Open 820: The Siege of Aurelia — Game Over!
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That's about what I expected but I'm going to stick to my word there.
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Would you have thought he was town if he immediately acquiesced to your request?In post 67, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:So T3 is scum, that wasn't too hard-
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Do you have reads on those two?In post 97, T3 wrote:Any objections to Peng/skiter/me in the keep that are not ssbm?-
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Well, see, my problem with the whole approach is that kyouko seems to be basing her read entirely on whether T3 submits to her, and I don't find the way she's executing it to look like a genuine attempt to read into T3's alignment. If she had gotten an early townread on him and wanted him to go to the gate, that would be understandable. If the proposed plan had been an attempt to gauge his alignment by how he reacted to it. But that doesn't quite seem to be what's going on. Instead, the approach she's seems solely geared toward attempting to intimidate him into going to a location that is, frankly, unoptimal for him. It doesn't look like there's any attempt to genuinely read into T3's alignment off what he's saying, and instead just attack him - 135 is particularly noxious in that regard.In post 134, skitter30 wrote:
Thanks!In post 126, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
My strengths are bussing convincingly, my weaknesses are being tmi and I sometimes have a hard time staying motivated as scumIn post 123, skitter30 wrote:Ssbm how would u rate ur scumgame? What do u think ur strengths are as scum?
Tbh i'm kinda having a hard time seeing u come after t3 this hard as scum
Were this a regular game, I could maybe see it as an attempt to pressure him but in this setup that doesn't really work, and the approach here makes more sense as either trying to make T3 an elimmable suspect on day 2 or pit him against implosion based on his existing stated suspicions - I'm not sure why as town you'd actively try to get 2 scumreads into a location with you but it makes great sense as scum if you believe one will surefire vote the other. I'm struggling to see much of any of it as town motivated play.
It's...barely over 24 hours into Day 1? Why the impatience?In post 145, unwnd wrote:No strong opinions of any posts here, which may be troublesome if the clock keeps ticking down. Are people afraid of making stances? Are they simply waiting for something to happen? I don't mean to be hypocritical but I don't have enough to generate a wall.-
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NahIn post 165, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:So t3 and catboi are both not thinking through what actually happens if I'm scum. Almost as if they know I'm not (:-
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In theory having discussion and trying rto group townreads together at locations is a good way to play this, however, I can't help but worry the way it's going will lead people into confirmation bias and that sort of thing becomes very easy to exploit with the swap. I'm tempted to call kyouko's bluff about me and T3 right now, tbh.-
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Not particularly, no. I think his reads feel mostly genuine in terms of how he's reacting to what happens.In post 237, unwnd wrote:You think T3 has a chance to be scum, catboi?-
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See, you had me going with the unwnd scum theory because I thought it was plausible, and then you make this post where you make a hypothesis based on arbitrary assumptions that are untrue whilst not bothering to do the bare minimum of research to see that unwnd, S_S, Dunnstral, and me were all players in the previous run of this game, (and I have referred to seeing it from the other side), and so I think posts like this are just meant to look impressive in terms of looking solvey while actually being utterly hollow and worthless and showing a complete lack of thought.In post 215, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:and unwnd not going anywhere quickly in this game is probably just to not look the same way she did when she was scum last time, for anyone else who was in that game and saw her do it. From what I understand S_S wrote the setup so maybe he was mod in that game, and he is the connection to that game. If he is the only connection to that game, it is highly likely that scum!unwnd means town!S_S-
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VOTE: keepIn post 248, skitter30 wrote:I was more curious about ssbm and dunn in that trio
Kinda wanto keep unwnd/catboi out of the keep-
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I know I'm town, I think T3 is town, if people are going to accuse me of being scum off...basically nothing, I'm going to go to the placeIn post 254, skitter30 wrote:Why did you do thatwhere I do not need to prove myself as town. I'm not keen to let a narrative form against me. That simple.-
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In a sense, yeah, it was a knee-jerk reactionary move but it is worth remembering that putting myself at the keep would be enitrely unoptimal and nonsensical as scum. I don't expect to be voted at the keepIn post 256, unwnd wrote:I don't know if Catboi does the same strategy twice. It could be a WIFOM play int that sense but for now
That felt oddly spiteful?and I absolutely do not care about that.
