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What?In post 15, Enchant wrote:Yes.
Cult Leader should claim immediatly, so we can figure strategy.
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Fine so.
If you are Town Cop and found someone as Cult, don't just claim "OH THIS PERSON IS CULT", lynch them by normal means, take other reasons, last thing you want to realise you claim, lynched cult and they brainwash you next night.
If you are Town Rolestopper, you exist only in setup with Cop/Tracker, spam your ability on them so they are not converted. No, there's no excuse.
If you are Town Jailkeeper, go jail person you suspect as Cult Leader (Like literally there's nothing to add)
If you are Town Tracker and found suspicious visit... Then your decision, it could be simple townie or Cult RoleCop/Roleblocker (you don't want end up in cult after lynching them do u?), so try push person on E-1 where they are forced to claim. SIMPLE.
If you are Friendly Neighbour, go make friends (like literally there's nothing to add).
If you are notRecruitable townie, claim Day 2, so you can't be just CCed, power worthless anyway and you can't be killed not by town.
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Why were you expecting this?In post 56, Enchant wrote:I expecting osuka softbus Lemons without any sane reasons, but fearing to actually push him over river because it's too much.
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Many games where mafia always push other mafia "for a bit" and then forgetting like it ever happened gives me this.
Why you even vote if you fear hammers, you always can discuss without votes altogether.-
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It would be great if he though he is town, but it's not like that.In post 81, Raya36 wrote:
I can see where you're coming from but why do you think someone unvoting at E-1 is more likely to come from soft-bussing scum than town concerned about a quick-elim?In post 76, Enchant wrote:He is acting most outrageous with votes on Lemons (literally #1, VOTEVOTEVOTE and then suddenly "oh wait nvm unvote i fear quickhammers")
Maybe we have different minds, but why i should even care to save someone i vote if i think he ismafiacult.-
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Can't argue with that.In post 94, Raya36 wrote:
Not everyone votes in the mindset that person is absolutely scum. I was on Lemons too and unvoted when they were brought to E-1.In post 87, Enchant wrote:
It would be great if he though he is town, but it's not like that.In post 81, Raya36 wrote:
I can see where you're coming from but why do you think someone unvoting at E-1 is more likely to come from soft-bussing scum than town concerned about a quick-elim?In post 76, Enchant wrote:He is acting most outrageous with votes on Lemons (literally #1, VOTEVOTEVOTE and then suddenly "oh wait nvm unvote i fear quickhammers")
Maybe we have different minds, but why i should even care to save someone i vote if i think he ismafiacult.
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Problem with this game is cult leader. We can murder one cultist per day and still lose, simple because of spamming cultists.
That's reason why i want to see early accusations, because cult leader NEED something to cover self up. That's same with mafia who always bus self not actively for distancing. But here, leader could and probably should hardbus cultists (he always can get more).
Would cult risk to softbus leader, like mafia do? I think yes. That's reason why i suspect Lemons who you already townread and, surprising, osuka who... No comments, you already see that.
T3 is probably not Cult, because when i was mafia with him in other game, first thing he do is trying to kill teammate for townpoints and get murdered, idk if he changed his atlitude, but it's not like he actively accuse someone.
Flea is dangerous, i can't predict.
About others i have nothing to say.
Would cult not bus? Well. Yes. But i somehow believe they do.
Ergo,we can win only by randomlynch and hoping we cover Cult Leader with it. Why this is striked, that's truth. Sad, but true, go use your SCUMREADING powers or something, because not sure how to win this otherwise, but i think Lemons/osuka is best pet here.-
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After this talk i just realised.
Maybe it's not bad idea to reveal Unrecruitable townies right now, so they couldn't get CCed later by Cult when they have numbers (and they will have with high chance)?
While it denies power they have, they will not be counterclaimed (unless by cult PR/Cult Leader who is insane enough). It actually nets us with 2/6 chances to hit cult and 1/6 to find Cult Leader (from VT perspective).
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Main idea in avoiding situation with 4 PR claims on Day 2 (Two Cult and Two Town UnRecruitable), because it's really bad position, where we need:
1. Argue would CL risk will be in these group of PR
2. If so, who could be it around PR
3. If not, same, but with VTs
Instead of 2 confirmed towns, we get some insane games with wine.
As told before, cult can regenerate members, so i expect suicidal games. They literally lose nothing from it.-
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You don't.In post 220, Flea The Magician wrote:Eugh so town remains infoless, I was assuming flips as "Cult Tracker" and stuff.
Hmm... ok I need ot think on this.
If you are PR, you should claim before dying. Either you die anyway, but point who you used ability on and save town some headache, or survive and actually help town (if you can't count, we have 3 myslynches. And lynching of common cultist COUNTS as Myslynch for that purpose. Actually it's harder to count, but you get idea, killing Cop is waste regardless if he is real or converted, and quickens cult win).
Also we could consider "Unrecruitable" gambit, where all PRs claim Unrecruitable if forced.
Then we can protect PRs via that and not to lose so much from if there's indeed Unrecruitable (cult could waste convert on them).
So if you are PR, you can consider claim Unrecruitable regardless of real one.-
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Game in a nutshell.
Major gain wagon because of putting moderator and activity issue, have "oh, i don't want to die" and make "OH ENCHANT DOESN'T MAKE READS" while i have in ISO clear names, which persons elim i pretty fine with.
Ergo, he does blind accusations again, ignore my trying to solve this (oh right, effort in solving meta not count, because cult would do that) and trying save self.
If you think it's hard to point at any thing, scream any abbreviation and make "reads" from that, i have bad news for you or myself.
For you, you just calling randomlynch via good word "SCUMREADING".
For me, seems like i am never gonna learn art of "SCUMREADING".
