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Post #5 (isolation #1) » Thu Apr 25, 2024 12:16 pm
Postby May »
I pressed the iso button to see people's pronouns in case I talk about people who haven't posted and then a mobile bug made it show me exclusively schadd_ and May's pronouns which is hilarious (I know schadd pretty well) (yet have never played any of his games) (I ruined the irony of that forever, I didn't reflect on my choices enough)
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Post #6 (isolation #2) » Thu Apr 25, 2024 12:21 pm
Postby May »
HEAL: Black Moros May Implosion this is an epic emo band
Unfortunately no one else has an emo band name so we will do a 4 person coalition.
May is definitely an emo word she wants to become a woman yet she can't seems pretty emo to me, the sunshiney month is the less important meaning of the word
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Post #21 (isolation #7) » Thu Apr 25, 2024 1:34 pm
Postby May »
In post 18, Moros wrote:
it seems unfair to me that there's only 5 town members. it leaves them no room for error in forming their coalition. but i didn't design the setup
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Post #77 (isolation #8) » Thu Apr 25, 2024 5:31 pm
Postby May »
In post 25, Aventurine wrote:
I realized just now I could make a witty comment about how you could put me in your pocket, but I didn't think to do that when I made my first post, unfortunately.
I'm pressing the e key (pickup key in MapleStory)
god I hope that's wrong because if I actually remember the pickup key from that game still
In post 40, Aventurine wrote:
And this compromise lies in not nominating yourself? Coalition-making is a different process from voting on coalitions.
This is also something to highlight in this setup; mechanically speaking, HEAL: s are 100% meaningless unless you heal 5 people. Voting for a coalition of 4 players will never actually mechanically contribute to a coalition forming because the day ends when 5 people have all voted for the same 5 people.
This is not to say we oughtn't vote because it's a good way to telegraph an opinion. But votes don't carry the mechanical weight that they do in a normal game of mafia, where voting for a player is putting them one step closer to being eliminated. Even voting for a full coalition doesn't have the same sort of weight because it own't matter unless 4 other people agree on the
exact
same coalition.
I'm reading this whole post in the voice of Mercy Overwatch
In post 40, Aventurine wrote:
And this compromise lies in not nominating yourself? Coalition-making is a different process from voting on coalitions.
This is also something to highlight in this setup; mechanically speaking, HEALs are 100% meaningless unless you heal 5 people. Voting for a coalition of 4 players will never actually mechanically contribute to a coalition forming because the day ends when 5 people have all voted for the same 5 people.
This is not to say we oughtn't vote because it's a good way to telegraph an opinion. But votes don't carry the mechanical weight that they do in a normal game of mafia, where voting for a player is putting them one step closer to being eliminated. Even voting for a full coalition doesn't have the same sort of weight because it own't matter unless 4 other people agree on the
exact
same coalition.
Yikes, I’ll see myself out. I
also
misunderstood the setup, since I didn’t really read it in detail; I assumed we were making coalitions first and then voting on several different coalitions. I guess they’re similar, through.
Every setup is more fun and has healthier day play if you just ignore mech as much as possible and solve alignments and do the mech stuff last minute
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Post #81 (isolation #11) » Thu Apr 25, 2024 5:51 pm
Postby May »
I think it's town indicative for black to pushback skepticism on my slot, considering I hyperposted last game. Hyperposting town read scum is kind of a loss condition even more so than failition
In post 81, May wrote:
I think it's town indicative for black to pushback skepticism on my slot, considering I hyperposted last game. Hyperposting town read scum is kind of a loss condition even more so than failition
Why is this pertinent? I wouldn't describe you as hyperposting in this game. Just that you think Black-town should have some latent skepticism that you're capable of carrying a game as scum? If so, do you think Black-scum would be less likely to express that skepticism?
I'm not hyperposting this game yet but the game has been open 8 hours. I say yet but I am pretty sure I will not hyperpost this game. But yet as in, she could still expect I might.
