Open 794 Pick Your Power X/Y (finished)

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Do scumread anyone currently?

I'm scumreading S_S

I'm also not a fan of some of worst's posts, and his reaction to my fakeclaim is scummy

SS is town off the last five pages

I'm going to throw my tea cup at you for how weak the read on me is. Try and have real reads if you're town pls

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diary entry
thursday sept the 10th
the bottom tier of my PoE still has two scum in it and they've all gone mad. that is all. bye.

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very well, wish granted; I shall be leaving my vote on Gypyx

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VOTE: a50
i repeat: they are both scum

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gypyx isn't powerful or loud as scum but he is audiacious.
gypyx isn't powerful or loud in this game but he is audacious.

the scumclaim isn't a ~towny move~. it's not a ~scummy move~. it's transparently a reaction test, same as his test to being fakehammered before.
can town do reaction tests? yes, to try and sort players.
can scum do reaction tests? yes, to try and look towny.
so what do we make of the fact his evaluation of reactions to his reaction test is shitty?

i acknowledge the reasoning that gypyx wouldn't gamethrow as scum. he's not banned, so i agree he's not a thrower. i absolutely refute the reasoning that because he's not gamethrowing, he's towny.

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that's respectable, i think it's pretty hard to nail his alignment from the content here.
my yelling that he's scum with a50 is heavily influenced by the facts it makes sense, and i have a lot of townreads.

i suppose i have more issues with the assumption that he's town than i do with the idea of people not-scumreading him

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is it bad i think #1120 is towny for a generally noncommittal read on a slot who everyone seems to have a committal read on ....... ?

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that was a Bit slippy

but i do think grecray, word, drdolittle, grumpy and smarty are town.
hoopla users and maybe clover shoulddd be town
ico and you are maybe town with the caveat that i think there's probably upwards of one scum in u because the world is an ugly place

i literally can't remember what my read on umlaut is

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SS is appearing in lots of conversations which i can believe SS appearing in and having lots of opinions i can see town!SS having and i.. think scum!SS is probably just lazier in this phase (with the caviet that if his entire team is being snowed maybe he does after all who knows~~)~ ~

basically same i have 0 motivation to 100% solve on d1, i'm the deepwolf so obviously i'll be around until xylo (d4 or w/e) to reevaluate and fix any erroneous townreads

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wild example that stung me like a jellyfishy earlier:

congrats, you lied to the town and I will forever want to eliminate you because there's no reason to think that you aren't scum who pulled this to try to look like crafty town

There's the small detail that it doesn't look crafty in the slightest.

don't think this tangent is scum!ss talking about scum!gypyx
don't think scum!ss bothers defending town!gypyx with this
it reads like a Real Thought
+ town equity

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i have a lot of townreads

this was a bit slippy; i frogot i was meant to be adopting a lazy nonchalant whimsical approach to this game and was therefore not as transparent about my tiered reads

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would you like an updated read octagon? you'll need to name the last two axes, i'm not feeling very intelligent rn.

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is it bad i think #1120 is towny for a generally noncommittal read on a slot who everyone seems to have a committal read on ....... ?

I think so?

oh this is also a towny pop-in. lol.

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it's kind of a read, from me, which is very much something that's on the inside of my brain right now and it's quite inaccessible, and he's popped in with a response which is quite cognisant of the fact it's not an accessible read, but which also doesn't pretend to be like, a read in itself

he's not concerned with trying to look towny and i don't feel like he's concerned with trying to manipulate associatives and i buy the thoughts he's having about this game being real

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ooh can i have a sticker?

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in fairness the gamestate really turned into a Murder Gypyx Party for a sec.

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doing what?

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town with minimal experience with gambits exploding who thought it was a good idea ig

i agree it's a scummy reaction. i don't really think he's town. but i feel more confident about a scumflip from a50.

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i'm just gonna prodge & proxy my vote to the great cake queen until they're both dead

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and that's a hammer.

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are you twilight TMI'ing a50 as town pal?

