Open 806: JK9++ (Game Over!)

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Hello, hello, good morning to everyone but Elon Musk

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: schiavetto

(You)

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hello memers

Sorry, meme-free zone. No fun allowed.

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hello memers

Sorry, meme-free zone. No fun allowed.

can i un-tunnel infinity?

- hYdra

I'll allow it.

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Anyway, quick heads up, I have kids again in like, 10min, then I'm afk til some time after 5pm. Will exist more then.

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hello memers

Sorry, meme-free zone. No fun allowed.

damn who are you the fun police?

VOTE: Schiavetto

1312, etc. etc.

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Alright cool, back. Apologies for daylong pause.

Right off the bat, it feels like most of you know each other pretty well, which is great! I don't know any of you, though, and culture clash kills games, so I'm gonna throw some things out there before moving any further:
-EST (bEST)
-I'm at work from 7-5 most weekdays, most of which time is spent interfacing directly via zoom. Activity will reflect that.
-It's been a while since I've played on MS specifically, but if you need reference games I can pull from here, Pokemon Showdown (home community), Smogon, or MU (hydra).
-Probably going to keep most of this shallow for the sake of actually getting back into the thread. Contents of this post apply up through #173, which is where I last left off reading before checking out.

A lot of your names blurred but the main things that jumped out to me:

-From what I can tell, Gypyx head is being townread for energy-levels/engagement mostly? What's the point of comparison for that, and what would you call "energetic" for them? Volume, tone, etc.? Doesn't feel like an (immediately) useful indicator to me w/o some frame of reference

-I think I can vibe with the early townleans on Infinity. A lot of intentionality & probing that, even if it comes from scum, mostly just benefits town in the longrun. Let's run with it.

-I'm going to have to backread to decide how much I actually care about Bridgeburner's shitposting but earlier throwaway remarks aside, I'm not terribly impressed by it, and while I don't find it inherently problematic, it does tend to open itself up pretty easily to hollow remarks like this (which I don't love from Aaron). The less memey shit (134, 140-41) feels cozy though. Cautious TR.

-Going back to Aaron, it's just weird imo what he's chosen to respond to. TR from him on Infinity feels like it only came out to soften his vote. 100 is a weird nitpick for me: the natural follow-up there imo is that suppressing nerves and not having those nerves in the first place are two p different things (which is my next issue with it--reliability/unreliability of nervousness as a tell depends a lot on what nervousness looks like imo, which is more probably more pertinent if you're going to start poking at that line of thinking). It's only a handful of posts, and none of it's egregious, but it feels off.

Clicking submit. Reading rest of thread. Rereading thread in entirety. Posting later tonight.

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VOTE: AaronFrost
Typing.

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Do better. Be better.

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Went back through & this is where I'm at:

Inf
Dat
!Sci
Shydra
BB Bridgers

Peng
!Maf
Imp
Scipio

Isis
Ben
Aaron

[line][/line]

I think Dat's just done a generally good job of giving the game momentum, but mostly I like that there's a concerted effort to keep things concrete. Posts like 68, 168-into-332 & 474 imo do a good job of cutting back at some of the more abstract reads in the thread (w/o necessarily challenging them) and distilling them into something materially useful: v little "PJ makes me feel x", much more "PJ did y which makes me feel x" which is just an overall more productive attitude imo.

I've decided I like Shy here. Partly just feeling comfortable sheeping the Notsci read on the slot (this writeup spells out a lot of the stuff I wanted clarity on earlier re: the meta read, and I'm p satisfied with head consistency + keeping up with the thread as indicators here). Beyond that, though, I like the high posting volume--not really AI in&of itself, but the contents of stuff like 166, 347 & 468 feels extremely generative to me, just doing a very good job of eliciting content which can become AI down the road which, like, I'm into it.

