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Apologies, I will stay in ,my place cthuluist.In post 24, Cthylla wrote:S̫̞̫͢T̟͝A̕Y̛̖ ͙̳̭̰̫I͔̬Ń͓̤̜͕ Y̳̣ͅO̼̣͝U͠R͉̺̖͉͇̼ ̝̠͍̣͝P̢͉͚͇̤ͅL̥̙̜͓A̖̲̥̗C̡̪̙E͍͈.̸̞͙̠͈ ̞̼͟M͏̗̭̯͚͖O̤̠̣͢R͍̰͈̯͓̻̩T̮̲͍ĄL͙ͅS̲̟̘̣͙̮͞.̱̤̗̤ ͎̟̼T͖̞̝̮̯͔̱Ḩ̟͖̞̘̜E̡̫̮̺̙͇ H̜̝̯̝̝͍͝I̧͕V̰̘̠̻̺E͓̳̟͙ ̘ͅM͏̘͍͚̻̻I̼̩N̤̰̞͎̺̦̬D͈̘͚̜̼͠ ̝O͓̲͢F͈̮̹̲ ̦̣͇̣͇C̵̩͈̗̲̹̩͎H҉̗͎̮̲̫̺ͅA̤̰͙̱̫̻̮O̸̺͎̖S ͝W̭̰̣͍̗̠͚I̪̼̹̮͔͍̜L̝̯̱̩̼L̫͕̤̳̣ͅ E̶Ṋ̴̖̹̬C͖OM̘̟͠P̷̳A̦̠̤̝̜̭͞S҉̦̞̤S̸̜̙̻̯ ̺̗͓̀À̦̩L̲̟̯̬̯̳͉L̲͜ ͚̗̩̰͇A͍̠̗ND̜͓̹̦̣͇̀ H͍̼̖̪̖Ę ̡W̦Í͉̱̥̣͚̯L̮̱̣͎L̸ A̦̙̙W̭̳͇̲̙͕A̷K͕̮̮͖͠E͈̘͇̬N͚̻͙̪͢ Ó͔͓͉Ǹ̪͍̞̟̞͙͔C̘̻E ̧̦͔̞̯̖̱̯M͓̻̬͉̩̪̲O̫͢ͅR̸̼̞̹̠É̖͉̻.̢͙̰͙̺͔-
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I see.
Bully noewee is terrible
Why bully in life.
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That is good to know.In post 141, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
I have. In another forum.In post 133, word321 wrote:Has anyone played on this setup before?
Are there any strategies regarding this? As mafia and as town
I played as scum in a 5 man team. D1 we bussed 1 scum, and then consequently heavened 2 people. We needed 1 moe but after that we got screwed by associations. It’s a hard setup for scum so i’m assuming they will try to muddy associations. Town should just play like town, not much difference there.
Even though I have not played this setup at all.
I did some reading of the setup and I am thinking during heaven phase we should be careful with e-1 since scum will have incentive to self-hammer.
Also pressure votes too.
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Yeah, that is a good point.
It serves both win conditions.
Something to consider for heaven phase,
Do we send a more town read person or do we send a less town read person?
Actually this answer could be affected on flip of H1 so yeah.
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Would you attempt during the first heaven phase to send a mostly town person or a lesser town read person?
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I am curious Isis, how much of a main thread do you follow in a game once you are eliminated?In post 149, Isis wrote:In post 147, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Some stronger town players intentionally stayed behind in that game, refusing to be heavened because they wanted to be in the game thread and solve. That’s a good town strategy right there.That's stupid, heavened players get to solve in judgment day. That's backerds-
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Yes, for sure, once I am elimed I tend to stray to other games.
I do like to read but engagement for me is helped by having an active role and being forced to participate.
Actually so far in terms of reads I tr you and norwee.
So VOTE: unvote
But other reads will have to wait on a reread when I wake up.
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Town
Isis seem towny I may have been pocketed by cat pics and need to reeval this slot later.
Clidd pointed out word's entrance seems pretty towny
Neutral
Norwee seems townish to me pedit geiger counter lol
Dannflor has paranoia over my slot which seems towny, but nothing else stands out to me yet.
Hayasaka also a slight tl on but it is weak so far.
Cthylla Not sure about ctulu creature alt yet.
Green crayons argued with clidd . also changed his answer on my question. Not sure what to make of just yet.
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In post 191, Green Crayons wrote:
I'd rather send to heaven a strong town player who has told us their final reads, and WHO WON'T keep up, and then will do a reread if we get to judgment day.In post 153, WaltertheDunce10 wrote:I am curious Isis, how much of a main thread do you follow in a game once you are eliminated?
