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i agree. Ythan what do you mean by bad job? I think Korina was very earnest and acted like a town role, clearly excited to play his setup to figure out who the scum were, expressing lots of frustration when people were wagoning him. I don't think you would replace out of your role in your setup which clearly he was excited to play as either alignment unless you were town.In post 349, Logicalicaltist wrote:
I thought Korina’s Entrance was very Townie.In post 348, Ythan wrote:Have you considered the possibility that Korina just did a bad job. I don't think anyone is suggesting it's intentional scum wifom.-
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i agree. Ythan what do you mean by bad job? I think Korina was very earnest and acted like a town role, clearly excited to play his setup to figure out who the scum were, expressing lots of frustration when people were wagoning him. I don't think you would replace out of your role in your setup which clearly he was excited to play as either alignment unless you were town.In post 349, Logicalicaltist wrote:
I thought Korina’s Entrance was very Townie.In post 348, Ythan wrote:Have you considered the possibility that Korina just did a bad job. I don't think anyone is suggesting it's intentional scum wifom.-
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i agree with this assessmentIn post 311, spicer1209 wrote:Korina is significant to me mostly because of the way he is acting (ie "fucking lynch me", trying to call the shots and speaking TO the town, all kinds of set up speculation) all seems consistent to me as the actions of someone who is overly excited and has a raging role boner. He gave off the vibe of "if you believe me or follow my lead then you don't deserve to have me in the game" which is something I can relate to because when I was younger I used to do that same shit when I had a power role. I personally don't see scum coming out of the gate with this level of a gambit. Of course you can get into the circular logic of "thats what they want you to think." however in my experience that is hardly ever pulled off, especially with someone who spams the board like he washed down a bag of meth with a Rockstar. For now I'm inclined to believe him
Logic I think is just a cringe machine more so than scum. He comes off to me as someone who is just awkward and awkwardness usually stems from uncertainty. He is always talking in circles it feels like but my gut tells me this is the act of a bad player more than a scummy player.
Battlemage is doing all the things I would do if I were scum. Pile on the easy target who is going to annoy the town into getting themself lynched? Check. Immediately counter commenting on role claiming once the conversation has been started by someone else? Check. Quick and subtle early game spat to distance myself from my other scum buddy in Username? Checkity check. I also rally don't like how his activity fell off of a cliff once he got his second and third votes on him.-
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if you don't think BM is CL (which I definitely disagree with) then this is pretty bad. You should know the whole point of this setup is to find CL because it's usually just autowin, hitting a Cultist doesn't really do much for us because we're just turning 2v7 into 2v6. It looks like you're keeping your options open on Jesus and BM and this doesn't really feel like a townie mindset to compromise on an elim that's not likely to be CL
I'd vote you but I still think BM is more likely to be CL than you and we'll get more push association info on his ME.-
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^ this is a straw man of what we’ve been discussing. The fact is simply that CL is the person to go for. Eliming him ends the game, elim Cult non leader is slightly bad, and eliminating town is really bad. Sure if we were almost certain someone was cultist and exactly cultist we would get them still over the uncertainty of someone else being CL or town if town is more likely-
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In post 392, Jesus Christ wrote:
This is a good point that is stronger than my reason for townreading Battle Mage, they should definitely be the hang todayIn post 346, innocentvillager wrote:i just finished a game with town!Battle Mage and it seems he is playing pretty differently this game, last game he just deathtunneled a townie and made tons of jokes while his posting looks more safe and potential CL-like in this game. ill keep my vote where it is.
so do it
This doesn't make sense, and you're not supposed to speculate about replacements so stop talking about itIn post 350, innocentvillager wrote:
i agree. Ythan what do you mean by bad job? I think Korina was very earnest and acted like a town role, clearly excited to play his setup to figure out who the scum were, expressing lots of frustration when people were wagoning him. I don't think you would replace out of your role in your setup which clearly he was excited to play as either alignment unless you were town.In post 349, Logicalicaltist wrote:
I thought Korina’s Entrance was very Townie.In post 348, Ythan wrote:Have you considered the possibility that Korina just did a bad job. I don't think anyone is suggesting it's intentional scum wifom.it does make sense, and i don't think there's a rule against speculating about replacements, sorry if I'm wrong. I'm aware that the person of interest is not supposed to talk about their replacement in thread, but you are being silly if I can't use the fact that Korina replaced out to explain why he is town-
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Hmm if it is my fault, I won't mention it again. I can see how this would be interpreted as against the rulesIn post 405, Aristophanes wrote:Technically thats "using out of game influences" and I will not take part as it is against site rules.
is this a serious vote? what happened to Battle Mage?Logicalicaltist wrote: VOTE: Username
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i townread this lolIn post 470, Aristophanes wrote:That's okay Spicer! Maybe I'll read pages 10-17 tomorrow to wrap up my understanding of this game.
Maybe I won't.
