Open 780: Chromavalon - GAME OVER

[Galron]

Nifty.

VOTE: Hiraki

[Galron]

Slime him. Go ahead.

[Galron]

My lynching arm is sore.

[Galron]

where was all the energy we had in signups smh why dont we discuss setup mechanics to move out of this limbo.

LAMIST

I like the anime guys for scum team

Reaching.

[Galron]

Btw, as horrifically flawed TSE's Merlin plan is, I think he's town for pushing it.

im saying that i think he's scummy

Hmm...

[Galron]

on page 5?

Checking to be sure.

[Galron]

VOTE: Hiraki

[Galron]

It sounds like you're POed about it, yeah.

"okaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay" is now an expression of being pissed off and not confused?? these are some of the weirdest arguments i've had on this site lol

galron - why do you also keep voting me when your vote has been on me the entire time other than the brief stint with TSE?

How dare you accuse me of voting TSE!

[Galron]

VOTE: TSE

[Galron]

Fuck

UNVOTE: Hiraki

I don't understand.

[Galron]

You didn't like my entrance into this game. And have kept me on your radar the whole time. Of course it's going to be bad. I'm not sure how I feel about TSE at the moment though.
PP seems like a frustrated town though.

Frustrated how?

[Galron]

I thought 5 was a majority whoops. Either way who doesn't understand the setup?

May be town.

[Galron]

Because I also think Hiraki is really scummy and there's a wagon there

There no longer is.

[Galron]

Get back to where you once belong, Jojo.

[Galron]

VOTE: Hiraki

[Galron]

I thought 5 was a majority whoops. Either way who doesn't understand the setup?

What are your win conditions, Midari?

[Galron]

I got my mojo(jojo) back in this game baby

Is your mojo going to have you vote today?

[Galron]

I agree Galron/enomis look bad.

What leads you to conclude this?

[Galron]

What are your thoughts on everyone, Galron?

Day 1 was everyone getting their feet under them. Day 2 will be more informed. I'll have more to say as we go.

[Galron]

Because you haven’t done much.

Thank you, Sir Cakez.

[Galron]

I agree Galron/enomis look bad.

What leads you to conclude this?

Because you haven’t done much.

Other than not having posted for 6 days, how does enomis look bad with this post and lynching scum?

Since Mafia wins if they figure out the Merlin’s colours out best bet here is to all give a Lock scum read.
As if your were or if you are Merlin.

You basically force merlin to reveal his mafia lead in game where mafia needs to figure out merlins leads?

To confuse mafia on who it is.

So let me get your thought process right.

1) You want everyone to out a random lockscum to "confuse" mafia who it is. (How does that confuse the mafia if it is random)
2) If we don't state that this lockscum reveal is random, doesn't it just give Mafia more ammo to work with?

How does 1/2 help town confuse mafia?

[Galron]

Ignoring your snark (which I usually appreciate) do you want to start by answering my previous question?

To supplement 355, I think Cakez and Midari are fishy. What do you think of them?

[Galron]

Ignoring your snark (which I usually appreciate) do you want to start by answering my previous question?

To supplement 355, I think Cakez and Midari are fishy. What do you think of them?

Not individually, but associatively.

[Galron]

still want to continue w/Hiraki and Midari tmrw even w/TSE scum

Did Hiraki fall off your radar?

[Galron]

I think I’ve been pretty transparent with my thoughts on them. Why do you find them fishy?

I’m not a fan of preflip associatives, but feel free to give your thoughts if you want.

Cakez can't support the "obvious" trail that led him vote Midari with nothing more than she avoided the lynch wagon, and whilst his grasp on Midari weakens, calls out Galron and enomis for, what, lurking? Yet Hiraki, who he was all over yesterday, goes disregarded.

[Galron]

Ignoring your snark (which I usually appreciate) do you want to start by answering my previous question?

To supplement 355, I think Cakez and Midari are fishy. What do you think of them?

