Open 814: CultD3 CULT WINS

[Marky Mark]

Do you think cult!flea avoids the wagons because they are both town or because one is CL?

More likely that they are T/T. Both wagons have reached E-1 today and as we approach deadline, either looks like it could feasibly go through. I think scum!flea would need nerves of steel here to avoid pushing whichever of Raya/T3 was not the CL in that scenario

[Marky Mark]

I'm 100% on that I was wrong on Osuka, and they're clear, and not friggen touchable as far as I'm bothered.

Notice the phrasing - no movement last night != clear/untouchable. It makes it more likely that they aren't CL, definitely, but Flea is trying to conflate his claimed result into a mechclear of the slot

[Marky Mark]

VOTE: Osuka is making sense to me ATM. I'm willing to admit I might have confbiased myself into Raya earlier today. but Flea's recent posting is ++cult

--pedit IIRC deadline is late evening for me (UTC+1)

[Marky Mark]

I need to go to work, but will hopefully have time to look at the thread when I get home before DL. Would be good to hear from Raya/T3/Osuka while we still have time

[Marky Mark]

I need to go to work, but will hopefully have time to look at the thread when I get home before DL. Would be good to hear from Raya/T3/Osuka while we still have time

[Marky Mark]

VOTE: Osuka is making sense to me ATM. I'm willing to admit I might have confbiased myself into Raya earlier today. but Flea's recent posting is ++cult

--pedit IIRC deadline is late evening for me (UTC+1)

Aye, i agree.

VOTE: Osuka

VOTE: Osuka

You were not only voting there too (in fact I raised the Osuka case originally and you sheeped it) but were also on the d1 town wagon

[Marky Mark]

Also note how he cherrypicks the Osuka votes that fit his solve in his post and ignores Umlaut's

[Marky Mark]

Raya is obvscum to me, even before the lolhammer on Osuka and the fact that she didn't self-hammer d2 and her playing around the edges of the game d1 makes me lean towards her being CL

[Marky Mark]

Dwlee starting to openwolf me on thin reasons today tho makes me wonder if he is part of the solve too

[Marky Mark]

Like the 3 not on the Raya wagon yesterday were Flea/Dwlee/Umlaut, and Flea was looking scummy AF late yesterday, so I could totally see Raya/Dwlee/Flea being a thing here

[Marky Mark]

Also note how he cherrypicks the Osuka votes that fit his solve in his post and ignores Umlaut's

Y'all voted and hammered within four hours. I'm sure you saw Enchant E-1 it and then you just... Didn't care.

Lol literally wtf mate you are openwolfing me so hard rn

[Marky Mark]

I literally raised the Osuka/Flea solve and stated that I was planning to vote there before you sheeped me and voted Osuka

[Marky Mark]

That might make enchant scummy but not vice versa - I can't stop other players voting the same way as me

[Marky Mark]

Yes, I was wrong about Osuka/Flea being the solve and I should've stuck to my original hunch on Raya but you are twisting events here.

[Marky Mark]

My point was that you saw Osuka put to E-1 by Enchant and you could have unvoted to prevent a quickhammer. I also think Raya has CL-equity so I don't want to tunnel you here. I want to at least base agree that Enchant/Raya are 2 of the three cult.

But at the time I thought Osuka had a very good chance of CL and the solve involved Flea!Scum, which would mean that Enchant was town, so why would Enchant voting there worry me? Your argument only makes sense in light of the flip, which we obviously didn't know at the time.

[Marky Mark]

So Osuka flipping town does reduce the liklihood of Flea!scum but Flea!scum/Enchant!town could still be a thing, esp given how scummy Flea was late D2 when avoiding taking a position on the Raya/T3 wagons

[Marky Mark]

I'm getting reasonably confident that Dwlee is scum here as his position on me went from "meh" d2 to "this slot is definitely scum" today based on a town wagon that we were both on

[Marky Mark]

I'm gonna be out for the rest of the day but am reasonably confident CL lies in Raya/Dwlee by this point. If its T3 or Umlaut then GG

[Marky Mark]

I'm getting reasonably confident that Dwlee is scum here as his position on me went from "meh" d2 to "this slot is definitely scum" today based on a town wagon that we were both on

It's about the quickhammer. Literally overnight for me it looked so bad. The other part of it is just PoE. I'm just assuming T3 town for now and one of flea/enchant recruited gives me that raya/umlaut/you is cult leader here, and I townread umlaut based on day one play.

If you're actually town here, look at it from my POV. I had already explained why I SRed Osuka and had made it clear that I was going to vote there imminently. I lay my vote. Enchant votes soon after, but right now Flea is acting scummy AF, which means Enchant's town equity is decent, so maybe the timing is unusual but nothing that seemed massively sus to me at the time

[Marky Mark]

Even if Enchant is scum here, which is a massive if, me laying a vote I had already stated I was going to lay and other players jumping on it to push a quickhammer through doesn't make my original vote part of that and I feel like you are bending the truth here to keep me open as a miselim option

[Marky Mark]

I do agree that Umlaut is towny and T3 was coutnerwagon to Raya so CL likely within Raya/Dwlee, and Raya seems more likely due to the fact that she didn't self-hammer yesterday

[Marky Mark]

I do agree that Umlaut is towny and T3 was coutnerwagon to Raya so CL likely within Raya/Dwlee, and Raya seems more likely due to the fact that she didn't self-hammer yesterday

[Marky Mark]

Marky you're going to have to convince me that t3 or umlaut is evil if you want me to think you're town.

I mean I think Raya is obvscum. Flea seems scummy too - his actions late D2 felt really quite scummy and was what made me second guess myself out of the Raya!CL solve. Honestly, rn I am SRing you fairly hard as I feel like you are trying to twist the timing of my Osuka vote against me, when I made it clear that I was planning to vote there imminently. IF you're town here then I guess maaaybe there's something whacky going on here like T3!scum and they were cross-bussing yesterday to distance, but that feels kinda risky. Tbh if that's the solve then it's probably just GG as that's so far out of left field

[Marky Mark]

I'm going to bed but happy to chat more tomorrow night. Take care all

[Marky Mark]

I have a terrible track record of getting things wrong in ELO, but following the lack of quickhammer today and the lack of self-hammer by Raya yesterday, I'm going to VOTE: Raya and put my money where my mouth is. I still think scum!dwlee has a good chance of being a thing here, but if he is CL then I don't know why he would go to such lengths to avoid the Raya wagon yesterday

[Marky Mark]

Wait, crap cross-posted with Flea there

[Marky Mark]

GG all, it was a pleasure

[Marky Mark]

The Enchant claim d1 basically won us the game as we could then work out the other PR was a tracker. One ctrl+F later through the thread for "track" and we were able to find Flea's crumbs and get the town investigative working for us

[Marky Mark]

Quite nice to endgame as scum as my one previous scumgame (I literally always roll town) saw me get elimed d1. Thank goodness none of you listened to Dwlee

[Marky Mark]

Yeah, I was genuinely surprised people backed my osuka!scum theory D2. I literally invented it as an excuse to avoid having to vote Raya at day end in the hope that this would swing the balance of votes on favour of T3 without me

[Marky Mark]

Don't be hard on yourself Enchant - it was the town that pressured you into claiming and the town was scarily close to winning D3 if they had worked out where the CL was

[Marky Mark]

Oh and shoutout to Raya for being a convincing CL