Open 816: C9++ || Game Over

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Tigerente
Let's get an early wagon going

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Tigerente
Let's get an early wagon going

I feel like we are going to get along

swimmingly

.

I knew that at the first look of your profile picture

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Tigerente

I like wagons

Another person with an amazing profile picture. Townblock it is.

[Dwlee99]

Hey! I like wagons, but not on myself!

[Dwlee99]

Tigerente wagon should pick up steam because 1.) their profile picture is kind of a wagon and 2.) they haven't placed a vote which is a scum claim.

[Dwlee99]

Yes, the conviction is faked, neither of those things is a real reason to vote for someone.

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: SirCakez
I had fun with Tigerente but I want dessert

[Dwlee99]

Okay now I want to vote you again

[Dwlee99]

I love salted caramel you have no idea. You can't even blame me for voting you

[Dwlee99]

Just to also answer the question I think I've played with about half the people before.

[Dwlee99]

Your solve should replace Gamma with Jersey, Pooky.

[Dwlee99]

Kerset*

[Dwlee99]

if any of the cakez voters are willing to elaborate on why they're voting him, that'd be grand

Him saying my post pushing a wagon on Tigerente was "forced conviction" when it was not meant to be taken seriously felt weird. Like he was trying to say something because he had to not because he believed it mattered.

[Dwlee99]

if any of the cakez voters are willing to elaborate on why they're voting him, that'd be grand

Him saying my post pushing a wagon on Tigerente was "forced conviction" when it was not meant to be taken seriously felt weird. Like he was trying to say something because he had to not because he believed it mattered.

i mean it felt quasi-serious to me as well ...

i am Skeptical on pooky's dwlee read

~ skitteR

I think you should have voted someone but I don't think you're evil for having not. I thought it was pretty clearly not serious given my first reason is a reference to your profile picture.

[Dwlee99]

Okay but Cakez's post was bad anyway.

[Dwlee99]

How do you feel about Kerset?

[Dwlee99]

Okay so who is evil?

[Dwlee99]

Your solve should replace Gamma with Jersey, Pooky.

Kerset*

Okay, why this?
I also think I shouldn’t be in Pooky’s solve rn but this is a spicier take to talk about

The heaven push.

[Dwlee99]

A50 as scum could actually deduce that there is only one M, if he got Goon + Godfather. My slip detector turned on.
VOTE: A50

I wouldn't connect sloppiness with intelligence.

Sorry I meant this

[Dwlee99]

Meta is bad stop using it so much.

[Dwlee99]

Cakez can be mad he is being pushed for what he believes are bad reasons and still be evil.

[Dwlee99]

Almost50's posts almost make too much sense that he might be evil lol

[Dwlee99]

"too towny to be town"........ that's a new one

- lilith

Almost50's posts almost make too much sense that he might be evil lol

It doesn't make sense at all and that's why I'm questioning myself here.

Y'all have to understand what happened in Noughts and Crosses to get it, but it was mostly tongue-in-cheek anyway.

[Dwlee99]

The way you all are just constantly using meta here is making the game extremely hard for me to follow or get anything out of.

[Dwlee99]

Almost50's posts almost make too much sense that he might be evil lol

what does this mean

Last time I played with almost50 I felt like I didn't understand any of his thoughts.

[Dwlee99]

The way you all are just constantly using meta here is making the game extremely hard for me to follow or get anything out of.

"too towny to be town"........ that's a new one

- lilith

Almost50's posts almost make too much sense that he might be evil lol

It doesn't make sense at all and that's why I'm questioning myself here.

Y'all have to understand what happened in Noughts and Crosses to get it, but it was mostly tongue-in-cheek anyway.

isn't this a bit hypocritical

- lilith

"Mostly tongue-in-cheek"

[Dwlee99]

No, it was mostly tongue-in-cheek.

[Dwlee99]

I've played one game with him in the past at least 3 or 4 years and he replaced in (what the game setup made) ELO.