Isis wagon makes sense to me, biggest thing that stood out for me was that 175 was overemoted. At a glance, though, imo Ben's grosser--really don't love their reaction to the wagon on them in 401. Feels extremely loaded to call it a dogpile in the same post that you're asking for reasoning on the votes. The whole "I can't say that scum is on this wagon" feels pretty weak here, too, bc all of it just kind of comes back to the fact that you're not actually

attempting

to make sense of the votes. No attempt from ben to answer their own question, but plenty of effort invested in (preemptively?) painting the wagon as groundless. Similar vibes from 162--if you want more from Isis, ask for more from Isis.

Biggest beef with Aaron is that I feel like they're posting to appear like they're contributing while also being as inoffensive as possible--a lot of talking without saying anything at all. Gave thoughts on some of their earlier content in my last post, but even beyond that it's all very noncommital--like that guy in your grad seminar who didn't do the reading but still opens his mouth because he wants to be perceived as having something to offer. I'm thinking about things like 367 (which is mostly just him making an observation that others have a read on ben while claiming to have no opinion of their own, despite having literally just interacted with ben in his previous post. Follow up is p lackluster, too--post a votecount, make no attempt at analysis) or 446's whole ~what could it mean~ schtick. Like... so much of their ISO is commenting on the amount of townreads being given out & expressing hesitation there, but then doing very little to actually move the game out of that state.

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BBCode is disgusting.

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Hereby i present Random Assorted Thoughts on Recent
- mena doesn't really like schiavetto's entrance but i'm kinda meh on it. don't love the timing of his aaron read

If it's any consolation, I wanted to vote them in my earlier catchup post. Couldn't shake the feeling that it was maybe a bad idea to vote without having read the later half of the game though.

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i have general mild good vibes from aaron with like two specific things that i like a little bit more (366 which I mentioned, also a bit on 167/266)

Those still both feel very.... safe is probably the wrong word for what I mean here, but it's what's coming to mind. What am I not seeing?

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I’m curious why I’m a strong enough townread for them to trust my read particularly when I’ve stated in thread I was wishywashy against scum gypyx in tenet.

Can you elaborate some?

6/10

It's less "Oh, I trust Notsci's take on gypyx" (though to be clear, I do: early progression w/ your comments on them gels with me p solidly) and more "Oh, I like this slot, and I think what Notsci's saying makes a lot of sense in the context of the good things I'm already seeing with this slot." Thought that was clearer in my previous post. If you're questioning why I tr you

at all

, I just think your ISO just generally reads as solve-y. Don't love the self-imposed post limit but we can't all have nice things.

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Schiavetto seems preeeetty town

lots of analysis that is probably town motivated even if it's wrong

schiavetto

,
scipio,
PP
implo
secret hydra
notscience
Datisi
bendover
Infinity
aaronfrost
NM
aaron frost
skitteR

I vaguely remember skimming a newbie a year ago or something and thinking Schiavetto's play looked soft so that's amplifying the read. I don't think I'm unjustified for townbinning Schiavetto off the post anyway, in a vacuum, though. Some of the runners up had minor scumpings offsetting the things I liked about them which might rig things in Schiavetto's favor for having fewer posts but cest la vie

Immediate reaction to this is "Hi, I'm right here in the thread with you and we're playing the same game, please act like it."

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Shiavetto, I'd like to question why you put Scipio and bridge where they are currently.

Wait do you mean like, why are they in that order, or why are they in those buckets? The nulls aren't in any meaningful order--I don't really have any strong feelings either way on Scipio & I'm not willing to make an alignment read off of the godfather comment. Feelings re: BB Bridgers are unchanged.

Feels extremely loaded to call it a dogpile in the same post that you're asking for reasoning on the votes.

Well, I do believe I am allowed to call it a dogpile when my wagon gets 3 consecutive votes in less than 2 hours. Not sure how asking for reasoning on the votes correlates negatively when I also call it a dogpile, votes can still have reasoning but the wagon can still be a dogpile.

The whole "I can't say that scum is on this wagon" feels pretty weak here, too, bc all of it just kind of comes back to the fact that you're not actually

attempting

to make sense of the votes.

I am sorting the votes and trying to make sense of them as you have said because "I asked for the reasoning of the votes". What do you believe "attempting to make sense of the votes" means if asking for the reasoning is not that?