I think reading a mature game (like, actually reading the thing) without many preconceptions is probably the strongest town weapon. It's why town replacements into a game can be killer if done by a strong player.In post 193, Green Crayons wrote:
mmmm, slight revision. I think I would be happy to send a strong town player to heaven once we get at least 1 scum in hell. not send a strong town player to heaven before then.In post 191, Green Crayons wrote:
I'd rather send to heaven a strong town player who has told us their final reads, and WHO WON'T keep up, and then will do a reread if we get to judgment day.In post 153, WaltertheDunce10 wrote:I am curious Isis, how much of a main thread do you follow in a game once you are eliminated?
I think reading a mature game (like, actually reading the thing) without many preconceptions is probably the strongest town weapon. It's why town replacements into a game can be killer if done by a strong player.
One says heaven a strong player then your revision says to not send a strong player at first until scum is caught.
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I am the type of scum to need guidanceIn post 316, word321 wrote:
What do u mean with this? How do u play as scum?In post 314, WaltertheDunce10 wrote:Someone nailed how I play scum
and I struggle to fabricate reads as a scum player.
The reason I noted it was because you got my playstyle correct as scum.
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I don't like this post as seems lamist or a pocket by work on haya.In post 364, word321 wrote:
hey heyIn post 360, Hayasaka wrote:I am not arguing we should be killing town but it's more I think we should put a stronger focus on town hunting right now?
My nomination for the first town is Dannflor.
I townlean Dannflor too and all that
But from the few amount of posts he has given,and considering he is on VLA, we wont rly get that much info there on short notice, and im not confident enought to make the call like ~now~
Plus the call on whether Dannflor is first town won't matter until heaven phase anyways.
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In post 453, clidd wrote:Actually, I don't think I want to vote GC or Walter (I need to take a better look at them).
I'm between Norwegian and Isis.In post 455, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Gun to my head, i think i’d feel safest heavening one of Clidd/Isis because they are still my TR’s.
Would like more time before i decide anything though.
Agreed on GC.In post 457, Hayasaka wrote:I think the wagon has 2-3 scum on it and off wagon has 0-1 scum.
Mainly due to the pace in which we achieved that lynch, I just highly doubt that as a town we were able to mislynch that fast while I am the only town off wagon. That would raise the question of, is both GC and Walter scum together and happened to be off wagon? And I think the very simple answer to that question is no.
Issue is all 3 scum likely aren't on the wagon together which would mean voting off the wagon not considering my self would be a 50/50 which is actually worse odds then just voting on wagon.
I am between Isis/clidd with more of a preference for Isis.
With Norwee that we should take our time.
Haya is saying exactly what I am thinking.
Which means scum prob had to have had two people on wagon unless both haya and gc are scum.
Which is unlikely to me.
I would also be good with sending haya.
People who I dont want to send at all this phase
Green Cranyon and Cythlla
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Agreed with green cranyon on the cthylla posts.
I also think the speed this wagon is moving indicates gc is town.
need to see more from Dannflor before voting.
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GC, I am not exactly saying full steam ahead on your slot.
It had crossed my mind though that Clidd is pushing for you as a scum buddy / get rid of if he was scum.-
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I should explain that my theory sorta relies on haya being town.
My point is that if one scum stayed off wagon that is prob gc or haya but they may have superbussed and I don't know
Although a scum flip would put us at 5 2 instead of 4 3
Eh fuck the numbers game
I also feel that scum may want to push clidd out thread if he is town.
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Scum may want to eliminate a strong presence from scumhunting and remove a strong and loud town voice.In post 793, Dannflor wrote:
Can you expand on this thought? Or why you feel this way about Clidd?In post 773, WaltertheDunce10 wrote:I also feel that scum may want to push clidd out thread if he is town.
Although, having clidd in the other thread may not be in scum interests.
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I will try to be on more for next phase.In post 905, Hayasaka wrote:My thing that balances out Isis tone is that she has a singular post after I vote Walter day start that says she is fine doing it. When voting walter was the stupidest thing I've done all game. I know I also fucked this up but something something deluxe oil :^)
I think Walter is shifting in and outside of this thread in a way akin to scum. He proceeds to hold me as a top town read but votes in Isis instead which feels like an awful idea to me. Maybe from the perspective of Isis where she knows she is town that would be a better look. But even when I imagine Isis as town it's just a vote on a townie that will never amount to anything. It's incredibly weird actually and he should die next.
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Norwee, you are hard to read.
I cannot get like any sure fire reads out of you other than clidd isis and word when I look through your iso.
Also H1
seems to be quite odd looking back .
First he votes for word after cyth then and asks cth for a read on word then he unvotes after calling word scummy.
Says they think words push is scummy and revotes for word.
I wonder if scum Norwwee woul dod what he stated in 454. but instead voted.
