Open 805 Panic Room Day 1

[PenguinPower]

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VOTE: d&D

[PenguinPower]

That’s so sad.

Hopefully this works so you can experience the joy same as everyone else.

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I’m glad that’s a thing tbh.

Ty zor.

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Hi!

What’s wrong the infinity votes?

[PenguinPower]

Lol...i just actually looked at your avi.

[PenguinPower]

Oh - i guess there was basis stated with one of the votes. Hmm

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Am I scummy?

Nah - just thought it was weird to say “don’t get” to votes made so soon, but newbie said you were scummy before voting so i guess it’s a fine statement.

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Both votes seem to have a level of intent behind them that i dont understand given what infinity has posted

@infinity i have exactly no meta on yyotta but it doesnt feel like a post scum makes

~ skitter

There’s three votes and only newbie’s says anything with a semblance of a reason.

[PenguinPower]

Penguin i only remember two: shadowslug (called infinity's post scummy) and green crayon (quoted an infinity post in the post he voted him)

Murderkitty page 1.

I'm p sure penguin's was a meme acknowledging that

~ skitter

[PenguinPower]

Penguin why did you call me newbie twice and not just my name that's pompous of you

Because you said you were new and the rest of the PL is not?

But, sure, let’s insult people. Good look to start.

[PenguinPower]

There was before the unvote

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I’ve said it twice - you’re gonna need thicker skin to play this game.

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What do you want to talk about specifically, murderkitty?

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^

[PenguinPower]

#proudpenguin

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Scummy but that’s probably influenced somewhat by nai things. I disagree with skitter assessment and the agreement post was gross.

Wouldn’t be sad if he was yeeted, but it’s early.

[PenguinPower]

I like crayons.

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Boop

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lol

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crayon really needs to get up to date on terms btw

[PenguinPower]

Ah man. Auto I liked skitter. Don’t ruin it.

[PenguinPower]

Auro*

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You should read the setup.

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I think you need to look up what active lurking actually is but keep on.

[PenguinPower]

I am reading and not posting at every instance, yes!

Weird that you would expect me to.

[PenguinPower]

I am reading and not posting at every instance, yes!

Weird that you would expect me to.

I think you are responding to safe stuff only

Keep on moving those goalposts murderkitty.

[PenguinPower]

I am reading and not posting at every instance, yes!

Weird that you would expect me to.

Man now I’m concerned about you
Where’s your pagetop stealing my dude?

I’ve done it thrice and it’s less than 24 hours in!

[PenguinPower]

Okay, so everyone close their eyes, whoever the bomb is post that you are the bomb and then delete the post

Done.

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: d&D

Which one?

I dunno. figured I’d let the mod decide.

[PenguinPower]

Misusing the term buddying.

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: d&D

Which one?

I dunno. figured I’d let the mod decide.

[PenguinPower]

Misusing the term buddying.

Disagree.

Please describe what your definition of buddying because on face value your usage here would apply to almost everyone who says they "like" or "townread" someone when that is not the definition.

[PenguinPower]

[PenguinPower]

Misusing the term buddying.

Disagree.

Please describe what your definition of buddying because on face value your usage here would apply to almost everyone who says they "like" or "townread" someone when that is not the definition.

185 is buddying (throwing fence-sitting vocal support behind my #1 suspect, with no follow-up vote), not you saying "i like crayons"

185 (hey tags are great!) is a response to a question that I was asked about my thoughts on a player and has nothing to do with you.

Again - you need to refresh your terminology. Here - I'll help!.

[PenguinPower]

Penguin do you have reads?

Not really anything strong, nope.

[PenguinPower]

cool story - it factually is not buddying but keep writing narratives that fit what you want instead of reality.

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It's almost like there hasn't been a votecount this game and maybe possible maybe I'm waiting to see where everything is currently.

Maybe.

Possibly.

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VOTE: not_mafia

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His vote switch from me to Penguin, after I expressed problems with Penguin (from Murder's prompting), I think is more suggestive of town than scum.

idk - seems like buddying to me

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: not_mafia

Reason?

he's my mason buddy

[PenguinPower]

everyone...everyone...can we pls stop buddying each other. there is way too much of this going on.

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I’m not!

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to try to get PP to do stuff but then he just didn't lol. So I guess this vote is useless.

I’m not sure why you thought your vote on me would get me to change how i play...you’re being weird murderkitty, and it’s unsettling.

[PenguinPower]

oh no i think you're a scum penguin this is very sad

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Fun trajectory to remember for later.

