.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Meir it if removing you from it*In post 522, MathBlade wrote:It’s cool if Cyrus disagrees and explains why but I see nothing meriting you from it.
So I find Cyrus sus for doing so.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Great minds think alike?In post 524, Pavowski wrote:It's kinda what I thought might happen if we did what I said in 513
Only way ahead of schedule
Looking forward to Cyrus’s explanation while I read.
Gut feeling Kyo is scum if Cyrus is due to wanting Kyo off wagon.
(I reserve the right to change any gut feelings based on reading)ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I have no idea of the context of his play?In post 526, Pavowski wrote:
Then again it *is* CyrusIn post 524, Pavowski wrote:It's kinda what I thought might happen if we did what I said in 513
Only way ahead of schedule
What does this mean?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Sounds fun. You should do itIn post 527, Pavowski wrote:
Careful, there, cowboy, or I'll start townreading your slot againIn post 525, MathBlade wrote:Great minds think alike?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Again for those in the back. I literally do not care about who is in it as long as we have a coalition quickly.In post 533, cyrus62 wrote:
this reads as in tmi. As if you know for a fact you already know your partner is in the 5.In post 507, MathBlade wrote:Not really. I am going to verify what was said was true then vote.
My votes will move accordingly based on who is the most popular for the coalition.
Whether my predecessor agreed or disagreed with that approach is irrelevant.
I am not looking to insta win I am looking for the scenario most advantageous long term for us.
I find it very unlikely public agreement will happen between 5 people who are town and believe they are town.
I fully expect the coalition to fail but if it wins happy times.
Why did you ignore my question about unvoting Pav in your coalition?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I will end up my coalition in the AM. I had something come up and it’s close to bed I just wanted to catch up.In post 536, Farren wrote:Modifying redtea's list with this change:
cyrus62 - (9)
Pavowski - (8)
Save The Dragons - (7 >>> 6)
Nathann - (4 >>> 5)
Farren - (4 >>> 5)
Hakai - (4 >>> 3)
MathBlade - (2)
ssbm_Kyouko - (2)
Enchant - (0)ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Again who cares?In post 539, cyrus62 wrote:
this sucks. I do not agree with this 5. I think that five has scum in it,In post 535, Farren wrote:HURT: All
HEAL: Farren
HEAL: cyrus62
HEAL: Pavowski
HEAL: Nathann
HEAL: ssbm_kyouko
Back to read order. Mathblade's on the border of my Coalition.
Imho if scum is in it is not a good reason to veto a coalition imho.
It should be if you think the scum in it would survive to end game.
Because if you think the scum in it gets eliminated day one if scum then the risk is rather minimal.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Good thing I am not scum and angling for trust.In post 546, cyrus62 wrote:MathBlade’s* play comes ass lamest shallow even. Hasn't given us any reason to trust him. And I already scum read yessir
I am angling to pigeonhole scum.
Scum care about the composition.
I would like an all town team but I would much rather have a good feeling about majority of people then if I disagree on one universally TRd person fine because then they’re probably elimmed.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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This is still correct. I will swap in the AMIn post 549, Farren wrote:Not going to switch now. But I will point this out - aimed at the group, not cyrus specifically.
Mathblade's said he'll heal the five most healed people. Right now, that is: cyrus62, Pavowski, Save The Dragons, Nathann, me. That is also both Nathann's and Save The Dragons's current Coalition, which (assuming Mathblade doesn't change his mind AND no one changes the balance) will make 3/5 votes for a Coalition.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I will have to catch up on that but scum her does have an agenda if partnered with Nathan or if it’s just busy work to look like reads. Will have to see what shakes out.In post 560, Farren wrote:
She probably would have wigged me out a few games ago.In post 555, Save The Dragons wrote:Why doesn't kyouko wig you out, farren?
Town doesn't know the answers. Scum does. Town's supposed to tell the truth; scum's supposed to lie. So logically, the ones who are overly confident - and shouldn't be - are the ones to watch out for.
Except for some players, that's not the way it works. I don't know why - but I've seen it too often to be able to deny it.
