Open 802: Jungle Oligarchy [Game Over]

[Datisi]

[Datisi]

*inhale*
hi murdercat! hi titus! hi username! hi bulge! hi plus! hi deas! hi clidd! hi baltar! hi other people i don't know!

(actually that's a lie, i did play with taly once as well! hi taly!)

catchup at some point when i wake up / have coffee / finish class. if there's anything important i Need to Look At Sooner, someone lemme know.

[Datisi]

What is your favourite way to drink coffee?

instant coffee + boiling water. quick, simple, easy. good reminder, i need another one.

[Datisi]

hmm... clidd acknowledged my existence, but didn't say his usual ~hemorrhagic pleasure~ line. are you not happy to see me, clidd? are you scum?

also got coffee gonna start reading now k cool

pedit: WHAT THE FUCK LMAO

NEVERMIND

[Datisi]

page one:

Also if someone could explain how to actually approach this setup that would be great. I'm guessing wolves first and try to go into good nightless numbers is ideal because there won't be cross kills? But I'm not sure how we actually manage to control that

this pings me as a ~scum attempting to fake dumbslip~.

taly's page one lust for a wagon on himself strikes me as gut-townie for some reason.

@taly

, do you usually show such bravado early in the game?

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page two:

if klick is scum, taly is probably his buddy. i imagine scum!klick would drop the lolhammer in 37 if taly weren't with him in the scum pt. or klick is town. either one.

i'm digging klick's posts on page 2.

titus's 46 seems...

fine

? i saw baltar's last page assessment of my and titus's slot, and i feel weirdly nervous even commenting about her because i have a feeling i'm gonna get scumread for it one way or the other but whatever.

klyne is scumpinging me for 47 and 49. 47 feels like fake scum-posting of "look how casual and uninterested i am in the game that's townie right??", while 49 almost feels like scum slightly panicking because a townie is getting correctly townread. i'm assuming klyne/taly not s/s. (note when i say s/s, i'm thinking of same faction / same faction.)

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page three:

klyne's first two posts on page three continue to trend them downwards for me.

55 reminds me that there's probably more people who weren't voting taly and have posted at the time he was E-1. will relook at that if it becomes relevant later.

oh no i like titus in 57/58 oh god oh fuck

i don't like plus's 68. pretty sure titus later admitted she knew it wasn't E-1? feels like busyowrk.

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page four:

vague +townpoints to taly for the ~mindmeld~ of voting plus in 77. my eyes are glazing over the big meta post and i will most likely end up forgetting it within the next 3 seconds.

+town on username and marashu. sucks that i'm in his slot, i guess.

battle mage strikes me as scummy. in the games i've seen him so far, he usually had... more of a presence? more conviction? passion? here he feels like little more than wallpaper.

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i'm gonna take a small break now, reading a lot of text at once is just gonna make it blur together in my mind.

@clidd, sorry to hear that. here's my scrambled takes so far. i imagine i'll be doing a summary once i'm done reading.

[Datisi]

page five:

103 by klyne on titus is a point that speaks to me for some reason. i'll keep this post in mind.

battle mage continues to be... unimpressive.

clidd's catchup feels lazy for him, but also +towny lazy.

@clidd

, any elaboration on why murdercat is obvtown? (feel free to ignore this is there's explanation later.)

battle mage feels... trolly? like he doesn't actually care about this game? anyone with more meta on him than me free to chime in, i don't think i've ever seen him like this.

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page six:

@taly:

what was the thought process behind asking oram his thoughts behind wagons specifically (136)? for some reason it pings me as an odd question. not scummy, but something i feel there's a bigger thought process behind it and i'd like to peek into it.

dislike klyne's 137. maybe it's omgus. strikes me as over-performative, ironically.

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page seven:

seeing talk about murdercat i realize i don't remember anything about his slot other than ~weird entrance~. i hate playing catchup.

jackson's posts on this page ping me for some reason but i have no explanation why.

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page eight:

i'm having a hard time reading klyne's posts attacking my slot. it's just boring.

i feel like i'm resonating very well with murdercat's 199.

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page nine:

titus's play kinda strikes me in a "scum would play better here" way.

titus/murdercat conversation strikes me as ~weird~.

okay my eyes are glazing over i'll be back at some point.

[Datisi]

page ten:

oram's 228 is pinging me as both towny and scummy at the same time and i don't know how to feel about it. talk about ??? reads.

still digging klick's posts.

i'm +town on murdercar for 240 for the absolute garbage projecting reason of "scum!me often doesn't think to call himself town out of the blue".

disliking plus's posts on this page. i don't know what it is about them. gives off a vibe that's attempting a little too hard to appear laid-back, while doing a little too little.

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page eleven:

the talk about ~staticness~ of the gamestate made me realize i have no idea what's the time span between posts. another reason why i don't usually replace into games and catch up. this playerlist (and mod) were fire tho.

i'm finding myself nodding along to 224. clidd can be town or something idk i'll think about him later.

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page twelve:

i'm starting to wonder if there's a point to me doing this catchup and if anyone will even read it.