[PenguinPower]

Welcome to D1 - ‘tis interesting given skitteR’s most recent game with me. One would think she has a memory.

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Sonofa

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What a weird reason from someone who claims to be able to read me.

[PenguinPower]

And what’s my primary focus on D1 there skitteR?

[PenguinPower]

And what’s my primary focus on D1 there skitteR?

idk what ur referring to
~ skitter

*sigh*

wagons are good

We’ve had one vc this entire game. There is nothing building for analysis at this point because it’s not being captured.

[PenguinPower]

penguin why no vote?

you got your one (1) vc per 19 pages. should be sufficient.

You’re ridiculous if you think 1 vc per 19 pages is sufficient.

[PenguinPower]

Lol - I’m also voting so that kinda reinforces my point.

[PenguinPower]

You’re ridiculous if you think 1 vc per 19 pages is sufficient.

it was a joke

Ah - interjected an inopportune time. On retrospect, I appreciate it.

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i sent untrod tripod a pm r.e. redacted to see what's legal and not

already asked tbone about it, I’m under the impression we must redact.

- Daenerys

This is always a helpful post

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: penguin

~ skitter

<3

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It’s fine. I’m 100% positive you will eventually come around to town!penguin.

[PenguinPower]

Well...i guess i should say ~97%.

nothing is 100%.

[PenguinPower]

Yes, skitter.

You should just vote me then instead of just shading and not doing anything about it.

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VOTE: gc

[PenguinPower]

Well - and i get that maybe possibly maybe I’m guilty of this too - but he could be more clear. The fact remains he’s been shading me the entire game without voting me.

[PenguinPower]

Proud of you mod

[PenguinPower]

GAHAHA IT’S HAPPENING!!!!

VOTE: murderkitty

[PenguinPower]

Hi I'm here, I have been skimming but haven't had the energy to post, sorry. I wanted to catchup earlier but other things got in the way. I'll do it now.

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Oh.my.god.

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He has been voting a scum read though, it's not like he's doing nothing?

This misses the point entirely....

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I feel like I was clear on that.

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Yeah - I’m fine yeeting this.

One day we’ll roll the same alignment again, murderkitty.

[PenguinPower]

Oh - no. I don’t do that.

[PenguinPower]

Unless you want some rainbow reads - but i don’t think you deserve that right now tbh

[PenguinPower]

Unless you want some rainbow reads - but i don’t think you deserve that right now tbh

Ok...fine. I will give you rainbow reads in the morning when I’m at a computer so i can format them.

[PenguinPower]

Hmmm
Hmmmmmmm
Hmmmmmmmmm

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Uh....

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I TOLD YOU YOU WOULD!

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Uh - yeah. It’s a weird wagon for you to hop on considering your read on shadowslug (and the strength of), wagon size, your read and comments on me....etc.

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Last vc it was a leading wagon. Idk now.

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comments on me

you need to get over yourself

you need to stop shading me unless you want to push me.

[PenguinPower]

I didn’t see anything posted to the contrary. Am I supposed to read minds now?

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Mine?

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Gotcha. I’m supposed to read minds. Thx.

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@

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, do you play like this (filler posts + being passive) all the time? Or it's your general 'Day 1' playstyle?

Definitely a D1 thing.

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@penguin are you currently townreading dumb&dumber? when/why did you start townreading skitter? is the read based on something other than how skitter is reading you?

Yes, but with an appropriate dose of skepticism because it's skitteR. I can't point to where it started exactly, but I started to feel good about it around murderkitty wagon time.

[PenguinPower]

the same thing as any d1 reasoning - gut/tone

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The....same. I'm reading them as if they're all skitteR posts so you can assign my feelings on skitteR to Auro if you want.

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dumb & dumber read is basically gut at this point

meh.

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mmm...bad vote there skitteR

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That would be a much better vote, yes.

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ty skitteR

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sounds good

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Because murdercat is a much better wagon and an nm wagon is the epitome of lazy voting.

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I’m disappointed tbh gamma

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Y'all are not disappointed in me? Did you already have low expectations? Lol

I didn’t have a tr on you prior to so....no.

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Early play gave town gutpings base on prior exp - just in general commentary and posting.

Last two posts are concerning though.

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(i) Calling someone pompous is an insult...
(ii)

VOTE: not_mafia

Reason?

he's my mason buddy

(iii) I think he's scum? already previously said he's being weird based on my experience with town!kitty

[PenguinPower]

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It was a joke vote?

