Open 904: DE Runs a Marathon Setup in the Open Queue [Completed]

[tris]

much to think about. i'll be available in a moment

[tris]

damn so i made the right choice initially on day 1

[tris]

my first thought is its black, but hellbooks could have been doin a bunch of bussing

[tris]

this is suddenly fun. i wish we had more time

[tris]

Yeah I think it's either Tris or hellbooks

I think I agree the fire iso pockets hellbooks and dances around tris. They also try to pull in jv into the game.

fire was pocketting me

[tris]

Yeah I think it's either Tris or hellbooks

I think I agree the fire iso pockets hellbooks and dances around tris. They also try to pull in jv into the game.

like actually, how was fire pocketting hellbooks?

[tris]

Now that we know Ranger/JV is scum I don't really think we can clear Jupiter for not knowing who replaced JV. If Ranger were town I think this would have been more believable

wouldn't it be the other way around? scum jupiter would have more awareness of who his scumbuddies were.

Dann was pretty convinced Jupiter was town though and I generally trust his reads, so this is tough

i agree

[tris]

I'm thinking of switching to fire and trying to convince tris to hammer.

black out of curisoity did you see the PC putting themself at e-1 thing

VOTE: PC

I think the way fire sus'd PC initially for this and then walked that back may implicate PC as a fire partner

This association read is strengthened by PC's recent post saying he wants to switch to fire. It feels performative

thats funny because i think you're a pc partner

calling bluff let's find out

VOTE: pc

if its tris fire then this is actually like unbelievably unfortunate

this could point to black scum. its an incredibly bold move if so tho

[tris]

Now that we know Ranger/JV is scum I don't really think we can clear Jupiter for not knowing who replaced JV. If Ranger were town I think this would have been more believable

wouldn't it be the other way around? scum jupiter would have more awareness of who his scumbuddies were.

Dann was pretty convinced Jupiter was town though and I generally trust his reads, so this is tough

i agree

I guess I'm thinking it's more likely for Jupiter to fake this if it involves his scumbuddy

ah

[tris]

my gut still says hellbooks is town

[tris]

an important question is why fire decided to hammer. if black is scum, ALL of the other wagons were on scum. so i guess that would be a reason. but, they always had to option to bus. they choose not to. i wonder who mafia hopes for pc to hammer here

[tris]

I don't really feel great about tris either lol.

sowwy

[tris]

in fact my hammer seems to only have gone through when I said I was going to switch to fire and try to convince tris to join.

black moved off after you said this

[tris]

i have had the thought. what if fire was trying to frame black

[tris]

i wish i hadn't unvoted fire

[tris]

i just was afraid of the day ending before i could get my bearrings better

[tris]

like, i had not been doing the work to firm up my ideas and read and stuff, so i unvoted to give myself time to think

[tris]

i was planning on diving in a bit more yesterday evening

[tris]

lemme uh, check ISO and see if PC/Black is more or less likely. give me a sec,

I know Black and JV were sitting on the same wagon together on me but in the timeframe when JV got more inactive Black rescinded wagon on me. I'll have to see if my estimates are right or not

If im reading this correctly then Jupiter would be faking the replacement thing from this point
sobasically jupiter is like "ok heres how were gonna get a lim on Political Clout. i am going to fake a misunderstanding in subtle ways for 5 days while also just like voting other people"
it just like really doesnt seem likely to me

yeah

[tris]

i think this pair of players leaving makes sense for all the possible teams unfortunately

[tris]

{usesPython}
{Dannflor}
{hellbooks}
{JupiterXV, fireisredsir, tris}
{Black, Political Clout}

lol

lol!