284 i feel is gut-towny for oram for ??? reason don't ask me why becuase i don't know

i've been town and played with titus twice, once with scum!her and once with town!her. i just had a flash telling me this is more like that scumgame. we'll see where it goes.

the bulge is the new jackson ok got it.

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page thirteen:

this catchup is proving as a good exercise to see if i still remember how to spell english numbers up to 20.

i wish battle mage did like, *something*.

@deas

, in 321, 227 is a post from taly, not titus. i'm digging 323 i guess. except for the plus unvote? ehh.

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page fourteen:

murdercat is? town? for 347?

ok brain is melting again i'll be back later

pedit: taly i see you Made a Post i will Get To It Soon(tm)

[Datisi]

ok i HAD LUNCH i have ANOTHER CUP OF COFFEE let's fucking DO THIS SHIT

if klick is scum, taly is probably his buddy. i imagine scum!klick would drop the lolhammer in 37 if taly weren't with him in the scum pt. or klick is town. either one.

Bit confused, is

Klick

a scum or a townread for not yeeting my ass?

neither. it's just a mental note for later, i.e. "if taly flips scum, klick is +scum, if klick flips town, taly is +town."

titus's 46 seems...

fine

? i saw baltar's last page assessment of my and titus's slot, and i feel weirdly nervous even commenting about her because i have a feeling i'm gonna get scumread for it one way or the other but whatever.

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oh no i like titus in 57/58 oh god oh fuck

Why the concern with being scumread?

i'm always concerned about being scumread. my no1 mission in any game, regardless of my role (save rolling a confirmable town PR, and sometimes even then) is to project town as much as possible. i do not like getting executed. this is especially a difficult position for me because my main way of townspewing is in-the-moment posting, gutreads, etc., which i'm not really able to do properly when reading back and writing catchup.

You keep alluding to a net-neutral read on

Murder

but you mention him often, do you have a concrete read?

i do not. i play on gut, which works best in an active game and real time posting. reading pages and pages of interactions in the past while not being able to interact with anyone doesn't do much for me. (which is why i usually do not replace into games.) i'm assuming i'll have *some* sorta read on murdercat by the time i'm done catching up (i think my last memory of him is north of the null line), however nothing i'm in any way confident in before i get to interact personally.

[Datisi]

neither. it's just a mental note for later, i.e. "if taly flips scum, klick is +scum, if klick flips town, taly is +town."

wait, i got these two the wrong way, oof

- if klick flips scum, taly is +scum (because why else would he not have hammered)
- if taly flips town, klick is +town (because why else would he not have gotten hammered)

(this is obviously standing on my assumption that scum!klick does indeed drop a lolhammer on town/other-scum there and i don't know why i have a feeling that he's that kinda scum player but i do so lol)

my high school logic teacher wouldn't be happy right now...

[Datisi]

Sorry you drew scum though.

[Datisi]

excellent pagetop 10/10

[Datisi]

Also not acknowledging I'm here, but striking up friendly banter with Datisi?

because i'm obviously the more fun person to strike friendly banter with, duh

[Datisi]

...why do i feel like i've never seen you use emojis? 505 looks weird. are you feeling okay?

[Datisi]

page fifteen:

@bulge

, why did you vote oram in 361 and say you're better off there when that player just got announced to be getting replaced?

still nodding along to clidd's 367-369.

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page sixteen:

i'm finding username's sass in 379 entertaining but i should not confuse that with a townread.

catching up. I'm around.

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page seventeen:

klyne's posts on this page made me laugh

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page eighteen:

oh god i didn't comment on any content for the last two pages someone is gonna think that i'm scum

dislike 440 but i like baltar so i won't go full omgus mode (for now)

The Marashu town read is definitely a big factor. Maybe this changes in the coming pages.

i'm also townreading marashu! am i town now?

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page nineteen:

I just realized Marashu repped out as well uh

we could just yeet the fuck out of him and then we don't have to wait. Always an option.

too late!

huh, i just realized titus hasn't posted for two and a half days. was wondering where she went.

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page twenty:

oh look it me!

@clidd

, i'd like to hear updated impressions on my slot once you're back

[Datisi]

ok shotgun reads off of memory would be

some sorta north of null: {murder, taly, deas, clidd, klick}
some sorta south of null: {bulge, plus, battle mage}

everyone else is ?????????????? some weird shade of null that i won't think too much about right now

ok i'm gonna go for a walcc before the sun sets so
if anyone has any ~burning questions~ for me leave them below and i shall answer within the next 3-5 business days

[Datisi]

i'm back from my walcc i didn't get murdered i bet y'all are very happy about that

Reasoning on DeasVail townread?

i don't remember
however i'm gracious enough to reskim his iso and i think it was ~the mindmeld~ of voing plus in 117, and i remember vague positive feelings about 323

i'll get back to you on that once i start talking with deas if you want

huh, i just realized titus hasn't posted for two and a half days. was wondering where she went.

I think she was VLA, but is supposed to be back today

right. i saw that she said v/la until sunday, but somewhere is my sleep-deprived brain i thought today wad tuesday. don't mind me.

i was expecting you to go "hurr durr scum panic distancing!!" at this post and i'm kinda surprised you didn't and i'm slightly slightly inclined to townread that.

