Open 719: Stack The Deck! (D4)

[Wisdom]

If we no lynch then brass dies basically going by current reads
I can't force you guys not to so it's your call
I would however prefer to actually lynch

Why does this feel like youre trying to justify not dying after we NL

[Wisdom]

umm you were just saying you would be the kill if we NL'd

[Wisdom]

Also I dont buy you being so convinced its Maria. You should be way more paranoid of me right now, especially given our history

[Wisdom]

Also
Maria going after Math while it was clear both me and brass townread him felt townish here

[Wisdom]

then i realized overnight that bussing is maria's scum meta

Im almost certain you mentioned this yesterday, so "overnight" is a lie here

[Wisdom]

even so
Feeling so strong about it being maria isnt justified
She could still be town having an accurate game for a change
Do you have any reason to rule me out?

[Wisdom]

im perfectly capable of faking everything ive done

[Wisdom]

but that can be excused for other stuff he's done

such as?

[Wisdom]

to be fair i supported NL before i knew what math was going to post

[Wisdom]

this is a weird lylo
I expected everyone to scumread me yet no one is
Ive ended up arguing on why I shouldn't be townread

[Wisdom]

Your interactions with the worst feel unnecessary as scum

And math's dont?
Nobody wanted the worst lynched until math pushed him

[Wisdom]

uh how is ego related

[Wisdom]

ok so why did math bus the worst like that there

[Wisdom]

maybe maria slipped she was recruited

[Wisdom]

or daytalk

[Wisdom]

i mean, its an option, and many scum have taken it, so

[Wisdom]

last scum games

Micro 767
Elemental Trinity
The Sexy Brutale
Micro 720

[Wisdom]

now seems to be implicitly turning a Wisdom vs Maria fight into a Mathdino vs Maria fight.

why is that something youre accusing me of
this

is

the fight from my pov

[Wisdom]

though i wasnt even considering you until maria went after you, i fully expected her to dive into the 1v1 with me and that gave me pause on her

right now i am back on thinking its maria fwiw. Besides the pushing on tw that makes little sense for scum-you, i remembered that the main reason you made me worry earlier in the game was because i thought you were protecting uglyduck who I thought was certainly flipping scum
that was wrong so i was just paranoid

[Wisdom]

are you still between maria and me or are you considering math too?

[Wisdom]

yeah, no lynch is strictly the best no matter who dies

what are your thoughts about who the scum is?

[Wisdom]

Okay, like, do you have some points against me or math or maria we can discuss?
Like, I think it might be math because of x
But it could be wisdom because of y

[Wisdom]

For Wisdom, this is full paranoia, the posts seem too guarded. Like, intentionally trying not to give out information. I also find it very strange that there are posts asking for analysis without really providing much himself. Plus the tinfoil from my reads being right on Beefster and the worst and remarks that my scum hunting is bad, but that could just be because my methods are not very well accepted in mafia, even if they were effective this game.

This is just a playstyle issue; thats how i play in all games regardless of alignment
As for when i told you your scumhunting was shallow, it was because i felt you were reaching conclusions too easily without going deep into motivations and not because of specific reads

[Wisdom]

Specifically you were saying that the worst is scum because of not explaining his reads
which i felt was really shallow as i also rarely explain my reads

[Wisdom]

now about math i dont really mind the thor push because i also strongly felt thor was scum
But i dont really see him pushing the worst like he did, he had no reason to bring him up when ugly was so easy to lynch

[Wisdom]

Its not "the only thing"
Math has been pretty town the whole game

[Wisdom]

i don't trust esp's reads either, he prob was lucky with maria here

[Wisdom]

we're still nolynching math, its the best even if its almost certain who the kill is

[Wisdom]

regardless of our opinions theres a non zero chance anyone could be scum and thus the kill is information

[Wisdom]

theres no downside to it, we know everyone's opinion before we do it

[Wisdom]

I'm talking about this specific game

we dont know for sure brass and you are town so no

both you and brass get to share your opinions today

[Wisdom]

brass said hes considering you

and even if he hadnt i dont care, you could still be scum pocketing him and advocating for this to secure your win