Shrug, I think her posts are remarkably hollow. I think it's easy to make a bunch of strategic posturing but none of it feels like an authentic attempt to gamesolve and people are crediting her for volume more than anything substantial. "Nothing feels townie" is vague, I have admittedly been closed off with my reads to this point but I haven't particularly had any desire to impress with my play so far.In post 257, skitter30 wrote:I dont know but nothing ur saying feels townie, dislike that you're discrediting ssbm, and i've no idea what the town motivation for that was either-
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I accept your sassIn post 263, PenguinPower wrote:Oh sorry - you didn’t call me town so I thought I should go somewhere so you could view me as town.
Shrug, I don't think it's at all hard to theorize about optimal placements as scum. Her actual thoughts on the here and now are lacking. So you think I'm trying to look town - do you expect I'm somehow going to spin this into a "vote 4 me" campaign? Otherwise such a theory is nonsensical. What's my goal supposed to be?In post 267, skitter30 wrote:Also the fact that your immediate reaction is: oh this would have been so silly to do as scum (twice now)
Makes me feel like you're scum just playing that card
Also, i really, really dont think ssbm's posts are fake, and they feel like legitimate attenpts to gamesolve to me
It feels like she's thought quite a lot abt the optimal placements/strategy for town and is working to realize that vision-
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Okay, why?In post 268, skitter30 wrote:
I quite don'tIn post 266, catboi wrote:If I'm left at the keep after swaps I'm perfectly happy playing kingmaker. In a sense I've just seized the hammer for myself, and I actually quite like that prospect.-
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You realize the keep is the spot where you're supposed to vote on who is most town, right? And if I'm not viewed as most town then I get to be the deciding vote.In post 273, skitter30 wrote:Dislike the fact that you want to take a kingmaker position when t3 is much more tow read than uWhy is that a bad thing?-
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Rude, but understandable. Do you think T3 is scum, then?In post 274, PenguinPower wrote:I mean - the immediate is that even if you are town I don’t trust your judgment?-
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Why would the person who is most town not simply want themself to get voted? This doesn't make a lick of sense. Of course, if I am scum there is no reason for me to vote, but you already have my word that I will vote, and if I go back on it I obviously won't get voted myself, which would guarantee a town win in the event I am scum.In post 278, skitter30 wrote:I think the person eho is most town (not you) should get to vote, and if ur scum you wont at all
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Lol, no worries, I'm not offended. I completely understand if on a gut level you dislike my impulsive play and view it as antitown. But I'd like to hope I can do a decent job guessing in a 50/50.In post 280, PenguinPower wrote:Apologies if you actions result in an objective stance that you view as rude. I don’t have solid reads at the moment given game state, though you are helping!-
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Now I'm 1 name away from having a day 1 hero solveIn post 286, unwnd wrote:I have two scumreads now I think
I know I'm being vague but it will come to fruition, eventually-
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Understandable.In post 289, unwnd wrote:
I'm afraid of saying mine honestlyIn post 287, catboi wrote:
Now I'm 1 name away from having a day 1 hero solveIn post 286, unwnd wrote:I have two scumreads now I think
I know I'm being vague but it will come to fruition, eventually
To be clear, I have 1 scumread and 3 names I feel unresolved on - one of those is obviously something_smart, who hasn't had enough input for me to have a read. If I can get one of those 3 unknown reads as town I'd feel comfy. Some of that probably gets resolved when my move to day 2, though.-
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In post 291, implosion wrote:I think skitter's reaction to catboi last page is townish. I don't think catboi promising to wield the hammer at keep is townish, obviously if catboi follows through then they're town but it's a quite easy thing to say and then not follow through on for any of x reasons (being swapped out or a changed gamestate, etc).