Also, tell me more about Battle Mage scum? Is this a meta read?

kinda. i've played three games with battle mage, in all three it was scum!me vs town!him, and in all three he was a strong presence, and *a fucking headache*. (gameplay-wise, not personality-wise.) compared to that, his game here seems... not even in the same universe?

but, while i've never personally seen scum!bm, i've heard decent things about his scumgame, so in a way i'm just puzzled about his play here? like, i definitely don't townread it, but? i dunno???

[Datisi]

how dare you plus, the other replacement *checks notes* vt butler also has a name!!

anyway give me a reason you're not scum in this game and shouldn't be yeeted into the fucking sun

[Datisi]

can *one person* please say my name correctly here please guys it's 6 letters it's not that difficult i promise

pedit: thANK YOU

[Datisi]

VOTE: plusjoyed

[Datisi]

klyne do you actually think i'm scum or not

because the "hurr durr i'mma leave him alone so he spews" kinda makes me think you want to keep your scumread on my slot but don't want to directly attack me

[Datisi]

baltar what is your opinion on my slot in this very moment in time we call the present

[Datisi]

why am i so fucking easy to pocket god fuckin--

anyway

VP Baltar has done nothing to salvage my opinion of that slot, though, so i'd rather keep that alternative alive. i'm comparing his catchup to Datisi's and the difference is night and day. one of them is completely unfocused and makes no definitive conclusions, one of them is clearly driving towards a specific agenda from the very beginning. like, did Baltar have any content at all that didn't revolve entirely around Titus?

does this have implications on what's your read on my slot i'm sorry i'm tired

[Datisi]

i can help out. VOTE: klyne

titus, what's your thoughts on plusjoyed?

[Datisi]

page four:

+town on username and marashu. sucks that i'm in his slot, i guess.

explain the username read, at this point all he had was the ding ding post. and what do you mean by that last part?

103 by klyne on titus is a point that speaks to me for some reason. i'll keep this post in mind.

this is interesting because this post stood out to both of us despite having opposite reads on titus/klyne. does it change how you read 46?

@bulge, why did you vote oram in 361 and say you're better off there when that player just got announced to be getting replaced?

if we're gonna have fresh blood tied to a stake overtop 3 votes, may as well throw another on the pile, no?

(1) it was a ~mindmeld~ sorta read. at that point i was townreading klick and scumreading klyne. and it was meant as a cheeky "damn, marashu is so obviously town here, sucks that i already know his aligment!"
(2) surprisingly, no.
(3) zzz, my question was meant in a more mafia-theory sense of "that vote isn't being used to sort anybody so why make it", but yeah okay fine.

VOTE: plusjoyed

was it just the vc that prompted this vote or was it something else?

it was both plusjoyed's bad posting the page earlier + my earlier scumread of him + the vc whch showed i was voting a slot i was townreading.

[Datisi]

for some reason i feel like clidd's take on titus seems... somewhat forced? unnatural? i feel like i remember him townreading her, though reading 20 pages at once might make it blur together. @clidd, could you tl;dr your progression on titus this game when you can?

[Datisi]

Anyhow, I'd be very excited to see dueling Titus and

PlusJoyed

wagons today.

was this a typo or would you vote plus?

[Datisi]

so you're saying i will have to open your iso and actually read the context behind 70-or-however-many ctrl+f "titus" appearances. ok.

[Datisi]

the first thought in my poor tired head is "i don't know how... but that response be scum tho"

pedit: goddammit clidd, the above ^^ is @ baltar

@clidd, i'm trying to read anything. like if you put forward a case of your progression. maybe it would make me think titus is scum. maybe it would make me think you are scum. who knows. the universe is full of surprises and every day in a new opportunity.

i think titus is like... maybe? town?? maybe not??? who the fuck knows. i don't feel such a strong desire to vote her. i need *things* to *happen* that i can see real-time before i can say i actually have any sorta read on anything. so i'm idling in the meantime trying to figure out what to do.

ppedit: aaaaaaaaaaaa
to make it Extra clear the first line of this post is aimed at 604

i'm tired

pppedit: I DON'T KNOW
LET ME LOOK AT IT
IN THE MEANTIME I'M POSTING THIS BEFORE I GET PEDITED AGAIN

[Datisi]

you're making fun of me right now right

pedit: REEEEEEEEEEEEE
@baltar

ppedit: what

[Datisi]

hold on

[Datisi]

Anyhow, I'd be very excited to see dueling Titus and

PlusJoyed

wagons today.

was this a typo or would you vote plus?

I'm not opposed to yeeting Plus. I think Titus is more actively scummy, but Plus is clearly playing from the sidelines

the first thought in my poor tired head is "i don't know how... but that response be scum tho"

[Datisi]

Datisi, what do you think of Titus basically saying that everyone on her wagon must be scum?

do you mean 214? that's... not what she said. as for what i think about it... ??? i don't know. the votes on her at the time were meh. but like i'm town on like 3 of those players on that wagon or something so i am genuinely getting nothing from it.

though i feel like i should mention that this felt like a very loaded question and would like to know if you agree with me about that

[Datisi]

So you're saying Plus is scummy or I'm scummy for being willing to yeet them?