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no i'm trying to TMI gypyx as town

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Is he tho? I seem to have a bit more conviction than you on my direction

Oh crap, I forgot to actually TMI him.
Hm
Ah well, we'll just have to flip him.

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oh boy I townread the entire wagon. fuck.

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GL fam have a good night

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where's the flip dave.

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hey the reality is still wearing red, I'll take it

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ngl if this flips red just powerelim Gypyx and I'm soulreading that's a venge but it's WORTH IT

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ty sweet dragon

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can't it be both?

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am i conftown now? yes? okay cool.

yeah paranoia swallowed until i heroically miselim you in f3 for the loss.

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Hoopla, I was your biggest fan and will never forget you. That kill surely implies a scummo in the top 3.

Umlaut didn't vote his counterwagon of Marquis (scum) until it was L-2 and there was no alternative. Then, later on, he pushed Gypyx over Almo. Starting here.

VOTE: Umlaut

good vote, umlaut/gypyx/marquis is the team

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how many bus votes do we think there are? marquis was a spicy scum PR to bus on day *one*.

actually somewhat strongly agree bussing unlikely

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DrDolittle 8 - Townread this doc
Something_Smart 9 - Townread this Aa
Umlaut 21 - He's iffy. His actions point to him being partnered with Marquis. Marquis's actions point to him not being partnered.
Marquis 1 - DEAD
Datisi 1 - Town
Clover Ebi 3 - Hoopla was with me on him townslipping. Less likely to kill Hoopla.
the worst 3 - ???
Hoopla 5 - :[
Iconeum 5 - ???
Grumpy Cat 11 -
Gypyx 11 - Hoopla is a very strange kill for him to make.
word321 4 - ???
iamausername 4 - ???
Green Crayons 4 -???

Thoughts so far. Need to look back at the wagon dynamics for the others.

am i meant to fill in why i wouldn't kill hoops? :0

OK.. tw says I'm being survivalistic... so I robably should quick!hammer? But what if Gypx is town? But what if I do NOT hammer and Gypx is Scum? Ok, what if I'm trolling and really don't care (which I am)??

ok, thoughts about this a50 could probably either tell or be told in the scum PT that the game wants his head, so might as well lolhammer a random townie and make sure you at least get the chance to use your 1-shot vig, no??

sure.
i think scum!a50 probably chokes on his words towards scumbuddy!me at some point late d1, but i'm also aware that this is an obvious path to take to subvert so
you should townread me but if u don't i udnerstand

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VOTE: Umlaut

3rd spot on the wagon, i guess users is scum~~

VOTE: umlaut

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i like read your post and it was ok
and then i started thinking about my interactions with a50 yesterday and i was like "oh shit i'm obvtown now"

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i'mma let you ponder on that 1

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i kinda had that tweak as well
VOTE: umlaut cya d3

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much better, ty.

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VOTE: gypyx

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i feel like there's a pretty small % of scum players who actually react poorly to that kind of test
i satirise them for a reason

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am i allowed to vent about my paranoia-reads or is that -EV right now

rant at will

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us: do what you think is best

datisi: screams, sets the game thread on fire, rolls it down a hill

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why do I have no opinion about what alignment this makes drdolittle

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if it was ss I'd have a stronger opinion

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huh. i was thinking last that "wow, sure hope the uni backup is town so they shoot gypyx and we don't have to waste a day on him." was lowkey disappointed that didn't happen.

looking forward to your theorycrafts, drd

mood, except I didn't think this.

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who even needs a rolecop just kill the people who are good at mechanics and scream until everyone massclaims

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One one hand I don't see how Role Cop is +EV over regular Cop, but on the other hand; scum picking Role Cop over Jailkeeper/1-shot vig/Roleblocker/Vengeful for first pick is very unusual. Doc is

probably

town if he can explain his EV thing.

I think I probably agree tbh it's just..... such a strange first pick for scum in his shoes to ACTUALLY pick, like I don't think marquis was established as a D1 lolbus but also really doubt that scum in draft position #1 would be like "ok cool let's pick a cliché high EV scum role"

the suggestion that drdo is... just scum for having such a cliché scum pick also kinda left me wanting :u who said it again

whatever I'll wait for drdo just talking through my brain thoughts

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oh it was umlaut. lol.

