Open 778: Nightless Vanilla [Game Over!]

[Firebringer]

VOTE: NSG

U know what u did

[Firebringer]

No lynching for three days in a row will result in a draw.

Btw if this game ever gets so toxic everyone wants to quit I highly recommend we do this.^^^


Also if I can be left alive to be the last mislynch that would be cool.

[Firebringer]

@nsg can I assume the reason we have deadlines in night less is for that draw mechanic of 3 game days?

[Firebringer]

VOTE: popsofcttown

hi u

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Isis

[Firebringer]

really cause I thought it was mega townie of me to do

[Firebringer]

what don't u like right now?

[Firebringer]

really cause I thought it was mega townie of me to do

nope, i SR you hard. what do you think of that?

how hard is ur scumread.

tell me in great detail. how hard is it?

[Firebringer]

ohhh man place that vote all over me. spray me with that vote

[Firebringer]

popular

i'm gonna be pop-u-lar

Yes u are

[Firebringer]

I am fine how r u

[Firebringer]

what? if ur drinking pls don't. if u aare drinking pls don't do league.

if ur not drinking still don't do league.

[Firebringer]

u are correct.
VOTE: humaneatingmonkey

u can have my vote for the next 72 hours. do what u wnt with 2 votes.

[Firebringer]

sorry my vote is stuck to ur vote. ur gonna have to vote me to get me to self vote.

[Firebringer]

VOTE: firebringer

[Firebringer]

VOTE: cycle men

[Firebringer]

ohhh man place that vote all over me. spray me with that vote

Wtf?
VOTE: Firebringer

Don’t be kink shaming me

[Firebringer]

Isis I don’t trust norwee boy. Do u?

[Firebringer]

ohh good I don't need to change my vote.

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Green Crayons

VOTE: green crayons

I think u got 48 hours left of my vote isis

[Firebringer]

what was ur question

[Firebringer]

ohh I think its lovely u think of me like that. I encourage u to think for urself. Don't be a sheep. Insert motivational speech here.

my hat is in the shop.

[Firebringer]

no see and I actually have a crazy story about this because idek how this happened.

I was driving along the road like I normally do. Had my hat on like always, when I came up to the abandoned house and I was like. "Ohh shit. I have to go in this place. This reminds me of scooby doo". I was expecting to unmask some villian who was haunting the place. So worried about my hat because obviously I aama going to be getting in a chase scene. I left it in the car. I go into the house, and search everywhere, but all I got was called on by the police for illegal trespass. WHICH SUCKED. But what was crazier is when I returned to my car to my hat and found out. My hat batteries were DEAD. I didn't even leave it on. I swear I turned it off the moment I took it off. So I had to take it to the haat shop to change the battery. Fuckin double A just doesn't work.

Crazy, right?

[Firebringer]

why are people voting green crayons

he broke my hat

[Firebringer]

Norwegian, who is scum?

Ehh. I’d prefer to base my reads around flips and wagon analyzis in a nightless. But i guess my weaker personal reads for go to scum would be fluffposter Firebringer and Lurkey Cycleman. Looker be looking kinda bad too. But he has an abhorrent towngame in my experience so anything goes.
A bit dissapointed Alisae hasn’t been on my ass more ever since that initial push. The fact that they pushed a scumread before becoming relatively toned down points to bad mojo if you ask me man.

I am the best fluff poster around. It is truly an art.

[Firebringer]

I think u got 48 hours left of my vote isis

What does this mean, by the way? I interpret it in two different ways, but neither makes sense.

Pretty sure he’s referring to the agreement he would vote whoever they did for a limited time.

do I give town points for reading comprehension? idk. Sure I guess.

[Firebringer]

why are people voting green crayons

he broke my hat

And I don't regret it.

this is why I can't have nice things

[Firebringer]

I find it more weird that someone wouldn't know there are 4 scum in this game. Like they are pretending to be idiots to get townread.

its pretty easy to do, and when expectations of a particular player is low, it can be easily exploited.

ive done so numerous times pretending I didn't read something for town points.

[Firebringer]

FB did you pull scum this game?

if I did I think I would be more interested in this game tbh

[Firebringer]

if u are at all dissatisfied with the content I am posting ABR I am giving u a limited time offer of 3 people I will ISO and give detailed examinations into thoughts on how their mind operates, alignment, and their favorite color.

Order now.

[Firebringer]

Actually I'm slighly sl firebringer from the way he has been shitposting, which reads slightly different than normal to me.

I don't think we have a completed game together....are u new or an alt? I thought u were actually new here.

[Firebringer]

if u are at all dissatisfied with the content I am posting ABR I am giving u a limited time offer of 3 people I will ISO and give detailed examinations into thoughts on how their mind operates, alignment, and their favorite color.

Order now.

Isis
Deimos
Firebringer

Alright, this will only take me an hour. Please hold.

[Firebringer]

First lets go post by post into each one and add some colorful insight. Then I will follow up with general summary of what I learned followed by CORRECT GUESS ON COLOR. Ohh also a read I guess. if ur into that thing.

