Open 909 | A Newbie Game | Game Over

[Ydrasse]

i am here to provide a perfect example of what not to do in a mafia game

[Ydrasse]

of course

have you noticed already the first step i have taken this will be on the quiz

[Ydrasse]

i don't do that... anymore

NEXT

[Ydrasse]

^ a good mafia roleblocker partner

[Ydrasse]

origin of symmetry is my favorite album ever

[Ydrasse]

origin of symmetry is my favorite album ever

Holy shit best friend spotted

(Black Holes still clears tho)

i have recently concluded that black holes and revelations is their 2nd best album i used to think it was absolution for a very long while but i did a relisten and i thought that it was kind of boring. bhar is much more fun and Interesting in what it does

[Ydrasse]

origin of symmetry is my favorite album ever

Holy shit best friend spotted

(Black Holes still clears tho)

i have recently concluded that black holes and revelations is their 2nd best album i used to think it was absolution for a very long while but i did a relisten and i thought that it was kind of boring. bhar is much more fun and Interesting in what it does

Several Muse albums come close for me but BHAR will probably always be my fav because Knights of Cydonia is what got me into them + it's a 6-min song that somehow doesn't feel that way at all

(If this makes you think I'm a cultured music guy please don't, this is the only "real" band I follow lmao)

i sadly do not think of muse as Culture these days (or ever really lol) because their last few albums were mediocre to really bad but the first four. magical. effervescent. ahead of their time. etc etc

[Ydrasse]

also in honor of being a Bad Role Model i probably will start "playing" when it slows down past the new game giggles

[Ydrasse]

now -Y- would i do something so nefarious as that...

[Ydrasse]

Ha

Btw JV, I abbreviated halfasleep's name exactly once, the other times it was supposed to be fake laughing.

Anyway StraightFlush help me build a semi-serious wagon which as it builds up will generate alignment indicative content.

Not unreasonable. VOTE: Ydrasse

I find it interesting how narrow she chose to make the scope of her involvement in RVS.

how does interesting equate to being a vote worthy behavior in this instance

[Ydrasse]

Ha

Btw JV, I abbreviated halfasleep's name exactly once, the other times it was supposed to be fake laughing.

Anyway StraightFlush help me build a semi-serious wagon which as it builds up will generate alignment indicative content.

Not unreasonable. VOTE: Ydrasse

I find it interesting how narrow she chose to make the scope of her involvement in RVS.

how does interesting equate to being a vote worthy behavior in this instance

Hi Ydra I don't think I've ever read you successfully and I'm interested in starting to read you successfully. Any tips and tricks?

Alternatively if that's boring, here's a different question: if you had to give each player in this game a warrior cat name what would you name each one?

in like 2/3 days if i’m still alive just look at what i’ve done this game action wise and what i’ve pushed if i’ve pushed anything

i will do the wc later

[Ydrasse]

HA also voted for 3 people before voting herself tho

Not sure how relevant this is but I did want to point out she self voted twice during the RVS period, once at the start and then again later.

My only solid read last night after reflecting on the thread was a townread on DE70 for trying to push out of RVS. I can get behind a halfasleep wagon but I just woke up and I'm not sure where the votes are at and don't want to put her in range of a hammer before she returns to give us content to work with.

I believe this to be a town post

[Ydrasse]

VOTE: DargonEater70

wait I literally just realised he's not a dragon but actually a dragon eater what the actual fuck

Right??? it's really disappointing
I also agree with the thought that DE70 is scum, which is always true no matter the situation

You're late! We speedran RVS already!

Nooooo
Why do you think it wasn't serious?

You're catching up now right, surely that question is answering itself as you read

No i meant the fact dragoneater70 is scum

oh

I don't have a serious read on them so I assumed no one else did either

nervous sweating

Don't worry, I'm sure you're town!
I'm just really good at playing mafia so i know it (no)

purple what did you mean by this post

[Ydrasse]

the “im sure you’re town” part was a joke?

[Ydrasse]

I didn't really put my mind to it
He is more leaning to town in my mind right now

okay. because there’s two interpretations to you saying that
one is like the reassuring “im sure you’re town” and thre other is the firm “im sure you’re town” and one of these is clearly more worrisome than the other

why is straight a townlean for you?