Very conflicted. I think his posting isolated is very scummy but I also can buy his excuse that he was burned out by the BooneyToonz game and I did like his post where he cased Penguin. Would yeet in lack of other better wagons.

Here’s the thing: you ALSO saw what happened in Among Us. Tell me Murder’s play/reception differs from that game at all.

Isn't among us is a chat-based game and very different from the forum game?

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=85156

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1. presupposes murderkitty town
   
2. correlates to an unrelated game with
   1. a different playerlist
      
   2. a different design
      
   3. a different size
      
   4. different wagons and voting structure
3. nm isn't sircakez

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like using a wagon from a different completed game as justification to vote a player in a different game is...

bad

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I don’t think murdercat’s play is substantially different from that game/any of his other town games, and the fact he’s getting early pressure to this degree tells me he’s town
In booneytoonz XV I recall there was a D1 wagon on him but it was rather short-lived
Meanwhile like, every other town game I’ve seen from him he’s been rather suspected. So imo the trend is “if murdercat gets sussed a lot early he is town”

I'm glad you have a good sample of scum games to compare that agai...oh wait

I thought my scum game was good, but in my 1 scum game since my return I got steamrolled pretty quickly because I tried to save a partner I shouldn't have.

but in my 1 scum game since my return I got steamrolled pretty quickly because I tried to save a partner I shouldn't have.

but in my 1 scum game since my return I got steamrolled pretty quickly because I tried to save a partner

but in my 1 scum game since my return I got steamrolled pretty quickly

but in my 1 scum game since my return

my 1 scum game

1 scum game

1

[PenguinPower]

i'm tunneled atm but i'm not opposed if it becomes the preferred wagon

[PenguinPower]

BTXV just finished
So saying Murdercat still has 1 scumgame is a critical logic failure bordering on misrepresentation

Oh sorry - I forgot that I follow every game and player on site and know all alignments of every player at every moment.

Using someone's own words is apparently misrepresentation now...amazing.

[PenguinPower]

honestly engage with me here

THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I'M DOING

You stated your reason for murderkitty town and I stated why it was a bad reason. Instead of continuing that discussion you are throwing your hands up in a hissy fit.

[PenguinPower]

btw - 2 games is not a good sample size any more than 1 game is so my point still stands.

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I’ve tried to respond but I’m not getting any feeling that YOU actually care for what I’m saying.

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And not to mention the fact you’re using a blatantly outdated point

BTXV just finished

blatantly outdated point

just finished

[PenguinPower]

You do realize that I've already pointed out it changing the sample size from 1 scum game to 2 scum games doesn't change my point at all (which is that your method for reading murderkitty is horribly bad) and I'm just posting that to show how ridiculously pedantic you are...right?

I mean - by how I am acting you should have been able to infer that.

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And honestly the biggest issue I fucking have is that MURDERCAT GETS TOWNIER AS THE GAME PROGRESSES AS TOWN. ELIMINATING HIM EARLY IS LEGITIMATELY SHIT PLAY.

And my issue is you can't say that he doesn't as scum so it's nai. Stop relying solely on meta for which you don't have an established comparison.

it's bad.

[PenguinPower]

YOU HAVE ONE EXAMPLE!

ONE!

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Agree that gamma's arguments aren't very strong but he does seem to believe them

if only believing hard enough made something correct

[PenguinPower]

is leaving the thread and "hoping the wagon dissipates" something scum actually do ever?

Yes.

[PenguinPower]

PEdit: I don't see it happen often, and I don't see why murder would think that would happen in this gamestate?

seems a little dismissive when you received two answers of the affirmative.

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I actually don't remember a time when scum has lurked out a wagon hoping it dissipates, but maybe there's been a time where it happened and I though the scum was just demotivated or something

It just seems like a very dumb thing to do and I don't think that's really how wagons work, maybe in larges idk

I mean - it depends on the player, but I have seen it (work) enough that it's not a good reason to use it for ++town points.

[PenguinPower]

that’s literally my reaction as scum to most pressure.

- Daenerys

lilith

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Yeah I'm not arguing that murder is town for it

but is leaving the thread and "hoping the wagon dissipates" something scum actually do ever? Idk

PEdit: I don't see it happen often, and I don't see why murder would think that would happen in this gamestate?

Sorry - this seemed to be an argument for notscum!kitty which would be town!kitty

[PenguinPower]

MURDERKITTY is still the correct lim.

I thought you weren’t feeling it skitteR

[PenguinPower]

idk how I'm supposed to believe that these posts come from town. "where is cakez?" come on.