Don't worry, i perform SCUMREADING and catch scum right now. Hold up.-
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Because that's truth, i randomised it.In post 262, InsidiousLemons wrote:
what motivated you to make this post? this variety of openly bad voting doesn't even feel particularly scummy because i don't know what scum gains from it either. it's just weird. what is your strategy here?In post 256, Enchant wrote:random.org never lies
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Watch people who doesh't understand jokes and jump for that.In post 268, InsidiousLemons wrote:okay, fine. how do you hope to advance towards a gamesolve with a vote that you randomized? it seems like the point you're trying to make is that attempting to scumhunt isn't any better than just randomly eliminating someone, which i disagree with. and either way, i don't think it's helpful to pointedly refuse to attempt to produce reads when presented with the valid observation that you've been "playing around the game" rather than actually playing the game.
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I already pointed, osuka and you are main suspects from me, because of likelyhood of distancing.InsidiousLemons wrote:
like, maybe it's just the language barrier, but i can't find a single post of yours that seems to indicate you want anyone in particular eliminated today. you don't seem to be pushing anyone with any degree of focus or conviction.In post 247, Enchant wrote:Major gain wagon because of putting moderator and activity issue, have "oh, i don't want to die" and make "OH ENCHANT DOESN'T MAKE READS" while i have in ISO clear names, which persons elim i pretty fine with.
and what's definitely NOT the language barrier is the fact that you were voteparked on flea from RVS right up until you voted for raya, which is another random vote. you have not used your vote to actually apply pressure to anyone in this entire game so far. i would love if you could give us an overview of your reads up to this point.
p-edit jokes don't advance the game. the points i've made in this post still stand
About reads so far. Don't open or you get heartattack.
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In fact, i can't remember any game with you, where i was town.In post 277, Flea The Magician wrote:@Enchant you're better than just randoming D1, I know that for a fact.-
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I did.In post 283, Flea The Magician wrote:Why haven't you before now?
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I planned to do that anyway, that's reason why i asked what you mind about it. I see this as not bad way.In post 301, Umlaut wrote:Uhhhh wtf
You had, what, two votes on you? This was completely unnecessary.-
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How you could know this, if i didn't claim PR yet?In post 311, Flea The Magician wrote:6 days to go,
Enchant, I am disappointed in you. You knw you're getting culted tonight, right?-
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My plan was to pose as Unrecruitable, so i am not end up brainwashed and help tracker/cop catch actual cult, not wasting check on me and help you in finding CL.
Of course i will post my targets.
It sorta failed, but because after you know my role, you have higher chances to lynch CL and i think we could do that.
Btw. After this night i could be converted. Don't lynch me if CL alive, no matter what i say or do, because drawing lynch on me instead of CL and freeing cult slot is not in town favor and this is first thing i would do as convert.
... Honestly idk, i would be idiot if i didn't try to wine it and probably do. Just consider me foe after this night.
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Mafia is hard.
I expect from CL being considered as town or atleast hiding around when other people pushed. This is most vital role, which cult want to save at all cost. So i expect SecondCult to push everything around. Even if he die, what he lose? Nothing can stop CL convert now if he really want.
But considering cult need just 1-2 day to screw town over, i think they could be passive and just sit with popcorn.
Also. I asked to not claim, because knowing i am PR for said PR is pretty powerful knowledge, without endangering me. I realised it too late and you can't read my mind and ye, i lynched/forced to claim at day 1 very, VERY often. Counterclaim situation is bad for me, because how likely possibility you believe cult, not me.
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Bruh.In post 442, Major Minor wrote:
Done.In post 441, Dwlee99 wrote:Major, I think you should consider switching to Umlaut because I agree with you on that read and am unconvinced on T3. There are 3 days so I think we have time to pressure there.
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Sorry, but it's dangerous to put anyone at E-1.
Cult can hammer with funny excuse. They can just throw self around, and because i revealed, their convert always will success (either it will be me or roleblock me and convert someone else). Of course you will know who is cult (or triggerhappy town) after that, but i don't think lynching simple cult member is Worthing potential of instahammered cop/tracker.
So i want avoid it. Also don't put people on E-1, if you really want claim from them, simple say so.
TL'DR: Don't put at E-1 unless we certainly decide this person dying.-
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Yes. It gives.In post 453, Major Minor wrote:
But... we didn't put them at E-1.In post 447, Enchant wrote:Sorry, but it's dangerous to put anyone at E-1.
Cult can hammer with funny excuse. They can just throw self around, and because i revealed, their convert always will success (either it will be me or roleblock me and convert someone else). Of course you will know who is cult (or triggerhappy town) after that, but i don't think lynching simple cult member is Worthing potential of instahammered cop/tracker.
So i want avoid it. Also don't put people on E-1, if you really want claim from them, simple say so.
TL'DR: Don't put at E-1 unless we certainly decide this person dying.
And even then, cult coming in and superhammering just gives us a claimed cult?
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My thoughts will be subjective, because i can't understand this way.In post 459, Dwlee99 wrote:Okay gimme your thoughts.
Can't understand what Beetlejuice tell mean, there's nothing on wiki. I want explaination if you can.I was about to say "Beetlejuice tell" but Beetlejuice is paradoxically so well-known that for someone with a 2014 join date it's effectively an anti-tell
I walked ISO of Umlaut, and he actually voted me long ago, but noticed Major include mod in suspiciouns list and caught attention. Most funny thing, he only person who asked why town simple can't randomvote. He voted after i claimed PR which is pretty logical thing. I quess...?I'm suddenly more interested in this than I am in the Major or T3. Lemons' jump onto Enchant is oddly timed in that based on their posts they should have voted Enchant pages and pages prior but didn't vote Enchant until it was safe (look at 290 basically asking Major's permission to join the wagon??)-
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