[Dwlee99]

is there a reason why a period of silence from you is followed by a joke that doesn't really add anything onto the discussion?

I also told y'all I can't contribute if all we are doing is meta which you ignored for some reason.

[Dwlee99]

If you read that post you have your answer.

[Dwlee99]

Also about an hour before the joke post I reiterated my scum read on Cakez in light of some of the discussion about him thinking the push on him was for bad reasons.

[Dwlee99]

Me saying I hate the meta talk and want it to stop is steering the conversation.

[Dwlee99]

Meta is bad stop using it so much.

The way you all are just constantly using meta here is making the game extremely hard for me to follow or get anything out of.

complaining: "meta is bad, i'm not getting anything out of it."

steering the conversation: "meta is bad, i'm not getting anything out of it. why don't we talk about x instead? i have y read on z person, does anyone agree/disagree?"

I mean sure I could have done that... except I felt completely disconnected from the game because of meta being the entirety of the post-RVS stage. I said my thing about my read on Cakez and I have already expressed my read on Kerset but I'm focused on Cakez right now.

[Dwlee99]

Crap, I uploaded the wrong image. One sec.

[Dwlee99]

[Dwlee99]

Datisi what did you get from your conversation with me?

[Dwlee99]

Also your vote was on kerset, why are you switching to umlaut who is probably less likely to be scum?

[Dwlee99]

Then what do I do?? I vote a townie and lose the game (Sorry, DWlee)

[Dwlee99]

I don't like Tigerente's posts recently.

[Dwlee99]

Okay well we caught scum y'all

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Tigerente
This before cakez

[Dwlee99]

I knew you weren't voting me anymore, Tigerente. I think your posts were weird like I said. It just all came across so unnecessarily annoyed and angry.

[Dwlee99]

It was to 565

[Dwlee99]

I don't like Tigerente's posts recently.

cool arguments

Are you scumreading me, friend?

[Dwlee99]

It sounds like you disagree with my feelings on those posts. Why?

[Dwlee99]

All i see are regular posts. So what is the reasoning? *slowly losing patience*

Well they're bad posts. Read off. Defensive. Dare I say... scummy?

[Dwlee99]

I think Kerset is chainsawing you fwiw.

[Dwlee99]

just to make sure i understand:
you think they're attacking you in order to defend us?

~ skitteR

Yes. The one thing I see them react to is me saying I think your posts are weird and scummy and the way they reacted was an implicit attack on me. "Great argument" makes me sound scummy.

And dwlee can u maybe elaborate a bit on why u find us scummy?

~ skitter

I think your posting is weird and defensive in a way I don't expect town to behave. Y'all were also acting strange about penguin saying bork can't be read like normal cause of the hydra.

I think Kerset is chainsawing you fwiw.

and I'm worried that, if you're town, you're getting caught up in circular arguments that presuppose we're both scum. Do you think Kerset's posting on this page is scummy irrespective of our alignment?

-b

Yes I think it is scummy even if you're town.

[Dwlee99]

Happy birthday a50! (name is getting a little outdated, huh? )

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Kerset
Kerset is just open chainsawing imo

[Dwlee99]

Oh mb wasn't tracking that.

[Dwlee99]

I think your posting is weird and defensive in a way I don't expect town to behave.

dwlee, could you elaborate / give examples for this?

Sure but I've been chronically phone posting so soonTM.

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Kerset
Kerset is just open chainsawing imo

You try to justify BoP wagon by putting things in to my mouth. Very scummy.

What if a bop.

[Dwlee99]

What is a BoP y'all.

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Kerset
Kerset is just open chainsawing imo

You try to justify BoP wagon by putting things in to my mouth. Very scummy.

Okay well given that's the meaning I'm confused how this makes any sense. Kerset's vote was bad and is chainsawing.

VOTE: Kerset
Kerset is just open chainsawing imo

who is kerset pushing and defending, and why do you think it’s partner-indicative?

- lilith

Kerset pushed me for my push on Tigerente.