Right now, her agenda - and this should not be taken to mean 'scum agenda' - seems to revolve around keeping Nathann out. I don't see that being much benefit to scum|her, given that she's got low odds of making it into the Coalition. It doesn't feel fake to me; feels real, even if I disagree with it.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Regarding setup thoughts and the history I am genuinely surprised by that. Whenever I play games that rely on a huge townblock as any alignment it’s usually ended up in a deep wolf. So yay? I usually don’t play opens though so have little experience with this setup.In post 571, Nathann wrote:Also for the record (since there's talk in adding more votes to the Coalition I'm currently voting), I'm rethinking both Farren and Save The Dragon's positions in it. Maybe Save The Dragon's moreso. But I'm not sure if I even have anyone to replace them with. MathBlade is a potential candidate (pending on his thoughts once he actually reads the game or at least some parts of it), but the other three... Still thinking Hakai is Scummy, and both Kyouko and Enchant are also acting Scummy, and while I have some weird gut thoughts they might be Townie (mostly because the things they're doing feel nonsensical for Scum), they're definitely not trying to actually act like it, which uh. Complicates things a bit.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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HURT: All prior coalition votesIn post 528, redtea wrote:
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.
Deadline: (expired on 2021-10-09 19:48:54)
Reminder that the countdown has resumed for those who might've missed it.
HEAL: Pav
HEAL: StD
HEAL: cyrus (even though I think he is scum)
HEAL: Farren
HEAL: NathannScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Nathann is probably town. I liked the pushback on some of my thoughts. Very much evidence based rather than “but I wanna do my own silly thing based”.In post 579, Pavowski wrote:Math I know you're still catching up but when you can, I want to hear your thoughts on nathann and Hakai.
No opinion on Hakai yet but I find it interesting that I am somehow linked to that slot.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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This is disgusting.In post 70, cyrus62 wrote:@nathann unvote your self to show me I can work with youScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Interesting…you somehow get from here to me and Kyo not in a coalition.In post 85, cyrus62 wrote:I do not trust enchant or feral. I can't shake a nagging feeling that std isn't town.
This means you likely have your buddy in there as well which explains the drastic Unvote when I explained the coalition idea. So I am guessing we have a very likely all town off coalition at this point.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Need more from STD. Cyrus +STD top theory atmIn post 94, Save The Dragons wrote:Theres not enough information to get a read on meScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Yet no Hakai vote in coalition despite being first town read? Explain.In post 111, cyrus62 wrote:Oh my god am I real being town read with in 5 pages I think I'm going die from shock. @hakai how do you know my scum range ? How do you know my town range? How can you be so sure I am town. I could just be scum . Willing to work with town to look like I'm town. That said of is my 1st town read.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Pav and I are mind melding so prob town left off hereIn post 154, Pavowski wrote:Catching up on the day. Long one at work.
No real opinion yet.In post 100, Nathann wrote:
Is this a "I don't have an opinion yet" or "I have a negative opinion"? If it's the latter, I'm interested in hearing about it.In post 80, Pavowski wrote:And I'm not sure about Nathann yet.
In post 122, Save The Dragons wrote:i think reading me is like a fine wine it gets better with ageUgh does this mean I have to townread STD now too? Up is down
Locking in at this point is a mistake, but probably a town oneIn post 125, cyrus62 wrote:I lock in my 5.
This is at least 3/5s of a good list
The hell is this.In post 147, cyrus62 wrote:Truth is I didn't want to be in any ones 5. Since if the 5 fail we will be looking at them more closely.
I have to remind myself that trying to make sense of Cyrus is an exercise in frustration and hair lossScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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You're wrong when it's rightIn post 168, Save The Dragons wrote:You're hot then you're cold
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Still thinking Cyrus + STDScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Kyo where are your wordy word words?In post 187, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Hesitant to add either of cyrus or pavowski because of their popularity so far. Heals seem to be given to them easily, probably because they've talked a lot is the feeling I've gotten. Hakai, what are you feeling from Cyrus that feels out of his scumrange?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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That’s assuming it fails yes.In post 200, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:If someone does not vote themselves into the coalition in this game it is against the town wincon and serves the scum wincon.
Consider the numbers - there are 9 of us, it is 7-2. Vote yourself into the coalition. There are 3 scenarios:
0 scum: Town wins. Yay!
1-2 scum: from each town player's POV, there is at least 1 scum inside a pool of 4 where town has 3 muslims available. If there is only 1 scum, you get 3 shots to hit scum where eliminating randomly you have a 75% chance of hitting scum in those 3 eliminations (probability is 1 minus the chance of hitting town 3 times in a row, so 1 - (3/4 * 2/3 * 1/2), cancel out the fractions you get 1 - 1/4, or 3/4, or 75%.