I meant skepticism that I should be townbinned so I think maybe you have points backwards.
If she's scum I think it's probably in her range to emulate but would accomplish less of her goals because you can probably let one or two loud obvtowns develop comfortably in this setup
I'm a little bit tempted to significantly townread this sequence. The fact that there's 3 posts and the spacing of their timing I think points to town who saw something weird, then realized they felt it was not scummy, and then thought a bit more on it and realized that it might depend on previous experience level. I think it's a bit less likely to come from scum since Umlaut would have to manually decide to take both the step to make the second post, and the step to make the third post. Maybe way over-reading into things but curious if anyone sees what I'm seeing.
I initially read the third post as unrelated pure curiosity but as a related followup it does make a c-c-combo multipost tell
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Post #134 (isolation #16) » Fri Apr 26, 2024 7:34 am
Postby May »
In post 125, Umlaut wrote:
I don't think Black has so little self-respect that she would seriously try and pretend to believe there were 4 scum in a 9-scum setup.
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Post #135 (isolation #17) » Fri Apr 26, 2024 7:38 am
Postby May »
Umlaut do think Black is town that needs to be defended or do you just not want to let Moros cook.
If you white knight Black do you become a Black knight?
It's scummy to me because I think it's kind of generally irrelevant to the gist of Moros's sentiments and scum are usually exclusively interested in being technically correct
town. 125 is a townpost. The sort of audacity to call it out as what it would be + wanting to claim that there's absolutely no ambiguity to the townslip, comes from town dramatically more often. Scum kind of need to leave townslips as ambiguous things. But the even bigger thing to me is the statement about Black's self-respect; I feel like that's an angle scum would come up with to argue from extremely rarely.
Black, is probably town, I think. The townslip isn't actually clearing if she thought it was 5:2 rather than 5:4 (for clarity, the reason it would be clearing is because if she's scum, it'd be clear in her mind that there were 2 scum, but that isn't actually what she was mistaken about). I still think it's town-ish because setup mistakes I think are probably baseline more likely to come from town since scum are talking privately with someone. I also like her offhand post annoyed that no one was finding her as town, I think that's an angle she'd take a bit more often as town than as scum.
Doesn't umlaut say it's just a working theory in 128? A lot of the theory about town slips and the wifom/risk/reward of calling out something that could be a townslip is generically true in much more platonically ideal cases but it neither costs scumUmlaut a correct coalition slot, nor do I see how scUmlaut would think it was guaranteed to cost a correct coalition slot.
In post 159, implosion wrote:
Do you, Moros, want people to townread you? Or is it more like, you think Black is trying too hard?
only if i deserve it. yes, at the start.
Which posts?
the first 7
I don't understand how to you got the impression I'm trying too hard to be townread from those posts. Half of them are RVS jokes that I do every game and the others were just me talking about whether we should self vote
I forgot for a moment we were playing coalition and thought you were saying you've half joked, half discussed self destruct strategies, and the selfdestruct strategy half must not count as jokes, and it was funny
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Post #184 (isolation #23) » Fri Apr 26, 2024 3:58 pm
Postby May »
I both feel like I have no idea how to read Implosion but vaguely feel there was like one game exactly one time where I identified his slot was scum so I feel like I'm supposed to know how. Like when my opponent played super giant into two facedown cards yesterday and I remembered I lost to that 3 times and beat it once but could not remember the details of the difference between those games and then lost and felt terrible as a learner of knowledge on planet earth
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Post #186 (isolation #25) » Fri Apr 26, 2024 4:06 pm
Postby May »
The porcupine town read on Moros is pretty good but I also feel like it's kind of just playing mafia without caring about winning debate club. 131 is a joke that undermine its own arguments
There's a certain extent to which I just want to town read all the players that make me laugh and I think Moros is above Black on the leaderboard
In post 184, May wrote:
I both feel like I have no idea how to read Implosion but vaguely feel there was like one game exactly one time where I identified his slot was scum so I feel like I'm supposed to know how. Like when my opponent played super giant into two facedown cards yesterday and I remembered I lost to that 3 times and beat it once but could not remember the details of the difference between those games and then lost and felt terrible as a learner of knowledge on planet earth
Are you a known alt? I don't remember playing with you (apologies if we have!)
