Open 785: Secrets of the Anuket Topaz [Game over!]
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yes, delightful truly as i shirk my duties to this boat for the next few days within my own cabin. i would hope there’s no olives on that pizza.In post 77, Eevee wrote:well everyone's currently voting to brutally murder people in cold blood so you may want to readjust your expectations
would you like to join Eva and i for the midnight buffet?
Eva's currently trying to microwave some pizza in our cabin but she hasn't realised yet that i switched it out for a safe
~Eve
when the sea rocks me awake to an awful hangover i’ll pick back up on my tasks.
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alas, locked up in my cabin with this bottle leaves me with little time for my fellow crewmen. also, my connection is spotty.
in a game like this, i think that a scum player would be more emboldened to be jokey and outwardly ~~ scummy. so long as their team is good and they don’t get back to back eliminated, i don’t think it’s impossible for a scum player to be silly and lighthearted and jester about, banking on the fact that it’ll be dismissed as someone being fun and generally NAI.
after all, if people are inclined to dismiss it and two days go by and things wrap around to where the town as a collective is going, “huh, what if all this stuff was just a bold scum player after all?”, it doesn’t matter if they’re already out on their merry way escaping.
dunno. i think that playing it up so much thus far has done anything but set off alarm bells within my head. a setup like this imo rewards wifomy play moreso than others by virtue of scum having the escape mechanic where so long as they can survive enough through some chaos they’re good.
VOTE: Craig Pelton
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@RCEnigma: what exactly struck you to follow down that line of setup speculation? it seems fairly... illogical, i guess, fmpov to think that an endgame like that could occur with mafia killing mafia while the other escapes.-
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hello i have finally decided to try and dig my claws into this game but it has in fact meant the claws ended up in my brain. it's late here but i'll be here before work tomorrow.
@rc: can you walk me through your read on eevee. there seems to be a Moment (238/239) where you're speculating that they're scum/on a specific team and then throw them into a no-elimination pile in 262. what caused that turnaround?
@eevee: is meta the sole reason that snowblaze gets a little scum ping for having reads so early on? (145) you liked when umlaut provided a reads list that had little to substantiate it. (101) so i guess i don't see how the situations distinguish themselves from one another save for the meta...?
@fredrick: what reasons do you think i would have for not posting here as much? (303)
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honestly, hearing that makes it seem like there's not a whole lot of reason behind it.In post 333, Fredrick A Campbell wrote:
I am not going to give you the reasons I thought up so that you can use them. Give us your reasons.In post 331, Ydrasse wrote:...
@fredrick: what reasons do you think i would have for not posting here as much? (303)
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i wasn't active here because it's my first non-newbie game and i find it daunting to tackle a new setup and concepts. it's way easier for me to offer content to games that i have been active in before i went v/la and that i am comfortable with the setups for. there's less i feel i have to go through and think about in those than here where save for a brief in the moment thoughts i haven't been able to get too deeply into reading through until last night when i was up to the task.-
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that’s fair!
honestly i don’t blame you because i feel the inactive slots might have scum who don’t know how to integrate into the town; given that the wagons so far are all fragmented, it wouldn’t surprise me if it’s mainly town players voting and reaching for smaller scummy things to push upon with lack of actual content from the absent and theoretically scum spots.-
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honestly, my vote's been here for lack of a better place to put it atm. i'm more at ease with menalque as of the past few pages and i agree with the sentiment to like, start consolidating a wagon in order to breathe some sort of life into this game. i honestly don't feel one way or another about the holden wagon.
like i was thinking the same thing: lot of people just died off after a spurt of activity at the start and being in this game feels like a purgatory where we can't get everything done. skimming through his iso, though, i'm not like... really sold by the idea that he vanished because he was happy to coast for now? dunno, he left on a dramatic note implying there were some greater reasons to keep his vote on the slot which would have been nice to know now but, /shrug.
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i trust whatever fredrick is doing right now with his voting methods. they're all over the place but it inspires joy.
menalque's efforts to provide cpr to this sluggish game also inspire joy.
i don't like either of the main wagons right now. rce kind of feels like the inevitable "yeah we can all throw our votes here for the sake of a wagon" vote without anyone like... thinking too hard about it. also it feels at odds with the idea that there's a lot of lurking scum which has been tossed around quite a bit. i get not wanting to vote on slots that don't have a lot of content/none at all but meh. i feel that the votes on holden have the potential to be people trying to follow up with this idea of coasting/inactive/etc etc scum while trying to get rid of a fairly towny voice under this premise? idk.