Spoiler: Isis

18 Isis, trying to go in strong with the first post. What a try hard. Of course most of this is just show and not real effort. Maybe there to set the mood of what he is going to be doing later.

19 No the name is from the Egyptian god of the dead I believe.
23 This non-speaking normally in a idiosyncratic way is strange. Could be just fun loving rp/style kind of post. Still when someone is acting I am always thinking okay what u acting for.
41 Cool. Act dropped gave reads. Though since the reads are vague and im not going to pull this post to see what in reference to in the vagueness in language hard to tell how deep in thought these were but could just be general vibes.
44 This goes between old act and previous post. Overusage of words to describe something that could be done shorter. If Isis is rping what even is this character.
45 axolotl sounds weeb.
48 There isn't anything to analysis but Isis wants to analyze. I don't like this forceful push to move game forward players do. Let it flow naturally.
52 I didn't get this memo
53 Is isis expecting to get something readable from reaction to his first post? Or is this fake. I wouldn't take his first post serious nor would I think anyone really should. Isis has a more open mind than me.
57 I like this meta take on Elements. Not that I agree with it, just the highlight of "if it was anyone else". Shows he is factoring in normal player behavior into it.
63 Interesting this could indicate he planned that first post specifically for someone like Elements...
65 I am unaware of Elements/Isis relationship but Isis indicates a heavy knowledge of both his mentality and actions. It could be overstated. I would like to know more background on that to see if this is Pocketing or genuine. I am sure they played games, and I have too with Elements. But elements to me is semi-forgettable player in style.
67 I generally don't like these kinds of posts.
68 Here is the point where I go. Wow. Elements is mentioned so much. Is Isis protecting him because he knows Elements can be susceptible to mislynch? Does he actually believe he is town? Does he know he is town and just looking for ally/credit later. I need more background on that relationship.
69 Cool. Context. 5 games. Is that enough? Ehhhhhhhhh...might be enough for him to realize some things people pick on Elements for to point out. Fine. I am leaving this elements as a pass.
92 Its strange for context on nightless to this question because how does a scum or town answer this? "Go for the dangerous players" What differentiates a town or scum mindset. Maybe a mentality of player but I don't know if it will yield AI responses.

at this point im gonna start skipping posts. This is getting long.

94 This post is hard for me to understand
108 Lackadaisical response to pressure that I enjoy.
110 I am fine. How r u?
114 Good Post
116 And he thought I wouldn't vote myself.
120 Don't tell any pirates that.
121 Pressuring a non-presence, I am under assumption Isis has no reads here since he has yet to state a scumread. He mildly questioned votato and was defensive on the response. So I am thinking he is looking back to fish on what to do. Generally fine with this.
141 Showing that he thinks Norwee is projecting? Or maybe making fun of him. Should be voting him if its the first. First post I am generally like this comeback post was kind of scummy.
142 we just call ABR old fart these days.
143 Overanalysis into a post about not being here. Kind of questionable but could be just prodding here.
145 This and 146 is being very friendly towards 2 players. Isis is not known for being mean to players. But considering Isis, I am concerned of no scumreads. Minor pokes. And only one apparent town read.
188 If this post is true. 100% Isis is town here. Deciding not to masquerade as an alt would help his scum game only. Not his town game.
228 Why Green Crayons over Norwe? This defeats my "he is buddying" thing a bit.
251 Losing faith in Elements. Signaling a town paranoia
268 Confirms my "no strong reads" suspicion which isn't really like high level analysis.
303 So much focus on the votato role pm color. I forget sometimes that Isis focuses in on this stuff that I just don't care about. Not much to say but I don't like he townclears Deimos in a way here. Everything beyond that is fine.
304 This is one of those weird posts for scum to fake considering they have to be thinking "ohh I am gonna go see between these 2 timestamps when they posted and then conjecture here to make a read" its just a deeper analysis than scum will typically go for and not something intuitive to do. They are more likely to do something else than this. Rare to see a scum go this route for explaining a read and almost never for a "I can't make anything out of this".
310 no, u didn't advocate for policy lynch, ur not crazy yet.
352 I bet u think I am gonna call u town.

Okay in summary what we got here for Isis that can be summed up in one long paragraph instead of all those sentences above. First, the meta read in the early phase I think was interesting into his focus on Elements. In my mind when I think someone focuses in on a player like that its two possibilities for either deception or genuine. I leaned more in genuine because later it got backtracked. You could say Isis saw wasn't getting anything from it hence the deception part faded, I don't think so. I think he is looking at the player trying to sus-out things that should be town indicative not scum and not hve them be pushed in general not scum way. His reads are weak, and it shows throughout the gme and he has tried to push the gme in certain wys but also seems kind of relaxed with game state, maybe got used to it just not being a try-hard kind game. Isis is a person I don't expect to get frustrated with a game state not being to her liking. The reads on Norwee is strange for no push. The most interesting and I think most telling was response to votato and the looking aat time stamps and trying to figure out the authenticity of it, which is more telling to me that Isis is thinking in town sense than anything else.

I rate this player. With the Firebringer Grade:

To Townie To Fail.

Most importantly favorite color: Purple.

That was long. Okay next coming up soon.