I am I think pretty obvious town in theory here; moreso than the towngame I just played at least (which Black was in). My RL circumstances are very peculiar right now so I have a lot of time and energy to devote to this game and the distraction is very welcomed and I suspect I would still be posting a fair amount if I were scum but I would not be enjoying it as much as I am lol.
This is interesting because it's softly a list of you, me and my townreads; and also because it seems quite the politically infeasible coalition at this moment (granted that Moros is being a bit ambiguous about its read on me, but it did unheal me and is scumreading Black and Umlaut)
I'm an open alt
Most people in the game know
I'll post it in the band PT
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Post #195 (isolation #29) » Fri Apr 26, 2024 7:44 pm
Postby May »
I think I'm struggling to see it as the only obvious reading of Black's string of posts. I just read it like someone who has played coalition once or twice saying it's impossible to instawin coalition without selfing, which is true 5/7ths of the time.
It might be locked into my own perspective not to view the misunderstanding as dominant over the understanding, I only hear laurel and the dress is gold etc
I want to townread the slot anyway for the multipost and was less worried about mistakenly coalling Umlaut vs. figuring out if you're tmi-ing. I no longer think the reasoning is thin enough to indicate that
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Post #260 (isolation #36) » Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:38 am
Postby May »
Serious face if I applied the concept of frozen to this game ceejay summarized the first 200 posts with one post from aventurine that "feels off" and trickled pretty minimal thoughts thereafter so I would kinda wonder if he's having an alignment related problem digging into the game
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Post #261 (isolation #37) » Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:39 am
Postby May »
Wouldn't it be funny to just coalition aventurine before it posts more even though it's kinda scummier than rand and acknowledged the existence of MapleStory
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Post #271 (isolation #40) » Mon Apr 29, 2024 12:43 pm
Postby May »
I agree with all of that intellectually but I feel better about healing a newbie that looks more natural than not than I want to heal one of the vets who are simulating their town game or playing their town game in similar ways. It's a fallible percentage play
In a way maybe it's a better heal than black even if I have more little things I like for black.
It's like
The absence of a mess in the kitchen is so much more of an indicator that a certain 8 year old didn't cook this evening than a certain 48 year old didn't cook this evening and there's an absence of anything sinister in the way cutter b presented the simple silly partition plan even if it's not very difficult to post about while carrying a scum mindset
Can you explain your thought process when you did this
Was thinking about the post that Moros made and I was pretty sure the response was made by ceejayvinoya but I wasn't too sure so I removed them for now
What was it about ceejay's response that you didn't like?
There wasn't a particular reason.
Wait I'm confused. You took him out of the coalition because you didn't like the response to Moros, but there isn't a particular reason why you don't like it?
This is where I'm at too I also don't have transparency into this hurt ceejay heal ceejay progression
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Post #325 (isolation #43) » Mon Apr 29, 2024 4:55 pm
Postby May »
The more townies refuse to compromise the more it becomes acceptable for scum to visit my refuse to compromise which then makes day 2 inferences less powerful and then hellbooks snows me but then misplays by shooting me and I feel like I didn't deserve to win
In post 325, May wrote:
The more townies refuse to compromise the more it becomes acceptable for scum to visit my refuse to compromise which then makes day 2 inferences less powerful and then hellbooks snows me but then misplays by shooting me and I feel like I didn't deserve to win
We just started putting lists together I don't think the narrative that townies are refusing to compromise is true
Implosion INVITED me to THINK about the SETUP Black!
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Post #332 (isolation #46) » Mon Apr 29, 2024 5:01 pm
Postby May »
Aventurine seems very appeasy
The double pivot looks bad. It's just less likely for two reads to organically flip compared to 1 but 2 slot changes isnt as coincidental for scum air traffic controlling pressure.