[Dwlee99]

Datisi is already waiting for me to go through and select the posts I don't like from Tigerente so you'll get that then. Why do I think it is partner-indicative? Cause it is chainsawing.

[Dwlee99]

I don't like Tigerente's posts recently.

cool arguments

I don't like Tigerente's posts recently.

cool arguments

Are you scumreading me, friend?

Do you i need to SR you to get make you talk? Why so hostile/paranoid?

Yes. The one thing I see them react to is me saying I think your posts are weird and scummy and the way they reacted was an implicit attack on me. "Great argument" makes me sound scummy.

You make a naked vote with 'looks bad'. How scummy of me to expect a reasoning.

VOTE: Kerset
Kerset is just open chainsawing imo

You try to justify BoP wagon by putting things in to my mouth. Very scummy.

[Dwlee99]

I mean just ask yourself why Kerset came back from doing nothing to specifically attack me saying I don't like Tigerente's posts. Either they're both scum or Kerset is trying to setup a miselim on Tigerente and Kerset is still evil. Yeet this please.

[Dwlee99]

elaborate
this is an easy comment for you to throw as scum

You and two others

I don't like Tigerente's posts recently.

elaborate
this is an easy comment for you to throw as scum

@mods can we get a prod on kerset

I have my own way of prodding her

VOTE: Kerset

this kind of bugs me though

I'm not interested in Kerset. Feels like limbait and also the game has stalled around the two wagons on him and I which makes me think he's also town and scum are just happy with this gamestate.

VOTE: almost50
let's shake this tree

I feel like the game stalling on a wagon is not normally indicative that they are on town??

[Dwlee99]

I feel like the game stalling on a wagon is not normally indicative that they are on town??

if the wagons were on scum presumably we'd see counterwagon attempts, no?

If the scum are already on counterwagons what are you expecting? All of the scum jumping up and down and saying "no vote this person instead!!"?

[Dwlee99]

I feel like the game stalling on a wagon is not normally indicative that they are on town??

if the wagons were on scum presumably we'd see counterwagon attempts, no?

If the scum are already on counterwagons what are you expecting? All of the scum jumping up and down and saying "no vote this person instead!!"?

so who are the scum buddies on counterwagons if you think this is the case?

You and Tigerente both on Gamma.

[Dwlee99]

Like "where's the counterwagon huh?" *Proceeds to make counterwagon*

[Dwlee99]

unless the team is exactly cakes/kerset/tiger

This is my solve tho

[Dwlee99]

Select one of kerset, cakez, and tig for vote today and you have my blessing. Will post my Tig stuff later but it's also my least preferred (and other people's least preferred too it seems)

[Dwlee99]

Why can't it be me?

[Dwlee99]

Why can't it be me?

Because you're probably scum

Nou

[Dwlee99]

Cakey I wish it didn't have to be this way

[Dwlee99]

Just don't roll scum then fivehead

[Dwlee99]

Lol okay maybe one of Kerset and Tiggy isn't scum

[Dwlee99]

Does kerset or cakez have more votes rn?

[Dwlee99]

unless the team is exactly cakes/kerset/tiger

This is my solve tho

so what i'm avoding the cakez bus to take a kerset bus ?
what am i doing even

~ skitteR

Cakez power role? Think you can keep Cakez alive longer? All kinds of explanations

[Dwlee99]

i would start a non-sircakez wagon on any of the other lhf slots not named kerset

For instance, on Gamma?

[Dwlee99]

Feel like the tiger slot might be telling on themselves with that comment.

[Dwlee99]

Why are you calling me low-hanging-fruit this is mad cap

[Dwlee99]

Anyway

yes but that's not how i would do it
it woudl serve a purpose
lolstarting a wagon on kerset there is just silly

i also think this argument is functionally pointless but i will bicker about it if need be because i wouldn't do that

pedit sure - i wouldn't start a wagon on kerset in the middle tho, why not just go for gamma in the first place >.>

~ skitteR

We can talk about it post-game if you're evil then

Also why did Kerset's posting change your mind? I don't get that. I don't think any of the posts between your scum and town read were townie.

pedit sorry dwlee <3
you wouldn't be too hard to start a wagon on i wager, that may have been a better way to phrase it

~ skitteR

I mean that's how I interpreted and I don't really think it is true.