[Firebringer]

Spoiler: Deimos

13 RVS
27 Asking for main. Kind of obvious Isis is alt.
272 Last paragraph was only interesting post. Highlights some analysis that shows a lot of assumptions/analysis within about a player that might be a bit too much.
276 Damn this heavy analytical players are going to drive me up a wall. The complexity of their mind is harder for me to grasp. They go a few hundred miles a minute within a few sentences. Nothing sticks out to me as saying he is just fabricating analysis, but to me the highlight was Elements. He came to a similar conclusion as me. And he doesn't have the experience or I don't think he does have the experience with Elements so this could be someone from a scum mindset who picked up on something and is highlighting it show he is thinking deeply. Like showing your sleeves while having a knife tucked in your shoe.
278 analytical speak. Not mindset indicative it just highlights again that analytical mind.
288 Posts like this always make me think. What is the purpose? What do you think you are conveying and how do you think this analysis is helping you? To me, the mindset is generally to see whose thought patterns can be manipulated and I think he is picking up Votato as a potential ally.
289 Newbie games aren't fun. They are like awkward and full of people talking like robots.
297 Surprised he brought up policy lynch. Analytical players generally don't push that.
320 Good reads here I actually think. He isn't shading HEM which I think would be the actual scum modus operandi, considering this is the opportunity to double down and force a ditotemy of Votato/him town.
325I would think he would pick up Isis read is based on meta if he was analyzing that more. Maybe not.
327 lol I guess he wasn't gonna push a policy. Or is this a lie?!? Probably not.
334 This post gave me the thought "hmm there is the players ego here". First time I seen something outside analysis, was kind of interesting to see it shed for a minute. Maybe a bit defensive not really in a bad way.
346 I don't think you would be dumb enough to pretend to have 4 scum leans in this game just because 4 scum.

Wow. All those posts. So much words. Well, I can easily say this is a analytical player. LOL. The worst kind of mafia player, we need to brun them at the stake tbh. Anyways, he is clearly going into depth on players post and picking them apart to think about players. Does that mean town? No. In this situation, I don't really think so. Sure some posts I can kind of see a townie mindset. Other posts, ehhh what you telling me some of this stuff for and wht does this help in either A) discussions to leading to you getting reads or B) do anything. The perfect example I guess was back in post 276. I can see this plyer looking into players the same way a predator looks for the easiest path to catching a prey. I don't think Deimos is looking for those easy mislynch bait, he is clearly looking to maneuver himself into the best altitude but not in a rushed manner because nothing in his posts is him screming "I AM TOWN" but I can def see positioning possibilities here the one post that kind of went against that was him and HEM which could just be not wanting to push that position too soon. Also this guy has L as his avatar. Should be clear sign of someones sense of ego.

Firebringer rating:

Scum Raccoon (they like to scavenge for good finds)

Favorite Color:

Turquoise

[Firebringer]

Ill ISO firebringer later. His posts are annoying to go through.

[Firebringer]

votato, why do people get mad at u all the time?

[Firebringer]

votato, why do people get mad at u all the time?

im gonna assume its cuz theyre jealous of my scumhunting abilities and scared that i found them out. and theyre jealous of my horn that isnt a hat.

ur too endearing to get mad at tho.

at worst ur like an annoying little brother. Adorable but gets himself into too much trouble

[Firebringer]

Spoiler: Firebringer

God this iso is a shit
4 What did NSG do?
5 lol how cute u want a non toxic game.
8 dumb question deserves a dumb answer.
72 stop outing alts u moron.
77 see above.
79 It wasn't townie.
87 is this going where I think its going?
89 You need jesus.
109 pointless post. Stop buddying.
111 No, you need jesus.
113 only good post so far.
115 your just too lazy to vote people so you give away your vote like a slut, don't you?
117 have you tried unplugging it and plugging it back in?
119 self vote is dumb
122 no reason given.
132 You deserve all the shame
162 Why don't you trust Norwee?
205 empty posting
235 NO ONE IS MAKING U STICK TO THIS 72 HOUR RULE DUMBASSS
240 clearly not reading.
242 Should have included that you enjoy the scumread but would like to just remain friends. Otherwise good post.
244 Please don't become a writer.
267 Probably was a cheap hat
339 If this is what you call art, kill me now.
341 holy shit is this like ur first read u announced? and ur just giving it away lazily like its a penny?
342 You need work for nice things.
344 my expectations of you are low does that make you town?
345 If this is your town game, its tragic.
347 Id pay money to see you give content.
350 You aren't even concerned about his reads just if you know him?
353 I bet he doesn't do it.
363 TLDR; Favorite color is obviously wrong.
376 TLDR; How is a raccoon a predator? R u a moron?
377 You are telling me.
382 Why don't more people get mad at you instead?
386 U seem more immature than votato

Okay, this was....sad to read. This player is like just active posting. Doing nothing to progress the game besides moving his vote around and and barely mentions reads anywhere and doesn't even show a god damn thought process. I wouldn't cry a bit if we lynched this slot immediately.

Firebringer grade:

Burn in Hell (Policy Lynch Material)

Favorite Color: Orange

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Deimos

[Firebringer]

I see you are on Isis.

