open 910 - a series of extremely codependent relationships i {game overrr)

[White Lotus]

Drew did you roll lover with someone else

What?! No....I only have eyes for you

Forgetting last night are we. Bit hurtful
VOTE: Doc

[White Lotus]

i was originally gonna self-vote but realized i was at e-2 and then scum would hammer and then that'd throw the game LOL

VOTE: Sunflower GetLimmed Any%

Try it again.

I dare you.

~ Wizard Enchanticus

[White Lotus]

VOTE: bloodb0t

ego

Hey blood, you really saved yourself at the last second there; got gall to taunt the Wizard

~b

[White Lotus]

I like to imagine fire slaps JupiterXV hands every time he does something like this.

Basically hydra gameplay.

~ Wizard Enchanticus

[White Lotus]

This game designed that all town must vote mafia member, or we never win.


Watch out for "early game" busses or taunts.

I am not liking Sunflower at all. Too much dumbtells for my taste.

~ Wizard Enchanticus

[White Lotus]

I'm banking on hiding behind Enchant's clean façade

[White Lotus]

^

sorry, I'll forget to sign sometimes

~b

[White Lotus]

I didn't post because i was on other device and opening message which contains password from this account and entering it was too much work for me.

Probably biggest disadvantage of being hydra. Another one is dealing with eyecrushing site theme my hydra partner picked (HOW YOU PLAY WITH THIS ON CONSTANT MANNER).
Why i don't change theme? Oh well. I am lazy.

Huh, gameadvancing content? Okay.

~ Wizard Enchanticus

[White Lotus]

Simple.

Mafia can only afford to "jokingly" bus each other early game, then ride on this distancing until end game. (spoiler: That's mostly how mafia acts in normal games as well).
Mafia who cover each other no matter what is rare.

~ Wizard Enchanticus

[White Lotus]

It is pretty forced. That's my MO early game. It's barely a read but I'm just throwing it out there, again for generating discussion.

Aye, but it hardly helped in your secondary goal to generate a counterwagon at the time. It only ended up kind of doing so by ultimately swaying sunflower.
Did you intend to make a cw out of mirrored at that time?

~b

PE: wow, ninja'ed by myself. Embarassing.
I don't play with sepia on my main, dw. I'm not a

complete

psychopath

[White Lotus]

Simple.

Mafia can only afford to "jokingly" bus each other early game, then ride on this distancing until end game. (spoiler: That's mostly how mafia acts in normal games as well).
Mafia who cover each other no matter what is rare.

~ Wizard Enchanticus

I actually was curious if you would call out this as a dumb tell just like you called out Sunflower

VOTE: Lotus

What dumb tell?

[White Lotus]

I sometimes forget to sign up so if message looks like brainrot it's probably me.

By me i mean Wizard Enchanticus

PEDIT: I don't know what dumbtell you are about. Blood is in fact correct: Bussing teammate ends game.

~ Wizard Enchanticus

[White Lotus]

I sometimes forget to sign up so if message looks like brainrot it's probably me.

By me i mean Wizard Enchanticus

PEDIT: I don't know what dumbtell you are about. Blood is in fact correct: Bussing teammate ends game.

~ Wizard Enchanticus

It looks like 200% more ugly on this theme.

Also if i am wrong you freely can to post what "dumbtell" about otherwise i just consider you want to fight me.

~ Wizard Enchanticus

[White Lotus]

So explain why Sunflower was dumbtelling

Pretending mafia does have kill and generally acting like you don't know information mafia 100% has (basically inability to read setup if you are town).

And yes Sunflower is not only player who did that.

~ Wizard Enchanticus

[White Lotus]

Also I totally thought this was a regular lovers game, I was wondering why I didn't have a lover lol

Color me disappointed

[White Lotus]

I sometimes forget to sign up so if message looks like brainrot it's probably me.

By me i mean Wizard Enchanticus

PEDIT: I don't know what dumbtell you are about. Blood is in fact correct: Bussing teammate ends game.

~ Wizard Enchanticus

It looks like 200% more ugly on this theme.

Also if i am wrong you freely can to post what "dumbtell" about otherwise i just consider you want to fight me.

~ Wizard Enchanticus

I admit, I did want to troll you since I know how much you love the yellow m&m lol

But I don't understand how you think that scum will try to act like they are bussing in this game, and warn us all about it......then when someone acts all innocent like 'why would scum buss here??'.....you just agree that it is a dumb play.