VOTE: raya36
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In post 509, Menalque wrote:Ydrasse r u trying to pocket me by just asking the exact same questions as me?Spoiler:-
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exploiting my fears, how cruel. don't you have a play to put on, eevees? eevi?
regardless. i don't know why you're doubling down on your vote based off of the intentions of one like... set of posts. i had similar qualms about the logic of rce posting about that sort of thing as it felt like a barebones "look at me, i am helpful for town look what i have considered!" and that the logic wasn't a path i'd go down. this just feels like stubbornness over one set of posts, though; you have other reasons that you've sr'd rce so why make this one the hill to die upon?
VOTE: snowblaze
baaaaa. yeah, posting reads as snowblaze is doing doesn't seem to be doing much to propel forward the gamestate and is the low-energy sort of "look at me i am here and helping" i think makes sense for this setup. lotta questions spread out to different places in an effort to integrate.-
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snowblaze: if you're town, who do you think the scum on your wagon are right now? in the absence of scumreads as of 415, does anyone now stand out to you in particular?
i know you said you don't wanna feel bad about this wagon/game in general and i get it, but it feels like you're accepting it without offering much of anything where i feel this would be the place where you'd be like... most informed/able to offer scumreads.-
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VOTE: mohab500
yeah, sure. the lack of promised content and general... confusion as a whole about things i could see coming from scum. my brain likes to not trust dumbtells anyways. i like that snowblaze offered perspective and if i offered her the chance to talk her way out of the elimination, oops. is refreshing to see that sort of analysis from the slot.
this vote feels a lot less like a “because we need to have a wagon” vote than others fmpov, too. even if it’s something pretty quickly arranged in the last day or so.-
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i'm not convinced right now that snow is the better vote tbh? like, she gets flack for having these sort of wishywashy reads that aren't a particularly strong stance, and then under pressure she... keeps giving wishywashy reads? like, fmpov 617 is just throwing out names of "yeah, i tr this and that" and then when she goes down the few people that she doesn't throw out a townread on... she gets four nulls/sorta town/towny? at best she gets "pings in both directions" in 618.
i mean like, unless snowblaze is just being that blatant i don't see a world where a scum player gets that much pressure on them and goes "yep, self preserving. don't mind me, voting again for self preservation" with like... no true push on anyone or anything? no scumreads to come of it? like, i'd imagine there'd be at least something there for her to go after in an effort to appear revitalized towards the game, but... no, there's nothing there.
i'm happy to vote her tomorrow but right now with the lack of nothing at all from mohab i feel better having my vote here.-
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fmpov it's like... continuing to offer non-commital reads is a very overtly scummy thing to do? you're refusing to take a stance and if snowblaze were scum i'd imagine she'd try to scrounge up something of a solidified scumread on something. despite not being able to start a new wagon — which i think a snowblaze of either alignment recognizes would not pan out — i guess i just see it as a place where it would be of more benefit to vaguely scumread someone instead of saying "this person is towny, i lean towny on this person" over and over and push herself into a place where she votesIn post 718, Menalque wrote:@ydrasse I just don’t really get why those things make her not scummy. Like if pressure leads to content production but it’s a struggle for scum!snow to come up with realistic scumreads, why would that not manifest as coming up with more detailed but still very non-commital reads?