Not individually, but associatively.

scum busing on day 2?

Maybe when Manatee finishes his spew hunt we'll have a better idea.

[Galron]

Sheeping Hiraki.

VOTE: cakez

[Galron]

It would be less boring if people would start discussing things. Midari being absent and not really responding to the suspicions on her is not helping. I'm more than fine lynching there but Galron is being scummy rn and I'd like him to explain.

Explain what, cake man? That I've been sending signals to Hiraki to vote?

[Galron]

It would be less boring if people would start discussing things. Midari being absent and not really responding to the suspicions on her is not helping. I'm more than fine lynching there but Galron is being scummy rn and I'd like him to explain.

Explain what, cake man? That I've been sending signals to Hiraki to vote?

You've been voting me...to get me to vote?

Yup. Why would I double vote you? I even asked you directly if you were going to vote. I think your reads have been spot on. I just needed you to get a vote down.

[Galron]

That wouldn't do us any good, would it?

[Galron]

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You alright, Auro?

[Galron]

Maybe ask someone who knows the answer to that question.

[Galron]

Why would scum rep out in a lurkfest?

[Galron]

Galron's reaction is bad

Jesus. Are you mad because I'm not playing in your pre-defined structure of how you think I should be? Are you mad because I'm voting you? Look around. If you're not scum, quit acting like it.

This game has been a slog. I don't think too many people really know how to approach it yet. TSE made a dumb strategy post that outed him as scum Day 1. Midari made a post Day 1 to the effect of how many understand the rules/setup. That sounded townie to me at the time, and even though she's kind of scum claimed since then, I think that still may be one of the most honest posts of the game. Other than Hiraki's rant. If you look at that, he pretty much nailed the game dynamic at the time. And his ISO is essentially a mind meld with where I'm at. Now we have cakez scum reading four or five people, penguin saying he's okay lynching Midari but not voting there, and Manatee and candles, I don't really know what they're about. Enomis was honest enough to bail, and like I said before, I don't see scum repping out of a lurk party. Battle Mage, bless him, also honestly said he is having difficulty with the mechanic.

If y'all want to lynch Midari, fine, but I think cakez is the better candidate today.

[Galron]

#quicklynchmidari

But okay, we could talk if you'd like, Manatee. You still here?

Coward.

You scared of me just because I'm a Merlin?

Seeing that hashtag just reminded me though, the best way to progress/rejuvenate this game is with a quicklynch.

VOTE: Midari

Quicklynching Midari is the only way. Come on, people, her actions put her as our best odds for scum, and it doesn't look like she's returning to address our concerns.

You think enomis may have bussed TSE and that Battle Mage may be bussing Midari?

[Galron]

you couldn't go two posts before contradicting yourself

my problem with joining on galron atm is that sircakez is on the wagon

Not a contradiction. There are multiple scum alive. Are you curious as to my thought processes at all?

Please go into this.

[Galron]

VOTE: Titus

Hammer. Let's move on.

[Galron]

The mechanic makes it hard to know what to say without giving your role away

Explain, BM.

[Galron]

You quickhammered yesterday because you wanted to move on. What are your reads atm?

Titus was over 12 hours into a prod. I didn't want to wait around. I had the impression everyone was ready to move on.

Anyway, cakez is still a scum read for me. That hasn't changed in degree. I'm wondering about you, but I've got nothing to point to other than a strange feeling, but I think there had to be a busser on the TSE lynch, and that leaves you, candles and battle mage. I still don't think scum would bail on this game, but I could be wrong about that. Hiraki's comment about trusting Kerset seemed townie at the time, but looking at that TSE lynch VC, if there wasn't a busser on the TSE wagon, both scum have to be in {cakez, Hiraki, Kerset}. If there was a busser, that has to be in {Penguin, Battle Mage, Candles}.