[Ydrasse]

I didn't really put my mind to it
He is more leaning to town in my mind right now

okay. because there’s two interpretations to you saying that
one is like the reassuring “im sure you’re town” and thre other is the firm “im sure you’re town” and one of these is clearly more worrisome than the other

why is straight a townlean for you?

It was the first one, not secend

His posts feel more town then scum, and its kinda make sense
maybe i'll change my mind later

like it makes sense to you?
i’m assuming that without any other explanation this is just a vibe sort of read

[Ydrasse]

yes yes the children are voting me without explanation as the texts demand

[Ydrasse]

why focus on that instead of providing said missing explanation

[Ydrasse]

this is a sincere word of advice: it truly helps to approach things in mafia in good faith rather than shutting down lines of communication even if small things bother you

a lot of the players here are mafia babies to me. newbies. it is not a direct comment on You As A Child

[Ydrasse]

and furthermore: i personally as a player won’t respond much to a wagon like this so if you actually want something from me you’re going to have to put in a bit more of an effort to explain so i can respond or directly ask things of me

[Ydrasse]

deaf ears alas

and yes that’s what i did when i started

[Ydrasse]

you are in a game for new players and i’m going to give advice im unsure what else you could expect from something like this

regardless if this is how you choose to interact with me rather than a way that is… actually productive, when offered i’ll give you that space

[Ydrasse]

awakened awareness is a perk i never use

[Ydrasse]

well it’s the only way i have unfortunately

if it’s not wanted i’ll just let it be

[Ydrasse]

!

[Ydrasse]

!!!!!

[Ydrasse]

i don’t usually care about the beginning of a game and just wanted to talk about muse

[Ydrasse]

i used to be a lot more “social” posty during the beginning of the game but it really contributes nothing to my personal solving. i usually give games some time and then pick out what i want to deal with after

also more importantly, dead by daylight

[Ydrasse]

but i get that it can seem weird to not engage w that aspect of the game

i guess if you want to analyze like. the feeling of paranoia over it or break it down id ask for an explanation as to what my motivation would be if i was a wolf. am i trying to buddy a single person to leverage that later? am i afraid of being too awkward tonally because i have Too Much Information? etc

because i can dialogue about that stuff more if theres a want to dive deeper otherwise . well. Well.

[Ydrasse]

but i get that it can seem weird to not engage w that aspect of the game

i guess if you want to analyze like. the feeling of paranoia over it or break it down id ask for an explanation as to what my motivation would be if i was a wolf. am i trying to buddy a single person to leverage that later? am i afraid of being too awkward tonally because i have Too Much Information? etc

because i can dialogue about that stuff more if theres a want to dive deeper otherwise . well. Well.

Buddying yes, I wouldn’t expect the awkwardness feeling from you since you seem to be very experienced.

okay, so how would i leverage talking about muse with you?
did that sort of conversation make you feel like. more inclined to follow me at all?

unfortunately this conversation here is cut short by virtue of it coming up before things could “really” get into the situation but i think there’s enough content enough to maybe gauge if you feel i’ve done that or not

[Ydrasse]

also because it’s relevant now i don’t know if dragon was explicitly appealing to me or not in this game by backing me up and trying to engage with me but it felt a tinge strange. i’ve been letting things play out before saying anything because i am prone to doubting people on stuff like this

[Ydrasse]

i’m keeping my suspicions closer to heart for a bit longer

[Ydrasse]

it’s neutrality atm

[Ydrasse]

i am going to hedge again and say i’m not convinced that half is a wolf but will not impede the wagon. Have fun

it would also break my heart to vote skitter so early

[Ydrasse]

skitter and i have the same eyes

[Ydrasse]

skitter and i have the same eyes

Hmmm?

>.>

[Ydrasse]

VOTE: straightflush

[Ydrasse]

i am here to provide a perfect example of what not to do in a mafia game

VOTE: Ydrasse

might be scum anticipating failure

VOTE: ketchup777
Do you really think that’s a realistic thing to think in this group, this sounds like scum trying to wagon off a poor townie

Ha

Btw JV, I abbreviated halfasleep's name exactly once, the other times it was supposed to be fake laughing.