Also, the self-preserving thing is super null in a situation like this. If I’m town then I’m gonna vote for self-pres even if I think the three person is town because, hey, I might be wrong about them but I know what my role PM is. If I’m scum I’m gonna vote them cause I don’t wanna die. And do you really think snow has enough traction in this game to lead a wagon on anyone new here? Besides which, she doesn’t even have a scumresd to lead said wagon ononlyout of self preservation.
i recognize that self-preservation is relatively NAI, but it's the fact that she hasn't come up with that scumread yet that makes me townread her more than mohab whose content is well. yeah.
given that we're getting a replacement though for mohab, hopefully it'll be easier to parse that slot. right now though i'm mohab > snow tho.-
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yeah... at this point i feel that i don't really have a lot i can say. i think that snowblaze isn't as likely to flip scum as maemuki. my vote's staying, blah blah. i just want this day to be over honestly so we can keep moving forward with some new information.
though i wasn't around when there were some votes on me a while ago, i don't understand why there were a few posts going hard to bat for me when i wasn't around.-
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reading through almost50's iso:
i think that if all three scum were on snowblaze, rcenigma/almost50 would make sense? throughout his iso, almost50 makes it clear that he Really Wants To Vote The Mohabslot (659, 794, 811 though it's the mildest imo of these three instances) but never does. 821, too, wherein almost asks someone to consider scum!mohab but... never like, makes any meaningful efforts to push anything there?
that, and almost actively tried to dismantle the scumreads/points against rcenigma and commited to a hard tr on rc. 513, 514, 542, 545, 559, 566, 569, to name a few. a lot of his iso is spent in an effort of defending his tr who admittedly doesn't look too good now, having been a vote on someone who is now confirmed town.
just seems... performative, in the way they avoid voting mohab and instead vote snow every single time it's brought into question what he should think/do. so yeah.
VOTE: almost50
will read through the other non-confirmed people right now but i started here and i don't see a reason not to put my vote here atm.-
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hi, sorry, you'll get more for me tomorrow. :< but i'm content with where my vote is right now. a50 feels defeated and opting to assume everyone will twist his words the right way just seems like a way to pre-emptively disarm any criticism that comes his way. in general i sort of think that the unconfirmed players going "oh, i can't do anything/it's up to the townies" (of which a50 has only said the former) is an easy way to lay low and not say anything that beckons scrutiny. /shrug
that being said, i'll bite @a50: regarding your questions in 1020, it could've been more beneficial to your partner to confirm him, could've been meant to sow doubt on the snow wagon, etc etc. given that it's a team game i don't think the confirmations focus on the scope of your gameplay alone?
also i'm gonna be real maybe it's because i'm tired but looking at the talk about what your ~best plan is just feels like a bunch of words i'm supposed to look at and take at face value that you'd do as scum which i'm not doing right now. you can say what you think is the best plan and then just... not do it, lmao.-
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honestly i am too tired to think Too Hard about this right now but a50's posts made me feel like i was reading snowblaze's d1 posts when all the pressure was on her just with... less oomph to my heart.
looking through it briefly i don't find montosh's catchup/reread upon joining really impressive wrt mohab/mae. a lot of saying that mohab/mae doesn't look great, etc, that could be leaving room to vote/push there if need be. however, i can see a pretty natural progression on snowblaze from it? goes from agreeing with some things such as reads, etc, to scumreading and settling the vote there. it doesn't really seem forced despite also thinking mae wasn't great throughout and i think i'd be least likely to want to place my vote here today from the options of the snowblaze wagon. :>
721 729 779 782 for the catchup.
other than that, i like montosh's posts from today i think. entirely Unbothered by the fact that they're in a bad place (voting snowblaze d1) and not even acknowledging it makes me a tiny bit ?? but i think that's more because i expect anyone, regardless of alignment, to go "oops lol" to some degree. not a big deal though that's just me being a weirdo, wearing my stupid hat.-
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...i don't follow how you're analyzing my votes. my vote on homura/a50 was an rvs vote from the beginning of the game, and the time that we shared a wagon i did not join the wagon when he was on it. a50's vote on snowblaze came after mine, and then i moved it to mohab/mae.In post 1153, Titus wrote:
Melanque is not scum. That becomes clear at EoD. The wagon in 1.7 has three people voting Melanque. A50 slot Montosh slot and Ydrasse. None of those are conftown. So yeah a yuck wagon.In post 1146, Montosh wrote:
Why? I know you said in a previous post that:In post 1107, Titus wrote:My VCA says no on Menalque A50.
What didn't you like? Or does Menalque just not fit into a scum grouping?In post 1090, Titus wrote:basically in 1.7 the wagon on Menalque is yucky.
Ydrasse is particularly telling, and possibly a better vote. He moves from voting Homura to joining a wagon with him. The other option was Mohab, who is the dead scum.