That's what I'm not understanding

i was saying i felt that your 604 is scummy for reasons unknown to my conscious mind. while also trying to make a joke calling back to your "you'll call ems cum at some point!" or whatever it was.

[Datisi]

FUCKING HELL I CAUGHT THAT TYPO THE MILISECOND AFTER I CLICKED SUBMIT

[Datisi]

@clidd, if you're feeling like making a short summary, that'd be great yeah. no promises on sheeping you though.

[Datisi]

am i overly playing semantics? i might be. why did i join a 13p with 5 scum and then roll town. what was i thinking.

a purely theoretical question, would you be willing to help with the yeet of the username?

[Datisi]

a purely theoretical question, would you be willing to help with the yeet of the username?

Thought you found him town?

I probably would need to see a good case on IAUN. I can't really follow whatever he was trying to say about me, and I wished I was scum when I read his point about tricking me or whatever because I would have gone wild on that as scum to run him up.

He made some bad points like that as town in Revelations though (which I exploited as scum), so idk if he is town or scum here. Pretty null to me

it's a beautiful thing to replace into a game and be known to be A Gut-Driven Player, i can change my mind anytime i want and you cannot call me scum for it because That's How I Play and I Townspew By Rapid Firing Thoughts and because i *will* shriek my lungs out when you start dragging me to the yeetotine (i can't believe i just typed that with my own two hands) and it will not be pleasant

however, my question was moreso aimed at the "i would like to see titus and plus wagons competing" because i suddenly remembered there was like, A Negative Thing happening between you and username at some point yesterday and i thought "huh, wouldn't it make more sense if baltar wanted to see username eat the yeet?"

however however thinking back now was it moreso that username wanted to kill you than vice versa? i'm too lazy to go back and check but i'm gonna assume that is what happened.

[Datisi]

nary

i learned a new word today, thanks!!

[Datisi]

oh no now i think deas is scum too

is there any town in this goddamn game

[Datisi]

103 by klyne on titus is a point that speaks to me for some reason. i'll keep this post in mind.

this is interesting because this post stood out to both of us despite having opposite reads on titus/klyne. does it change how you read 46?

(2) surprisingly, no.

what are you keeping it in mind for exactly?

idk. maybe it'll hit me if it becomes relevant. maybe it won't.

[Datisi]

oh no now i think deas is scum too

is there any town in this goddamn game

Scum have no incentive to bus or crosskill. They have an intention to gang up on people and defend partners at the same time.

Notice how Klyne avoids talking about anyone but me. It's deliberate.

Also, sorry for struggling with this game. I've been rationing my meds. It's been hard to focus.

oh yeah about this

when i said "now i think deas is scum too" i was thinking his way/reasons of pushing klyne are like, Bad

i don't think deas/klyne are in the same pt

and like... if deas *were* scum, not like he'd know whether klyne is town or other scum, no?

[Datisi]

Dats, you set on Klyne over Titus?

idk lol who knows. when y'all started talking how you didn't remember taly was in the game i thought "wait, there's more players than titus, baltar, klyne, and username?" that should tell you how well i'm doing.

[Datisi]

tldr on game mechanics is there's a metric shitton of scum and we need to kill them

Hm. Can I have a summary of the gamestate rn?

titus and klyne are top wagons and we're probably killing one of them today. whoever is voting for one wagon is being accused of being the other wagon's scumbuddy.

maybe iso those two? iunno.

[Datisi]

a... tree diagram? aight to each their own

[Datisi]

piping hot take: i was right on battle mage, galaxii is scum who's struggling to come up with content

[Datisi]

i am about to make

a REALLY BAD DECISION

[Datisi]

VOTE: galaxii

this is a very bad decision someone take away my posting privileges

[Datisi]

galaxii repped in like 2 days ago

didn't post any content

my tinfoil is that they're newbscum and don't know what to do

i hated their predecessor's posts

Y E E T

[Datisi]

i was the first one to bring that idea forward!!!

[Datisi]

@mc if you acknowledge that galaxii being scum is clearly my idea do you feel any better voting there with me

[Datisi]

ok to be fair i just took a look through galaxii's older games and, while the only time they were scum they posted a hello and lurked out, they did a similar thing in some of the town games

am i willing to bet probably any towncred i managed to scrap on my battle mage shitty meta read

hmmmm

[Datisi]

what part of "galaxii did not contribute sqaut two days after replacing in, i think they're scum struggling to produce content, i hated battle mage's posts, and i want to murder that slot" is making you unsure?

[Datisi]

battle mage strikes me as scummy. in the games i've seen him so far, he usually had... more of a presence? more conviction? passion? here he feels like little more than wallpaper.

battle mage continues to be... unimpressive.