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hello

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Is it even a cliche scum pick though? Isn't 1-shot vig/vengeful/JK/RB better for scum?

this is what I'm getting at. Rolecop is a cheesy scum role, but it's not actually very useful for scum in this setup.

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ladies... you're both pretty... why don't we unite our powers... our dashing good looks... and execute the obvscum...

have I told you lately I love you

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First I liked his reaction to what I thought was the best case about him around his voting/not voting of Marquis/A50.

Second, his theory that scum picked his attempted PR seems more likely to come from town paranoia.

issue fmpov is it's pretty transparently incorrect and does a better job of creating gamestate friction than finding actual scum but I think it's probably just intuition and I'm overthinking it

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why do I have no opinion about what alignment this makes drdolittle

if it was ss I'd have a stronger opinion

Going to just throw out there that TW is either town or absolutely brilliant scum with this pair of posts.

): Why can't I be both? please pander me

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investigate fully these 4 role-pairs (which are the roles that need to be figured out in general),

sure, this checks out.
drdolittle is probably crazy enough that this reasoning occurs to him as town. not really convinced he's crazy enough that it occurs to him as scum?

also I think I tend to agree there's a kind of antisynergy in marquis/umlaut picks actually

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It's mechanically optimal for him to decide depending on what his result is...?

yeah if he has anything incriminating he should sit on it, if he has anything good and spicy he should out it I think

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other way around. coffee get inside me.

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So:
-From 4 first picks of the game, the 1st AND 3rd decided both it was a good idea to pick one of universal backup or rolecop as a +EV for town instead of a cop or other "shenanigan" like that: I think there r rly high probabilities one of em is scum and one aint.
-Furthermore, scum DID pick 1-vig, and it is obvious that no 2 scums would go for the same pair. If we believe that there is scum in the first 3 picks and it wasnt only marqis, THERE NECESSARILY IS a scum favouring role among Doc, Umlau, and S_S.

Im A-ok sending doc to the gallows just for his role tbh.
VOTE: Doc

so doc is scum because he has a different take on mechanics to u, interesting. could I get a bit more about why this makes him aligned with the mafia and not just VERY SILLY?

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tbh untill ppl began talkin about how it would be horrible for gypyx to do that as scum and that gypyx is not the kind of guy to throw a game I almost

hammered

him

As I said repeatedly yesterday they are scum together. Gypyx was also wagoned and tried to draw votes away from his vig scumbuddy. He's started today off by hard lurking because he failed and has been caught.

Convince me otherwise I double triple dare you.

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what do you think of this

that's a lovely post.

when said thought process is unusual for town, and 2 allegedly town players have the same when they have the first picks of the games, well, let me doubt of at least one of em

fyi: drdolittle is unusual.
please reconsider and reconvene.

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Also, A50 could have lolhammered Gypyx and fired his shot before dying, and he did not...

I forgot about this, great call.

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yeah but things happened and I forgot after that

I don't think Gypyx+word are scum together, probably 1 in them tho

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I think there's huge scum equity in what they're pushing, but I don't think both surviving scum dive into such a bad opinion when it's transparently unpopular. I actually think it's probably +scum for Gypyx more than word.

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consider -

town!word raises an awful point. scum!Gypyx agrees with it.
scum!word raises an awful point. town!Gypyx agrees with it.
scum!word raises an awful point. scum!Gypyx agrees with it.
town!word raises an awful point. town!Gypyx agrees with it

I think s/s is just a lot less likely.

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is duck scum again

obviously.

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roasting scum is so much fun.

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I thought i wanted to say a thing.

Then I realized that I really didn't have anything to say to someone makes the excellent deduction, if we believe A B and C is scum, then there necessarily is a scum in A B and C; and give the inspiring hot take, if two people have the same thought process, its rly high probabilities that one of em is scum and one aint

Uhh what, might be because it's 00:30 where i am but could you explain what you mean there? I don't see what your point is even applying to

hmm i thought this was shadier on first read than it actually feels

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it is a bit confusing in retrospect.