Ya see the contradiction?

Yes. I know you would never troll me as town. You are completely unfunny as this faction.


~ Wizard Enchanticus.

[White Lotus]

They can't be opposite because these are different statements.


If i post game theory and then say someone looks bad, it doesn't make these related.
~ Wizard Enchanticus

[White Lotus]

But I don't understand how you think that scum will try to act like they are bussing in this game, and warn us all about it......then when someone acts all innocent like 'why would scum buss here??'.....you just agree that it is a dumb play.

Ya see the contradiction?

Simple.

Mafia can only afford to "jokingly" bus each other early game, then ride on this distancing until end game. (spoiler: That's mostly how mafia acts in normal games as well).
Mafia who cover each other no matter what is rare.

~ Wizard Enchanticus

I sometimes forget to sign up so if message looks like brainrot it's probably me.

By me i mean Wizard Enchanticus

PEDIT: I don't know what dumbtell you are about. Blood is in fact correct: Bussing teammate ends game.

~ Wizard Enchanticus

Put the flask down doc. Context clues should be telling you quite clearly that 135 means that bussing (as in, voting a scumbuddy) early game is viable, and 140 (and blood's post for that matter) that a bus succesfully landing (as in, causing a lim) ends the game. Which, as it turns out, is no contradiction
~b

[White Lotus]

Why does this seem like you're jumping from "if there is scum on me, mirrored is scum" to "mirrored is scum" (i.e. assuming the "if" condition, in other words assuming there is a scum voting you)?

Admittedly, your read on me, which is under hypothetical conditions at this time, only becomes clearer later in the quoted post and your posts after that.

Because the read was forced, mostly to get everyone talking, especially you

which it seems like you understand already.

At this point my read on you is pretty null. UNVOTE:

Black & White Lotus, what are your thoughts on each other?

You must be confabulating with Enchant to force a ban on mafSepia. Those are probably the worst colours to read on yellowish beige

Personally not really a fan of Black. Her whole interaction with you kinda looks meh
~b

[White Lotus]

Did you not understand my issue and why I called it a contradiction?

Both what Sunflower and what Blood said could be construed as a dumb tell, yet Enchant only called one out.

Admittedly saying Sunflower was dumb telling especially since it was the first real 'read' of the game made me think Enchant was town, but how they, and now you', are dancing around Blood seems sketch to me.

You are right, I don't understand your issue. What blood said is not a dumbtell, at least not by my definition; that would require blood to say something mechanically false which just didn't happen.

Btw, what do you rekon scum!we are shadowly doing here? Is blood our buddy?
~b

[White Lotus]

Did you not understand my issue and why I called it a contradiction?

Both what Sunflower and what Blood said could be construed as a dumb tell, yet Enchant only called one out.

Admittedly saying Sunflower was dumb telling especially since it was the first real 'read' of the game made me think Enchant was town, but how they, and now you', are dancing around Blood seems sketch to me.

You are right, I don't understand your issue. What blood said is not a dumbtell, at least not by my definition; that would require blood to say something mechanically false which just didn't happen.

Btw, what do you rekon scum!we are shadowly doing here? Is blood our buddy?
~b

Well it wasn't 'we', it was Enchant. And this isn't an argument about whether Blood, or Sunflower, was dumb telling or not.

Enchant called out Jupiter(Sunflower) for a perceived dumb tell, but not Blood for something that can definitely be called a dumb tell.

Ok Drew trolling at this point.

We can go 1vs1 in this case.

VOTE: Drew

~ Wizard Enchanticus

[White Lotus]

For those around, main argument these 200IQ use is statement on not existing "dumbtell" even drew can't pinpoint exactly on direct request, continuing posting stupid emoji to annoy me.


My statement first hand can't be contradiction, i announced what mafia probably would do. THEN i suspected Sun for different ever reason. It's like considering post
"I like Oranges.

I like Apples."

Contradiction, which is stupid as fuck. It's not town Drew, he doing it on purpose to bullshit some case on me. OR annoy me. Whatever case, he should cease existing in this thread.


For totally idiots.
Pretending that mafia does have NK is dumbtell.

Questioning why mafia would bus if they lose is NOT dumbtell.

Difference in second case there's no pretence that you don't have information that mafia 100% should.