That is easily the scummiest set of posts in the game, haha.In post 293, implosion wrote:or well i'm not discounting skitter certainly but i do like her last page quite a bit.-
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You should really probably actually read the last game if you're going to hypothesize about it, because what I did is antithetical to what our team did in that game. In the first game, Briar brute-forced herself as a townread and jumped to the keep, we swapped out the other universal townread in absinthe and swapped in Infinity, who the town had been confirmation-biasing as scum. We ensured scum was the most townread player at the keep for an easy 1-0 lead. Me doing that here as scum...would almost unquestionably put the team down 0-1 instead, as I'm not particularly townread. In terms of motive and optics, it's nothing like what scum did the last game (if anything, it's closer to Anastasia)In post 313, T3 wrote:What if scumboi was desperate so he decided to do the same gambit as last time? I feel like that would make sense if everyone's early solves are correct.
I don't really expect you to have good reads or any sort of sensible logic, but luckily for my purposes that's completely irrelevant.-
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That wasn't implying a scumread on implosion, it was saying skitter is blatantly scum for how she reacted to my jump.In post 318, T3 wrote:
skitter says unwnd/catboi interactions feel weird. Immediately after that, catboi drops a scumread on implosion. implosion's 37 is townreading catboi and unwnd for bad reasons.In post 316, T3 wrote:In post 37, implosion wrote:unwnd is quite town for page 2. catboi to a lesser extent.
I think there's some amount of advantage we could eke out by controlling where people go but I think we also can get a fair amount of useful info just from where people decide to go on their own. unwnd, since you were specifically worried as scum about town's options to synchronize, I'm curious what exactly you didn't want town to have the option to do.
Partner interactions day 1 are bad but if I had to choose one of them to flip first probably catboi, maybe implosion.-
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I mean, yes. Also it's incredibly irritating to have multiple people making speculative reads based on a game they haven't actually read. It's not like it's particularly hard to find, I have no idea why you'd simply guess at the events of a game instead. If anything my play currently is closer to Anastasia from that game.In post 321, T3 wrote:
Then I'm just bad.In post 319, catboi wrote:
You should really probably actually read the last game if you're going to hypothesize about it, because what I did is antithetical to what our team did in that game. In the first game, Briar brute-forced herself as a townread and jumped to the keep, we swapped out the other universal townread in absinthe and swapped in Infinity, who the town had been confirmation-biasing as scum. We ensured scum was the most townread player at the keep for an easy 1-0 lead. Me doing that here as scum...would almost unquestionably put the team down 0-1 instead, as I'm not particularly townread. In terms of motive and optics, it's nothing like what scum did the last game (if anything, it's closer to Anastasia)In post 313, T3 wrote:What if scumboi was desperate so he decided to do the same gambit as last time? I feel like that would make sense if everyone's early solves are correct.
I don't really expect you to have good reads or any sort of sensible logic, but luckily for my purposes that's completely irrelevant.
I'm fine with the situation I'm in, though - I control my own destiny unless scum swap me out, but doing so means they probably lose the keep regardless.-
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I wouldn't be able to do much of anything, would I? Don't know why you'd ask. I definitely am not going to speculate on how I'd vote post-swap depending on what happened.In post 323, skitter30 wrote:
Ok and i think ur blatantly scum *for* the jumpIn post 320, catboi wrote:That wasn't implying a scumread on implosion, it was saying skitter is blatantly scum for how she reacted to my jump.
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You still can't really formulate a coherent theory as to how I'd be advancing the scum win condition by doing this, but seem to want to cling to that read regardless. That's why I think you're scum - you're working from the endpoint of calling me scum and searching for ways to justify it rather than assessing why my play would be beneficial to scum in the slightest.
I think by contrast, Penguin's outright disdain for my play reads miles more authentic.-
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I don't know, I'm not sure what you think IIn post 326, skitter30 wrote:I dont really get what you're saying/implying in that postcoulddo in response to you moving to the keep - I think that'd be a terrible play here for you as scum, so it'd be at least somewhat surprising, but I'm not really going to out a read that's contingent on you taking a particular action, that feels both silly and a bad idea.-
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Okay, but I'm not getting voted, so, again, the idea that this is a scum gambit falls totally flat. I'm going to vote for who I think is town, hopefully I will be right, I will flip town and leave a legacy read that you should be voted no matter what.