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do it. coward. i dare you.

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It's not much of a wagon if only I do it though.

(And anyway I still have mixed feelings about Dolittle.)

dolittle is easy to feel conflicted about. word hasn't been pressed yet. what are you waiting for, drdo's permission?
i thought you were a badass umlaut. don't let me down.

pedit: yeeet
VOTE: word

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i mean, i was just being provocative, but incidentally yes.

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awww thank u dragon ^_^
what are your thoughts on tha tpost?

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do u think it's umlaut/gypyx?

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that was kinda my initial thought but when ss bonked me on the head and i reread it, the gypyx/word interaction didn't feel as..mm...opportunistic? pocketyish? as it did the first time

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i think we should end this phase by brutally murdering gypyx tbf.
what struck you as pockety or scummy from SS? like at what point did you start to think he might be scum

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i'll take that.
could you roughly tier ur townreads for me, if you're feeling like it?

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that's actually a good point. ss is always cute but HOW cute...?

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IT'S ME AND YOU'LL NEVER CATCH ME.

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@worst roughly in order

Ico
worst/datisi
grumpy Kitty

crayons/clover/ddl/word
SS/iamausername

umlaut






gypyx

i feel like these reads are unlikely to have a deepwolf in high tiers (unless you're fooling as all)
namely i'm a bit anxious about clover & word but like, fine, we have time

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ducky you're fueling my paranoia and if you continue at one point it's gonna make me gamethrow

we just have to win the game before you miselim me then everything will be fine

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clover is town
word Might not be
(also growing paranoia about the dragon)

i mediumly town?read the dragon.

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also where would i be in your reads if i hadn't picked 1,asking for a friend

i give less than 1 fucks about your number pick

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i give less than 1 fucks about your number pick

This is surprising... why not?

when playing mafia i'd prefer to tend towards playing mafia & consider picks later.

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I'm more about finding townreads than getting stuck on this stuff myself haha

if this is true, why haven't you tried to engage with me (or like, even mention me at all) during the entire game?

bang.

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Official Vote Count 1.12

Almost50(7) - Grumpy Cat, Hoopla, word321,

iamausername, Green Crayons

, the worst, DrDolittle

(E-1)

Gypyx(3) - Datisi, Iconeum, Umlaut
Umlaut(1) - Almost50
Dr Dolittle(1) - Clover Ebi
Something_Smart(1) - Gypyx

Not Voting(1) - Something_Smart
With 14 alive, elimination requires 8 votes

Day ends in (expired on 2020-09-13 23:00:00)

Mod notes:
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not sure if scum50 is gonna be sticking to a vote on a fellow scumbuddy here
at this point of the game, i don't think scum will be solidly bussing A50 and my independent reads agree: if there's bussing, it's likely in
username or crayons imo

umlaut wasn't eating the elim over a50 i don't think this is clearing - why did he vote there again

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actually VOTE: gypyx l-1

i'm noooooot quite liking my gypyx scumread

hey i've been screaming that this was a s/s vote for a while, lol.

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i'm not solving the game, just enjoying your company, dear dragon.

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don't worry ico, dats is scum and he's messing with you

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VOTE: Gypyx L-1

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this is the most obvtown I've felt on d2 in years
the rest of those reads are incredibly lukewarm so ya pls elaborate on what you're seeing

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*waves*
yes I think my reason for clearing Gypyx/word was a bit silly but if that's literally the solve I'll be a bit sad.

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idrc either way. I'm a bit surprised he just left it on a vt claim if scum but I don't think he's town.

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So like:

word -> Crayons -> user -> Ico -> tw -> Clover -> S_S -> DDL claims results -> Grumpy -> Datisi?

i'm down for this

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I think out of that group I make the least sense to eliminate first (I'd argue being off Marquis but on Gypyx is more clearing than the other way around), but I don't even care if you disagree, as long as you agree that the general plan in lieu of new evidence is to just wipe out that whole group.

you're making a vca argument but saying you would bus the scum pr but not the goon?