[Wisdom]

dude we dont care about your pov

think about everyone, we dont know you or brass is town so we are not lynching when theres still information available

[Wisdom]

he doesnt though and you arent

[Wisdom]

well other than brass voting me and most likely losing the game theres no way to get a lynch today anyway so its useless to discuss it

[Wisdom]

i am no lynching

[Wisdom]

there is no conftown in the game

brass is very likely town but not conftown

[Wisdom]

yes everyone is in the lynchpool

i dont care about discussinf our reads

one more person dead is one more person who cant be scum

[Wisdom]

so math either maria quickhammers me or we nolynch

choose

[Wisdom]

dude youre going against standard mylo practice
dont blame me

[Wisdom]

also scum me prob goes with your plan and convinces you to lynch Maria today

[Wisdom]

maybe if brass votes I can be clear then die so I don't have to put in effort anymore AYYYYY

lmao
youd like that, wouldn't you

[Wisdom]

brass maria is just waiting for the quickhammer here

[Wisdom]

math your case is so ridiculously bad that i wont even bother

[Wisdom]

1. I strongly believe JJD is more likely to be right on Wisdom even if just by gut than Espeonage is to be right on Maria. If Espeonage IS right on Maria, it's basically by random chance. JJD's reads are >random.

what the fuck are you going on about
JJD townread me the whole game

[Wisdom]

6. I expect Wisdom's play today to make more sense. I've gone into this and this was the last straw that made me vote him.

do explain how it makes sense for scum-me to want a nolynch over going after maria at the beginning of the day with you and brass leaning there

[Wisdom]

the rest of your points is you making assumptions that are just wrong

[Wisdom]

i'm against no lynching because brass is my only ticket to never being lynched.

youre still thinking of yourself here and dont understand that the rest of us dont share your view
nl might be worse for you but not for the whole town

[Wisdom]

youll feel so silly when you realize you are desperately trying to reach out to scum

[Wisdom]

math do you trust brass enough to get him to conftown today

[Wisdom]

I mean we both vote maria, brass doesnt hammer and thus is conftown, and then we dont nolynch

[Wisdom]

no, we dont nolynch when we have a conftown

[Wisdom]

VOTE: maria

same

[Wisdom]

cool
there you go, we wont nolynch

[Wisdom]

now whenever you feel ready to figure its maria and not me

[Wisdom]

whats a write up

[Wisdom]

as in, why maria is scum?

because you and brass arent

[Wisdom]

already told you
scum-me goes with the crowd and lynches maria instead of trying to nolynch

[Wisdom]

already told you
scum-me goes with the crowd and lynches maria instead of trying to nolynch

So, why does scum!Maria nolynch rather than going with the crowd and lynching you?

Maria going after math instead of me was puzzling, yes
I can only assume shes played with me more than she has with math and thinks im scarier to push
Or she wanted the lylo to be more open and less 1v1

[Wisdom]

Prior to lylo my man

Prior to lylo what?
Nothing ive done is different than what i usually do
If anything, people who know me would argue my paranoia and sudden readflops are indicative of town me

[Wisdom]

tho this is really useless

if i can point out why i am town then i can also fake it as scum

[Wisdom]

i cant read maria at all so yes, shes poe

Like its easy to come up with scum motivation for a lot of things shes done but its equally easy to do so in games shes town

[Wisdom]

First of all my read on you the whole game has been town, i just got paranoid you had pocketed me when i realized on d2 that half the reasons i was townreading you for didnt apply if you were the traitor
What also fed into the paranoia was that you wouldnt agree with ugly and instead pushed tw - up until i looked at a few tw games to see how he is as scum i was gut townreading him and felt like your push on him wanted to draw attention from the ugly wagon
When i realized tw is basically the same as scum i stopped thinking i had solved the game and wondered if you were right about him, thus starting to consider both duck scenario as well as tw + esp/maria