And that's the worst case. There's a chance there are 2 scum in the coalition which makes it a 100% chance to hit 1 scum in the first 3 eliminations from a town POV.
Players avoiding the coalition are avoiding the thunderdome and are playing to the scum wincon, which is to send a sacrificial goat to the coalition and have a deepwolf outside to close the game.
I am more for using the coalition to see if the popular vibes are correct. If we get 5 town awesome but if we fail then the excluded become the voice of reason.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Kyo is town. Give me more of the wordy word goodness.In post 216, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Just throwing townreads to whoever is willing to work with you is not going to find you 5 town.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Your reads suck but you’re town. Kyo is town here imhoIn post 240, Hakai wrote:
And if you're scum then the coalition fails.In post 194, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
Because when I'm town it is obvious so I'm a good candidate for the coalition regardless of my.alignment. easy to catch if scum, easy to clear if town.In post 189, cyrus62 wrote:Won't heal ebbs only person to ask to be in the five like 3 post why should we trust your town.
VOTE: kyoIn post 195, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
Implying I will feel town later?In post 193, Pavowski wrote:
Kinda sorta feel the same, but they're only a couple posts deep.In post 191, Save The Dragons wrote:something about ssbm's posts bother me
The good thing about this is round 1 isn't necessarily about finding scum, it's about finding town.
Ssbm doesn't feel town yet.
This is literally shading someone over their choice of words.
Slightly +town for this observation.In post 196, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Also I'm pondering hakai's comment on Cyrus scumrange. Going to check back to owner's market blitz. It had a similar town-finding mechanic where players elected a market owner as well as voted for an elim on D1.
While this is a valid mech observation it also relies on you being town.In post 200, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:If someone does not vote themselves into the coalition in this game it is against the town wincon and serves the scum wincon.
Consider the numbers - there are 9 of us, it is 7-2. Vote yourself into the coalition. There are 3 scenarios:
0 scum: Town wins. Yay!
1-2 scum: from each town player's POV, there is at least 1 scum inside a pool of 4 where town has 3 muslims available. If there is only 1 scum, you get 3 shots to hit scum where eliminating randomly you have a 75% chance of hitting scum in those 3 eliminations (probability is 1 minus the chance of hitting town 3 times in a row, so 1 - (3/4 * 2/3 * 1/2), cancel out the fractions you get 1 - 1/4, or 3/4, or 75%.
And that's the worst case. There's a chance there are 2 scum in the coalition which makes it a 100% chance to hit 1 scum in the first 3 eliminations from a town POV.
Players avoiding the coalition are avoiding the thunderdome and are playing to the scum wincon, which is to send a sacrificial goat to the coalition and have a deepwolf outside to close the game.
Oops.In post 208, Farren wrote:
That's showing me healing you, not you healing me.In post 202, Hakai wrote:@mod I never healed FarrenWhy?
This observation seems more likely to come from town.In post 224, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
Alright idk if scum jokes about this immediately after I call it out. I think Pav was scum in Dead Silence but that was a lolgame and I learned nothing. Leaning town here possibly.In post 218, Pavowski wrote:Yet
VOTE: Nathann/v]
It's not a lie, I've played many games with her. The only problem is that scum Kyo doesn't really get scumread unless you know her meta.In post 235, Farren wrote:
Breaking one's meta - even when aware of it - is easier said than done. Especially as scum. It's not impossible, but it is challenging. Especially over the long haul.In post 233, Save The Dragons wrote:seems pretty NAI especially if someone is aware of their meta
could also just be a complete lie
The complete lie is certainly possible - although if it is a lie, it's one that could be disproven with a solid meta-dive. Would be pretty risky at this point - it's early enough in the game that there's plenty of time to metadive her and disprove it, if it's false.
Thinking about it, I actually have a lot of experience with everyone in this playerlist except yessiree and Farren.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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And look at who is trying to claim themselves as the voice of reason.In post 328, cyrus62 wrote:Save the dragons is right I play mafia the same way I live I post what's ever on my mind . But I also try to get town fighting each other so I can be the voice of reason lol.