[Firebringer]

I see you are online Isis.

*online

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Deimos

I have a lot of respect for Firebringer as a player.

VOTE: Deimos

i don't like any of this. but i said i'd follow ABR. VOTE: deimos

This looks so bad lol

yes, you voting deimos by stating because of me and votato voting also because of u when his read on me is scum. Would be something in the book of "how does that work out?"

[Firebringer]

Like an unholy trinity.

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why am I wrong on ISIS anyways, u said u came to the opposite conclusion but basically agreed with me? Lets backtrack that and figure out why.

if I am going to be defending my buddy here, I got to do a better job if ur gonna keep shading him.

also im too lazy to go through ur iso to figure out ur reasoning on isis rn.

[Firebringer]

so in general terms ur thinking someone has a bad early they are scum and not just have a bad start?

[Firebringer]

so in general terms ur thinking someone has a bad early they are scum and not just have a bad start?

in this case. but then again, i always have a bad start, so i cant really judge...

in what cases does this go in the other direction than does it just need to be more townie than it has been or what?

[Firebringer]

FB notices that isis is online
isis defends by saying on phone, will post later, conveniently dropping phone wrong button slip
isis points out slip.

this doesnt really read as genuine to me


pedit: its gut. dunno what to tell you. i think good players should be expected to have good starts. im a bad player and you should expect bad things from me the entire game. if i accidentally have some good posts thats no more AI than my earlier bad posts.

okay.

don't think isis just lies about being at doctor office but w/e

[Firebringer]

Good morning humaneatingmonkey

[Firebringer]

Seems like you switch to using "her" only when talking about my past games

sorry about that

[Firebringer]

votato is pretending to scumhunt by pretending to be paranoid or doubtful of a post I made about visiting the doctor. I don't think he genuinely doubts whether I misclicked a quote post button on a phone or not but I think he has some conception that pretending to doubt others makes him look town.

To borrow your logic, he never finishes his conspiracy theory to posit why scum!me would do that.

Wait, I'm supposed to be adamantly against this line of reasoning

is this purgatory

Yeah see I am actually agreeing with you on votato as scum. He seems to be weird.

Votato made a comment that really striked me because I thought about it aand was like "yeah that is really true". He said he ws uncharastingly firm with reads. He has I would call weird/not easily understood reasons for reads, but they are very consistent. The consistency is actually bugging me. It almost looks like he is not sure who to scumread so he picked some people he thought he could scumread because some early bad stuff he could do and just kept pushing it?

Like half of his posts about his scumreads are like half jokes, half this is what I think about them. So he could almost defend any post of his with just saying "I was mostly joking there. not really that serious" or clarify in anyway he needs to.

I don't really believe his reads are actually what he thinks. They don't line up in my head with what he is saying and its not because he is all over the place, its because I don't think theres progression in thoughts that much. Just attack player scumread, or call them scum in jokey way.

I am almost convinced votato is more scummy than Deimos.

[Firebringer]

Take for instance votato saying I am defending Isis? Does he genuinely believe this? Its hard to say for me cause it seems to only come up when he is being half jokey with me. Then we had discussion on the read of Isis, and he was really giving me not a lot of what really made Isis scum. It was more of "this is how I play/think about the game in general". Didn't seem like he was trying to figure out what I was thinking at all in the exchange. Usually you have back and forth in questions and I would think he would be asking me more questions if he had a scumread on me. Not sure if he actually does. It doesn't feel like it. So him saying I was defending scum ally is weird.

[Firebringer]

firebringer, i see you. i know what you did. im laughing, but at the same time you seem to have some people fooled, and im a bit concerned.

I am ready to jam with you anytime buddy.

[Firebringer]

Votato do you genuinely think I am defending Isis as my scum ally?

[Firebringer]

no i think isis is prolly town at this point. i think deimos is town too, and following ABR got me nowhere. UNVOTE: deimos. I basically townread human, but that read list is pretty bad. all three townreads have very little content, whereas everyone in the undecided pile other than looker has a decent amount.
maybe theres some firebringer content, but mostly its fluff. adorable fluff, but still mostly fluff. and then FB's case against me is odd, and reads like a novel where the protagonist is pro town, pro town, being described as pro town, and then at the very end all of a sudden you find out that the pro-towniness actually resulted in the author making the protagonist the villain. like why is the villain the good guy? what?
@firebringer what do you think of human and human's read list?
ur right. i should ask more questions.

Interesting this is like ur first progression post on reads I think.

Humans reads? I don't have much thoughts. Not sure why ABR or Alisae is town. Kind of curious on why I am town so glad you asked. I kind of want him to get on deimos wagon or give thoughts on why he wants you over deimos beyond "stronger scumread". Kind of not interested in really heavy focus on him

[Firebringer]

man if I was in a try hard mood. I want to look through NorweiganboyEE cause my gut says town but my mind doesn't like he isn't actively pushing anything.

[Firebringer]

Firebringer if you aren't on my team this game I will cry.

You're very convincing right now.

nou

[Firebringer]

Isis if u keep calling me town ur gonna make me paranoid.