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Post #336 (isolation #47) » Mon Apr 29, 2024 5:36 pm
Postby May »
In post 333, implosion wrote:
I feel like the baseline opinion that I've come to after many years is that changing opinions is, in most forms, a towntell. I agree that a natural significant opinion change is sort of a priori unlikely, but I think scum deciding to make a post where they abandon their whole-ass worldview and pick a new one is also quite unlikely, and we must be in one of those two universes. I think it's particularly unlikely for scum Aventurine here because I'm not sure what it really gains out of this maneuver, Black was actively scumreading it and I was kind of being coy but I don't think my post sounded exactly thrilled with its play.
As a mafiosi I refuse to change my opinion and accept this one
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Post #337 (isolation #48) » Mon Apr 29, 2024 5:41 pm
Postby May »
This is the second time it feels like you're templatizing the game and then reading it instead of reading it. Aside from how it makes me skeptical of the outcomes it feels harder to read and that's frustrating
I don't think that complaint is universal though your Cutter B takes were fine
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Post #340 (isolation #50) » Mon Apr 29, 2024 6:14 pm
Postby May »
I don't really care about reevaluating my hip shot that black rolled town until after her being 20% of the coalition doesn't win the game or her being 20% of the coalition crashes the wii and I take a break from practicing chain jacket glitch to practice nayru's love vertical displacement glitch
In post 337, May wrote:
This is the second time it feels like you're templatizing the game and then reading it instead of reading it. Aside from how it makes me skeptical of the outcomes it feels harder to read and that's frustrating
I don't think that complaint is universal though your Cutter B takes were fine
i felt this way earlier but i think now that he has good intentions.
Do you know what changed or will you just say "my feelings"
In post 337, May wrote:
This is the second time it feels like you're templatizing the game and then reading it instead of reading it. Aside from how it makes me skeptical of the outcomes it feels harder to read and that's frustrating
I don't think that complaint is universal though your Cutter B takes were fine
i felt this way earlier but i think now that he has good intentions.
Do you know what changed or will you just say "my feelings"
i don't think it's right of you to frame my feelings as insufficient. everything is based on feelings. my feelings changed because it felt like implosion just likes to view things in that manner, and the more recent times he did that, it didn't seem like he was stretching to reach a predetermined conclusion.
Is there something about the list that made it seem like he was stretching the first time?
It's not that feelings aren't valid but you can townread people for breaking a post down and showing it as being indicative of something more than you can for them just taking different stances every few pages
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Post #391 (isolation #55) » Wed May 01, 2024 6:00 am
Postby May »
Umlaut floated a "can I remove May from my coalition to add someone else" then when 0 people posted reasoning I'm scum and 3 people posted "oh I don't like her for coalition this game" he switched. But still characterized it as an affect of other people's opinions
It makes me think he felt he had to follow through on it and doesn't make me think he read something persuasive HURT: Umlaut HEAL: implosion
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Post #392 (isolation #56) » Wed May 01, 2024 6:05 am
Postby May »
I like the thought process in 371 even though I don't think I'm scum with Black ( I know I'm scum with Black).
Im liking Tsawassen more but I just gave this recently freed canoe chair to Implosion
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Post #393 (isolation #57) » Wed May 01, 2024 6:11 am
Postby May »
In more detail I think that mafia would be less likely to suspect blacks jovial reaction to my antics+ the suspicion of my slot because both those posts and actions are pretty null or townie in a vacuum but it is a bit more unusual as a progression and mafia would automatically treat Black's suspicion as sincere. Sort of a data clobber to paying attention to how people are feeling
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Post #399 (isolation #59) » Wed May 01, 2024 7:36 am
Postby May »
I often have a feeling immediately but have to reread my most recent catch-up to coalesce things into a post that has more value than "umlaut is a coconut" or "I like tsawassen more". I write the stuff in the order it's become articulable instead of chronological order.