...

battle mage feels... trolly? like he doesn't actually care about this game? anyone with more meta on him than me free to chime in, i don't think i've ever seen him like this.

some sorta south of null: {bulge, plus, battle mage}

Also, tell me more about Battle Mage scum? Is this a meta read?

kinda. i've played three games with battle mage, in all three it was scum!me vs town!him, and in all three he was a strong presence, and *a fucking headache*. (gameplay-wise, not personality-wise.) compared to that, his game here seems... not even in the same universe?

but, while i've never personally seen scum!bm, i've heard decent things about his scumgame, so in a way i'm just puzzled about his play here? like, i definitely don't townread it, but? i dunno???

piping hot take: i was right on battle mage, galaxii is scum who's struggling to come up with content

didn't see the reasoning? you... you sure you read my posts?

[Datisi]

what? does that mean??

[Datisi]

that eod1 was the most beautiful thing i have ever seen

anyway. i think i kinda don't think klyne is scum anymore. like, i don't think he's mafia, but also kiiiinda not thinking he's a wolf either. ok.

someone said they'd want to find galaxii's partners first and that's wrong from the mech pov (since wolves are the one with the nightkill therefore it would be better to get rid of them first) but frankly i'm not sure how valuable it is to gamble like that.

No.1 spot on the wagon BAYBEEE.

Still a reasonable chance that Titus and Datisi are werewolves. Datisi isn't mafia.

well, you at least got that second part right... (also, right back at you. both bm/oram and galaxii/baltar interactions are like, not m/m. if they are, i'm fucking done with this game.

now, are they m/w...

)

my questions for you now would be (1) have the last 20 pages of day one done nothing? do you still hold the exact same view you did from before i replaced in? if the answer's no, then i wanna hear the changes. you genuinely thinking i'm scum here? (2) if you thought i'm scum, why did you start the galaxii wagon?

ok, wagon stuff. if there's a bus vote, i think it's username. why? ok hear me out.

piping hot take: i was right on battle mage, galaxii is scum who's struggling to come up with content

idk, this doesn't strike me as a situation where a scum replacement would need to concern themselves enormously with that tho. there's a deadline fast approaching and two wagons at E-2, they really just have to make a binary choice and worry about generating actual content tomorrow.

does anyone else think that kinda looks like a buddy trying to soft shut down a possible push because "it's not a lot of time left, two different wagons at Y-2, datisi won't start a last-minute cfd, and not like anyone is gonna take his ramblings seriously, right?"

now, i'm feeling spicy. gun-to-head, mafia is username+plusjoyed, wolves are deas+titus. hear me out.

i've said things about plus yesterday, above i've explained what pings me about username. onto the wolf team. titus continues to be... unimpressive. like, we just had a deadline cfd that hit scum. two competing wagons yesterday. shouldn't this be like, at least a good starting point for vca? instead, her entrance today is 815???

as for deas. i said this yesterday in 639, but 637 made my stomach turn. it's like, coupled with 658, it looks like a very weak attempt to justify a vote. "How things are said is probably more often alignment-indicative than the content itself" sounds like such a "oh god oh fuck i need to find reasons why i'm voting klyne oh shit". coupled with the fact that i kinda don't think klyne is scum anymore either, like. idk.

VOTE: titus impress me.

(also the first person to call this a bus/distance vote is getting slapped ok thank you)

[Datisi]

I think you are town utility at the worst.

*sounds of datisi scumgame being offended*

there is a part of my brain sitting in the corner, wearing a tinfoil hat and a straight jacket, saying how this is a setup and a misyeet chain being built. that would imply baltar knows titus flips wolf. which would imply a baltar/titus wolfteam. am i insane enough to see that as a possible universe? maybe. probably not.

anyway, you didn't *quite* answer my question. i get positive associate reads can be handwaved because "hurr durr multiball", but ignoring the flip and ignoring the CoNnEcTiONs, do you think my play has been scummy this game?

[Datisi]

@username, i kinda thought of that at first. however, what got me thinking was realizing how *unlikely* a galaxii yeet seemed at that time. dead game, 36h left, two wagons on Y-2, which insane fucker starts a fresh flashwagon in those circumstances? maybe i'm being overconfident about the One Bad Ping i saw from you on day one. idk. if CoC taught me anything, it's that i have no clue how to read you.

@baltar, i was thinking of multiball in a "obviously not a mafia, but is it a wolf?" sense while i get the feeling you're thinking in a "scum can genuinely scumhunt therefore they're harder to catch" sense. /shrug, i feel like i've been decently townie here and that you should like, know better. like you're doing the "datisi is townie but uhh gotta bs a not-townread... *checks notes* ...bultimall!" am i being egoistical? am i throwing a fit for not being an utr? perhaps.

a slightly less insane take is one wolf in titus/baltar.

now, a thought would be, wouldn't it be better for wolf!baltar to just keep pocketing me... like his titus/datisi wolf solve just falls through the floor as soon as titus flips town (or mafia, i guess). unless he thinks this is a better course of action than trying to pocket me.

sigh... titus, please come soon and make your alignment obvious.

[Datisi]

You seem very desperate for me to give you a town pass, especially when I said I'm not too interested in your yeet today.

shrug. i feel like you're one of the people here most familiar with my game, plus you're my designated paranoia read. being able to be confident in your alignment would be great.