No attempt from ben to answer their own question, but plenty of effort invested in (preemptively?) painting the wagon as groundless.

Which question was this?

I believe with the context of how my wagon was formed I can assert it as groundless.

I mean, it's less about whether you "can" or "can't" and more about how you ask what the reason is behind those votes, but nothing about that post reads to me as you being genuinely interested in understanding the three votes. Like, I don't think it's out of the question for town to have such a defensive reaction there (three votes in quick succession like that is cause for alarm, sure), but where that falls apart for me is that you're not casing yourself, you're not casing any of the three voters, and there's like... no attempt to actually discriminate between the three votes or determine possible motivations for them or anything like that. And it's not like any of that is mandatory or whatever, but the absence is felt. Some of the stuff that follows--like the tangent on phaselengths, or the explanation for your hesitation to read any of those votes--is maybe less glaring, but still kind of feels unnatural to me, almost like an afterthought.
That's p much where I was at.

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I don't really need to interact with people directly as much when I don't feel curious about their alignment.

But I'll try to shift to like not hurt your feelings, doesn't cost me much

No no, that's not what I was getting at, what I mean is like
If you think there's something off about any of the thoughts given, then you know, spell it out, get into it. Bc as it stands, right now a lot of your response there just comes across as looking to bag an easy townread without necessarily having to engage w/ the slot.

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Kind of like 617-24 though. Maybe don't agree with all of it but it feels pretty sincere.

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Fiddler still goes hard.

I get what you mean though. Do you have a link for that scumgame with you & Dat btw? Or did it get posted earlier and I missed it

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viewtopic.php?f=51&t=84622

"Fiddler still goes hard" seems like a popular culture reference I'm missing

as in Fiddler on the Roof--was just reacting to the way you had tradition in caps there. Thanks for the link btw--actually kind of makes me more confident in town!Dat, hydra shenanigans aside.

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Also ftr, I'm good with whatever pronouns.

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I do kind of just like Aaron's posting recently. 714 just strikes me as genuinely town. And the isis unvote, and the way he talked to datisi in his last post.

i'll try to actually be online when other people are at some point soon hopefully :\

re: Aaron, I actually feel the opposite? Like, I kind of held off on responding to them for a bit just to get some distance on that first impression/avoid getting too tunnelly, but 733's a bad look imo. It just feels like more of the same, taking refuge in the gamestate being "sort of stalled" to--again--get out of actually having to opine on anyone. Like, there are some tonal things that are maybe nice in this most recent batch of posts, but a lot of it still boils down to "I'm not sure how to feel about this"--which would be a lot less egregious if there where any sense of urgency, which I don't get from Aaron at all. Part of me wants to like 565 for the pushback on you (don't think you ever answered this btw) but it's very much just echoing what I said, and in the context of 564-66 it's hard not to take it as buddying. I kind of want to like the back-and-forth with Dat, too, but like.... 604 is just stones/glass houses, etc. & 733 isn't even really an answer?
Would love for anyone to change my mind on this.

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i can't tell if you realize me calling it

a sheep vote

was a joke or not

it's

a vote on a player that i believe to be scummy

xk no los dos?

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xk

Pls no

-QB

<3

a vote can be both; this was not.

I mean, I just think it's weird that in the posts directly following your vote on ben, you outright acknowledge that other players have had a strong impact on your reads this game--so why the backpedaling?

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I don't like how implosion is trying to push the ben elim even though he's claimed. Bridge's reaction feels like genuine paranoia while implosion's does not.

Yeah, that tracks

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1032 feels nitpicky to me, though idk if I'd say nitpicky & scummy. 1051 feels bargainy in a gross way though. Might be nothing, might come back to it.

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1032 feels nitpicky to me, though idk if I'd say nitpicky & scummy. 1051 feels bargainy in a gross way though. Might be nothing, might come back to it.

Wanna go back to implo?

Yeah, gimme a bit to let it stew. Like, I vastly prefer an an AFF/Implo flip here regardless (as opposed to Professed Tracker Benjamin Dover) but that line is really squicking me out

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1032 feels nitpicky to me, though idk if I'd say nitpicky & scummy. 1051 feels bargainy in a gross way though. Might be nothing, might come back to it.

