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It's hard to interpret really. I was scum there so I can tell you my motivations for doing so previously-- which was basically mitigating control. I jumped early because I wanted to limit town's options to synchronize, and because I felt the ~~no fear~~ approach would be townie. Is Kyouko doing the exact same thing? I don't know because he doesn't have the same experience as I do now.Stop-
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Yeah I'm willing to divulge a bit. I'm sure scum is already aware of it, but there's a mechanic that allows them to switch people. This works in town's favor as well however givenIn post 37, implosion wrote:unwnd is quite town for page 2. catboi to a lesser extent.
I think there's some amount of advantage we could eke out by controlling where people go but I think we also can get a fair amount of useful info just from where people decide to go on their own. unwnd, since you were specifically worried as scum about town's options to synchronize, I'm curious what exactly you didn't want town to have the option to do.that two scum cannot be in the same place. Therefore, my intent in the last game was to not make any sudden movements. I didn't want to confirm any information basically. The town in that game tried to use I believe Keep(?) to box in scumreads or something to that effect. We ended up exactly 1-1-1 in terms of wagon makeup where Ydrasse followed my lead, and then catboi just happened to find himself elsewhere too. I think it's a dangerous game (for scum) if they just let townies start plotting because then the onus is put onto them, and it becomes a matter of reacting less to what town does and more about complying and hoping that their plans are misguided.Stop-
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Yeah his takes are so undercooked that I have to believe they're genuineIn post 60, catboi wrote:I dislike both kyouko's explanation and T3's reaction to it, but will take the level 0 read that this makes them unlikely to be teamed. Although looking at 52 again, it might be a town post despite none of the conclusions being good. Or because of that.Stop-
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I like having a bunch of information in front of me that I can pick through. I'm worried about the game stifling because everyone is afraid of being too preemptive. Maybe hypocritical but whatever.In post 156, catboi wrote:
Well, see, my problem with the whole approach is that kyouko seems to be basing her read entirely on whether T3 submits to her, and I don't find the way she's executing it to look like a genuine attempt to read into T3's alignment. If she had gotten an early townread on him and wanted him to go to the gate, that would be understandable. If the proposed plan had been an attempt to gauge his alignment by how he reacted to it. But that doesn't quite seem to be what's going on. Instead, the approach she's seems solely geared toward attempting to intimidate him into going to a location that is, frankly, unoptimal for him. It doesn't look like there's any attempt to genuinely read into T3's alignment off what he's saying, and instead just attack him - 135 is particularly noxious in that regard.In post 134, skitter30 wrote:
Thanks!In post 126, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
My strengths are bussing convincingly, my weaknesses are being tmi and I sometimes have a hard time staying motivated as scumIn post 123, skitter30 wrote:Ssbm how would u rate ur scumgame? What do u think ur strengths are as scum?
Tbh i'm kinda having a hard time seeing u come after t3 this hard as scum
Were this a regular game, I could maybe see it as an attempt to pressure him but in this setup that doesn't really work, and the approach here makes more sense as either trying to make T3 an elimmable suspect on day 2 or pit him against implosion based on his existing stated suspicions - I'm not sure why as town you'd actively try to get 2 scumreads into a location with you but it makes great sense as scum if you believe one will surefire vote the other. I'm struggling to see much of any of it as town motivated play.
It's...barely over 24 hours into Day 1? Why the impatience?In post 145, unwnd wrote:No strong opinions of any posts here, which may be troublesome if the clock keeps ticking down. Are people afraid of making stances? Are they simply waiting for something to happen? I don't mean to be hypocritical but I don't have enough to generate a wall.Stop-
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It's fine, I just don't pick one because back in the day (geriatric comes in play here) there wasn't anything like that. I think there was an option to show gender if you clicked your profile however. It's just me being forever lost in halcyon daysIn post 221, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
Sorry, started the post with they since your pronouns arent listed and went with the avatar.In post 218, unwnd wrote:I am a male, a geriatric oneStop-
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I'm afraid of saying mine honestlyIn post 287, catboi wrote:
Now I'm 1 name away from having a day 1 hero solveIn post 286, unwnd wrote:I have two scumreads now I think
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If Catboi/Skitter had any other two different players I would probably say it's not manufactured. I know them both to some extent however and I think they understand the necessity to interact with one another. Catboi's kneejerk Keep vote can only still be described as spiteful. It confuses me a bit as well. That spitefulness in itself seemed to come from a town insistence where he knows he can win out in the end. I don't feel like Catboi is someone who enjoys the notoriety to speak. I don't think it's outside his range to be daring but. Even if it happened some odd months ago I don't see the point in him trying the same strategy we did previously? He knows I'm in the game as well so I don't know if he disrespects me that much to believe I wouldn't raise my eyebrow to it.
When it comes to Skitter I don't think I have a sensitivity quite yet to her play even if I've been scum with her before. I think even in adversity Skitter is pretty good at bottling up her emotions, but maybe it's just the way she types. Reading back on each other Skitter says provokes but in my mind I'm just reading it like she's straight-faced and going through the motions. What I'm trying to say is that I don't believe tone is a reasonable way of reading her and I don't think her reaction is as striking as catboi's.
So I'm going to flip this around and ask both of you something--
Catboi, what do you think of Skitter coming at you? I believe you know regardless of your alignment that what you did was anti-town. You justify this however and I don't need you to explain it to me. However, I think Skitter right nowknowswhat you did was anti-town and is pushing you for it. Do you think she's just trying to build a narrative or is she just confused; You claim that you know you're town and can prove it.