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Ico is 1) probably town, 2) not a mechanics wizard and unlikely to correctly manipulate massclaim if he is scum, so I think there's nearly no loss to skipping him but I'm next so maybe I'm just getting pre-claim excitement?

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2) not a mechanics wizard

the understatement of the century...

ye i'm fine with skipping over him for now

I was hoping someone would read between the lines Ty

I'm a

VANILLA TOWNIIEEEEEE

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pypx/y massclaim is basically always spicy

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In response to a setup question:
An individual Mafia member cannot nightkill and use a power on the same night.

Timely reminder that confirmable actions in this setup are townclearing from here out

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are you about to cc me

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the worst do you think scum double bussed

hi
no
gypyx higher bus value than marq

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i'd be rather surprised if scum were like "yo let's heroically bus our n1 power role"

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gypyx trying to plank so that marq/a50 wasn't eliminated makes me feel like i'm right

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lie flat, get himself voted out


i just think the view that it wasn't a double bus feels rather naive, it's happened twice before on this setup with the remaining scum going on to win, both scum here were playing like shit and from my outside perspective bussing them was the only sensible thing to do. we'll see how the claims shake out i guess but i do want to issue a warning so people don't slide into lazy thinking

dw, sometimes i never get lazy occasionally.
there's some possibility of a doublebus, sure.

who is it? the doubebus core are independently towny

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if gypyx actually unintentionally planked that hard my mind is blown

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idk just mentally preparing you for the scenario where game is hard because that's the benefit i have from knowing my role is green

asked you that just because you've seen it happen before so dismissing it out of pocket is a little concerning

just because skitter hit endgame without being reconsidered at all, does not mean we should start shooting at low-probability scum slots after b2b scumflips just because tHeY cOuLd HaVe DoUbLeBuSsEd

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I have a spicy result

do you think it's worth outing?

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true. i lowkey assumed it'd be on someone who already claimed, as it otherwise wouldn't be very spicy.

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i think there's situations where town are incentivised to fuck around with claims in this setup tho so i'm trusting drdolittle's discretion as to how he uses whatever information he has etc. etc.

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i guess i'm just wondering if this is going anywhere or just an effort in stating the obvious / mafia theory?
like in practice what is my takeaway other than "reassess your reads"?

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ooh spicy

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it's cool, i feel it but i suppose pressing you to elaborate is more valuable than thinking thru what you're saying at this point w/o more flips

i didn't really register it until umlaut did his SOD vca but like, the people who have been on both wagons are independently the people i also townread off general ~~ town energy ~~ so aorn i don't really feel like we have a deep wolf. if we do, i don't think i'm gonna find it while there's shallower slots who could easily be scum.

if you're town i need a bit more blood before i can solve this game satisfactorily i think?

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let's put it another way peta.. I could see you being town. like I could argue for town!word if I was incentivised to. I could also argue that word was scum with both flipped scum. I'm not really sure I've convinced myself either way which means I don't feel compelled to convince anyone else either way. But if you wanna swing in and solve this game with us, like even if you're not destined for endgame I will give you the benefit of treating your solve as sincere while you're here.

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Oh boy we really fucked the draft I feel

pedit: a huge mood.
I don't like you a bunch clovey I'm sorry

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My generation was quite bad at pypx/y and we actually got really into open setups generally. I feel like they're doomed these days but I think I like pypx/y more this way.

pedit: yo I want drdo to claim his results last

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pls noo

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rest is bad. play mafia all night

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we maaaaay be in auto

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Neighborizer OR Fruit Vendor

god I hope we have someone in this pair

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I'll analyse after massclaim

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it is yeah

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SS is either town or just lost the game

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I'm guessing we finish massclaim just for the lols?

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Yeah the rest can claim in whatever order. Conftown claims matter now tho. If we have a jailkeeper and/or {neighbouriser,fv} this game is hilarious levels of autowin

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I assumed he meant doctor as well, that bracket is a super high scum equity pick

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high value more than high equity actually. maybe both. I don't think you're scum for picking it.