Anyway StraightFlush help me build a semi-serious wagon which as it builds up will generate alignment indicative content.

Not unreasonable. VOTE: Ydrasse

I find it interesting how narrow she chose to make the scope of her involvement in RVS.

VOTE: KayJayQueue

why

Reaction testing.

That feels a tad premature to say

True! They have ignored it completely. I feel like I have done nothing

Jackson stop.

Your commenting on my posts has 0 value. If you think I'm scum vote me. I don't think you think I'm scum though.

With all due respect, don’t tell me to stop. I don’t care what YOU think has 0 value.

I believe there’s a chance you’re apprehensive to put your foot down and actually do something yet blabbing on about how important it is to do. I see value in it, so I’m doing it.

Moving on

Tbf it's very obvious why DE is fishing for support before taking major action, his own reads are fragile and I'd probably do the same if I were angling for a TL status. It's annoying but understandable

VOTE: DragonEater70

How dare you cast your dragon voodoo magic on us

i don’t feel like straightflush is putting in a genuine effort as per my cherrypicked examples to solve and his dragon vote was nasty because it’s a jokey add on to a real push that was happening that absolves responsibility

[Ydrasse]

I still don't ger why you're voting ydra either

obstinate town who digs in their heels when presented something that they don’t like whether or not it’s terribly AI

vote straight with me?

[Ydrasse]

i don’t really think skitter is town
half’s contributions to the game were fine and seem excitable new player enjoying the atmosphere there wasn’t any awkwardness in how they interacted w people

skitter is defending a townread that i think is probably correct im not 100% on dragon being town but i think dragon is being moody in a way he wouldn’t as wolf

[Ydrasse]

i’m weak and exhausted from contributing now

[Ydrasse]

i don’t really think skitter is town
half’s contributions to the game were fine and seem excitable new player enjoying the atmosphere there wasn’t any awkwardness in how they interacted w people

skitter is defending a townread that i think is probably correct im not 100% on dragon being town but i think dragon is being moody in a way he wouldn’t as wolf

I am confused by how the first sentence works with the rest of the post and/or with the vote on flush (unless it's a typo?)

my beloved phone exists to sabotage me

[Ydrasse]

Ydra is my third strong townread though

i thought you couldn’t read me well

[Ydrasse]

okay so why do you think i am town

you do realize how it looks saying that after causing a wagon that is now competing with yours i assume lol

[Ydrasse]

you do realize how it looks saying that after causing a wagon that is now competing with yours i assume lol

Do you think it's scummy to townread a person who is defending you?

not always but the optics mean it’s important to ask further imo

[Ydrasse]

WDYM by optics?

simply how it looks
which is it is convenient if you are wolf, even if you are not a wolf taking the action

that’s thre sort of thing worth interrogating further

[Ydrasse]

that post was not for the benefit of getting you to townread me

bluntly i don’t think you are willing to at this moment or maybe not in this game at all and at a certain point i shrug. can’t win em all

[Ydrasse]

I’m masons with hem

[Ydrasse]

Oops

[Ydrasse]

unless ydrasse fixed core issues with her playstyle, i lean towards her being town. as scum, her playfulness drains to zero.

i don’t actually know if this is the correct interpretation of my play so i’m curious what games it’s from

[Ydrasse]

I will trust HEM's meta read for now until I have a reason not to.

this is a little curious given that i started the wagon on you that is currently happening lol

[Ydrasse]

i think it’s a strange reaction not that it’s not a scumread because i often read people who push me, but rather the absence of engagement with me at all regarding it especially if straight thinks i’m town.

if it was one vote i think it’s less of a concern and i often ignore 1/2 votes but it’s more of a wagon here

[Ydrasse]

i suppose the difference it would make in my eyes in reverse situation is that i cared enough to campaign to someone else to join me etc

[Ydrasse]

I am in fact trying to get the power roles to reveal themselves. I admit my guilt.