Wanna go back to implo?

Right so, part of it may just be me coming off the tail of that whole back-and-forth from earlier over the sheep-but-not-actually-sheep vote on ben from earlier. Like, I do think 831 is a decent take on Ben's initial reaction to his wagon, but it's hard for me to put too much stock in that when it'd already seen a fair amt of attention in the thread at that point. Imp addressed some of my concerns abt it but it's still like... Even jokingly, you called it a sheep vote, in a context where it's not outrageous to interpret it as such, and then spent a solid chunk of time talking around the optics of the vote.

The other thing I'm struggling with here is like--I don't think "I'd be willing to vote sechyd" is

entirely

too far out of left field for imp, but the "I will if you will" + the throwaway line at the end of post kind of puts it in this space for me where it lends itself pretty easily to a "haha, just kidding... unless " situation. And it's like... the build-up there seems to run parallel to some of the other heat Shydra's been getting in thread (to be clear: I don't think it's outrageous to read them here, the willful ignorance angle Isis was poking at earlier has some bite to it), but the progression just kind of goes Zero Engagement -> Admittedly Zero Engagement -> Doing the Bare Minimum -> Suddenly Very Prickly in these later interactions--almost like it's just capitalizing off the attn that's already been put on the spot? The 0 to 60 really stands out to me, but to put it on skitters like that feels like it's just making it easier to detach himself from the vote if things go sotuh/recontextualize the push as needed depending on how things pan out. I'm tinfoiling a bit and kind of rambling, but hopefully you get where I'm coming from with it. Also kind of Huh? for me that he gives us 1023 in response to SecHy's handling of Ben's claim while also doing nothing to try and reconcile that w/ 831's take on Ben's reaction to being wagoned

I'm tinfoiling a bit, but it stuck out to me and I kinda wanna keep chewing on it.
Click submit. Ignore new posts. Click submit.

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I feel as if I have reiterated that point as a yes multiple times

Although in fairness what I’ve said to skitt in pt vs what I’ve said here may have blended into one another

But like skitt isn’t that interested in going there today so I’m leaving it alone. I just got optimistic briefly that she’d changed her mind

-QB

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW9Cu6GYqxo
I believe in Us.

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If we keep going we can make this a ship of Theseus

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I'm quite low on energy to do much but etc.

I absolutely used to get butthurt about wrong scumreads on me but I think that part of me has died down a lot over the years, probably mostly from playing social deception games irl where you're actually playing with people you know and etc. It annoyed me in the past particularly if people didn't have any reason but at this point I like, understand the reasons generally and in this game they've generally been reasonable places to come from, they're just incorrect.

I haven't gotten much townvibe from S_S's posting (not mentioning all the weirdness early on) and I feel like in the past I've always found him very naturally town as town. So. Disinclined from dropping the wagon.

I also have noticed that my wagon is kind of strangely not gaining any traction. Which is also kind of weird bc I haven't been a paragon of innovation in the past day or two, I have been pretty lurky. I don't think there's necessarily a deep reason for that though.

I think scum might just be scared of making big shifts in the potentially fragile gamestate

or like, getting caught partnered with S_S if he is scum. If he is scum they're probably assuming he's not living to endgame.

p-edit: five posts i am not reading

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Like, does that not read as autodescriptive to anyone else

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Y'all.

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VOTE: implosion

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@Something_Smart why are you on penguin

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the thing i got out of the last couple pages are that isis and shirou are probably town and nothing that was said tells me much of anything about s_s


may i offer as a third option

VOTE: aaronfrost

VOTE: aaron

good votes, prefer them vastly to the SS wagon

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low prio but also peta when you get the chance talk to me about how you think the imp wagon began

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I'm interested in your reasons for the vote though.

PP has felt more useless than he usually does, to the point where I was pretty surprised to see that he had 144 posts.