[Dwlee99]

Also why did Kerset's posting change your mind? I don't get that. I don't think any of the posts between your scum and town read were townie.

they weren't inhrently townie so much as i don't think that's how scum reacts
he just ... doesn't seem to care much about getting wagoned
i think scum usually does ...

he's barely even acknowledging the wagon on him
like i think scum feel defensive / feel the heat / feel like they need to do so something about getting wagoned
and he's just not

~ skitteR

I feel like this is more of a playstyle thing than an alignment indicative one. Kerset's returning posts were bad.

if anything i'm kinda thinkign that the fact that yours stalled while kerset's went up so fast points to scum-you / town-kerset

This reasoning doesn't make sense unless you can point to scum that are hopping on kerset to avoid cakez. This kind of wagon speed tell is kinda short-sighted imo because if a lot of townies agree on a scumread the wagon will go fast. The game is mostly town, remember.

[Dwlee99]

Can we just wagon Kerset to at least claim already? Too much talk too little votes.

[Dwlee99]

Cakez: if you, kerset, and tiger are all town then I am horrendously bad at this game.

[Dwlee99]

Almost50 voting for scum is actually a scum claim given recent events.

[Dwlee99]

Why is Datisi on Gamma and not Kerset?

[Dwlee99]

Can we just wagon Kerset to at least claim already? Too much talk too little votes.

The purpose of claim is to avoid miselim. You want it here to accurate down kill/rb targets
VOTE: dwlee

I mean we could yeet you without claim but generally I like making sure we aren't killing a mason or something.

[Dwlee99]

Kerset if you're town just give me something to show that, like find a scum or something (and no I don't count because I'm not)

[Dwlee99]

I town-read penguin and pooky so they've already done things to make me think they are town. What an odd response to my request.

[Dwlee99]

Ty

[Dwlee99]

My opinions are zero percent sheeped tyvm.

[Dwlee99]

Okay so sorry to Cake and Tiger. I was going to push Tiger today for associatives but the other mafia is dead. Now this is basically a mountainous game given the roles we know are available and I almost want to random elim but meh

Pedit: Datisi there is no third mafia.

[Dwlee99]

Wait the vig claim has to be fake right? Role pm confirms one 2 person mafia.
VOTE: Tigerente [/post]

[Dwlee99]

Welcome, Almost50. You are a Mafia Roleblocker, along with [REDACTED]

Abilities:

Factional Communication: At all points throughout the game, you may talk to [REDACTED]

am I misreading this?
VOTE: Tigerente

[Dwlee99]

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... #Cop_Roles

[quote=]TTTTTTT = Goon + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)

TTTTTT = Goon + Godfather

TTTTT = Goon + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)

TTTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker[/quote]
We must have rolled one M and one C, meaning a vig would push us into three mafia territory (but there is only 2 mafia)

Pedit: oh what, why do the flips say one partner then???

Pedit2: oh thanks @mena, I'm stupid.

[Dwlee99]

So I think we no elim and then Tigerente shoots Cakez again? Or we can just kill Cakez directly.

[Dwlee99]

I thought a50 was town as well.

If i was BP SK I wouldn't have killed A50 lol he would have been a great push for me today

I think you're BP sk.

[Dwlee99]

Should we mass claim here?

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Cakez

Got em

2/3 day 1 solve let's goooo >Dababy<

[Dwlee99]

i wish i could gauge the likelihood of us getting RBed. I don't think we softed or anything yesterday so it's an unfortunate coincidence if that's what happened

-b

Cake just claimed BP I don't think you got roleblocked.

[Dwlee99]

I think so... I don't see town!cake saying that?