~ Wizard Enchanticus

[White Lotus]

From what I've seen of Drew he tends to latch on to weird details and annoy people as town. I haven't played in any games where he was scum but I read one of them and he seemed a lot more cautious. Maybe Drew is wrong about you but I decided to vote you because my 2 top town reads are already voting you.

@White Lotus

Are you laying blame for being wrong on these townreads, or why you search excuses and ping me to look at them? It ceirtanly made me feel better, you are not to blame, it's those two townreads.

~ Wizard Enchanticus

[White Lotus]

Ah yes, Enchant+Bianco mafia team you got us

~ Wizard Enchanticus

[White Lotus]

From what I've seen of Drew he tends to latch on to weird details and annoy people as town. I haven't played in any games where he was scum but I read one of them and he seemed a lot more cautious. Maybe Drew is wrong about you but I decided to vote you because my 2 top town reads are already voting you.

@White Lotus

Y'know, I do agree with you that Drew does that sometimes. But he isn't obtuse, like he is overwhelmingly being here.

It is possible our definitions of a dumb tell are different, since I believed Blood's post about scum bussing was weird since it seemed obvious that you weren't talking about an actual full buss

That is the issue I had with you and that you didn't push back on Blood

Like, that's exactly that sort of obtuse shit. Even if you have a bizarro definition in mind, you would have realized that aeons ago when Enchant was obviously confused from the start on whether the hell the thing you were rambling about even was
~b

[White Lotus]

Did you not understand my issue and why I called it a contradiction?

Both what Sunflower and what Blood said could be construed as a dumb tell, yet Enchant only called one out.

Admittedly saying Sunflower was dumb telling especially since it was the first real 'read' of the game made me think Enchant was town, but how they, and now you', are dancing around Blood seems sketch to me.

You are right, I don't understand your issue. What blood said is not a dumbtell, at least not by my definition; that would require blood to say something mechanically false which just didn't happen.

Btw, what do you rekon scum!we are shadowly doing here? Is blood our buddy?
~b

Well it wasn't 'we', it was Enchant. And this isn't an argument about whether Blood, or Sunflower, was dumb telling or not.

Enchant called out Jupiter(Sunflower) for a perceived dumb tell, but not Blood for something that can definitely be called a dumb tell.

Ok Drew trolling at this point.

We can go 1vs1 in this case.

VOTE: Drew

~ Wizard Enchanticus

I don't think Enchant actually believes Drew is scum here. And I especially don't think the read is strong enough to declare a 1v1. This reaction seems over the top

After discussion we decided that Drew is NOT 100% totally mafia.

We still go with 1vs1, because even on that offchance that Drew is town, he does everything to harm our faction. We need every townie to agree to on voting mafia member. Drew obviously too busy trolling and being nuisance. Just to clarify, even i ceased fooling around for this game. That's how you gonna reward me huh?

Besides if he was "hesitated" he would unvote us already, not leaving us at E-1. It's simple words thrown around to look cautious. In particular i believe that Drew is mafia stronger than Bianco does.


I am not interested in continueing this discuss. I acknowlidge that most likely we lose this 1vs1, and you probably still not gonna vote Drew after.

If Drew is town i wish you luck in figuring out where mafia decided to sit. If anything i am ready to compromise of Bloodbot (by compromise i mean i will NOT be that much angry if you vote out Bloodbot next day regardless of what faction Bloodbot will end up being, i am too lazy to start wagon here today and see no point).

~ Wizard Enchanticus

[White Lotus]

62 is WL's first substantial post. I don't like the contradiction between disliking dumbtells while making "smarttells" yourself (if I may coin that word). As you might guess from the previous post, though, I can't make much from this beyond that this is a single scum-tilting post. However, they haven't responded to my further questioning in 154 either (correct me if I'm wrong) - the lack of acknowledgment is what really worries me and why my questioning can be taken as successful.

The lack of acknowledgement is due to there being nothing that needed acknowledged. I'm not the one you asked, but frankly I fail to see how engaging in (as you call it) "smarttelling" (which in reality is just... stating publicly available mechs) is in any way contradictory with a stated distaste for dumbtells. Ig I can see what do you mean by them being "inverse" behaviours in some sense but... ok, so.

And yes, while I'm personally less convinced then my other head on Drew scumminess, this needs to be a 1v1 at this point. In the off chance that Drew is town, we still wouldn't want both him and us to be alive d2 as there would be nil chance for town to blocvote a scum then
~b