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id-rass, though i will also accept ee-drass. (phonetic spelling eludes me.)In post 1156, Almost50 wrote:
VOTE: ydrasseIn post 1153, Titus wrote:A50, want to vote Ydrasse with me?
As a side not (that is totally UNrelated): @Ydrasse: How do you pronounce that name of yours?-
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fmpov, a50, it feels kind of like the entire... demotivation is an act? you get your pep back in your step briefly when someone offers you support/an alternative to the pressure on you and then fall back into being like "well, i can't do anything" mentality again until another option perks up.-
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@a50: i can see you’re getting frustrated by people wanting to see more from you, and i think the issue isn’t that you’re not making an effort in general, it’s moreso (for me) that the efforts you’re actively making aren’t ones that are meaningful towards finding scum. you’re on the defensive for obvious reasons but the bulk of your d2 has been focused on self-defense and the two votes you’ve placed haven’t come with a lot of reasoning? (unless i’m missing something on mobile and if that’s the case i’m the clown).
so, that being said:
- why did you change your vote from mena to me?
- can you give like, idk. even just a general quick rundown of the other nonconfirmed players so we can see where your head is at a bit more clearly beyond the defensive?-
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titus please explain ur vca on me again.In post 1157, Ydrasse wrote:
...i don't follow how you're analyzing my votes. my vote on homura/a50 was an rvs vote from the beginning of the game, and the time that we shared a wagon i did not join the wagon when he was on it. a50's vote on snowblaze came after mine, and then i moved it to mohab/mae.In post 1153, Titus wrote:
Melanque is not scum. That becomes clear at EoD. The wagon in 1.7 has three people voting Melanque. A50 slot Montosh slot and Ydrasse. None of those are conftown. So yeah a yuck wagon.In post 1146, Montosh wrote:
Why? I know you said in a previous post that:In post 1107, Titus wrote:My VCA says no on Menalque A50.
What didn't you like? Or does Menalque just not fit into a scum grouping?In post 1090, Titus wrote:basically in 1.7 the wagon on Menalque is yucky.
Ydrasse is particularly telling, and possibly a better vote. He moves from voting Homura to joining a wagon with him. The other option was Mohab, who is the dead scum.
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i think it would be dumb not to engage you honestly. my reads are not infalliable and i'd rather talk out stuff and see where your head is at regarding the gamestate if i am wrong. you're still my preferred elimination today regardless.In post 1197, Almost50 wrote:
Ok, let me restate my stance for one last time: I -personally- believe the elimination pool should be between you, me and Menalque. Now let's disregard my "TMI" of my slot's alignment for a minute. ANYIn post 1180, Ydrasse wrote:- why did you change your vote from mena to me?
- can you give like, idk. even just a general quick rundown of the other nonconfirmed players so we can see where your head is at a bit more clearly beyond the defensive?spectatorof the game would put me and Menalque as the only two options today. BUT, Titus says Menalque is Town and it's you & me (and regardless of your alignment you know that ism't the case, so -at least- we can agree on that). So, me/Menalque from my own PoV (as a spectator with no spoilers) or you (based on Titus VCA, which I ignored the last game and managed to lose her that game)
As for the rest: RCE is TOWN. Raya is 95% Town. Montosh & S_S have a few things going in their favour and other things that could point to them being scum. In other words, neither of them is outside their scumrange, but neither is actually scummy enough.
Out in another format:
TOWN
RCE
Raya
Montosh/S_S
Ydrasse
Menalque
SCUM
(and I've taken the liberty of removing my own name because this is MY read list, so I should factor in my own knowledge, but feel free to replace me with you from your PoV)
The thing is we only need ONE MORE SCUM ELIMINATION to win. So, I have 3 options:
1- Eliminate in you/Menalque and actually hit scum = Game Over! I don't need to look for the third scum
2- Eliminate in you/Menalque and they flip green = I'd still want to eliminate the other of you two
3- Eat rope myself = I am no longer in the game and I do not need to find scum anymore
Now assuming both you and Menalque are town I guess I eat rope next in the second scenario, so I won't have the time to find out who's scum because the game would be over.
I cannot reconsider my reads without another flip now. All we're going to do is run in circles, pointing fingers at each other, and end up where we started.