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee looks so scummy here trying to push Tig with that rolecard crap

I thought that there were 2 scum which meant there couldn't be a vigilante by setup details. How is that scummy?

[Dwlee99]

I still think Cakez is BP sk or is mafia like I initially suspected. Eliminate cakez today, leash Tigerente tonight, this should be a won game.

[Dwlee99]

Okay then we are looking at the chance of tiger getting roleblocked which I think is small. Cakez should flip BP sk here.

[Dwlee99]

Fivehead
UNVOTE:

[Dwlee99]

VT

[Dwlee99]

Gamma just keep reading.

I think Dwlee assumed [REDACTED] had to be redacting only one word, or something like that

Yea this. Normally when I see mods do this they put all the names comma separated with redacted in between.

[Dwlee99]

I have a theory on what the thing is and I'm gonna save it til end of massclaim

[Dwlee99]

Oh I was thinking the scum realized they should've been a godfather if Umlaut is roleblocker and Tiger is vigilante, and so one of those two or the scum got the wrong pm

[Dwlee99]

So massclaim still good imo

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Cakez
I just want to know if I was right on this slot.

[Dwlee99]

Penguin said it like last page homie.

[Dwlee99]

I mean - it’s very unlikely that I am groupscum given the wagon on Kerset and it’s also very unlikely I shoot A50 there as vig or SK so given my history with A50 so...idk.

I can still go cakez....or ig heaven or....*gasp* pooky.

[Dwlee99]

Still want to eliminate cake btw.

[Dwlee99]

If I'm SK I'm not hard pushing an elimination on mafia. Easiest way to get night killed ever.

[Dwlee99]

I was pretty sure that was flipping red.

[Dwlee99]

I think cakez is sk now ftr (associatives with a50 don't really make sense unless he saw Kerset was going down so he might as well vote a50) but in general I just think he is acting suspicious as hell. I don't think town!cakez scumreads me this far into the game and it feels less like an actual scum pool but just people he thinks he could try to push miselims on.

I also want to point out he said "haha you caught me XD" which makes me want to yeet him at the speed of light. I think claiming scum is super scummy.

Ok I don't know that

Kerset was sus

[Dwlee99]

I mean you don't know who's mafia and who isn't

This
Dwlee's defense is ridiculous

You're scum so I don't care what you think.

[Dwlee99]

Like here's the deal: I caught scum, I hard pushed it, I was right, I feel like I'm pretty much obvtowning here and that you think I'm scummy is scum-indicative itself fmpov.

Infinity is not scum and says the same thing lol what a bad retort

Infinity isn't going around being dumb though.

[Dwlee99]

I'm burden of proficiency-ing you right now, I don't think town!cakez scumreads me here.

[Dwlee99]

I'm burden of proficiency-ing you right now, I don't think town!cakez scumreads me here.

Why not?

I'm towning it up in here that's why.

[Dwlee99]

Should we make targets conditional on the flip? Roleblock I guess not, but maybe the vig target should be?

[Dwlee99]

Ok fine, give me + bork a bit to sync on a target
I would advise keeping cakez off of e1 sp that he doesnt self hammwr prior to those things being decided

Self-hammering would be playing against win condition, no?

[Dwlee99]

Eh maybe it is for bork actually, i think he wanta to flip you on a town-cakes flip

I don't like that plan

considering there are no more partner-scum alive, i don't see how a conditional improves anything

i mean, if cakez flips bp sk, you can deviate from the plan since there will no longer be anything to stop you, but other than that /shrug

pedit: huh nvm then

The conditional would be something like "If cakez flips sk, shoot person more likely to be maf than sk" and "If cakez flips maf, ..." etc. If cakez flips town then I guess the shot target is much less dictated by a conditional and it's just whoever is scummy.