- Daenerys

It’s a fair question. I don’t remember cakez’ last post.

[PenguinPower]

~*~thus requiring mind reading, am I right penguin?~*~

our minds are inexplicably linked now

[PenguinPower]

Fair point - while it may be stuff to look back on later it has become somewhat excessive if you aren’t going to push it.

May I recommend murderkitty?

[PenguinPower]

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SkitteR...

Top town reads pls - just like your top 3-4 would be good.

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Ty

[PenguinPower]

Everyone doubts D&D&D&D interactions of being TvS, but no one suspects it could be SvS

-Dumbass

Don’t think that’s in

lilith’s

wheelhouse but this isn’t entirely true.

[PenguinPower]

Everyone doubts D&D&D&D interactions of being TvS, but no one suspects it could be SvS

-Dumbass

you're the wooooooooooorst

Nah, that’s a duck.

[PenguinPower]

if only you had an avatar that's a penguin in a sherlock holmes outfit.

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: murdercat
I'd prefer to let him town up if he's town but he's not really trying atp, plus I have unresolved concerns of my own from early on.

I have unresolved concerns of my own from early on.

You very much did not express concerns early on - it was quite the opposite.

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: MURDERKITTY

~ skitter

GAHAHA IT’S HAPPENING!!!!

VOTE: murderkitty

wut

Also can someone come up with a good reason for MCat being scum or is this just because he’s not a TR yet
I feel like most games MCat gets pressed early as town

I’m sorry but I can’t have fun in mafia games as town, Cakez? Is that what you’re saying?
I actually feel like I vibed pretty hard in a game murder and infinity were both in

That's obviously not what I was getting at and I'm not sure why you're taking it that way

-Dragons

I felt like it was the start of a bad-faith push

Because murdercat is a much better wagon and an nm wagon is the epitome of lazy voting.

what about murdercat
you guys are probably way off base on him, he very often gets wagoned early like this as town rather than as scum
how can I not see the votes on murdercat as just a little bit lazy

Very conflicted. I think his posting isolated is very scummy but I also can buy his excuse that he was burned out by the BooneyToonz game and I did like his post where he cased Penguin. Would yeet in lack of other better wagons.

Here’s the thing: you ALSO saw what happened in Among Us. Tell me Murder’s play/reception differs from that game at all.

If you believe me about murdercat being a miselim why do you think I’m scum?

MURDERCAT [6, E-3] outworldER, Akarin, xRECKONERx, alisae, sircakez, battle mage (thegoldenparadox)
The only scum on this in that game, SirCakez, voted around the middle of what was need to lim
NM is in the same place if murdercat is a miselim this game
So like, how is my NM vote bad given that?

I don’t think murdercat’s play is substantially different from that game/any of his other town games, and the fact he’s getting early pressure to this degree tells me he’s town
In booneytoonz XV I recall there was a D1 wagon on him but it was rather short-lived
Meanwhile like, every other town game I’ve seen from him he’s been rather suspected. So imo the trend is “if murdercat gets sussed a lot early he is town”

And honestly the biggest issue I fucking have is that MURDERCAT GETS TOWNIER AS THE GAME PROGRESSES AS TOWN. ELIMINATING HIM EARLY IS LEGITIMATELY SHIT PLAY.

@infinity
catboi’s post sums up most of it I think, have you read and responded to this?

Actually just looked at your ISO and you don’t seem to have mentioned this post at all, which is interesting because this is probably the biggest scumcase on murder so far, and you seemingly hard townread this slot before catboi replaced in. Is there a reason you haven’t responded to catboi on murder or engaged with catboi at all?

- Daenerys

I read the post, it didn't really do anything for me. Most of it is like, murder is making lazy pushes and reasoning because he's kinda being lazy this game. If you're interested I can respond to it in more depth

I don’t really need a response to the points in particular.

I find the argument “murder could be lazy as town” to just be not very appealing. Like, anyone can be lazy as town. They can also just be scum. Yall are saying murder is lazy!town here. Gamma says he’s lazy!town. NM is lazy as both alignments. Everyone else is putting in effort. who do we elim then if everyone suspicious just says they’re being lazy town? there needs to be a line drawn somewhere. as a side note, I also intensely dislike the concept of sandbagging on principle. like, just play the game you signed up for. if you plan to not play the game, then don’t come crying when you get pressured for it.

you say let’s wagon NM but that is the easiest elimination of all time. I’m not concerned about deepwolf!NM. I am concerned about other players skating by because “oh they’re just lazy town.” like if NM is where the wagon ends up, fine, but I think that’s an absolute last resort. there are three scum, so I’m going to keep trying to figure out who the team is. both you and gamma do not seem to care that there would be two other scum.