I will admit this though: Your approach towards me and being willing to engage me didn't strike me as something scum would do at this point, but then I looked back and remembered you are already voting me, so it felt a bit odd.
like, there's just this certain thing reading through your iso that gets to me and it's the attempts to reinforce that you are a Town Player, Too that stick out to me to the point that it feels unnatural. 1097 and 1104 namely stuck out to me upon reading them; i guess it's a tonal thing moreso than content but it feels like a concerted effort on your part to speak in a way that implicitly conveys your ~towniness.
and, that being said, i find your most recent post to contrast your reads? 1197 you convey fmpov a certain amount of confidence in your reads? there's something to be said for the strength of your townreads and you don't seem to waver in them/the progression you'd eliminate through despite saying in 1266 you were having trouble finding any scum confidently.
(also wrt 1266, while i appreciate saying 'yeah we should read through d1 to scumhunt' here it feels like an effort to deflect from your play d2 which is to me, at least, as i've said so many times now i feel self-defensive without much progression in the way of scumhunting save for agreeing with the TownBloc and throwing votes those ways/structuring your reads around it, if that makes sense lmao)
in general i feel that i haven't seen a lot of progression from you as a whole this game? at best fmpov i suppose the "i could vote mohab or i could vote snow" post in 794 suggests some amount of consideration, as the bottom of this post could, but in the end it feels like it mirrors the same opinions that you've put out the entirety of this game.
honestly at this point it's one of you or menalque fmpov. i feel that the latter's push on snow throughout a majority of d1 and defence of things like mohab's ~~townslips is just too... overt? like, i had a theory that he was just straight-up scumclaiming at the very beginning of the game but like, unless i am in fact the fool i feel that he's banking on everyone dismissing how upfront a lot of his play was (wouldn't lead snow wagon, wouldn't defend mohab, etc etc) it feels more likely that the sort of wishy-washy defence of voting either snow/mohab from you is scum. also, i tr the immediate defensiveness/awareness of how bad he looks because... yeah. i think it's dumb to hope no one is gonna bring it up honestly/not be thinking about it. lmao. in the position of a town!mena who led on snow for a lot of d1 i too would be like, "yeah uhhhh i messed up here" without having someone shimmy their way into pushing onto me.
my winning elimination chain as it is is you > mena > s_s (because while i thought raya might've been scum at some point on d1, i feel that scum simply wouldn't put all their eggs in one basket because of the very situation of town eliminating thru the snow wagon) > rce > montosh. i'm sorry if you're town but i cannot get past like... everything you've posted at this point and i feel like i am trapped in a hell where i try to go through things and end up at the same conclusions.-
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my rate of posting this game has been abysmal and i'm sorry about that.
i think that if people are unwilling to vote mena as an option to a50, i'd be fine with voting rce if only because... i can't really recall anything that they've posted today of note, and eliminating on the snowblaze wagon improves the odds. they were low in my list of people to eliminate for that because i couldn't recall anything overtly scummy today. i guess i still find the hard tr on rce from a50 odd ??? but tbqh i don't know if that implicates rce in anything fmpov moreso than a50? i guess that being quiet when there are multiple unconfirmed being pushed on/suspected ~~louder in comparison is beneficial for obvious reasons?-
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montosh, why do you townread rce and then have a50 so low? looking through your like... progression/analysis of a50, there's some stuff that you think indicates a50 as town and it correlates to their hard tr on rce. in general it feels like quite a bit of the stuff you've said about a50 marks them as being townier to you (i'm referencing 1271/1272 here, but you in general Like a50 in 729 and 779 too) so i don't follow where they fell so low. is it a poe thing?