Very roughly, my impression of his towngame is that he makes snarky comments that are sometimes productive or good points, and as scum he fades into the background more. He's been present, but not really doing much that feels like it will advance the game, aside from voting/campaigning for votes which is pretty easy for scum to do.

s_s is hard to read so I don’t know if he really believes that or not despite being wrong.

right that's all well and good but it's been pages of (tiresome) back and forth over A Variety of Topics of Various Levels of Interest and i'd've preferred to hear from SS why he lands on you here rather than imp/aaron

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good votes, prefer them vastly to the SS wagon

Why’s that?

because as much as i disliked ben, and as much as i've disliked SS's recovery of the slot, i'm still not 100% willing to look past the claim atm (i still don't think i've seen anyone try and reconcile it w/ his initial panic @ being voted), and i think at this point an imp/aaron flip is more generative

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Riiight - and quoting his exact words is not hearing from SS why landed on me.

got it.

cool, as long as we're doing the snark thing

rather than imp/aaron

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Right - that wasn’t my point. Why if AFF a good vote when you (seemingly) prefer implosion?

I shifted off Aaron when it started feeling like a dead end several pages back and went with imp, whom i also read & who looked more viable

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Riiight - and quoting his exact words is not hearing from SS why landed on me.

got it.

cool, as long as we're doing the snark thing

rather than imp/aaron

yeah - it’s amazing that someone gives a reason and people expect that to be the stated reason.

Amazing.

Not doing this with you.

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Honestly shouldn't've the first time.

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Right - that wasn’t my point. Why if AFF a good vote when you (seemingly) prefer implosion?

and went with imp, whom i also read & who looked more viable

I assume there is a “and found scummy for [reasons]” in there somewhere.

Yeah, I've given reasons on both over the course of the thread but basically my issue with imp is that i see them as playing very hands off in a way that lends itself to a lot of revisionism &w/ aaron the substanceless posts.

Still no idea where the energy in 1729 is coming from, but to be clear: i guess it came across as being snippety, but I very much meant what i said in 1728, i had been hoping to hear from SS themselves. I don't really agree with peta that you're

pushable

for scum necessarily, but the vanity wagon against two maybe divisive opposing wagons looked off and it's the sort of thing you hope someone maybe gives a bit of insight into when given the opportunity to

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right that's all well and good but it's been pages of (tiresome) back and forth over A Variety of Topics of Various Levels of Interest and i'd've preferred to hear from SS why he lands on you here rather than imp/aaron

The post that PP quoted is still current. I'm not aware of the reasons implosion and Aaron are being wagoned.

Thanks, appreciated - though it does strike me as odd that by now you wouldn't have at least some idea of how those two popped up. Like, where I'm at rn is that you rep'd into a very !!! slot, have been p vocally worried about getting immediately yeeted but then you also have no pulse on the two competing wagons? i'm having a hard time making that make sense for survival-minded would-be outed town pr

still not really sure i buy the PP vote here - &honestly the follow up here makes it harder to accept the "useless" read, if only because like... what context are you working with to arrive @ that conclusion

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i wonder how Inf reads 1778

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Idt it was an outstanding case either, was mostly about them characterizing your vote as a sheep boat

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*vote

that's solid though. I think i mostly just want this phase to be over.

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So tired.

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Hope you all had a good sleep.
Red flip is nice. this is still scum.
VOTE: implosion

Cose da fare:
-reread both hydras, both of them keep doing things i like & things that make me go huh? &i need to make a more concerted effort to place them
-iso peta, not super thrilled w/ them since they subbed in

Most confident in t!peng & t!inf right now. I like dat less than i used to; i like isis more than i used to.

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Nice pagetop

I've thought a lot about this and i think you should change your pfp to Snubbull. Lmk what you think

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prodge for the prodgeless

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building reopens this week so things are Busy - haven't lost motivation for the game but less time than expected.