My motivation here as town is pretty simple: I get to be the deciding vote at the keep, I get to control my own destiny, and I don't even have to convince anyone to crossvote for me, which is the most annoying part of being in 3p. If I sense that there's an active campaign to discredit me, why would I not want to be at the place where me being scumread is far less important than my ability to correctly identify who is town?
It doesn't particularlymatterto me that I get townread here but you're so obviously trying to force-fit the read at this point, which is why I think you're scum.-
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Because there's still a swap in play? Obviously. I'm not going to lay out my exact thinking for the mafia to interfere with it. Last game Anastasia was very open that she'd vote for whoever of absinthe (town) and Briar (scum) was left at the keep, so it was easy for us to swap out absinthe with Infinity (a scumread of Anastasia). As such I have no desire to show my full hand to the scumteam this game.In post 330, skitter30 wrote:
I mean if you're town and planning on taking the vote there i'm p sure me going there would force you to vote t3 as u apparently think i'm scumIn post 328, catboi wrote:
I don't know, I'm not sure what you think IIn post 326, skitter30 wrote:I dont really get what you're saying/implying in that postcoulddo in response to you moving to the keep - I think that'd be a terrible play here for you as scum, so it'd be at least somewhat surprising, but I'm not really going to out a read that's contingent on you taking a particular action, that feels both silly and a bad idea.
(Whicu for me would be a good outcome cuz i think t3 is town)
From your pov i'm not sure why the immediate reaction isnt just: i will vote t3-
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I'm still not going to answer that.In post 334, skitter30 wrote:I was p obviously talking abt a universe where you/me/t3 were still at the keep post-swap-
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based on...?In post 338, skitter30 wrote:Well i'm incredibly dubious the keep will have a good ending-
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I struggle to see the town motivation in making arbitrary theories based on easily disprovable assumptions. However, I think there's actually a fairly decent chance you might be town here regardless.In post 341, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
or, or, or... you read my post, and see that I specify that I am uncertain - "if he is the only connection to that game." I have admittedly not looked at that game, because I said "if". You would know I have not looked at the game, because you were in the game and know that S_S is not the only connectionIn post 247, catboi wrote:
See, you had me going with the unwnd scum theory because I thought it was plausible, and then you make this post where you make a hypothesis based on arbitrary assumptions that are untrue whilst not bothering to do the bare minimum of research to see that unwnd, S_S, Dunnstral, and me were all players in the previous run of this game, (and I have referred to seeing it from the other side), and so I think posts like this are just meant to look impressive in terms of looking solvey while actually being utterly hollow and worthless and showing a complete lack of thought.In post 215, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:and unwnd not going anywhere quickly in this game is probably just to not look the same way she did when she was scum last time, for anyone else who was in that game and saw her do it. From what I understand S_S wrote the setup so maybe he was mod in that game, and he is the connection to that game. If he is the only connection to that game, it is highly likely that scum!unwnd means town!S_S-
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Lol. Okay. If I'm at the keep and withhold my vote as scum, I still lose though, so why the concern trolling?In post 346, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
This is worthless, because at the time you vote, the Keep game ends. As scum, you can just say you're not sure yet, and the burden still falls on the other town to identify one another. Or, as scum, you can be swapped out so you don't have to follow through. As town, you can be swapped out to make it appear that you're scum that is trying to not follow through on your word here. So we can't put any stock in this.In post 281, catboi wrote:
Why would the person who is most town not simply want themself to get voted? This doesn't make a lick of sense. Of course, if I am scum there is no reason for me to vote,In post 278, skitter30 wrote:I think the person eho is most town (not you) should get to vote, and if ur scum you wont at allbut you already have my word that I will vote, and if I go back on it I obviously won't get voted myself, which would guarantee a town win in the event I am scum.