- Daenerys

yes, there are three scum
atm I don't think murdercat is any of them
NM could be, so could others but I haven't probed for them yet
I don't like the way you try to act like because there's three scum it invalidates our concerns about the murdercat lim and those pushing it

finished Murdercat games informing my perspective here

Booneytoonz XV - mafia (traitor), survived
Among Us - town, survived
Micro 977 - town, survived
Micro 983 - town, survived
Mini Normal 2170 - town, limmed D1
Open 796 (haunted village) - town, survived

If you look at how murdercat got through all of those games you'll see a very consistent trend of town!murdercat getting pushed early and/or often

If you look at how murdercat got through all of those games you'll see a very consistent trend of town!murdercat getting pushed early and/or often

but see:

And my issue is you can't say that he doesn't as scum so it's nai. Stop relying solely on meta for which you don't have an established comparison.

I'm saying your perspective on murdercat is way smaller than mine or infinity's, and as such you should listen to what I'm saying, which is to give him time since he becomes stronger as town further along in the game, and I think based on how things have developed he is town
I'm not just metaing murdercat, I'm metaing the scenario

(i) Can you explain more about 347, 372 and 472? I don't understand.

(ii) Why did you think Dumb and Dumber's was okay (refer: 653)?

(iii) What is your current read about Infinity 324 (refer: 824)?

(iv) Reason (refer: 984)?

347 I was asking a small question to feel infinity out and I felt he responded in a way that made more waves, which felt towny
372 I felt their interaction was a bit of distancing (which now that I remember that I'm probably gonna have to retrace my steps and see how I really feel in that front)
472 I had gut pings from GC so I was like "this

might

be a good expression what I'm feeling"

dumbo's townblock seemed okay because shadowslug seemed genuine, so did infinity, and I was okay letting you be included

I still read infinity as town, though I had some hazy doubts earlier

I voted NM because on some level I was conscious of scum liking being on murdercat around that point in the wagon and I also wanted to vote with infinity

as for the murdercat question, I presume he could imitate those behaviors but it would probably be hard for him
I especially think it would be hard for him to act towny in later days

gamma, i was going through your (gamma's) posts earlier because, gamma, you really went hard on, gamma, defending murderkitty and, gamma, stating that we need to, you know gamma, give murderkitty a few days, gamma, to act more towny. Gamma, it seems that, gamma, you changed this quite abrubtly, gamma, as the day approaches, gamma, a close and your, gamma's, wagon is on par with murderkitty's.

but, gamma, i did see that you, gamma, started to shift your, gamma, opinion earlier back than i originally though. And, gamma, you did say that the kitty of murder felt flat, gamma, prior to your townread tirade so, gamma, i guess i'll give you, gamma, the benefit of the doubt and say that your, gamma's, progression there is actually ok.

Good job, gamma.

[PenguinPower]

AHHHH THE MULTIQUOTE DIDN'T RESET

@mod: pls spoiler that because I'm not allowed to

[PenguinPower]

Spoiler:

VOTE: MURDERKITTY

~ skitter

GAHAHA IT’S HAPPENING!!!!

VOTE: murderkitty

wut

Also can someone come up with a good reason for MCat being scum or is this just because he’s not a TR yet
I feel like most games MCat gets pressed early as town

I’m sorry but I can’t have fun in mafia games as town, Cakez? Is that what you’re saying?
I actually feel like I vibed pretty hard in a game murder and infinity were both in

That's obviously not what I was getting at and I'm not sure why you're taking it that way

-Dragons

I felt like it was the start of a bad-faith push

Because murdercat is a much better wagon and an nm wagon is the epitome of lazy voting.

what about murdercat
you guys are probably way off base on him, he very often gets wagoned early like this as town rather than as scum
how can I not see the votes on murdercat as just a little bit lazy

Very conflicted. I think his posting isolated is very scummy but I also can buy his excuse that he was burned out by the BooneyToonz game and I did like his post where he cased Penguin. Would yeet in lack of other better wagons.

Here’s the thing: you ALSO saw what happened in Among Us. Tell me Murder’s play/reception differs from that game at all.

If you believe me about murdercat being a miselim why do you think I’m scum?