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slanking toward bethlehem

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anyway i still intend to make good on previous to-do list, just like personally need to sort through those pieces to feel more confident in Life After Implo

i think it was infinity who asked if i felt iffy enough about peta to vote there &answer's still "not really" - even before the whole back & forth with bridgerton (which on skim feels maybe townish to me at least) i think my gripe w the slot is there are things that feel like red flags at first glance but that are worth at least trying to reconcile w/ the rest of their content bc i just straight haven't read them as deeply as i'd like to

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Actual Content Forthcoming

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Annoying

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Whenever implo makes a post I'm like "wow that's a fakeable post"

Havent read anything for several pages but god so real

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On mobile but the tl;dr for me on peta is that i think a lot of what irked me abt him yday (ingame) is consistent with town repping in and trying to keep momentum going. Some of thwir stuff today has made me feel better about that.

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Cose da fare:
-reread both hydras, both of them keep doing things i like & things that make me go huh? &i need to make a more concerted effort to place them
-iso peta, not super thrilled w/ them since they subbed in

Good times, good times. anyway:

-iso peta, not super thrilled w/ them since they subbed in

Did some soulsearching here and I think my biggest beef with the slot was some of the sloppiness on entrance--stuff like 1666, 1714 and 1584 felt...not quite misreppy but like, unpleasantly shallow? the main bits were the way they spoke abt inf's progression on imp & esp. the comment about having thought aaron wasn't garnering much attention while speccing. In hindsight I think my concern w/ that was mostly me nitpicking--a lot of those earlier posts are p consistent with a world where town!peta subs in fresh off speccing & is trying to keep momentum up imo. None of it really holds up to a cui bono for scum!peta either imo, considering how yesterday ended (people had already called out AF at various points throughout thread, 1712's "may I present a third option" is weird coming from scum who doesn't really have any reason to position themselves as the person heading up that alternative). I'm also a fan of the progression on Phoebe--I think peta's interactions w the slot late in phase D1 felt solve-y, and the frustration coming through in their D2 interactions w/ Phoebe is well justified from town (considering that Bridgers is literally making things up but we'll get to that)

Cose da fare:
-reread both hydras, both of them keep doing things i like & things that make me go huh? &i need to make a more concerted effort to place them

Starting w/ Phoebe, who i think is probably the worse offender here. Earlygame i kind of put them on this shelf bc like... otoh, shitposty to a fault (not even quality shitposts, bar has never been lower) but otoh there were some sprinklings of good that made me want to keep them around. like, i don't think their SR on isis early on was all that bad, and while i've personally lightened on isis (atvl, i can't place her as a partner with anyone on the playerlist), the SK take in 1090 was inch resting--to the point where i honestly kind of wish they'd revisited it, even if it's probably just maf sussing out opposing scum.

I feel like people have remarked on the head dissonance enough that I won't harp on that too much, but going back through Phoebe's D1 in the context of our two flips is Not Great. 441 from Phoeb with the whole "separate tier" thing just straight up feels like someone trying to get out of having to place a read on their partner, and the dialoguing btwn NS and both bridgeheads D1 around why they read e/o the way they do stands a decent chance of being s/s i think.

Looking back, I also think 511 from Bridgers telegraphs Aaron flipping green &is probs TMI. Bridgers (like most of the game tbf) had a lot of professed TRs yday--afaict, Isis was main SR, ben was a concession, and they had scipio town'd before peta subbed in--but it strikes me as sketch to play dumb about it, which is largely what happened yday and by all indications is where the push on peta is coming from. I'd feel maybe better about Bridgers on Peta if not for how much of the case seems to come down to "You were wrong (but nobody else on Aaron was)". I feel like it's p easy for scum!Phoebe to scapegoat peta here while just ignoring the other people reading Aaron's slot. 2750 is less interested in actually making sense of a wagon that you two already said you had trouble with, and more with putting someone on the chopping block. Also fwiw, I don't see how Peta's read on mirrors mine on Imp's.

On to Shy--I think I mostly still like this. Atvl, I think their D1 holds up to scrutiny better than the other hydra. Interactions w/ Shirou rule out a redflip p cleanly imo, but even beyond that I think their posts lean overwhelmingly toward trying to sort folks.

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Spoiler: tldr

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slanking toward bethlehem

this was slept on

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i constantly thank god for esteban

Give us this day our daily dooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooose
of
faux-af-flic-tion

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Link. Your fucking. Posts.