Skitter, if what Catboi did was anti-town do you think he'd let himself do such? I mean this as scum. My own bias tells me right now no. Catboi to me is not someone who enjoys making anti-town plays, especially not this early as scum. He wants to build trust and make sure he has wriggle room. He's effectively put the spotlight on himself. I don't see the purpose of doing so early.Stop-
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No, if you read my last post you can see I still think he's town and think his spitefulness comes from a good place.In post 349, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
256 looks like a partner interaction - to me it reads like you think he is posting in a spiteful way, which is more likely scum than town imo. Since it looks like a partner interaction and it looks like you imply he is scummy for being spiteful, I see it as "bussing", in quotations, because we aren't actually voting anyone out yet. I am wary that you are trying to make yourself appear to not be partnered with him because you 2 are my top 2 scumreads right now. Skitter seems to also SR catboi though, so if I want skitter in Gate I feel the need to balance it with you in Keep so that if both of you are distancing from catboi, scum don't end up with 1-1-1.In post 345, unwnd wrote:I don't know why you think I'm bussing catboi, I think the last time I implied I read I thought he was town?
pedit: you don't lose until town identifies each other. What if one town decides the other is scum and votes you by POE, then scum!you winsStop-
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- That one game where I was a hydra with pooksIn post 362, skitter30 wrote:
- when were we scum together >.>In post 352, unwnd wrote:When it comes to Skitter I don't think I have a sensitivity quite yet to her play even if I've been scum with her before. I think even in adversity Skitter is pretty good at bottling up her emotions, but maybe it's just the way she types. Reading back on each other Skitter says provokes but in my mind I'm just reading it like she's straight-faced and going through the motions. What I'm trying to say is that I don't believe tone is a reasonable way of reading her and I don't think her reaction is as striking as catboi's.
So I'm going to flip this around and ask both of you something--
Catboi, what do you think of Skitter coming at you? I believe you know regardless of your alignment that what you did was anti-town. You justify this however and I don't need you to explain it to me. However, I think Skitter right now knows what you did was anti-town and is pushing you for it. Do you think she's just trying to build a narrative or is she just confused; You claim that you know you're town and can prove it.
Skitter, if what Catboi did was anti-town do you think he'd let himself do such? I mean this as scum. My own bias tells me right now no. Catboi to me is not someone who enjoys making anti-town plays, especially not this early as scum. He wants to build trust and make sure he has wriggle room. He's effectively put the spotlight on himself. I don't see the purpose of doing so early.
- it apparently worked last time, idk why he wouldnt try that again
- i'm baffled why he would do this as town either
- he's kinda losing trust by taking this tactic, idk how this is gonna help him build trust
- your interactions with him are very suspect and ngl on some level this reads like you defending a partner
- It barely worked. I'd even say it only worked due to the strength of the individuals. The only way I could see Catboi doing what he did (as scum) is if he had competent teammates who would support him even if it failed.
- I don't get it either? That's why I think it's a situation with Catboi doesn't GAF and is doing what he wants. Not very in line of what I typically see from Catboi as scum, which is far more methodical.
- I wouldn't be that brazen after literally being his partner in the last one.Stop-
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What conclusion would that be?In post 369, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
I see that now that I've read further, but I draw a different conclusion from your observation of the spitefulness than you didIn post 355, unwnd wrote:
No, if you read my last post you can see I still think he's town and think his spitefulness comes from a good place.In post 349, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
256 looks like a partner interaction - to me it reads like you think he is posting in a spiteful way, which is more likely scum than town imo. Since it looks like a partner interaction and it looks like you imply he is scummy for being spiteful, I see it as "bussing", in quotations, because we aren't actually voting anyone out yet. I am wary that you are trying to make yourself appear to not be partnered with him because you 2 are my top 2 scumreads right now. Skitter seems to also SR catboi though, so if I want skitter in Gate I feel the need to balance it with you in Keep so that if both of you are distancing from catboi, scum don't end up with 1-1-1.In post 345, unwnd wrote:I don't know why you think I'm bussing catboi, I think the last time I implied I read I thought he was town?
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I'm just going to state that I thought about hammering Keep. Basically if I did so (and Skitter thinks me/Catboi are aligned), then one of them would have to make a move. Two scum can't be at the same place basically. I just don't know if going out there to merely prove a point would be good however.Stop-
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Unsure which is where Gate helps with thatIn post 392, skitter30 wrote:
I mean how are you reading me rnIn post 388, unwnd wrote:I feel like talking about my intentions in that regard would give out too much information
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You changed your mind with her recent posting? Last I remember you thought it was fake world scumIn post 397, catboi wrote:
I think the former is, regrettably, far more likely.In post 391, unwnd wrote:I think Kyouko either loses this game for town or I am fooled by her fake stubborness.Stop-
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It'd be a very poor move on my part to join gate when Kyouko is scumreading me, on top of me asking you to join Gate as well.In post 494, skitter30 wrote:i find the fact that unwnd took gate to be rather scummy honestlyStop-
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the current makeup of the wagons should indicate that scum has already chosen a spot? See there's 4 left for the choosing and well, scum can lose if they're all forced into one. I don't know if this has happened though, because if I'm scum and I see only one spot is left? I take that last spot just so I don't lose.Stop-
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In post 524, unwnd wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but the current makeup of the wagons should indicate that scum has already chosen a spot? See there's 4 left for the choosing and well, scum can lose if they're all forced into one. I don't know if this has happened though, because if I'm scum and I see only one spot is left? I take that last spot just so I don't lose.
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I want a read on you? I look at it this way, I either 1v1 you and Kyouko gets cleared
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