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goes without saying SS' target last night is very exciting

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did u target pete last night? I'm not a smart duck

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umlaut got wagoned for bad reasons which is his most surefire towntell

I love this and so true

I think it was you fam

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Yeah. I appreciate you replacing in, but there's probably not anything you can do to save your slot.

oh
big oh

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I would like to dedicate this town stomp to Hoopla. She may be the only factor stopping a perfect town win, but she definitely made the carnage possible.

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that one game? you mean open 794?
pls say hi from me if that's how it goes

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peta like absolutely should be elimmed or unambiguously cleared before endgame, but on the balance of probabilities basically everyone can be eliminated or cleared before endgame

pedit: you're currently literally better than an alignment cop.

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i really liked that post hahah

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i sub'd uni backup ): i didn't think the current site culture appreciated it much
rip me i guess

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at this rate i'm like 99% sure the kitty just tried to get ubackup

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unfortunately

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pedit: you're currently literally better than an alignment cop.

these two posts were almost an hour apart, how tf did you get pedited

can't remember, I'm awesome

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Confirming Grumpy Cat is neighborizer. He also told me in private that he had been blocked by S_S before S_S named his target.

Incidentally, we can confirm S_S as town (or, if he is scum, force him to no-kill for the rest of the game) by instructing him to roleblock Grumpy Cat until there is a nightkill, since Grumpy will know whether their action succeeds or not.

let's do this n4

@ss block me tonight pls

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spicey

so we have
yes {Clover, petapan}
literally throwing if scum {Datisi, S_S, Grumpy Cat}
no {DDL, Umlaut, tw, username, Crayons, Ico}

so we just execute someone in no and then leash each of me, Datisi, Grumpy to a different target in no. we should be able to autowin and then some; Datisi being scum is the only scenario where this is not ENTIRELY clear but I think it still is.

d3 elim whoever (Cray if you want? not important
SS blocks me
Umlaut keeps grumpy
Grumpy targets username
Datisi targets his choice of {ddl, umlaut, users, ico, cray}

d4 assume clover, peta, tw, grumpy all cleared and datisi dead
elim whoever {ddl, umlaut, users, ico, Cray}

should get us into f7 with two uncleared slots + ss?
I'd value the umlaut clear more highly than the SS clear tonight.

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Hrm. Hrm.

tw did you pocket me hard earlier?

It’s okay if you did. I enjoyed it.

Not very strategic tho since I don’t have a lot of pull with nowadays players.

I've been told my pockets are warm <3

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hi ducky can you concede if you are scum pls and ty

you know I wouldn't but I'm also not <3

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Let me just go like full soap box for a sec: I was a proud pioneer of both scum wagons but constantly entertained other options. I am fucking adorable and in retrospect that's mistakable for pocketing. I'm a lazy boi these days and I'm not gonna go wild at people for trying to mis-elim me. I *am* eliminatable in this game, and I think my lategame mis-elim equity is high.

I'm imploring SS to trust me that I know what I'm talking about and roleblock me tonight.

pedit: pls don't talk about optimal scum Strat I don't think they've found it yet

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Happy scumday, graycons.

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I can't stop :'(
I'd like it to be Ico too ngl but it feels less likely

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UNVOTE: fwiw
I'll elim whoever in the PoE, I'd like SS and umlaut to confirm they're happy with blocking me and grumpy respectively and grumpy to confirm he's happy to target whoever in the PoE other than himself and myself and the blockers

Datisi, agree don't call your target in advance. Preferably avoid the four people involved in my block plan tho

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Hey if they wanna no kill I'll take the free cop results, lol

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I would post that as scum. I see a way scum can lower the odds of town autowin but I don't think many people could actually do it successfully here?

We can talk about it tomorrow but absolutely not today, and only if you're willing to clear me.

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duck, why do you keep pushing for blocking grumpy...?

it confirms that grumpy failed to take an action, and also confirms that umlaut made a blocking action - two clears for the price of one.