It is more of a weak scumread for me.
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It has, you seem to be a tl towards town.In post 986, Dannflor wrote:
Hey walter, has your read on my slot progressed since here?In post 241, WaltertheDunce10 wrote:Dannflor has paranoia over my slot which seems towny, but nothing else stands out to me yet.-
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In post 694, Dannflor wrote:Actually, I don't really understand why I'm seemingly high on everyone's town listIn post 696, Dannflor wrote:I'm skimming so I may have missed some of the reasoning why, but I'm unsure how I got above Hayasaka here while having made 0 posts in between.
In post 705, Dannflor wrote:Isis/Hayasaka are still my top two town reads after finishing reading D1
I lean towards heavening Isis. I am closer to 100% confidence on Hayasaka than I am on Isis so heavening Isis is slightly better fmpov. I'm also more suspicious of slots that are like "I don't really wanna go to heaven but I guess I will ladada" than Isis who is just like "yeah I wanna go to heaven."
clidd seems vaguely towny maybe? I need to read more of D2 but I think it's better for judgement day if we're sending townies we think want to go and solve from heaven.In post 722, Dannflor wrote:
btw yes walls can be a good scum tactic in that a lot of people like to look at walls and lazily assign them as town because *effort* = town or somethingIn post 716, Green Crayons wrote:As for Isis, I think walls upon walls is a good scum tactic but recognize that posting style isn't a sure-fire scum tell.
but I think timing and motivation count a lot here
specifically Isis coming back in after she had already been posting a lot and the thread had died down early D1 to do a catch up post on things she hadn't responded to leans towny timing and motivation to me. It wasn't an organized reads list or like "hey everyone here is everything I've learned now, I am town and have good make sense progression," it just seemed to be Isis having more thoughts about the game and wanting to get them out thereIn post 763, Dannflor wrote:
I don't necessarily think heavening scum at this point is the end of the worldIn post 760, Green Crayons wrote:the surface level slight doesn't have legs. I think you're scum. I think scum would WIFOM a teammate into their heaven pool. Because I can't figure out who that'd be between clidd and Dann, the safe play is to not have either of them go to heaven. There are other good heaven candidates.
I think the last run of this setup started with a D1 town hell and a D2 scum heaven and town ended up winning
But it needs to be a slot that probably isn't getting helled otherwise
This is why I favor Isis but maybe more people scum read her than I realize?In post 812, Dannflor wrote:I keep thinking Isis might be scum but I think I am never going to make up my mind completely so I should just trust that my original gut on her was correct and that if I'm wrong heavening her is probably better than leaving her to win the game by sending me cat picturesIn post 873, Dannflor wrote:
yeahIn post 870, Isis wrote:That doesn't make any sense, there would be people to sheep in the game thread.
like
there is putting yourself into roles that are optimal for you
and then there is risking heavening scum, which is akin to helling town
I think town!you knows that the latter is an overbearing consideration but scum!you likes having a colorable argument that lets you lamist around a bit
putting infallible in quotes wasn't meant to suggest your own strength you're extolling is read accuracy, it's to point out that all of it is so uncertain it's just really bad
I think you are right and I am wrong
I was putting too much weight on judgement day needing to have super solver pants mc solver there because I compare the heaven thread to the dead thread in Vengeful Ghosts and the judgements that happened in that thread required triple digit pages
but I don't think anyone here was in that game so that means nothing to anyone
anyway I was wrongIn post 876, Dannflor wrote:
this post has stuck in my brain for a long time but I decided it's probably not SvSIn post 737, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I just thought of something, what if Cthylla and GC is scum theatre.
After all, this game mode is all about anti-associations between scum.
at least, I don't see it making sense unless a consensus town read like Hayasaka or clidd is scum, which I find unlikelyIn post 947, Dannflor wrote:
I mean you literally said norwegian's "good town strategy" of not wanting good town players to go to heaven was backwards? I interpreted that to mean that strong town players should go to heaven.In post 944, Isis wrote:This isn't hard.
Instead you actually just meant that solving occurs both in thread and heaven and the strength of players shouldn't be a factor? sorry if I seem obtuse I think my brain is just stuck on this or somethingIn post 967, Dannflor wrote:I keep throwing Norwee/Walter together in all my solves and that feels lazy but I am having a hard time imagining that two out of GC/Isis/Cthylla are mafia
These were some of the quotes that stuck out to me while looking at Dann's iso
There seems to be self recognization and willingness to change an opinion on someone that seems natural.
Dann also questions why he is such a high town read on cth lists.
He also thinks about noerwee posts as maybe not being s vs which I agree with.