MURDERCAT [6, E-3] outworldER, Akarin, xRECKONERx, alisae, sircakez, battle mage (thegoldenparadox)
The only scum on this in that game, SirCakez, voted around the middle of what was need to lim
NM is in the same place if murdercat is a miselim this game
So like, how is my NM vote bad given that?

I don’t think murdercat’s play is substantially different from that game/any of his other town games, and the fact he’s getting early pressure to this degree tells me he’s town
In booneytoonz XV I recall there was a D1 wagon on him but it was rather short-lived
Meanwhile like, every other town game I’ve seen from him he’s been rather suspected. So imo the trend is “if murdercat gets sussed a lot early he is town”

And honestly the biggest issue I fucking have is that MURDERCAT GETS TOWNIER AS THE GAME PROGRESSES AS TOWN. ELIMINATING HIM EARLY IS LEGITIMATELY SHIT PLAY.

@infinity
catboi’s post sums up most of it I think, have you read and responded to this?

Actually just looked at your ISO and you don’t seem to have mentioned this post at all, which is interesting because this is probably the biggest scumcase on murder so far, and you seemingly hard townread this slot before catboi replaced in. Is there a reason you haven’t responded to catboi on murder or engaged with catboi at all?

- Daenerys

I read the post, it didn't really do anything for me. Most of it is like, murder is making lazy pushes and reasoning because he's kinda being lazy this game. If you're interested I can respond to it in more depth

I don’t really need a response to the points in particular.

I find the argument “murder could be lazy as town” to just be not very appealing. Like, anyone can be lazy as town. They can also just be scum. Yall are saying murder is lazy!town here. Gamma says he’s lazy!town. NM is lazy as both alignments. Everyone else is putting in effort. who do we elim then if everyone suspicious just says they’re being lazy town? there needs to be a line drawn somewhere. as a side note, I also intensely dislike the concept of sandbagging on principle. like, just play the game you signed up for. if you plan to not play the game, then don’t come crying when you get pressured for it.

you say let’s wagon NM but that is the easiest elimination of all time. I’m not concerned about deepwolf!NM. I am concerned about other players skating by because “oh they’re just lazy town.” like if NM is where the wagon ends up, fine, but I think that’s an absolute last resort. there are three scum, so I’m going to keep trying to figure out who the team is. both you and gamma do not seem to care that there would be two other scum.

- Daenerys

yes, there are three scum
atm I don't think murdercat is any of them
NM could be, so could others but I haven't probed for them yet
I don't like the way you try to act like because there's three scum it invalidates our concerns about the murdercat lim and those pushing it

finished Murdercat games informing my perspective here

Booneytoonz XV - mafia (traitor), survived
Among Us - town, survived
Micro 977 - town, survived
Micro 983 - town, survived
Mini Normal 2170 - town, limmed D1
Open 796 (haunted village) - town, survived

If you look at how murdercat got through all of those games you'll see a very consistent trend of town!murdercat getting pushed early and/or often

If you look at how murdercat got through all of those games you'll see a very consistent trend of town!murdercat getting pushed early and/or often

but see:

And my issue is you can't say that he doesn't as scum so it's nai. Stop relying solely on meta for which you don't have an established comparison.

I'm saying your perspective on murdercat is way smaller than mine or infinity's, and as such you should listen to what I'm saying, which is to give him time since he becomes stronger as town further along in the game, and I think based on how things have developed he is town
I'm not just metaing murdercat, I'm metaing the scenario

(i) Can you explain more about 347, 372 and 472? I don't understand.

(ii) Why did you think Dumb and Dumber's was okay (refer: 653)?

(iii) What is your current read about Infinity 324 (refer: 824)?

(iv) Reason (refer: 984)?

347 I was asking a small question to feel infinity out and I felt he responded in a way that made more waves, which felt towny
372 I felt their interaction was a bit of distancing (which now that I remember that I'm probably gonna have to retrace my steps and see how I really feel in that front)
472 I had gut pings from GC so I was like "this

might

be a good expression what I'm feeling"

dumbo's townblock seemed okay because shadowslug seemed genuine, so did infinity, and I was okay letting you be included

I still read infinity as town, though I had some hazy doubts earlier

I voted NM because on some level I was conscious of scum liking being on murdercat around that point in the wagon and I also wanted to vote with infinity

as for the murdercat question, I presume he could imitate those behaviors but it would probably be hard for him
I especially think it would be hard for him to act towny in later days

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mod- I added a spoiler tag per player request

[PenguinPower]

wtf?

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gg all

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one day we will roll the same alignment murderkitty