[Firebringer]

Someone on the scum team is buddying up to me. I can feel it. I just don't know who.

[Firebringer]

if that was true, u would come play tf2 with me.

[Firebringer]

yes

also NSG is really on top of VCs this game. I am proud of her.

[Firebringer]

man if I was in a try hard mood. I want to look through NorweiganboyEE cause my gut says town but my mind doesn't like he isn't actively pushing anything.

Brb while i manufacture some content.
Oh, right. I don’t have much time so won’t be efforting. Never mind.

What should be my takeaway from this post Norwee

[Firebringer]

I think ABR is very transparent in what he does and how he does it. He doesn't feel the need to look like town or look figured-out. This gives me the kneejerk reaction that he's town. If he's scum, he's not giving himself a good position for future days. So I can tolerate what he's doing because he's giving us a lot of info for it.

ABR can recover any position you think he is in if you give him like 2 shots of coffee/steriods and time to yell at everyone. I don't think him being worried about anything tells us anything right now.

[Firebringer]

Anyone here?

[Firebringer]

half here

wheres the other half?

nope

u didn't accept my myspace friend request so ur dead to me

[Firebringer]

the firebringer behind the murder

haha whos this guy

you

[Firebringer]

cats out of the bag lol

[Firebringer]

on second thought i don't want to add u

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Cycle Men

[Firebringer]

@cycle you just got hammered. Got any final words for the thread?

[Firebringer]

i actually thought he was hammered.

[Firebringer]

can someone hammer or give me good reason why we should let cycle men live rn?

Cause frankly he is null to me but this game needs a god damn flip.

[Firebringer]

could someone summarize the clemency case for me? im sorta null on the slot... maybe worth a wagon? but i dont see why we are at L-1 and attempting to hammer.

Ur such a big troll.

[Firebringer]

are most Norwegians as sarcastic as u Norwee?

[Firebringer]

u funny Europeans, ur all related.

[Firebringer]

u funny Europeans, ur all related.

i think thats how this whole being human thing works

no, i am clearly unique. I am neanderthal

[Firebringer]

ill give the person who hammers my vote for 72 hours for day 2 if they hammer within next hour.

[Firebringer]

VOTE: cycle men

not hammer

[Firebringer]

i imagine calling someone "extra" to be the mafia equivalent of a mean girls calling someone "basic"

Ye Extra!

Ye Basic!

[Firebringer]

*shrug* youre not wrong

am i ever wrong?

[Firebringer]

human u aren't interested in my offer of my vote for 72 hours?!?!

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Firebringer

Hey bae how r u

[Firebringer]

Does anyone have more context for how they expect ABR to play? I thought I heard he was like, good at mafia, but his participation here is bizarre at best.

he will put in effort eventually

[Firebringer]

since no one is gonna hammer cycle men.

u all have to live with that:

VOTE: Votato

[Firebringer]

i never voted u before.

[Firebringer]

i was voting deimos.

and i am eager for hammer because we should get to day 2.

[Firebringer]

i don't tr cycle men, fine with a lynch to see a flip.

I don't like drawing out a game day for ages.

[Firebringer]

i was raised in a broken home

[Firebringer]

spicey

[Firebringer]

just ignore alisae reads.

[Firebringer]

human suddenly defending elements makes me feel like he never intended to push that way in the first place and is just doing it for the sake of hiding associatives

the exact same can be said for ali and norwee yet you're not commenting on that

except ali put a lot more pressure onto norwee along with other people and came to what i believe to be a natural townread as a result of reactions to that pressure

an interesting thought from cycle men.

also wrong but interesting this came from cycle.

[Firebringer]

get doordash weed.

[Firebringer]

i can, i don't really plan too though.

[Firebringer]

I think norwee is actually probably scum here and buddying up to some peeps. I don't care about lynching norwee day 1. I like his posts and attitude in general. Gives the game a fun atmosphere.

But yeah, think alisae reads are garbage and alisae is town here.

[Firebringer]

this frustrates me greatly wolfpupper

smoke some weed that will take of the edge.

[Firebringer]

Aw that’s so nice Firebringer.
That’s 2 for the "Norwee is scum, but too snuggly to be lynched yet" tier.

i wonder if i would feel the same if you didn't have that anime avatar

[Firebringer]

ur posts were my favorite from mafia from home.

[Firebringer]

alisae ur not even a little bugged how fast cycle men has come to ur side? Not even a bit?

[Firebringer]

mine

[Firebringer]

NSG more like pagetopstealer girl

[Firebringer]

I'll hammer whatever gets to L-1 except myself.
I'll support Cycle Men because I personally think he flips town but if it does flip scum then there are probably some things I have to re-evaluate, since I'm off base completely.
Also I too also believe Norwee is snuggly but im just tryina to play mafia KEKW

ud hammer an IC? thats scummy of u alisae.

look at alisae being so scummy

[Firebringer]

im cool

lynch this liar.

[Firebringer]

im cool

lynch this liar.

why do you hate me ):

i secretly have a crush on u. don't tell anyone

[Firebringer]

Lend me your energy.