So, again, I very much fail to see what your problem is supposed to be.-
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...because one of the townies just votes the other, in that instance? Like, this isn't at all hard to grasp and you seem committed to an almost willful misunderstanding of how the keep operates at this point. If I'm kept at the keep, I set a deadline for myself to vote, if I don't follow through then one of the other two should vote for the other. As scum, there is no plausible way for me to be victorious in this instance. I'm town though and so it'll fall on me to decide correctly.In post 348, skitter30 wrote:How do you lose in that instance
If scum want to burn their swap to take me out of the keep, that seems like a foolish and unoptimal move, so I'm fine with that.-
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Do you actually think that is remotely likely based on your reading of the game?In post 349, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:pedit: you don't lose until town identifies each other. What if one town decides the other is scum and votes you by POE, then scum!you wins-
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I think theIn post 352, unwnd wrote:Catboi, what do you think of Skitter coming at you? I believe you know regardless of your alignment that what you did was anti-town. You justify this however and I don't need you to explain it to me. However, I think Skitter right now knows what you did was anti-town and is pushing you for it. Do you think she's just trying to build a narrative or is she just confused; You claim that you know you're town and can prove it.wayshe came after me after I made my move was incredibly scummy and shifted my view of the game dramatically, yes. I don't inherently have a problem with someone expressing dislike for what I did but the way she's gone about it feels more like someone whowantsto scumread me and trying to find reasons to do so, but she went through attacks that were illogical/easily refuted. In my view, if someone were totrulybelieve I am scum, than my jump to the keep is nothing short of a concession. But instead she keeps trying to stoke paranoia around me, to no productive end. I don't believe it's a real thought process. I could break down her immediate posts in reaction to my move last night if you want, I guess.-
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Dunn made a surprise move like that last game as town, so it's not entirely out of his town range. I wouldn't say his involvement this game has been necessarily as protown as the last, but as I was on the other team that time, my view of the game is somewhat colored by that. If I had to guess, though, I would say that play is more likely to come from him as town because I don't see what he gains from it as scum.In post 356, T3 wrote:WHY.
Why .-.
So I don't think Dunn is scum with catboi because then one of Dunn/catboi would have to swap.-
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T3 has the most posts in the game. What theIn post 361, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
oh damn keep is hammered... but now that it's hammered with 2 low activity players, if they're both town (T3 and Dunnstral), it will be easy for scum to swap scum!catboi out for a deepwolf if they can get 1-1-1, and get that deepwolf to be TRed. I think now what we want is the consensus scumreads in Wall so that if we get 2/3 there, scum!catboi is forced to stay in keep, and scum has to swap a Wall-Scum for a Gate-Town.In post 331, catboi wrote:Okay, but I'm not getting voted, so, again, the idea that this is a scum gambit falls totally flat. I'm going to vote for who I think is town, hopefully I will be right, I will flip town and leave a legacy read that you should be voted no matter what.
My motivation here as town is pretty simple: I get to be the deciding vote at the keep, I get to control my own destiny, and I don't even have to convince anyone to crossvote for me, which is the most annoying part of being in 3p. If I sense that there's an active campaign to discredit me, why would I not want to be at the place where me being scumread is far less important than my ability to correctly identify who is town?
It doesn't particularlymatterto me that I get townread here but you're so obviously trying to force-fit the read at this point, which is why I think you're scum.
Off the top of my head, Peng and Skitter in Gate, Implosion, unwnd, and S_S in Wall. Does that sound like a good formation? @Implosion, if you're town, are you comfortable with me-Peng-skitter?fuckare you talking about?-
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It's already hammered by Dunn, Lol.In post 375, unwnd wrote:I'm just going to state that I thought about hammering Keep. Basically if I did so (and Skitter thinks me/Catboi are aligned), then one of them would have to make a move. Two scum can't be at the same place basically. I just don't know if going out there to merely prove a point would be good however.
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1. Don't use 'gaslighting' in a game, thanks.In post 378, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
This is what scum does to me btw, seen it often. They don't engage because it's hard to argue with me for a prolonged period, and eventually they resort to discrediting me or ignoring me. Guess here we're going with gaslightingIn post 372, catboi wrote:I legitimately cannot tell at this point if kyouko's warped view of the game is complete blinkered town obliviousness or scum that is simply not actually reading the game. I don't feel like skitter's defense of her was partnery but it's hard to wrap my head around.