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K, that is interesting this feeling of nostalgia,In post 1038, clidd wrote:Hectic used some mental triggers of connection with me when he approached our past experiences in common, which also gave me a nostalgia. He probably knows how I think and knows how to intentionally produce town signs or impressions that I would capture, but I don't see what he would gain from mentioning it. For a moment, if I closed my eyes and stopped considering what I was considering, some of the things he said make sense, but then I would have to go into his pov to see that (which would be ignoring the impressions/personal interpretations that I had). I would say that due to the strange mixture of sensations he is a townlean at the moment.
Do you think it was on purpose to gain your tr or just coincidental?
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I agree with this.In post 1048, clidd wrote:And I'm not soo sure about Norwegian anymore, so he's going to null (which means that I need to see something towny).-
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Town
Clidd
Isis
Neutral
Dannflor have a slight tr on rn
GC feel slightly better about GC just don't see scum Gc continuing to push clidd as scum. There is one totally wifom idea but don't think it is likely..
Scum
Norwee I have a slight scum read on. I have this weird gut feeling that he may have put some ideas from scum thread to deflect /create wifom.
Sorta explained in my post on norwee.
Cthylla
I am not a particualar fan of h1 play first the word part where he says no lolhammers then later on does it to word.
Although after that cth posts do seem more towny as a general feel after the word flip so IDK I will have to think on this one and whether it is scum or not.
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not sure where you are coming from on that Dann.In post 1089, Dannflor wrote:Looking at walter's completed games doesn't really change my mind on his slot
he seems much more proactive than this as town. He seems like he's waiting for something and I don't really understand why he's not pushing anywhere given he's like the defacto choice to hell today. He's shaded Cthulua and says GC vs. Cthulu isn't SvT. He's also shaded norwee, but there's no attempt to actually pressure these slots or sort them. Which he seems to be capable as a town player even if he's new.
I am saying it us a svt .
Please point to where I have shaded someone.
I was saying I had suspicions of Norwee.
What is this waiting for,
There went my tr and now I suspect the team
when you do send me to be cth Dann plus one.
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You know what , you just are not seeing it are you?In post 1104, clidd wrote:I don't think we're going anywhere with Walter, he's not going to expand his pov.-
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Clidd, what are the teams if I/Norwee flip green?In post 1125, clidd wrote:You/Walter/empty slot is my solve.
I'm sorting between Cth and Dann if you're town on above ^-
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Part poe part the fact that I don't think you guys are both scum together.
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Norwee earlier on also had 737. He has also proposed it being svs also.In post 1149, Cthylla wrote:In post 971, NorwegianboyEE wrote:It’s hard for me to make sense of the events on this day with the current info given. Ironically i almost would have preferred a scum in heaven today because then i’d know what to look for. Now it’s 3v4 and i’m kinda clueless with how everyone seemed ok with voting anyone. I’m thinking the GC/Hectic 1v1 is the most likely TvS conflict here so i’d rather vote in here than just Walter. Walter could be scum with anyone imo, so if they maf i’m still unsure where to look.In post 973, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Hectic what do i get if i vote GC over u today?I don't like this positioning from Norwee either. I'd like to hear reasoning on the conflict being TvS. If it is TvT, this stance is a very useful one for demons to make.-
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This seems odd that you are willing to consider it svs.In post 740, Cthylla wrote:In post 737, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I just thought of something, what if Cthylla and GC is scum theatre.
After all, this game mode is all about anti-associations between scum.Hmm, I haven't ruled it out yet. I did find it a little sus that Green Crayons didn't complain about my green font after I started using it after his initial complaints about Isis's.
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In post 1166, Cthylla wrote:Hmm, that response was townier than I was hoping it to be. Can't you be a bit more fiendish?
This is answered in 773In post 1168, Cthylla wrote:In post 1165, WaltertheDunce10 wrote:I should also point out that at the time you were both my top scum reads so that is why I was willing to consider it.Haaaang on, if we were your top scumreads, why were you considering a Green Crayons heaven in 745?
Although a different idea, that of the scum bussing on word.
Haya was clear town for me but GC I was scum reading and I wanted to figure out how many scum was on word.
And whether it was two or three scum.
K that is a copy and paste pretty much.
It is not a very good reason to send someone to check some theory of mine about how many scum bussed when it does not tell a person who it is, particularly with a slot like GC.-
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Do additional orbs fall down?In post 1253, Isis wrote:Spoiler:
I need to make this pattern quickly to outscore 97% of players
can you like, pretend you're looking at clouds and seeing shapes
And figure out a shape for me to think of this as
so I can make it faster?
It is the optimal match3 board for 15 black orbs and 15 white orbs.
it matches every single orb, but it does so in so many chain steps that the above orbs that fall in are more likely to link with eachother because they jiggle around during each step
If not the your best option is an a horizontal match.
Not sure which one yet.