Elements
Green Crayons
Firebringer

Who am I voting

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Cycle Men

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Votato

Let’s go for 2 scum lynches

[Firebringer]

Think Deimos is most likely one that was bussing on that lynch

[Firebringer]

At least I’m not a scum troll

[Firebringer]

Try better

[Firebringer]

bro what are you doing

I agree.

ABR its time to step up and show us your alignment. Done with the free pass, you got to work to get townread now.

Do something genuine.

[Firebringer]

I don't think I am playing this game any different. Except for when I gave reads to ABR

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I was in a really good mood. Just got done with running.

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i mean he was probably also in a good mood but it's fun to call him lying scum

it is, isn't it?

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VOTE: ABR

L-1 ABR.

[Firebringer]

im not confident at all abr is scum. But apparently he isn't interested in really fighting here.

sad.

[Firebringer]

Remember that after day 1 scum lynch, majority of towns will mislynch next day and go on to lose the game.

this is true too

[Firebringer]

what if we just lynched votato?

ABR is like a coin flip on town or scum rn in my mind.

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alisae how is scum abr = scum votato that i am not seeing btw?

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alisae how is scum abr = scum votato that i am not seeing btw?

they were both voting off wagon.

so were other people?

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i just want to lynch one more scum right now, then lets just build a town block we are fine with keeping to end game and just lynch fast in everyone else.

I think if we all just agree: alisae, humaneating, green crayons, isis are all town. We can lynch everyone else (incl me) and the game should just be over with. I want more scum lynch before we do that though.

I think alisae/human/gc/isis don't all agree with each other being town to each other so thats an issue. But I feel pretty good that at worst 1 scum is in that and we can just go with that grouping.

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Like does anyone disagree with me on that there is likely only one scum in the group:
alisae/hem/GC/Isis and its a decent end game group?

I think maybe even none but I could be wrong about one.

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alisae and FB are scum together

is isis the other scum in the group?

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i keep having the concern that votato just has bad reads. But he says so little about his read on me. Then when I come up with a plan he just immediately goes "2 of those hve to be scum with fb" that I go.

"well who do u think is my scum allies i am putting in there?"
and "if ur town why aren't u curious i didn't even place myself in that group?"

maybe the last is less of question because u see me as lamist for not including myself or something but seriously. The reflexive "2 of those are scum" is like...give me something?

[Firebringer]

alisae and FB are scum together

is isis the other scum in the group?

more likely crayons. crayons FB ali scumteam makes a lot of sense

i can see me and crayons making sense.

how does crayon/ali make sense?

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ali probably would be pretty good at disguising interactions with everyone here in game. I just don't think my interactions with ali possibly look like scum/scum or Green crayons to ali look scum/scum.

also i townread ali so theres that.

[Firebringer]

firebringer have you been running

we need to start a kind of communication channel where you are open and accountable about the "running" habit you've developed because it is really affecting your mafia play

no running blog for u

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I think norwee is def scum in this game too btw.

I would not be surprisd if this game was ABR/Norwee/Votato

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you answered your own questions. i guess i really dont know what scum!FB looks like. but this feels different than town!FB, and i feel like you havent contributed like i normally see you do. Why is that?

I don't know what you are expecting.

Answer me why you think 2 of the people i mentioned are scum. Answer why you think each of those are scummy. Explain some parts of reasoning beyond interactions between players maybe or that I said I think they are all town.

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VOTE: Norwee
I'M GOLDEN ROBSTER NOW

What?

a user before ur time.

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was abr actually hammered? I am too lazy to count votes rn. and NSG hasn't done a VC for like 5 pages

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isis, is abr hammered or not?

Do i need to go annoy NSG?

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god damn u, i am gonna do an unofficial VC.

ISIS is now on my most hated player list for making me do work.

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ABR (LYNCHED): HEM, Elements, Deimos, Firebringer, Green Crayons, Alisae.

It was hammered by Alisae.

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i dont buy for a second that this was an accidental lolhammer by townies. i buy for an hour, maybe even for the whole evening that this was orchestrated by scum to look like a lolhammer when they were really taking out a big late-game threat. if ABR flips town FB, crayons, ali are gonna have a lot of things to answer for

where the hell do u get all these takes from? Why do I constantly see moonlogic from u this game.

First it was "ohh i don't believe ISIS was really at the doctor and couldn't respond and then faked that whole misposting" and then its stuff like this.

Is everything like a government conspiracy shit now?

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@votato i expect u to next tell me they are putting chemicals in our posts to turn the frogs gay.

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5G cell phone reception causes mafia outbreaks in town populations.

ur posts are literally gold.

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Of course I am town. Don't fuck this up again on the next lynch.

Who next then?

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clearly the most funnest player is the worst.

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hem/alisae/isis/GC
^^^ Still think golden group.

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i am fine with lynching looker next if ABR flips town here.

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got to protect my scumbuddies ali/GC afterall , right votato?

[Firebringer]

I am gonna go into something people rarely talk about, although its mostly in terms of "activity", but ive been semi-following games trying to find if there is a pattern for this and i kind of did. Its not 100% guranteed but its a good metric.