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hold on

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Damn, sorry. It seemed like Datisi had suffered enough waiting for me to claim, I didn't want to put him through that again.

I can confirm Umlaut is jailkeeper though. He told me in the PT he wasn't planning on claiming it yet, but guess he changed his mind.

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dw about it, I am not scum and am pleading to be cleared tonight so it's not pertinent

pedit:

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I hate this game.

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SS I like, really really think you should block me tonight regardless of umlaut's role.

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Actually yeah nvm that is on point

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oooo

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That actually doesn't make the game all that much spicier
Vig holster
SS on me

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who randed fun police?
I'm the n3 vig, if SS blocks me tonight we're both confirmed.

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I've been softing it with the delicacy of a hand grenade and I don't think anyone noticed :'(

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I was low-key hoping you'd pick up that I was signalling thinking very carefully about night actions despite the fact normal duck slips into a coma around this point of the game. It's ok, I'm not as smooth as I thought I was

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like now we can upgrade our Standard Autowin™ plan to a Super Deluxe Autowin™ where the duckling shoots in the unconfirmed and he clears himself unless scum holster.

and if scum holster, we trade mutually confirming you/me for getting another datisi clear, and then can do the mutual on you/kitty later.

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I was low-key hoping you'd pick up that I was signalling thinking very carefully about night actions despite the fact normal duck slips into a coma around this point of the game. It's ok, I'm not as smooth as I thought I was

I mean it looked like you were softing something but I couldn't imagine what you would be softing that would be harmful for you to come out and say :X

I was gonna play coy but when I thought Umlaut was actually a jailkeeper I thought we could have FOUR!!! clears in one night even with datisi dying and realised scum were highly incentivised to holster

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ss targets me because we don't actually really want me to successfully kill anyone

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let's kill Cray
I'll target users
you check ico (for the bromance)
SS targets me

alg?

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very nice copping btw. that explains a lot of my anxiety about your solve feeling partially half assed.

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just pretend you get it
gottem
if there's a scum nk and no vig kill it confirms ss targeted me with a roleblocking action, and that I was blocked so couldn't have done the kill. you can use confirmable actions to get mutual clears with a roleblocker or jk.

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oh am I the only one who picked this? I'd rather just keep the extra elim and get you cleared as well

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true. we may as well get the free ss clear and stay in odds imo.

pedit: I agree with that yeah. you're a pseudoprotective so either need to be killed or worked around before dats can die. my shot won't go through.

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ohhhh scum nightkill!!!!!
I'll shoot Umlaut instead

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let's kill Cray
I'll target users
you check ico (for the bromance)
SS targets me

alg?

I target Umlaut instead of users
I think this is highest % overkill

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it's probably ico yeah

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I'm amenable to letting you cop him instead
higher drama endings are my jam

pedit: oh shit it's so pretty. I'm in.

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post pocket therapy hugs are on offer. I think maybe grumpy will let you give him an even number of head pats as well. pls don't be not ok.

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VOTE: iconeum farewell sweet dragon

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there isn't a condition that causes the plan to fail which we couldn't work around.

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- if ss is scum it'll become obvious because the plan just doesn't work
- if datisi is scum we leave him alive until he's cleared everyone then elim him (a la skitter30 in the last pyp)
- if anyone else is scum they're in autolose

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that's the same as no-killing, except we just get SS to confirm himself on grumpy.

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*deep breath*

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if i shot tonight we lose a potential elim and we're back in evens. not a huge deal but it's one more point against, so i'd prefer to play mechanically optimally.
1. so i could holster, be blocked by SS, and be confirmed.
2. i could shoot, not be blocked by SS, and remove someone from the pool while confirming myself.
3. i could shoot, be blocked by SS, and confirm both myself and SS while staying in evens.

honestly whatever works because we're in auto, but #3 is the most badass play

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staying in odds*

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it's so weird, for such an unpopular/underused role it's actually historically been picked really often o.0

on the contrary, the n3 vig/venge bracket seems to be really underappreciated ;^;
i'm so shook nobody picked jk this time, that's normally like a top 5 pick

gonna wait til postgame but i have a suspicion scum picked based on the game playing out a certain way, and likely misplayed really horribly on d1

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wouldn't be surprised at all.