[Datisi]

i have a very strong urge to keep arguing with baltar but i have a feeling it will be utterly counterproductive so with a heavy heart i won't

[Datisi]

onto the wolf team. titus continues to be... unimpressive. like, we just had a deadline cfd that hit scum. two competing wagons yesterday. shouldn't this be like, at least a good starting point for vca? instead, her entrance today is 815???

@titus, i believe murdercat was talking about this. does it change your opinion on my slot on any way?

[Datisi]

i called you scum along 3 other people and voted for you?? is that just being confused??

[Datisi]

titus, other than curdermat, who is scum? eli5, i'm drinking.

[Datisi]

tbh i don't think the fact that ben/klyne/deas being the hit list, who were 3rd/4th/5th votes on the wagon is a coincidence. which would imply the list got submitted after the 5th vote. no i don't have any conclusions about what this means for people's alignments don't ask.

pedit: hmmm
do you have any opinion on what i've been saying about deas today

[Datisi]

Datisti

;_;

So unless I town lock you, you can't read me? idgi

nooot quite. i've caught scum a couple of times by realizing that people who *should* be hard townreading me aren't (bc keeping the door open for my yeet right). i'm often on the lookout of how should who be reading me.

do i think you're scum bc of not fully townreading me here? no, not really, you don't seem like you're setting up my yeet this way (at least not yet), unless again, you're scum with exactly titus, which is insane. part of me thinks i'd be able to have a stronger townread on you right now if it were reciprocated. the other part thinks i'd just think you were pocketing me.

if you're now thinking that there's not much point to this and it's going nowhere, you are not wrong.

[Datisi]

@mod, ~1-2 days V/LA

i think i should be having Conclusions about username and titus and klyne and i am just not. need a mental health break + catching up on school stuff. would very appreciate if nobody got yeeted while i'm gone k thanks.

[Datisi]

ya know i had a feeling someone is gonna be trying bullshit

UNVOTE: titus

no yeets without me!!

[Datisi]

Mostly so Data doesn't have to worry about a VLA yeet

i'd think your phone would learn my name by now

Dat's agreement with Titus on MC but voting her anyway is a bit ??? on the previous page but MC's pocket is very warm so

i don't see where i was agreeing with titus? and even if i was, what is ??? about it?

okay i read what i missed, unfortunately right now i do not have any Hot Takes.
the vague list of people i probably? do not want to yeet today is currently baltar/clidd/klyne/titus
so possible yeets are... 6 people?? too much
i'm gonna scroll around some isos or whatever and see if anything grabs my eye

[Datisi]

ctrl+f'ing "klyne" in deas's iso still makes me want to yeet that slot (yeet deas, to be precise)

push on klyne still feels like a textbook scum shitpush of "i don't like the way you're saying things" (aka i still hate 637 and 639)

also i just realized i don't get his progression from "baltar is a townread" (665) to "positive vibes but can be scum" (895) to whatever 932 is, deas could you elaborate how/why you went through these?

*also* also i see you haven't answered first part of taly's 935 and i realize i'm also curious about that so?

[Datisi]

i tried to open bulge's iso but i realized most of the posts are [big quote + small response] and i don't think i have the brain capacity atm to read all of the posts just to see the context of responses so @bulge tl;dr your reads please? i caught like 2-3 of them in your iso (which may be my own fault but it also may not be)

[Datisi]

something tells me i should be suspicious of the fact that taly hasn't been mentioning me a lot but that something might be my dumb ego

I feel like a likelier gamestate is that {Klyne/Titus} has at least one town (

I'm leaning on both town because of the wagon stagnation and counter-wagon hitting Mafia

), and the narrative that the thread wants to perpetuate a 1v1 comes from a scum-led motive.

can you eli5 this for me please? also tl;dr your read on me?

[Datisi]

VOTE: plusjoyed

give me one reason you shouldn't be yeeted into the sun

[Datisi]

VOTE: plusjoyed

give me one reason you shouldn't be yeeted into the sun

the sun is too hot for me to survive

[Datisi]

also i just realized i don't get his progression from "baltar is a townread" (665) to "positive vibes but can be scum" (895) to whatever 932 is, deas could you elaborate how/why you went through these?

*also* also i see you haven't answered first part of taly's 935 and i realize i'm also curious about that so?

@deasvail

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the vague list of people i probably? do not want to yeet today is currently baltar/clidd/klyne/titus

PlusJOYED (5): clidd, Klyne, VP Baltar, Datisi, Titus

i have a feeling this should be telling me something but i am not quite sure what that something is. interested in any and all interpretations.

in any other game, i'd say 989 is scum soft-defending a misyeet wagon in a way that won't actually stop it, but in a way that will grant them towncred once it flips green. except that is impossible because scum can't know if someone is green or not. rip.

i don't have much to add

untill taly and bulge answer me

. ama.

[Datisi]

i'd prefer it be *lightly* longer until night because i still have a few questions i want answered.