Spoiler: Random info dump

Green Crayons 214
humaneatingmonkey 205
Isis 187
Alisae 167
Firebringer 140
votato 127
Cycle Men 112
NorwegianboyEE 104
Elements 96
northsidegal 78
Albert B. Rampage 53
Deimos27 33
Looker 22
Clemency4

Number indicates post

What you have here is list of most to least posts.

In probably 20-30 games I tracked in my data pool, in more than 70% of games, only 1 or no scum was in the top 5 posters overall for the game. That means if we take this game to be also in that pool. In less than 5% of games there was more than 2 in the top 5 posters.

So saying at worst that this game has 2 in top 5: HEM, GC, IS, Alisae, Me. Lets just assume I am scum here. That means only one of HEM,GC, ISIS, Ali can be scum here. So unless you think this falls under a very small demographic of games here. HEM, GC, ISIS, Alisae group almost ensures game because only max 1 scum in that group.

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Firebringer what sizes were these games? Wouldn't the percentile the top 5 posters represented be more important than the number five?

and what's the probability a random 5 posts has <2 scum to compare? I could figure it out if you could confirm, like, you were always looking at 10:3's. An 8:4 is already going to be pretty different and this is a little sketchy

And I assume you cut off tracking at the end of day 1?

13 player games. I used mini normals and mini themes only

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VOTE: looker

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im gonna sheep abr last wish.

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my townreads need to stop fighting

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my townreads need to stop fighting

how is monkey town buddy

I don't have a long case for u.

why u townreading looker

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Fire you are better then me.

im def not better than u

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I def don't think hem case push on u is indicative of anything. This is just how he pushes and he can get in this mindset of so very focused on a read it blindsides him to everything around him.

I don't agree with his push on u being fake in anyway.

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can we lynch votato now?

everytime I see one of his cases I don't believe he actually believes it.

VOTE: votato

[Firebringer]

what's your solve fb?

I want it to be u/Norwee/Looker

but its probably not that simple.

If I am right about 2 out of 3 I am happy with that.

I want to be lynched as soon as we get another scum cause I don't have the stamina for long drawn out games.

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ur my number one scumread votato, u should feel so honored.

Why don't I get the idea u have a back and forth mentality of thinking out ur reads?
Why is it everytime I see u make reasons for someone being a scumread I go "this sounds fake. How does he come up with that"

I don't think I am scumreading u here cause u just think I am scum. I genuinely don't get any of ur solving as u actually solving.

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I could go for norwee, but im not lynching HEM.

my all star end game group is still:
u/hem/gc/isis

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Norwee

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votato uve been keeping up this also i want to call a barrier between urself and me in all of our interactions. I think I have been as open as possible in talking to u, but each time i get responses there is an invisible wall ur putting up between us.

Sometimes I think thats normal, a person who is tunneling does that as a defense they are worried about being deceived so they put these roadblocks to not let them be manipulated. Perfectly fine.

But to me. That isn't you. Not what I can gather of how you view the game or how you think about the game. I don't think u have trouble talking in an open manner with anyone in any game. Yet, here I think you do. Why is that?

[Firebringer]

i haven't been as confident in a scumread like i am on votato for awhile.

feels good man.

[Firebringer]

@Firebringer: Are you taking into account individual players' post counts as either alignment?

no

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controlling the narative and driving the agenda

like what you're doing now?

he is talking about his town game dude.

[Firebringer]

controlling the narative and driving the agenda

like what you're doing now?

he is talking about his town game dude.

is e?

yes

[Firebringer]

controlling the narative and driving the agenda

like what you're doing now?

he is talking about his town game dude.

the game im refering to in that post is high noon in which we were both scum

ohh i thought u were talking about town game u were both in

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votato uve been keeping up this also i want to call a barrier between urself and me in all of our interactions. I think I have been as open as possible in talking to u, but each time i get responses there is an invisible wall ur putting up between us.

Sometimes I think thats normal, a person who is tunneling does that as a defense they are worried about being deceived so they put these roadblocks to not let them be manipulated. Perfectly fine.

But to me. That isn't you. Not what I can gather of how you view the game or how you think about the game. I don't think u have trouble talking in an open manner with anyone in any game. Yet, here I think you do. Why is that?

yeah youre right. Im wary of interacting with you because I suspect that youre running some big ploy. your posts dont sound like your normal self. I guess i havent ever seen you post after day 1, and I'm surprised that youre so easy for me to read. All that gives me pause. My solve does read like a conspiracy theory. But its a conspiracy that has been alluded to in the main thread.

Also if you really think I'm scum here you may want to reevaluate your ability to read me. So far I have gone into every game with a different approach, so if this seems different than in other games, dont be surprised. I am starting to doubt my solve, and HEM v alisae sorta reads like SvS atm. I still think ali is the best lynch today, because it gives us so much info. and If ali flips scum then we lynch FB next right? we lynch FB after finding one more scum? crayons almost has to be scum here. Super opportunistic both with post timing and direction. If ali flips scum crayons is scum for sure.

well fuck don't make me doubt myself now.

