Open 825 - PYP X/Y: HoS_S [game over!]

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I think penguin's SS vote & unvote yesterday makes him town.

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Wait your N1 action failed too?

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I hope this explains why I’ve played so restrained this game and why I was pissy over not claiming yet with S_S. :>

Is there a point of outing them right now or can I keep waiting a bit? I’ve been trying to see where people would push but this game is dead so I don’t mind getting a little wild, we have a pool of four left so it might just be worth it.

Aren't you worried about dying tho

It actually worries me that you're not worried

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Bee was thinking about not outing her innos today. There's no reason to do that b/c if she were to die tonight, we would lose that info.

It concerns me that she was thinking about withholding her info, because that means she wasn't afraid of the NK. When there isn't a more obvious NK.

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oh okay nvm @_@ carry on

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FFS

yeah, Gamma's still town.

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I'm probably just voting Flea today. Anyone opposed to ending the day?

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I don’t feel like Flea makes sense as scum and you feel like all the bad parts of Flea’s play with none of the good
Is that accurate idk but that’s what I’m getting from a mix of base recollection and my gut

What are your reservations about scum!flea?

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VOTE: flea

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zzz you mean I actually have to post something substantial today? boo hiss.

The only semi-valid reason to townread Flea I think is probably fae's interactions with Auro on day 1. Yet I don't think Flea's interactions with Auro on day 1 were clearing by any means.

- Fae's push on Auro could've easily been faked and eventually petered out for kind of a silly reason anyway.

- fae didn't try particularly hard to get people to join fae on Auro.

- fae's hop onto Gamma was felt awkward and came at a critical time when either Gamma or Enchant were in real position to go through.

- fae never pushed Auro on days 2 and 3 after Enchant was elimmed (and in fact, pushed like 3 different people yesterday who were *not* Auro), even though fae claims to have had this latent suspicion of Auro this entire time.

- Auro didn't seem too concerned at all with Flea's vote on him until I called him out for his lackluster reaction to it.

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I get that I look bad by avoiding Enchant day 1, so if you feel like you need me out of the PoE, then whatever, I won't try too hard to fight it. But I will say that Auro/S_S was basically my elim pool yesterday, even though I never voted Auro. So if you're only looking at VCs, then that probably doesn't reflect in your analysis - with an effective double day yesterday, I think having scum in your bottom 2 should count for... something.

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I'm pretty firmly against having PP in the elim pool. You can make the argument that PP hardbussed both of his partner to propel himself into endgame as deepwolf, which is already a pretty weak argument (remember this game isn't mountainous like White Flag, where hardbussing is a lot more pro-scum), but the following interaction seems very natural and not at all like SvS. I would argue that that alone should make him #3 town behind Titus/Thor.

Spoiler: PP votes

Mmm - sorry Takes of Arise came out yesterday and I’ve been preoccupied.

Let’s try this

VOTE: s_s

mmm

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Auro

Bee is probably dying tonight, so part of me doesn't even want to spend the two brain cells required to write this, but I'll do so anyway - her Enchant vote probably comes from town, and she struck me as pretty towny with her contrarian pop ins day 1. I think this vibes with her general goal of trying to fly under the radar while still contributing where she thinks is important.

Spoiler: Bee posts

My head is killing me but I don't wanna be a prod-gainer.

Manatee not jumping on Midnight despite wanting to apply pressure and having a decent reason to do so from early game seems like it's a good thing unless they're S/S but I don't think Midnight advocates for a wagon on her partner like that.

Idk

Not really feeling either the Gamma or the Enchant wagon

Idk

Not really feeling either the Gamma or the Enchant wagon

don't feel bad for this, stock in the enchant wagon is tanking and you're in a good spot

Join me back on mm then. You really scum reading gamma here?

Oh I love the good place.

I think it's shallow but tbh I haven't seen anyone else give a reason to townread MM, shallow or not. The wagon kind of just disappeared.

That isn't something that I haven't elaborated on. Actually not trying to sound snarky here, but you can just read my ISO.

To bring up something new: self-serving though it may sound, I do think that his recent posts about me are genuinely just sort of bizarre in a way that resembles flailing. Again, someone correct me if there really is something I'm missing, but I think that Bee pretty much read the situation exactly in 1309 and most of the stuff Gamma has been saying has just been non-sequiturs.

I think this is a pretty good post and a more convincing reason for Scum!Gamma than any other that I've seen put forth so far.

When you moved your vote from Thor --> Gamma, I thought it was kind of implied that you were scumreading Gamma more heavily than Thor. The omission isn't scummy, and framing it as such is a pretty weird push from Gamma.

VOTE: Gamma

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CSF, could you explain why you went from voting MM to Gamma? I don’t see anything obvious about what you were thinking beyond liking the read from MM (which tbh I agree with but seeing this progression is ??)?