[Wisdom]

i didnt stop thinking it's you and ugly on that page, i just switched to ugly
my posts on the next page hint im still suspecting you

[Wisdom]

it could also be tw didnt know maria is his buddy

but saying this to a buddy is also relatively normal

[Wisdom]

it also makes more sense to bus beef while not knowing hes rolecop than if she knew

[Wisdom]

what dont we know

[Wisdom]

and role pms are literally in post 2

[Wisdom]

Do mafia pick who get what pr

no, its already been mentioned at least twice

[Wisdom]

zzz
maria playing dumb now

[Wisdom]

btw i only just realized that maria was at L-1 with intent when she suggested she should be lynched

which makes it way more scum motivated than i thought

[Wisdom]

brass vote maria so math can also conftown

then maria will be forced to drop this bs and deal with casing me

[Wisdom]

yes i am

[Wisdom]

too bad maria

now youre officially confscum

[Wisdom]

ive never seen scum-you selfvote so

but i would have def not townread you for it had i realized you were at l-1 with intent

[Wisdom]

yeah lynching yourself is totally good for town

you totally believe this and this is totally not bs ate

[Wisdom]

you've been in games where this happens so you're just outright lying

name one

[Wisdom]

MYLO mafia

I had to iso you there because i didnt remember that but its really not comparable
There you actually selfvoted, were not under hammer pressure, and actually tried to take control and get town to trust your reads
Here you just said youre okay with your lynch when you were already under hammer pressure because thats what you thought is expected from a townie; then after the pressure was dropped you milked it for extra points

[Wisdom]

why didnt you selfvote here like you did in perpetual mylo?

[Wisdom]

you wanted to talk about reads in perpetual mylo too yet you selfvoted there

The only difference here was you being at L-1 so you couldnt pull the gambit

[Wisdom]

yeah ok bs

lets end the game pls

[Wisdom]

Wisdom, why were you comfortable with conftowning me?

because you were obvtown

[Wisdom]

like ive been townreading you since d2 when i realized your push on beef was decidedly not a bus

pedit: yes
obvtown is not conftown so while we had no conftown nolynch was the best

[Wisdom]

day started on april 19 so it should be may 3 or something

[Wisdom]

why is this so hard for you, Maria has basically given up

[Wisdom]

see, that's what i mean

[Wisdom]

its equally easy to do what you're doing

[Wisdom]

maria tryna take credit for being a good townie is kinda pissing me off

she is in general taking the too weird to be scum path
like in the page 26 sequence where i ended up thinking she has to be town with all that erratic thinking

[Wisdom]

and the problem is that her town game is

also

like that, thus making it hard to distinguish what is what

[Wisdom]

idk if its on purpose or if shes good at emulating a subpar town game

[Wisdom]

btw i just updated my wiki if you want to use it

[Wisdom]

it also makes more sense to bus beef while not knowing hes rolecop than if she knew

[Wisdom]

the biggest thing i don't think scumariaR fakes is the "changing my mind a bunch of times"

what did she change her mind on in this game?

[Wisdom]

how about you selfhammer and save math the effort

[Wisdom]

can you just hammer her already

[Wisdom]

wow the ate works

[Wisdom]

math?

[Wisdom]

are you kidding me you described her meta already

just get this done

[Wisdom]

when it comes to players like maria they are fine

[Wisdom]

for the mod why?

[Wisdom]

ill still count it as lynching scum-maria regardless

[Wisdom]

hahahaha

[Wisdom]

math pls can it get any more obvious

the replace out was a last ditch ate

[Wisdom]

i swear if she ends up convincing you

[Wisdom]

what the fuck
how can you suspect me more

[Wisdom]

stop overthinking and just hammer
delaying only causes you to secondguess everything

[Wisdom]

can you blame me when you keep changing your mind every 5 mins
for all i know maria might come up with an even better ate and get you

[Wisdom]

gg

[Wisdom]

who knows

[Wisdom]

well i won, and maria didnt

[Wisdom]

someone's trolling here and i hope its maria

[Wisdom]

lel maria was original goon