-QB

As skitter isn’t here and I get to be in charge of our votes for now;

VOTE: schiavetto

-QB

I stand by 495 coming from scum significantly more often than down, and the vast swathe of excuses and fuck all just to arrive with a convenient logic for sussing the top wagon (but not actually laying a vote down) in 3148 is scummy

-QB

Hit dog will holler

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Especially not when you’re citing posts like 2750 which is literally a meme pagetop from pingüino

-QB

***2570, my bad.

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Firm on both reads though.

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Yes, 2570.

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VOTE: Schiavetto
top wagons solidarity

I am genuinely sorry for dropping a vote on you and AFKing. Should I have requested a V/LA? Probably! Vote's unlikely to move though.

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Schiavetto are you french?

Eng/Ita/Esp/Rom

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You don’t want to step to me, schiavetto

-QB

Didn't think you were into that kind of thing anyway ;o

Fr though, jokes aside I do apologize about the lack of links. I don't apologize for the post though - feel free to like, address it instead of coming at me for formatting & activity

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Having had like, considerably more to say about us than anyone else and then... still insisting that you’re gonna vote implo is not a good look tho

-QB

I said straight up @ start of phase that I was going to be looking at you, Shy & Peta. If you want a wall on why I think Shy is town, sure I can carve out some time and lay that all out, but red-to-green on Peta & null-to-red on you felt like better time investments. Unfortunate, sure, but it's where I was at!

As for the vote, that's fair. In a perfect world, I get two votes and you both go today - hanging onto imp though bc I've had more time to sit with it & the only things that've come close at all to giving me second thoughts are this from Ico and 3122 from Isis not long ago, but even that doesn't go much further than "I wonder what they see that I don't see?"
I posted my current thoughts on you. I feel strongly about it (about as strongly as I feel abt town!peta, go figure), but I'm open to seeing how that ages.

While we're here, I think Implo's been preparing to hop on me for a while now. On first skim I was honestly ready to shrug off 2849 (bc an afk slot voting you is annoying town or scum, and to have them gone for longer than projected probably doesn't feel too great either!) but in his follow-up later on, the "commit to an opinion" (nevermind the fact that i had been v clear about which slots i was solid on and which three slots i was taking time to sort, this is very much taking the accusation i made against imp D1 and just volleying it back) and "coast" comment both read as attempts to mischaracterize my slot & pull me back into LHF territory. 3129 is more of the same.

It's very difficult for me to take them in good faith atm, and nothing in NS/Shirou has turned me off of them. I don't think Imp has ever had a vested interest in actually solving my slot (because they know I'm town), and I think them jumping at the opportunity to vote me with you speaks to that.

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what the heck why did i think schiavetto replaced in.

w/e point still stands.

Bc you are not actually making an effort to solve my slot (or any slot) bc you are scum :upsidedownsmile:

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Sorry you feel that way!

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ew

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Probably lurking so he can steal reads from the rest of the pl

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bridgeburners - honestly, at this point, no one seems that likely to be partnered with them. just doesn't seem that likely to be a hit imo

what about you

I was thinking schia/bridges were reasonably partnery.

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something_smart - very likely town both by mechanics and play, has actual reads, isn't playing like a dead man walking because of his claim
penguinpower - feels real, can't point to a particular moment but when he makes content posts it looks serious and scumhunt-y
bridgeburners - honestly, at this point, no one seems that likely to be partnered with them. just doesn't seem that likely to be a hit imo
schiavetto - has faded but was all right early, still reasonably not partnered with notscience. starting to angle toawrd bridgeburners yesterday wasnt great though
not_mafia - showing flashes of actually giving a shit which is town for him
datisi - idk, still not feeling his withdrawal from the game, but reaction to me yesterday was okay, no obvious opportunism. might have been saved by infinity but maybe not if there's a jk
isis - down here mainly because i don't have a strong reason to townread her
secret hydra - don't think the shirou interactions are clearing and

both heads are kind of playing like i'd expect from them as scum, has a feeling of inauthenticness to some of their posts

elaborate?