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okay boss!In post 501, iamausername wrote:t's obviously going to be me or him, everybody choose, let's just get on with it-
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sorry RL has been pretty busy lately
i do like this post though, gives me townvibes
In post 608, spicer1209 wrote:
Maybe. Maybe not. However according to the set up given to us if there is a friendly neighbor then that means there is a scum role cop which would be a valuable thing for town to get out of the game no? What I do know is we can’t keep doing this 5 posts a day bullshit and hoping things magically fall into place for us. The ONLY other thing that makes sense for scum along those lines is the Korina slot is the rolecop and that’s why he was threatening the town power roles not to target him or else he’d get pissed. I would want to explore that option more before the deadline if we couldIn post 607, iamausername wrote:do you think Hiraki is the cult leader? because his obvious desperation to save Psyche yesterday suggests otherwise to me.
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this was the only post I needed from you to confirm you were ICIn post 199, spicer1209 wrote:Late to the party. Who should I vote?-
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In post 714, the worst wrote:innocentvillager is currently aligned with the town
the worst is also currently aligned with the town!-
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oops nvm I get it nowIn post 708, the worst wrote:I had the audacity of replacing town in a fucking cult micro so here's the quarter of an ass I can convince myself to dedicate aorn:
- Titus shouldn't be D1 scum but may be scum now;
- Aristophanes shouldn't be D1 scum but may be scum now;
- the comp on Ythan should hit a wolf (Hiraki rings pure; Jesus sheep was kinda nice and spicy; I think Titus replaces in and votes partially for the effect but it also reads as hard unassociated)
I also like from a cursory flick through ythan's iso agree he's not really townreadable
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I see, I feel like this kind of seems more like a cult!JC and CL!Ythan dynamic rather than a CL!JC and cultist!Ythan, so I'd rather get Ythan today and if he flips CL look to JC as the cultist tmr
I think the only reason CL!JC avoids bussing cultist!Ythan is if their cult failed last night so they're worried about preserving their members-
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lmao yeah Ythan has done absolutely nothing today
i mean not that i have but like... literally nothing... honestly I can't even decide if that's necessarily scum indicative but it's certainly not town indicative. Scum have incentive here to blend in with the game stalling out, normally they have to fake analysis because everyone else is but when town isn't doing anything they don't have to do anything-
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id like to hear more about this because the first place I feel like I look if this flips green is Titus?In post 709, the worst wrote:if Ythan is town sure, murder aristophanes-
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Jesus Christ is this even happening?
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worsty gonna solve the game for us??plsssssIn post 750, the worst wrote:I have a whole fucking bunch of info-
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this is pretty confusing but here's how I understand the situation:
Ari and worsty are obvtown, JC can't be leader, Ari is probably not leader, worsty can't be leader
CL is in {Titus, username, Hiraki}
Hiraki was voting Ari for a while before unvoting and we saw no quickhammer and I don't think Ari is scum? So either:
a) 3 scum
1-Hiraki is scum
2-Ari is CL
3-scum didn't quickhammer for whatever reason (??)
b) cult didn't go through and we're still at the 2 original scum so when the game isn't over worsty can just jail Hiraki again and we win, unless scum tried to cult Hiraki...
Worsty blocked me N1 so I can't be CL and blocked Hiraki N2 so he can't be CL (or if he is we'll probably find out after we flip a townie), so either Ari is CL (if he is I think we're just screwed) or Hiraki is scum or somehow scum
I was kind of tunneled on BM for primarily meta reasons and the replace out but idk anymore, seems too easy almost, but maybe this is a too scummy to be scum fallacy because Psyche did nothing and Titus has been very meh content-wise
I'm leaning username for now mostly since CL has an almost purely survivalistic agenda and being FOS'd all game there is definite scum-motivation to keeping up content like he's been doing, whereas OTOH people just kind of kept wagoning BM/Titus/Psyche but there was never much pushback from them
but I will sheep worsty and Ari and hopefully I can reread more later-
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I get that this is a frustrating thing for both town!you and scum!you to hear? But if you think about it's really not, especially for the CLIn post 899, iamausername wrote:but "you are scum because you've actually been trying in this game" is the worst case anyone has ever made in a game of mafia and you should be ashamed of yourself
BM aside Psyche and Titus have basically never been here despite getting wagoned like every single day? LHF is what I what call for lack of a better term it especially with them not being around, and I generally really hate these wagons especially when they're trying to take out a role that *specifically* needs to avoid being in this exact spot
If this were a normal scum game I'd agree with you more but when one scum is way more important than the other scum roles... yeah
Admittedly it's not like a hard read or anything, but it seems like worsty and Ari are also kind of on the same page with me here so that is coloring my opinion on this LOL-
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so your current narrative is
Ari-CL
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Titus-culted N2
i do agree with you on the hammer thing and that still makes your slot rather damning to me because I'm TRing Ari? but I also see how from town!you's perspective Ari is kind of mechanically confirmed to be CL, or somehow the cult failed last night and there are only 2 cult (which would mean cult tried to cult you N2 because TW jailed you)-
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anyway I'm back to the I want worsty to decide angle? Hiraki remember in Crossfire where we let Casey decide the dunks? I might be biased because it worked LOL and we all just supported Casey from the side with our own analyses and she picked the dunks, but there's the whole scum influence thing again given that we might be in ELO mode
Yeah it's not really the same thing because we have a bit more time and we don't have to dunk like 4 people (just 1), and our situation is much less dire because if we do hit CL today there's a significant chance of win, but I do think having an obvtown clear like Casey (worsty) lead the elim is going to be the highest EV play here-
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