[Datisi]

that was supposed to say slightly*.

while you're here, what's your read on me, other than the ~positive vibes but could be scum~ box?

[Datisi]

UNVOTE: plus

i had a vision right now of this getting lolhammered

also hi replacement

[Datisi]

i have two games of "meta" with plus, he was town both times, and he was decently tryhardy / actually posting stuff / not acting like a jester.

perhaps it would be wise to check his scumgames... but that's effort...

[Datisi]

IV!!!!!!! you better start townspewing a s a p

he was a townie.

[Datisi]

iv i am not getting townie vibes from you so if you're town i recommend you step it the fuck up

because if you think i have learned anything after wrongly deathtunnelling you in that last normal, i can assure you that i absolutely did not

[Datisi]

i have a feeling you're not trying to solve my alignment.

[Datisi]

what

[Datisi]

i seem to have lost the thread of this conversation because i genuinely have no idea what you're saying, iv

this could be (1) me being tired or (2) you being scum and throwing random irrelevant mafia theory to confuse me and because i'm too lazy to look for another wagon right now i'm gonna go with (2)

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why are you too lazy to look for another wagon? See if anything THAT’s a scumtell on the surface because scum care less about who gets elim’d than town, even if only a little bit (not saying I scumread you for that)

are you gonna pretend to scumread me but not actually attck me because you know that's a fight you are not winning?

[Datisi]

I don’t scumread you

surface scumtell =/= actual scumtell when I say it

then why are you pointing out things that you don't think are actual scumtells when you're not using them to sort

[Datisi]

were you serious earlier when you said i'm probtown and if it's a yes i would like the notes on that

[Datisi]

if you wanted some attention you should've just said so!!

why are you not a fan of that and what was the thoguht behind starting from the people *on* the scumwagon?

[Datisi]

1061 is an inside joke. otherwise that take is like, bland but i don't hate it.

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Datisi if I just lol!townbin you until like day 4 (if we get that far) tell me what you want from me to help derail my wagon

besides a catch-up and reads which I will provide

i don't like people loltownbinning me and you should like know that or something

i'll let you know how much i want to kill you after i see some reads and/or action from you.

1061 is an inside joke. otherwise that take is like, bland but i don't hate it.

it is not bland for someone who has just replaced in, and if you don't hate it, then what was the point of trying to discredit me?

i consider takes on my posting style bland. not sure what you mean by trying to discredit you? your read there is wrong, but i let you know i don't think you're scum for it, not sure what else you see there.

[Datisi]

(1) i don't townread you
(2) i'm not pushing you for "having a bad take"

[Datisi]

i'm not being defensive, i'm correcting you?

[Datisi]

not scumreading =/= townreading

though for the second one, i have a feeling we're using the word "push" differently. i generally use it only when referring to trying to wagon someone, so i'll stop drawing this discussion out.

[Datisi]

timing of these votes are suspicious. It was right after Datisi pressured Plus.

why is this suspicious? i know in the next post you say "since it's multiball" but i don't get what you mean there.

I am no longer comfortable with PlusJOYED/IV slot being lynched.

what made you change your mind here?

oh no i'm townreading 1137 oh god oh fuck

Mafia
Ahsoka

can i get the tl;dr on this?

[Datisi]

whatever you are solving right now please make note i am spiritually still on iv (and will probably physically be there again soon) ok thanks

[Datisi]

current hot take is that deas/iv are both scum in different pts.

[Datisi]

for a bit i got sad thinking nobody was gonna ask me to elaborate

IV's entrance to the thread is not clear to me alignment-wise but the "I'm town I'm town I'm town" style stuff actually has me leaning town rather than scum. I would guess that scum-IV would go for a more subtle approach to looking town rather than just stating it, especially under that amount of pressure. It doesn't actually seem inauthentic to me, but I am prepared to be wrong.

ok there's a reason why i don't find this convincing At All. when i was thinking about repping into the game, i saw marashu's slot was next, i skimmed the last few pages, and i saw baltar yammering about marashu being scum with titus or something. and my first thought was that i do not want to be fighting that, especially if i do roll scum. but i saw the playerlist was good, the mod was good, so eh might as well practice talking my way out of shit as scum. it was basically a "ok if we get a red role pm we'll meme around and try our best and if we fail we fail". then i got a green role pm oops.

anyway the point is that iv's play here kinda reminds me of that - he said it himself that he thought he was getting a red role pm here upon repping in. like, someone who braced themselves to meme around and have to be dragging their slot out of dirt, had an explosive start, but upon it actually coming to Doing Something, he's like... Not Doing Anything.

however i do not think these two are scum together because deas seems to be making the worst possible associates with iv, and iv is more and more likely to flip today.

i guess i still find iv scummier than deas? like i dunno how much i have to offer on deas other than the ~gutpings~ for his klyne read and i think it was something about his baltar read that i didn't like? and also idk he's sitting on a vanity while not really trying to convince anyone into voting with him which makes me think he doesn't actually give a rat's ass about who dies today so.