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There is no reason not to let someone get their last thoughts out before you hammer them if they desperately want to get their last thoughts out.

then why didnt you state intent to hammer before hammering the last two days?

the abr hammer was a lolhammer
As for the cycle men hammer,

DO YOU KNOW WHAT A DEADLINE IS

deadline doesn't matter really here.

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sorry ali i don't have an answer for u on the other post.

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sorry ali i don't have an answer for u on the other post.

because maybe I have a fucking point?

i don't really think so

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i think ur too narrowly focused right now and the people pushing u is making u lose perspective a bit.

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if norwee flips scum lets just stick to my golden group plan and if games is still going u can convince isis/GC that its HEM.

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i think ur too narrowly focused right now and the people pushing u is making u lose perspective a bit.

who is this addressed to?

alisae

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i think ur too narrowly focused right now and the people pushing u is making u lose perspective a bit.

I think there is 0 reason for scum to defend me and I think that it is all town that at this moment is voting either norwee or not voting.
I think that its very reasonable for all 3 scum to want to kill me due to how easy it is to do so.

ur like not an easy lynch.

[Firebringer]

go to sleep this game will still be here later

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i think ur too narrowly focused right now and the people pushing u is making u lose perspective a bit.

I think there is 0 reason for scum to defend me and I think that it is all town that at this moment is voting either norwee or not voting.
I think that its very reasonable for all 3 scum to want to kill me due to how easy it is to do so.

ur like not an easy lynch.

All scum has to say is I hammered ABR and I defended Cycle Men and thats what most of the attacks have been against me.

okay but i don't think its working? and i don't know if this is a scum motivated plot. I think u need some sleep to gain some perspective.

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nsg ur obsession with pagetops....i think u need an intervention.

i don't have a problem, i can stop whenever i want to.

-nsg

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By the way, if Alisae is town here, I'm willing to be lynched tomorrow. That's how confident I am.

no, i need u for the golden final team.

Don't lynch ali

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if ali really is town then maybe we can put you in the final team. we can punish you by making you play for not solving the game now.

u can't force me to play the game.

do i look masochistic to u?

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my scumreaad of deimos is returning. I think he is in that scum territory of having a hard time to catch up to the game. A player like him would be rejuvenated by scum flip to solve and he is dropping off hard.

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FUCK

votato is getting me to think and play.

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I only want scumreads tho

[Firebringer]

I have exams in a week.

Do in game V/LA ?

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pls dont tell me we are actually lynching ali

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id rather be lynched than effort.

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pls dont tell me we are actually lynching ali

all 3 scum are lynching me dude
All 3 scum are on my wagon

who besides HEM?

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nvm i should read. u just said it lol

[Firebringer]

town flip inc

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GOD WE SHOULD HAVE STUCK TO MY GOLDEN GROUP

U all smell

[Firebringer]

lets lynch norwee.

[Firebringer]

Lmao monkey I don’t twilight troll
I’m town

Honestly if you were town, you were so bad.

u tunneled dude. Stop protecting ur ego.

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HEM take a back seat to this game awhile. You are not helping town rn.

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VOTE: Norwee

Go ahead and hammer GC

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Norwee

Go ahead and hammer GC

I mean elements.

[Firebringer]

I can see the votato - Firebringer link now.

well at least u have new reads now.

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GC, unvote NorwEE. I'm willing to sheep your votato read.

Stop acting like a clown.

You had a bad read. You don't get to lead right now. You are lucky I don't think you are scum doing that.

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GC, unvote NorwEE. I'm willing to sheep your votato read.

trying to save your buddy?

he did this exact same stuff last town game i played with him.

He heavy focused a player so much, we lynched them. He was town. He acted like there was no way anyone should townread tht player. Then flipped people to scum who thought the person was town.

He is town here.

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GC, unvote NorwEE. I'm willing to sheep your votato read.

Stop acting like a clown.

You had a bad read. You don't get to lead right now. You are lucky I don't think you are scum doing that.

You think votato is town?

I am not 100% sold on Votato town, but he is way more town than Norwee.

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GC, unvote NorwEE. I'm willing to sheep your votato read.

trying to save your buddy?

he did this exact same stuff last town game i played with him.

He heavy focused a player so much, we lynched them. He was town. He acted like there was no way anyone should townread tht player. Then flipped people to scum who thought the person was town.

He is town here.

Who is the “he” in this post?

HEM

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i need to replace ali in my golden group but none of you are town enough for me to do so.
>.>

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Does a Norwegian flip in either direction inform your votato read?

No? Why would it?

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i might just consider ali god townread on Looker to be conf town at this point and have him in the final group.

But man....that looks like a death sentence for town if 1 person out of HEM/Isis/GC is scum.

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i really don't trust looker to bring this game home.

I am really feeling a Norwee/Deimos team rn but no clue on final scum.

Votato? Idk. I don't feel it anymore.

[Firebringer]

maybe its elements

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he got grandfathered in my golden group town.

u can't get out of the golden group unless u get lynched.

I am not reconsidering any of those players.

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if i had doubts about anyone in the golden group, it would be isis. But i am pushing all doubts aside because doubts are bad for town reads.

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why did u unvote?