[Dwlee99]

dwlee what's your cakez experience to the point you feel you can make this BoP argument

also just didn't expect that kind of thing from you considering how ardently anti-meta you were earlier in the game

-b

I played with him years and years ago and we generally were decent at figuring out when we were town. Okay, actually, cakez would just always think I was town when he was town from what I remember. I don't really consider BoP the same thing as meta, it's just kind of like cakez please be better at playing this game and figuring it out (which kind of exists for everyone), and I think that town!cakez would have a smaller PoE but he has to include me because otherwise there aren't enough miselims for him to win.

[Dwlee99]

Mmm that's fair
UNVOTE:
Okay maybe you're not evil but find the other scum to prove it.

[Dwlee99]

Actually hm you could be evil anyway and just do this otherwise but I also feel like you haven't provided any actual reasons to scumread me. Like okay paranoid sure maybe but why do you actually think I'm evil.

[Dwlee99]

I town-read a50 and I think a couple of other people did too. A bunch of people who did said so at the beginning of day 2 iirc.

[Dwlee99]

A50 is an odd shot since the SK wants to shoot town with 1 scum gone.

Who was townreading A50 besides me lol

Who was townreading A50 besides me lol

i started townreading him during the night xD

I thought a50 was town as well.

If i was BP SK I wouldn't have killed A50 lol he would have been a great push for me today

I think you're BP sk.

Interesting

Maybe they thought A50 was a PR

Anyway SKs suck

PEdit: makes sense

[Dwlee99]

i think it's suspcious that he's actively looking to be rb'd (i.e. over vigged)

honestly this is bothering me a lot actually, that he kinda volunteered himself to be rb'd

pedit i know that infinity didn't make the shot
and i don't really think dats is scum (or makes that shot)

Yes, I'm just providing info on who said they town-read a50 cause you asked for it.

[Dwlee99]

Biggest points towards "cakez read on me is terribad" is that I don't think I've seen him even consider the possibility of me being town this entire game. Not only that, but the pushes on me were: wow Dwlee looks bad for pushing tiger on role card stuff, it's easy to just say tiger's posts seem scummy, saying my post where I say kerset is chainsawing was "garbage," and then there was the "you seem to have fake conviction on pushing tiger for joke reasons." Terrible push reasons, little consideration of trying to find my alignment. It reads like "I will try to push Dwlee for a miselim" is his primary goal.

[Dwlee99]

And I also want to say I think my tiger read wasn't too off cause power roles tend to play scummier I feel like that's just a fact.

[Dwlee99]

I don't think I've seen him even consider the possibility of me being town this entire game

ngl this is lowkey kinda how i felt about you w/ us earlier (and maybe how penguin feels w/ us on him)

circle of life

p-edit: fucking :eyeroll: lol

-b

I think I at least gave you some chance. I don't really remember how it went though, I just looked through Cakez's ISO for my name and reported back my read on the read. It's super shallow.

[Dwlee99]

Whether SK no kills or not I think we have this locked down so Pooky is probably the best yeet.

[Dwlee99]

Assuming Umlaut and Tigerente town autowins if the SK doesn't kill. Suppose the game gets to 4 players: Umlaut and Tigerente choose to eliminate someone, Umlaut blocks them and Tigerente shoots.

[Dwlee99]

The remaining person*

[Dwlee99]

Three confirmed town?

[Dwlee99]

Oh right, infinity is IC lol

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Pooky

[Dwlee99]

Oh right, we need to look for the mod error.

[Dwlee99]

If there was only 1 V rolled then there wouldn't have been an SK.

[Dwlee99]

I have a theory on the mod error, once Pooky and Heaven claim I'll share.

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Heaven
This is who Tigerente said they are shooting. Should be dead if VT

[Dwlee99]

If heaven flips VT then Tiger must have done a huge brain play to claim vigilante as SK and we kill them next.

[Dwlee99]

Oh right, I think I figured that out yesterday and then forgot my paranoia should have been on Umlaut not on Tiger.

[Dwlee99]

Also penguin is conftown because umlaut blocked him.

[Dwlee99]

Thanks for modding! Gg everyone.