[Datisi]

can i get the tl;dr on this? [A as mafia]

Sure. It's largely Taly's interactions with the thread and Murdercat. A has continued that pattern. Taly also only flaked this game.

err, i figured it was something about taly's interactions with the thread, could you be a bit more specific tho? or link me to where you talked about it if you have already?

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one day... one day people will spell my name right...

say the word and my vote is yours. i am unfortunately not as confident on plus/iv as i was on bm/galaxii (especially right after being so aggressively wrong on iv), but maybe even less on deas, so.

[Datisi]

@titus, what do you think, how likely is iv to be not of the town?

[Datisi]

you've been sitting on klyne-vanity for 6 days now (897), i'm gonna assume he's your strongest scumread because of that. i don't think anyone in that time actually showed serious interest in voting for him, but you don't really seem alarmed. you mentioned him once in passing (932) the day after, and then *finally* started making some sorta "case" earlier today (1129, 1131), when it's like 2 days till deadline. like, it does not give an impression of someone who actually believes their own reads and wants to push them through.

[Datisi]

"if you assume i'm town" i'm not gonna assume you're town. you've presented scumreads and some basic reasoning for them yes. it feels more like "look! i totally have reads!!" rather than anything you seriously want to try to push through.

[Datisi]

klyne i would love to read your headass nonsense

[Datisi]

on mafia wagon and on mafia hit list. probably not mafia. too bad there's another scum faction...

[Datisi]

VOTE: innocentvillager

ahsoka, i'm interested in how you explain those 4 being scum, that is who is scum with whom and what faction, because i don't think it's adding up.

[Datisi]

why is the fact that they're unlikely to be mafia giving you pause altogether?

[Datisi]

It's almost so bad it makes me think he could be town....

i lowkey feel this and don't know how to feel about that

[Datisi]

titus do i look like i know how to play this dumb game the answer is no no i do not.

@titus, what do you think, how likely is iv to be not of the town?

can you pls do this thing

[Datisi]

although still heavily Datisi focused

is this

a problem

[Datisi]

why should i specifically not think you're scum

[Datisi]

what have you done here that you wouldn't do as scum

[Datisi]

VOTE: deasvail

thank you

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VOTE: innocentvillager

ahsoka, i'm interested in how you explain those 4 being scum, that is who is scum with whom and what faction, because i don't think it's adding up.

I think you are wrong and shady with this post.

I have already explained in all of my other posts, and if you read them, I believe it would make sense.

ok. you say scum is {Murdercat, VPB, Titus, IV}. murdercat is mafia (1186), titus is a wolf (1197). what alignment are iv and baltar? i'm looking for it, but i can't find it. i could be blind, in which case, link me.

pedit: ok. my issue here now is that, for this theory to hold together, you either have to convince me that (1) baltar is wolf with titus, or (2) baltar is mafia. i find both *very* hard to believe.

[Datisi]

you single out 4 people, the exact number of scum left, that you have said negative things about, as "up to no good", and i'm not supposed to assume that's your solve of the game?

[Datisi]

Why do you find it very hard to believe?

you mean baltar associates? (1) because he's been pushing titus for the entirety of day one and (2) he was one of the co-founders of the mafia flashwagon we had at eod1. like, you're probably sooner gonan convince me of datisi being mafia than of baltar being mafia.

[Datisi]

pardon?

[Datisi]

Why do you find it very hard to believe?

you mean baltar associates? (1) because he's been pushing titus for the entirety of day one and (2) he was one of the co-founders of the mafia flashwagon we had at eod1. like, you're probably sooner gonan convince me of datisi being mafia than of baltar being mafia.

I had already stated i hadn’t read the full game.

This might be a scum slip by you

, but one of those post game hindsight things.

in what way is this possibly a scumslip?

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forgive me for playing the semantics game, but "very hard to believe" is not 100%.

It’s only a 100% possibility if you know because your alignment.

also, this is false. if wolf!baltar is bussing wolf!titus, mafia!datisi has no more clue about it than town!datisi. unless you're implying i'm scum with at least one of them, but...

[Datisi]

You specifically stated you’d believe you were Mafia over VPB, or a 100% read.

yeah, i stand by that, baltar isn't mafia. i can ~theoretically~ see him doing theatrics with titus.

pedit: i think we were referring to two different things (baltar being wolf/mafia) at two different times and honestly i think this conversation is not productive at all and i'd like to cut it short now.

[Datisi]

i think i was p decently townread before that, thank you very much.

pedit: the only productive thing this conversation is doing is giving me a headache

[Datisi]

Subject: Open 802: Graveyard

then who is the wolf team? ahsoka, and... who the fuck is even in this game? iamusername?? kylne????

like i'm gonna run with my "wolf!baltar does not kill me last night unless his partner is exactly klyne" theory and i don't know if i see baltar/klyne?

ok new solve is mc+bulge for mafia and ahsoka+usename for the doggos

fuck me lmao

[Datisi]

klyne whyyyy ahsoka was obviously scum why did you do thaaaatttt

[Datisi]

thank for mod umlaut
gg wolves

[Datisi]

klyne have you played the game that your current avatar is from

[Datisi]

oh my god

[Datisi]

yeah imagine that