This reads very much like truthtelling scum.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Convince me she’s scum. She’s the second player I have mind melded with.In post 337, cyrus62 wrote:Convice me ssbm is town.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I believe you’re scum.In post 353, cyrus62 wrote:I'm telling you lot I am scum gee how many times do I have to say it.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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How do we vote for an extension? PM?In post 380, redtea wrote:In post 293, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:@mod, what happens if a Coalition is not locked in by deadline? Is plurality in effect, or does no Coalition occur?No coalition occurs and the game continues as a mountainous, same as if a coalition fails. Will update the rules to clear this up.
If a majority of players want an extension I can grant one though.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Again I lack a plan. Halfway jokingly debating giving you what you want as the coalition. Majority of the game townreads you imho incorrectly.In post 605, cyrus62 wrote:truth is if math is town he . he is bloody awful at it. if he is scum he is good at it and getting him or ssbm in the 5 seems to be his plan then he plans on blameing the others for it failing.
Either A we win or B you put me in the Thunderdome and we 1v1 or C you keep me out of it and I tunnel you. None of this seems bad to me.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Kinda curious where I know Hakai from. I don’t remember playing with HakaiScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I mean like duh but just more curiosity.In post 613, Save The Dragons wrote:hakai is an alt that claims to know us all
I wish them fun and alt hunting is bad but I am curious.
I just wish I had better town games on MS.
On other sites I am good town and scum.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Kyo’s mechanics seem to come from a Townie mindset I like what she’s doing there.In post 615, Nathann wrote:Math, what do you find Townie/mindmeldy about Kyouko and Hakai? Because the two of them are (right now, at least) the two I absolutely want to keep out of my Coalition, and I would like to know if I am wrong on that.
Hakai while I disagree with the reads seems genuine and I can see the townieness.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Just because a setup is open doesn’t mean people can’t have thoughts about it.In post 617, Nathann wrote:This is a simple open setup, there's not much in mechanics this game that Scum couldn't replicate. Why do you find that worthy of a Townread?
And also, like, I can't see the genuineness from Hakai, that's why I am asking. :/
I am going to make an extreme suggestion to make a point.
Say a setup has a rule where there’s scum in one of two players.
More than likely just elim both is the right way to go.
But someone else could make the argument that’s a bad idea.
Generally you elim within a 50/50.
We have had several discussions regarding mechanics and hers matched my thoughts.
And I don’t know how to explain it but I feel it.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I did finish.In post 622, Nathann wrote:I'm gonna give Math a chance to finish reading the game and to then give thoughts, but I would be lying if I said I got a good feeling from anything I've read from him (irl) today. Which contrasts the earlier read I had, but hmm... Game hard.
If you don’t like me then don’t put me in the coalition.
I am town then the coalition likely fails and we demonstrate that I am likely town.
I fail to see the problem here.
Cyrus is scum who has not answered my questions several times now.
Then he goes off about a “trap”.
I literally do not care who goes in. I am hoping we win but expecting it to fail long as Cyrus is in it.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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1. Hakai townIn post 625, Nathann wrote:Okay, can you tl;dr your reads then, please? You've expressed some but not all I believe.
The issue is that I would very much like to win via the Coalition.
2. Pavowski town
3. cyrus62 scum
4. Enchant town by the fact no one mentions hardly at all
5. ssbm_Kyouko town
6. Save The Dragons scum
7. Nathann town
8. Farren town
9. MathBlade yessiree town
If I am wrong in a read probably in the quieter players except Exchant. He’s too not mentioned to be scum.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I called Cyrus scum before that point.In post 632, Save The Dragons wrote:do you really see scum!cyrus being like
cyrus: "i'm scum."
mathblade: "I'm calling you out on that"
cyrus: YOU ACTIVATED MY BIG BRAIN TRAP HURT ALL SHAKES HEAD GO AHEAD PUT MATH AND SSBM ON A COALITION SEE WHAT HAPPNES NOT MY FAULTScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Already did when I was catching up.In post 634, Save The Dragons wrote:
someone else should ask this MB probably going to write me off as scum and ignore me for the rest of the gameIn post 633, Save The Dragons wrote:have you given a reason why i'm scum yet MB
You seem partnered with Cyrus.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
GTKAS -- MathBlade-
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MathBlade He/HimTechnical SupportHe/Him
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