If not Flea and assuming Bee just dies tonight, I think it's probably Gamma, who incidentally would be a better copcheck tonight than PP, but also Gamma doesn't feel like scum by the only metric I've found reliable at reading him (tone) plus I don't think the major wagons on day 1 were SvS. So I really hope it's just Flea!

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Bonus - I don't think there's any reason those two can't be scum together?

This aged well

I've been struggling this game lol.

Please don't put Auro at E-1 until we decide the vig shot.

ManateeGal was voting for Auro so I dunno. I suppose a bus isn't out of the question here given how much scrutiny Auro's been under, but eh.

That's all I said after SS counter claimed

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Yeah

but actually, you should just check Flea if I'm dying today.

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PookyTheMagicalBear replaces Thor Ragnarok. sunrise in (expired on 2021-09-25 23:45:00).

Hi!

Iirc bee was basically locked into that target

why? that's not my understanding

Bee was gonna be forced into targeting Flea if CSF was limmed, thought transitive property maybe was applied
Though I’m curious why CSF was checked over me when people were saying to check me y/day and Bee is now thinking it’s me

Am I the only one who wasn't surprised by the cop check? I think I was by far sussed the most after Flea yesterday.

Can’t wait to see what csf has to say…

Sorry, this post is gonna be such a let down

This is such a long shot, but I think PP and Gamma should claim their picks while I grudgingly reread the game in the next couple of days. Prefer PP goes first since reverse draft order.

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Bee, who do you think is the last scum?

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Tell me more! I feel like some of Gamma's interactions with flipped scum on day 1 were decent, but I'm debating internally if they're clearing.

On an unrelated note, I would also like to know what Gamma's Plan A is.

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Pooky, we just need to find the One True Townie in the three unconfirmed slots that we both feel good about before the day is over. Really, two unconfirmed slots if you're dead set on limming Bee today, which I'm fine with as well.

I already have mine in mind, but I don't want to dilute your unfiltered opinion while you reread.

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I could hammer Gamma right now. So much power! So much potential!

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You guys should also sign up for the Pokemon Large Theme. It needs 5ish more ins.

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Okay, I will exercise self restraint.

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Penguin is my strongest town read.

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I'm pretty unsure between Gamma/Bee tbh.

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Let's do it!



VOTE: Bee

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Why do you think it's PP over Bee, Gamma? I'll take another look at the VCs later, kinda at work right now.

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And hey I was also pretty good at reading Penguin before I took a break from mafia. I want that lorded over me too if I'm wrong.

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Maybe I will list out my paranoia thoughts about each of you during my lunch break, and we can talk about it more.

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I don't actually recall ever misreading him :S but I could just be not remembering.

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wow you are really getting into it huh

If I’m gonna be made to work for the win I’m not going to just sit back and hope, I’m going to actively try and figure out what indicates it’s someone else over me
As mentioned in my last post, the VCs seem to be showing that scum were playing a certain way that while it’s easy to come to that conclusion FMPOV, it shouldn’t be impossible for others to see it.

I don't think I'm seeing what you're seeing, but I'm happy to hear your thoughts.

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Also, I have a question for you. Who do you think was most secure in believing they wouldn’t be checked last night?

Well, Bee

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That is suspicious but I was expecting an actual case

I think it's pretty significant? Neither you nor PP have anything to gain from the WIFOM of keeping ascetic cop alive. Killing Titus and keeping Town!Bee alive just trades an inno (Titus) for another inno (me).

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:s I’ll vote either Flea or CSF, don’t think it’s Gamma don’t think it’s Penguin. Feel bad saying this after Flea is going AFK, but like... agh.

I wanna say I wanna vote CSF today more so I can check one of

Penguin/Flea

tonight but I probably die for that in the night but also idk how else to get Flea to engage outside of the tunnel because it seems to be either PP or self hammer for fae. If fae is open to anything else I wanna know because I don’t get how this is the game winning move especially after seeing Flea in other games. Feels bad.

^Will vote tonight between Flea/CSF.

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why is Gamma a better check than PP

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Idk about the argument that Penguin was safe from being copchecked last night.

Given how much emphasis Titus places on just looking at VCs, I doubt Penguin would kill her either, since he looks better from VCA (I think?). Better than I do anyhow.

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yea true. So maybe it's just Bee!

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I just realized that UTR could be under the radar or universally townread.

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Also - tbf - Thor was replaced during the night phase.

oh true. My brain is turned off.

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We partyin' tonight in here huh

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LOL

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Bee if it makes you feel better, I do think Gamma is scummier than you now. But I'm not too picky about who gets yeeted first.

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oh it was HECTIC. I see why you townread Thor now, Bee.

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No one else knew it was Hectic tbf. He was pretty widely scumread.

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That's respectable as well, gamma

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gg!

Thanks datisi!