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not making any sort of effort to interact or analyze me save for my votes and not the reasons i did feels like the laziest form of gamesolving and it's frustrating as hell that the votes on me stem from it or from uncomfirmeds who are like "oh, it was right last game, i am going to sheep it this game!" like, can someone actually give an explanation as towhymy votes make me the scummiest? this is @titus who has at this point refused to offer explanation about it despite me asking because i literally don't get how the interpretation of me moving from the snowblaze wagon to maemuki wagon is scum-indicative at this point.
like, in what world do people not look at this and think "huh, that's a really lame reason" wrt the latter. like yeah, sure, i am here yelling into the void with my heels dug in on a50 but how do you look at posts like 1201 and 1273 and not consider that maybe, just maybe, that is scummier than the reasons for me which are...? my votes?
i have literally not seen anyone actually make a sincere case on me and it's just going to let scum be able to hop on my wagon and eliminate me and then say "oh, we were just sheeping the confirmeds!" when they were sheeping the bare minimum reasons for me to be eliminated today.-
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sorry for getting cranky last night. the push on me just feels... nyeh.
it feels kind of... reachy, i guess, for menalque to have a, presumably, ~tell on me given that i've played one scum game on here so far. and again the defaulting to "well titus's vca says it's her so it's her" again feels bad faith.
that combined with 1402 gives me the same feelings again that a50 did where it feels like... a bunch of words about how mena would approach this game for the best results if he were scum and then saying "but my actions and thoughts and posts don't show that, so don't worry, it's not me doing that."-
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it's more the fact that i think 1) since being pushed more and more you seem more genuine fmpov than you did and 2) you didn't hear this from me, but i miiiiight have had tunnel goggles on that i am trying to remove.In post 1422, Almost50 wrote:I don't want to pour more oil on the fire, bu ydrasse is now looking to join any wagon not-on-her. I want her to state clearly her reads on all other 6 unconfirmed players.
i think that my reads haven't fluxuated much since i posted them in 1270 but:
raya, montosh
rce, s_s
a50, menalque
in which i am most confident that the two up top are town. i switched my vote to s_s because i wasn't so sure of you anymore and i really don't think that scum would go 3/3 on a wagon because that feels like a losing strategy fmpov. so, s_s felt like a safer vote while i reconsidered.-
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why though other than My Votes And Your Game TheoryIn post 1441, Menalque wrote:
Okay, but listen to me and titus tomorrow once I’ve flipped town and kill ydrasseIn post 1430, Eevee wrote:this why i think it's just Menalque:
- hard pushed snow day 1
- defended Mohab as oblivious town
- started a Titus counterwagon against Mohab
- is pushing the narrative that there were 1 or 2 bussers on Maemuki
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i'm actually curious of what you think the tell is now but i'll have to learn later
i dunno, i keep saying that i want more than a vca because it feels like a method that doesn't (or, in this game i guess hasn't?) taken into account anything beyond the when and where of vote placement. i get it's a vital thing to use but when people put their entire faith into it, it feels like there's not much that i can do to get them to look at everything else regarding the game.-
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i will simply never roll scum.In post 1453, Menalque wrote:
I mean if you flip scum I’m definitely not telling youIn post 1451, Ydrasse wrote:i'm actually curious of what you think the tell is now but i'll have to learn later
If you flip town then I’m seeing if it’s broadly reliable for you over a few more games or not, and if it keeps being inconsistent (instead of this being a false positive) then I’ll tell you
and regarding the vca stuff, honestly i'd be indignant as either alignment but it's worse this game because like... IF you are town and get mis-elimmed here, i am going to get rolled next for reasons that are objectively wrong and rigid. it just feels like there's nothing i can do either way except try to push where i think scum is and if i'm wrong, well, that effort is wasted despite my alignment because i voted at the wrong time or something.-
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In post 1462, Menalque wrote:
Let it be said, I really do like you regardless of your alignment:)In post 1460, Ydrasse wrote:i thought i was supposed to be pocketing you too. i only have so much room here to hold all of you-
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okay so.In post 1531, Menalque wrote:Okay but can you flesh that out for me
Why do you feel that I’m scum for instance or if I’m not that A50 is?
part of it is poe; raya and montosh aren't an active part of mine atm, and leaving you/a50/s_s/rce. of which, i feel that... s_s is most likely scum, if only because like i've said a) i refuse to think mafia is 3/3 on a wagon and b) i don't think raya is scum. (though to be fair i've not reread her in a while but i haven't had any reason to do that fmpov). by default that means it's one of you/a50/rce.