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Last couple pages is mostly Skitters, yeah?

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Presumably, anyway?

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something_smart - very likely town both by mechanics and play, has actual reads, isn't playing like a dead man walking because of his claim
penguinpower - feels real, can't point to a particular moment but when he makes content posts it looks serious and scumhunt-y
bridgeburners - honestly, at this point, no one seems that likely to be partnered with them. just doesn't seem that likely to be a hit imo
schiavetto - has faded but was all right early, still reasonably not partnered with notscience. starting to angle toawrd bridgeburners yesterday wasnt great though
not_mafia - showing flashes of actually giving a shit which is town for him
datisi - idk, still not feeling his withdrawal from the game, but reaction to me yesterday was okay, no obvious opportunism. might have been saved by infinity but maybe not if there's a jk
isis - down here mainly because i don't have a strong reason to townread her
secret hydra - don't think the shirou interactions are clearing and

both heads are kind of playing like i'd expect from them as scum, has a feeling of inauthenticness to some of their posts

elaborate?

eh with regard to hYdra it's like, he can't really fake scumhunt yet so he spits out whatever he can to seem active but itsn't really trying to solve the game and there won't be a logic to what he's saying. for seCret, admittedly experience there is thin, we were scum together in one game but it's like, here his bursts of posting feel performative in a way, it's geared toward showy emotion and hitting a few stray comment on things every time he shows up, itjust seems more driven toward making stray attacks than analysis. not the best explanation but it's what i have, can try to go into detail later, tired and sore from work today

back to this- what do you think of Ico lighting into Shirou on rep-in?

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@schiavetto yes over the past couple of pages its been me, skitter
[...]
Your question in the last post has literally been talked about and discussed about 15 times now.

i'm fine with talking it through a 16th time *shrug*

Why has all of your posting over the past like week+ been vague questions or like 5 word observations

make an inference

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NM

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Ok but when you ask a question that'a been one of the main topics of conversation for the whole eod2 +

today, it looks like you're not really reading

...

Like peta answered the question you asked on this very page. Do you feel like that does not answer the question? Did you not see that he answered it? Like what do you think is going to be added thia time around?

@dats i dont have any town-gypyx meta but this looks like his scumgame so

Lately, not as much
Peta's a stronger TR, it came up in their earlier convo w/ you&QB, and I was more interested in it in the context of the emoting they were talking about

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3577 was @ penguin if that wasnt clear

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3577 was @ penguin if that wasnt clear

And ok, why and since when are you scumreading js?

scumreading who? you?

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Made it up, stole the read, no thought or opinion in my iso is my own

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Actually, fuck it

VOTE: Bridgeburners

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sure

VOTE: seCret hYdra

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E-1, etc. etc.

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VT

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burnt out and frustrated

burnt out and frustrated

burnt out and frustrated

burnt out and frustrated

dat, go ahead

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VOTE: Datisi

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not going anywhere

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schia, why did you vote me there?[/quote]
tr isis, tr peta, you're lcd, quicker we can wrap this the better

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yes

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VOTE: Datisi

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*why* isn't schia pushing me?

are we doing this

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we're doing this

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every single argument against me comes back to volume/activity


i told y'all from the jump that i was working with an annoying schedule. i am teaching directly via zoom from 7 to 5, five days a week. i made efforts to contribute in spite of that. i went into D2 perfectly transparent about where my head was at, and that i wanted to take the time to reorganize my thinking. i mentioned outright that my building's reopening and the bullshit surrounding that would factor into my time in-thread. instead, i got three bad faith pushes - one from scum i'd been casing since d1, another from one *half* of a hydra who was stuck in tunnelmode (and who against my better judgment, i tunneled right back lmao), and dat, who was more than happy to coast along with the garbage case given by skimplo & coax the mislim - i have zero regrets abt the BB vote but at the

very

least they had some bite to their read and made an effort to make it make sense in the context of the game. i'm not going to invest any time in threadcrawling or getting into any back-and-forth over this