2. It is an easily verifiable fact that T3 has the most posts in the game and is generally seen by most as townie. I can't engage with someone who tells me the sky is green, because on a basic level they are wrong. Your fretting over me being at the keep is nonsensical because it contravenes basic facts about this game. When those are in dispute, what am I to do? I don't expect any amount of reasoning to actually get through to you at this point even if you are town. Hopefully that isn't relevant, regardless.-
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I think the former is, regrettably, far more likely.In post 391, unwnd wrote:I think Kyouko either loses this game for town or I am fooled by her fake stubborness.-
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I think it tipped me more to the town side but I was always there primarily because I think skitter is a much stronger scumread for me (and if we're going for hail mary scumreads, the skitter/implo interactions on page 4 have a decent chance of being scum/scum). I could say more about why I think it's town arrogance but they would not be very nice words.In post 400, unwnd wrote:
You changed your mind with her recent posting? Last I remember you thought it was fake world scumIn post 397, catboi wrote:
I think the former is, regrettably, far more likely.In post 391, unwnd wrote:I think Kyouko either loses this game for town or I am fooled by her fake stubborness.-
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Your view of the game is warped because you are unaware of basic facts like how T3 is active and generally townread. It has little to do with your read of me. It's problematic because I would expect, I would hope that a town player would actually be paying enough attention to know these things, and yet you persist in maintaining that view even when I tell you it is untrue.In post 403, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
1. If you are scum, what you are doing is, by definition, gaslighting. You are saying my view of the game is warped - and if you are scum, it is not warped, but by telling me it is warped, you sow doubt in my own mind about my view of the game. If you are scum, I am being gaslit, and I will use that term to describe it unless dannflor has a problem with it.In post 394, catboi wrote:
1. Don't use 'gaslighting' in a game, thanks.In post 378, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
This is what scum does to me btw, seen it often. They don't engage because it's hard to argue with me for a prolonged period, and eventually they resort to discrediting me or ignoring me. Guess here we're going with gaslightingIn post 372, catboi wrote:I legitimately cannot tell at this point if kyouko's warped view of the game is complete blinkered town obliviousness or scum that is simply not actually reading the game. I don't feel like skitter's defense of her was partnery but it's hard to wrap my head around.
2. It is an easily verifiable fact that T3 has the most posts in the game and is generally seen by most as townie. I can't engage with someone who tells me the sky is green, because on a basic level they are wrong. Your fretting over me being at the keep is nonsensical because it contravenes basic facts about this game. When those are in dispute, what am I to do? I don't expect any amount of reasoning to actually get through to you at this point even if you are town. Hopefully that isn't relevant, regardless.
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So if that's the case, why the panicked concern trolling over my move?In post 407, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:pedit: I've been TRing T3 for a while now, just haven't said it yet, that's why my interactions with him slowed down. I also think you spewed he and Dunn are town so Keep is p much autowin regardless of the swap-
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that post + this one below have you fretting over some far-out scenarios where this is a manipulation by scum-me to try to win the keep, all of which are fairly unlikely and betray a lack of gamestate awareness.In post 411, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:First of all, my post that you say is concern trolling is not panicked - I would be interested in hearing why you think it was panicked.
I again do not understand how this ties to my read on T3. If you did want to make a connection, the implication, if there were no swap at keep, would be that I TR T3 based on my post that you identified as "concern trolling." Because in that post, I am saying your word means nothing because you can just wait to vote until town identifies each other, or thinks the other one is scum. In a later post, I clarified that if that happens, you would win, because you responded to my post saying that as scum, you would just lose there.
I just don't see why you bother imagining this nonsense when I've already pledged to be the first vote at the keep, and were I to go back on that, I lose. It's incredibly simple to grasp yet you insist on fearmongering.In post 361, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:oh damn keep is hammered... but now that it's hammered with 2 low activity players, if they're both town (T3 and Dunnstral), it will be easy for scum to swap scum!catboi out for a deepwolf if they can get 1-1-1, and get that deepwolf to be TRed. I think now what we want is the consensus scumreads in Wall so that if we get 2/3 there, scum!catboi is forced to stay in keep, and scum has to swap a Wall-Scum for a Gate-Town.
Truthfully, I think further arguing between us is going to be supremely unproductive. I'm town and will flip as such soon enough, I can only hope it breaks you out of the world you've put yourself in.