i think i've already explained enough why i sred a50 earlier on. rereading over rce going through this, while a lot of this slot doesn't stick out to me i find myself liking posts like 994, 997 1007 and... that's about it honestly looking through d2. there's nothing that really sticks about rce that makes me want to eliminate them except:
a) the weird setup speculation that they did at the first beginning of the game wherein they were talking about if scum could escape (176 and 178)
b) 1353. i think that the eventual way rce accepted a50's hard tr could be a way to make a rce/a50 team look more natural and not just them going hard to bat for one another the entirety of the day. but even then i think the half-hearted effort before just saying "yeah i don't remember pairings" is more towny than anything else.
so that leaves you. who i feel is like... running through a list of things that just pile on the list of things that scum does blatantly in the hopes of it being townread because it is Too Blatant. the hard push on snowblaze d1 (where, i know you said you weren't pushing the case super hard but i feel you were invested enough to ask for people's votes and also ask them to change it back which fmpov seems to imply you were pushing it fairly hard), the self-vote in an effort to ~help town resolve you which is entirely counterproductive to actually helping town if you're town and you know that. i dunno. your lategame to me just has this feeling wherein you're trying to get the votes shuffled off of you. 1441 + 1461+ 1471 being some examples of that.
idk. you're just weirdly dissonant in the sort of defeatist tones of "yeah if i'm wrong vote me out tomorrow, or you can just resolve my slot today (as you did earlier), i'm not even really sure in my reads" and still providing a lot of theory and determination in your views on where scum might've voted (1402). sidenote on 1402 i don't know where the
(also, if you are scum i can take full credit for you jestering about at the very beginning of the game).
but really at this point i'm not sure but i really don't have a choice where the wagons go. i think i'd honestly prefer s_s because of my personal theories (which i recognize is hypocritical to call you out for you using your own LMFAO) but i get that it makes way more sense to vote on the snow wagon.
this is meandering but at this point i don't really have anything else i can say/do. i'm not 100% sold on my vote here but it's my only option and it has enough of a chance to flip scum that i'm not upset that it's here.-
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...it was in fact unfinished. lmao.
i'll reread raya; there was a brief moment on d1 where i was ??? at her general presence but it sort of fell away into everything else and i haven't seen anything she's posted thus far really make me question her again, so i haven't — if i don't try to sort some people as town among the options i'd go crazy trying to figure everything out. for montosh, fmpov the way he's approaching this game feels more like someone trying to genuinely sort through people and their alignments where he's unsure rather than pushing for anything in a way that feels scummy to me. his response to me in 1385 feels about what i could expect from him and out of all the uncomfirmed slots i feel best labeling this one as town for right now.-
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wrt where i was going to that 1402 thing, it was just to do with i have no idea where that interpretation of the game suddenly sprang from and it just gives me the "how the game would've played out if i were scum, but i am not" sort of feeling that i generally get when i see people talk about how they would play something.-
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i'm gonna be real, at this point i'm kind of accepting that i'm going to be the elimination for the day and there's not much i can do about it.
i still don't know how the vca implicates me most of all when my vote on snowblaze came after talking to her and getting her to give more content and talk more. it wasn't without reason that my reads changed on her and moved onto mohab/mae. i'm biased because it's my own posting but i feel that those efforts should actually be taken into consideration instead of... timing? that it was somehow more misplaced compared to raya/s_s?
if i'm not hammered tomorrow i'll type up More than just this but at this point it's coming up on eod and i don't see things shifting. i genuinely think that people should revisit a50/mena tomorrow and vote in those two. i skimmed over raya and the way that she goes about everything is either just a) scum being lowkey and coasting on a general sense of being townread today by virtue of people thinking her opening this game was good or b) town who isn't interesting in pushing hard on anything in particular and more of a go with the flow mentality, though not for lack of content and reads. just not as loud about them, i suppose. i still think she's more of a paranoia option fmpov.-
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could i offer you the explanation of: the theory is your theory for how you would think it best approached by mafia, but mafia might not have agreed?In post 1597, Menalque wrote:I’m not townreading A50 on play
But I don’t see why my theory is wrong? On scum wanting to bus there-
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mostly pointing out the reasons why montosh would want to eliminate mena + the emphasis on a50/mena’s positioning wrt each other on montosh’s reads list.
also ngl as scum i did the same sort of iso thing in an effort to seem busy while avoiding certain people/not finishing everyone.-
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