[Ydrasse]

A wagon with two votes is not actually a wagon. Dragon's slot hardly counts when Dragon quit like a coward. Bias check, Ydra.

the same slot expressed that they would like to keep the vote on you as their first read so :? whatever way to not qualify dragons vote (which imo is bad because dragon was a player who posted a lot and should be read)… it’s still there in intent

[Ydrasse]

It very much added fuel to my skitter scumread, seeing how malleable she seemed to be with that request to join the SF vote.

even if she expressed suspicion of sf before i did…?

[Ydrasse]

hmmmmm Ok

[Ydrasse]

I’m masons with hem

while funny this feels like it could be trying to bait a PR. I thought it was srs and I nearly revealed my slot (be that vanilla or power you choose) at this. bit sus

also are you explicitly suspicious of one or both of me and hem because i didn’t start that interaction

[Ydrasse]

I am going to eat sushi

[Ydrasse]

that was horrendous sushi btw really gonna have to cop some more from a better place

[Ydrasse]

i'll be around later tonight or tmrw

[Ydrasse]

can someone actually explain why not posting in rvs is wolfy again

[Ydrasse]

can someone actually explain why not posting in rvs is wolfy again

idk sit back and observe the others rather than having nothing to worry about people overanalysing and diving straight in feels more like scummy

isn't the absence of participation more conspicuous - i did post but i didn't even bother to vote. isn't that more likely to be scrutinized than just blending in
doubly so for a group of people who (experience assumed) are going to be going for, i guess, more 'obvious' wolfy behavior

beyond that, for me in particular i rarely engage much in rvs it's boring to me

[Ydrasse]

UNVOTE:

i think straight's being acerbic isn't terribly wolfy

[Ydrasse]

For Ydrasse vs Skitter, I think Ydrasse‘s minimal involvement in RvS was worse than halfasleep‘s double self-vote with the funny cross-eyed 'I hope this is who I meant to vote' post

[Ydrasse]

strategically breaking the site so i can re-enter at the same time as skitter

[Ydrasse]

KayJayQueue

skitter30

ketchup777

Ydrasse

zachheus
JacksonVirgo

humaneatingmonkey

Purplemango

StraightFlush

p-edit VOTE: purplemango

[Ydrasse]

i would probably put zach in the green tier too but its less than the start of the game. probably one of those reads that needs upkeep

[Ydrasse]

Ydra you aren't townreading ketchup?

i haven't been paying as much attention lately (in fact due to the many pages and also weekends means more afk)
i feel like if i had to townread something it would be sheer amount o f posts but i honestly havent paid as much attention to them as i should

[Ydrasse]

i think im maybe leery from how fast everyone said he was town early on too because i didnt get there the same way

[Ydrasse]

i think im maybe leery from how fast everyone said he was town early on too because i didnt get there the same way

Were you ever townreading him

eeeeeh
null probably

[Ydrasse]

A purple wagon starting after I give an in-depth analysis on him, yet no actual response to that post. So what prompted the purple vote specifically?

i townread other ppl more and a townread asked if purple was a potential

[Ydrasse]

Ydra y r u townreading me

i didnt think that half was really wolfy and your vibes seem okay for now
i think it's a little awkward when the like .. in thread you post these things before me like noticing straight's vote earlier and then moving off but fmpov we're reaching the same conclusions around the same time which feels good to me

[Ydrasse]

if the funny answer would make u feel better im choosing to pocket you and you alone and we will go to final 3 together

[Ydrasse]

: )

[Ydrasse]

my 2 min quickdraw analysis of purple is that his primary concern seems to be answering people in a way that they want rather than in a hunt-y way

[Ydrasse]

hedgy otoh i think that behavior can come from newer town a bit more being very like... "i am going to go with this person's take more because i don't have the confidence yet"

[Ydrasse]

hemmington this is not worth it imo

[Ydrasse]

hemmington this is not worth it imo

what makes you say?