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yeeeah hahaha

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to add insult to injury, in the scenario where datisi dies, smart is also cleared.

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just for fun: the most irritating scenario (akin to someone starting a game of tic tac toe in one of the side-middle squares) in which scum camps no kill to avoid users/ss & we only ever get innos and miselims.

if there's no kill we have 10 alive with two clears (peta + clover) plus a third clear from datisi's action.
i then leave the mechclear pool but can be cleared via datisi.
we elim in the PoE (myself or umlaut) & enter the night with 9 alive and three clears, with a new plan of (datisi=>x, ss=>grumpy) which has the outcome of mutually confirming ss & grumpy if there is a kill.

if there's no kill again we enter 9p with four clears at which point we just elim into the PoE again, rinse & repeat night actions, and enter 7p or 8p with 4 or 5 clears. which is still auto.

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as long as we remember that ss is not scum for not generating clears, and ss' targets are not *necessarily* scum because of the lack of nk (see: petapan) we win.

if ss is scum,

he would have surrendered as soon as he claimed roleblocker

he'll eventually lose.

• via datisi generating results, or
  
• kill datisi to enter a gamestate where he's auto-guiltied himself via my n3 target dying
  
• kill datisi tomorrow & auto-guilty himself via grumpy's neighbouriser shot going through n4
  
• enter auto-loss via datisi slowrolling invest results

if datisi is scum he necessarily snookers himself as long as we leave him alive

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yeesssss
you don't need to do anything dw we'll try and win without clearing/flipping u

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i'm n3 vig haha

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and we love you for it.

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if i hit an autolose situation like this i'd

definitely: shitpost while i waited to see if town picked up on the autowin

if they did
=> try to go down in a hilarious blaze of glory
=> failing that, concede

if they didn't
=> resume vigour and try to murder them all
=> failing that, concede

as in no i wouldn't concede immediately but there's a certain point in this phase i would concede at. and i'd try to be much funnier about it.

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=> try to go down in a hilarious blaze of glory

this is what I thought you were doing when you were softing to me that you wanted me to RB you, I'm not gonna lie :X

ohhhh in hindsight i can see why that might have been confusing.

when petapan decided to ruin my evil schemes (no hate ilu peta) i figured it was probably better to just out now rather than go for the dramatic reveal.

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so you are saying i have a chance if i shoot umlaut tonight?

yeah, pretty sure scum will win if they shoot umlaut here.

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but ss, don't you also think scum will definitely certainly win if they shoot umlaut tonight? like totally?

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if i'm scum here we've intentionally gone for the yolo n3 win strat so... indeed, heroically doublebussing my team would be... questionable.

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it sincerely doesn't matter atp we're in auto

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like i'd be down to be eliminated as well if i wasn't able to confirm SS

cya

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ok imma just fill in some names instead of going "pick a random player from group B" or whatever. y'all can feel free to change the names around, just make sure everyone is clear on the plan that we are going with.

The Plan

we will execute

Iconeum

today
I will RB

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Datisi will investigate

DrDolittle

Grumpy Cat will neighborize

Green Crayons

the worst will attempt to shoot

Umlaut

. this should fail.

DrDolittle and iamausername may do whatever they would like.

Tomorrow, assuming there is a death, we will execute

Umlaut

. If I'm still alive, I will RB

DrDolittle

.

Then, assuming I am killed (if I was still alive), we execute

Green Crayons

and

iamausername

in either order.

If Datisi or I continue to survive, we keep targeting in the unconfirmed players, until eventually that person gets killed or that person is the only unconfirmed player left. If scum stop killing, then we just continue with the plan anyway, killing unconfirmed players.

just doing a petapan and requoting this for the banter

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thief of fun and proud, my friend

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you conceding mr. dragon?

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don't doublebus in pr heavy opens lmao

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it's ok, we all learn sooner or later. wp, you were solid at the start.