The Day 2 lynch:

SirCakez(1) ~ Battle Mage(9)
Galron(2) ~ ManateeDude(14), SirCakez(28)
Titus(5) ~ Kerset(19), Five Candles(15), PenguinPower(20), Hiraki(8), Galron(22)
Hiraki(1) ~ Titus(6)

Gotta think.

pedit: And that's to be expected.

[Galron]

I'm not sure. It would probably be cakez again.

[Galron]

Like I said, I'm not sure. Are you deaf?

[Galron]

Galron why are you even SRing me again?

Your Hiraki 1v1 for starters. Then the following:

Whatever Scum.

ok hear me out
this actually seems kind of genuine frustration? PP was being kinda rude to TSE and I can see TSE (knowing his personality) ending that argument this way as town.

Don't bully cakez

<3

Because I also think Hiraki is really scummy and there's a wagon there

There no longer is.

Well the alternatives suck
Join me on Hiraki

I don't see how saying the TSE wagon sucks construes a defense of him.

Let's look at the flip side - what sucked about the TSE wagon that didn't suck about the Hiraki wagon?

Currently, the TSE wagon is -

PenguinPower(49), enomis(9), Five Candles(43), Galron(12), ManateeDude(18) and TSE (if this is wrong, it's 12 here and I don't think the change will make a difference)

The Hiraki wagon was -

Hiraki(4) ~ Galron(8), Pink Ball(17), TrueSoulEnergy(18), ManateeDude(10)

So if we dive even deeper, the only two outliers on the TSE wagon are PP, enomis & Five Candles. So what was actually bad about the TSE wagon again? Enomis?

Spoiler: SirCakez quoting himself in 285

Tempted to lynch TSE just for that comment from Hiraki

for not rushing the day? okay

I like the anime guys for scum team

because i don't want to end d1 on page 5

okkkkkaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyy

TSE doesn't even seem to care about the votes on him.

still true FYI

Why are you assuming that's what I want to lynch you for? This seems like scum mad for caught for the wrong reasons.

where was all the energy we had in signups smh why dont we discuss setup mechanics to move out of this limbo.

LAMIST

I like the anime guys for scum team

Reaching.

on page 5?

he's way too defensive about pushes on him

and I also SR you for a lack of scumhunting other than TSE, who is the leading wagon

I've responded to all of these points and even PP called you out on the defensiveness one. Giving vague reasons that no one can follow is not helping you figure out what my alignment is (something that I have been suspecting that you are not trying to do with your posts) and is certainly not convincing anyone else to join. Even though I agree with Manatee, as I am about to do so again, I at least understand where he's coming from.

The only reason I'm not hammering right now is that I want more reads FYI. TSE doesn't even seem to care about the votes on him.

does this not look really weird in the context of scum!TSE

Why do you keep bringing this up? I already said why I said it. I thought he was scum then and I wanted to hammer but I also wanted to let the game breathe a little. What if he flips town (unlikely now but in the context of that post)? What are we supposed to do D2 with a 4 page D1? I've experienced it before - it's not pretty. Can you explain how that is unreasonable or are you going to continue to label it as

weird

and pop it up every once in awhile?

I generally agree with 300 to 302. I need to think about that more. It conflicts with my current read of the game but hopefully that is the missing piece of the puzzle that I'm ignoring.

At the end, yes. But, it was the only major counterwagon prior. And, TSE had strong defenders in you and Midari, with Midari contradicting themselves and you not have a good defense.

I'd also like to add that SirCakez's post is

completely

absurd when you piece together that SirCakez didn't even realize he was voting someone else other than me at the time.

Cakez any particular reason you're still voting midari

I thought I was on Hiraki
VOTE: Hiraki

Mobile posting otherwise I'd go into it but I really also don't think I need to

I got my mojo(jojo) back in this game baby

VOTE: midari
Obvious place to go with these flips

And of the people off the TSE wagon (cakez, hiraki, kerset), you have the highest scum equity.