Short answer: yes

what's so stuck up about us? is it just in comparison to jackson who has been l i v e and f u n?

i think this line of questioning does little if anyithing to improve this game atm

[Ydrasse]

as in the way it's being said

it's just not .. helpful

[Ydrasse]

as in the way it's being said

it's just not .. helpful

Do you think the connection between you three and the rest is particularly healthy for the game as it stands?

i still don't understand what nebulous connection this is supposed to be other than familiarity and not posting as much

[Ydrasse]

pensive

[Ydrasse]

can someone unvote until we get a replacement and claim ty

[Ydrasse]

and what happens if it reveals a power role

[Ydrasse]

oh hey that actually got through the site going down

[Ydrasse]

idk maybe i’m being too sympathetic to skitterslot because i think i get it but also i think it isn’t good to vote rn. getting a replacement who can say more and if wolf spew more out stuff is beneficial

also i would be annoyed if it was a power role who didn’t get to do their thing because we voted before asking

[Ydrasse]

can someone unvote until we get a replacement and claim ty

I am very tempted to hammer, I don’t want more subs to impact the game. I loathe the effect it’s had

i am aware that you dislike the outside influences that we have had to deal with in them but i would really appreciate it if you could allow the slot to claim if nothing else

[Ydrasse]

it could be a mafia flip in which case my catastrophizing is for not but i prefer to play cautiously these days

[Ydrasse]

also full disclosure atp i’m reading skitter more off of emotion and vibes than logic (even if i do still think it’s good we reached similar thoughts at the same time) and i’m still not even sure what the case against her is in either regard

like a succinct version of it i feel i can conjure that for most slots in this game but i’m just left confused over this wagon personally

[Ydrasse]

if the rep doesn’t post or claim we just kill them there is nothing stopping us at this point

[Ydrasse]

and if they do claim a power role at that point everyone gets to decide if they believe whatever this person is saying or not. and you can still kill them

[Ydrasse]

UNVOTE:

[Ydrasse]

for context i unvoted purple because the comment about it being funny to hammer made me smile and spoke to my heart

[Ydrasse]

for context i unvoted purple because the comment about it being funny to hammer made me smile and spoke to my heart

oh? i thought it was because you were afraid repin speedwagons purple

i have a kinship with people who are willing to do the funniest thing possible in a game

[Ydrasse]

no idea where you’re getting that from

[Ydrasse]

that post was a reply to the former but it can be applied to both tbh

[Ydrasse]

can only briefly pop in rn (ty site for dying yesterday) but i don’t think i’m interested in jv wagon rn will read up in a bit etc

don’t really feel good about any vote right now which is unpleasant

[Ydrasse]

beetlejuice

i've mostly been letting the day play out atp until people were over it and snivy said what they wanted because the writing's on the wall imo. i dislike what i am about to say in principle but i do feel like even if snivy is town (personally i feel eh about this at this point) killing the slot allows this game to not stagnate more than it has

[Ydrasse]

i'll hammer tomorrow morning if no one else has anything to add

[Ydrasse]

eugh

i know i said i would hammer but i really don't want to hammer this idk
playing a lot more with my heart right now than with my head

[Ydrasse]

idk i'm very detached right now but reading over purple it does bother me that he doesn't ever really explicitly say that he has scumreads
like there's pools he would vote in/out of sure but it feels like every attempt to post reads is like either "idk" or "town" which i often see from wolves who are unsure of how to actually push townies because they know theyre being town and doing Town Things and lying can be hard

i'm weighing that against also being someone who atm is like "lol idk" when it comes to what the wolf team is tho

[Ydrasse]

and on the other hand, of which i have many, i dont know if there is a "towny" bar if snivy is town this game that can ever be cleared to stop people focusing on the slot

if they are town like yes wolves are clearly putting in work to make sure that bar cn't be cleared

idk

[Ydrasse]

i've seen some arguments recently that snivy is town due to the resistance against the wagon but there's only two wolves so i am kind of curious where people things these points of resistance are if they're making that argument

like i would probably identify myself as one if someone wants to put that to the test but like, hem is definitely one too and that is three people including snivy. i don't think that this resistance is like... hm. i don't think that's a compelling argument to me for this game to be analyzed atm because there's a majority of townies if snivy is a wolf who could push this through etc

this has just been on my mind idk the relevance but i would rather post it than let it fester in my brain

[Ydrasse]

VOTE: snivy