[tris]

i gotta go. but i'll be back in about an hour

[tris]

ok so the arguments in favor of tris scum
- careful seeming bussing of JV and fire
- trying to slow down the game maybe demonstrative of fearing assassin
- black's flailing here feels kind of towny but admittedly i dont know meta

arguments in favor of black scum
- PC counter wagon timing after serious hammer threat to fire
- more unwilling to rule jupiter out which might be towny critical thinking but would also probably be a necessary move to get cover after the PC wagon plus leaving more options open

undecided
- ranger black post wagon interaction... but the thing is fire & black were also kind of like doing a simultaneous opposite theater preformance that was also happening. yeah maybe. plausibly all three scum just jump in the thread and do excessive bits of theatre to try and reclaim the position they sacrificed in order to protect fire lim. i kind of had this pet theory that black was pretending to townread fire in hopes that he is convinced to try to endgame which seems not to be true

im leaning tris

oh dear

[tris]

- trying to slow down the game maybe demonstrative of fearing assassin

i understand this perspective but it was simply that i am afraid of voting if i haven't done the work. i waaaas going to engage yesterday evening, but there's no way i can prove that

[tris]

Jupiter if you assume for a second that I'm town then who do you think it is between Tris/hellbooks?

tris, reaction to PC is strange

how so?

[tris]

VOTE: hellbooks

:0

[tris]

its like 60 40 tris for me
the problem is i just keep coming up with alternate explanations for things and finding them believable

what lessened your earlier town read on me?

[tris]

i dont remember her ever being like "im gonna go back and read so that i can come up with some good ideas" the way she did here, feels like pretty similar thing JV did

aren't i always saying stuff like this?

[tris]

hellbooks, i thought i selected all the right dialog options to pocket you :(

[tris]

i am a mirror image of hellbooks where i think its between black and helb

[tris]

hellbooks's thoughts here all line up really well. that alligns with why i was townreading her before.

[tris]

hah

[tris]

sorry i never keep track of pagetops

[tris]

unless i'm the mod

[tris]

yall are so scummy lmao

sorry!!!!!

[tris]

thinking back to how fire didn't vote hammer when she first had the chance. couldn't she have gotten out with ranger then and leave behind hellbooks or black? this is something that could indicate that jupiter is actually the scum. but, maybe she was afraid political clout was bluffing. yeah i don't think this is a strong point. there's a lot of reasons fire could have hesitated

[tris]

there's room to believe in jupiter there, i think my reasons for townreading jupiter outweigh that

[tris]

im feeling rly confident that tris is town from p82

hellbooks, i urgently need to know what happened to this

[tris]

you guys ready to vote? I think I am.

nope!

[tris]

something tells me this is the right move VOTE: tris[/s]

i forgot about this!

[tris]

VOTE: virgo while i re-evaluate

good morning hellbooks UNVOTE:

tris can you explain why you voted for Virgo initially and also why you unvoted?

i voted because i had little reason to townread them i think. i unvoted probably because of the wall they had posted about jupiter. not sure why i didn't vote somewhere else.

i should consider the merits of returning my vote to JV

if i were forced to vote right this moment, i would vote for black. alright night night!

And why did you decide you would rather fade me over him?

i forgot that i scum read you a little bit there. oh right. you had seemed less engaged than last time. you seemed to have less of the so called fire in you.

[tris]

VC 2.05

Votecount 2.05

Political Clout (2):

Ranger, JupiterXV

[E-2]

fireisredsir (2):

hellbooks, Black

[E-2]

Black (2):

fireisredsir, Political Clout

[E-2]

Not Voting (1):

tris

With 7 players alive, it takes 4 votes to secure an elimination.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2024-03-02 17:24:00).

Mod notes:

• Fun fact: This game filled up within a single day, and I was so excited by that, that I posted about it both on site chat and on discord. I'm still a little excited about it.
  
• I wonder when Dannflor is gonna put something funny in my signature

this is an interesting vote count if black is scum

[tris]

oh shit im still reading

[tris]

VC 2.05

Votecount 2.05

Political Clout (2):

Ranger, JupiterXV

[E-2]

fireisredsir (2):

hellbooks, Black

[E-2]

Black (2):

fireisredsir, Political Clout

[E-2]

Not Voting (1):

tris

With 7 players alive, it takes 4 votes to secure an elimination.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2024-03-02 17:24:00).

Mod notes:

• Fun fact: This game filled up within a single day, and I was so excited by that, that I posted about it both on site chat and on discord. I'm still a little excited about it.
  
• I wonder when Dannflor is gonna put something funny in my signature

this is an interesting vote count if black is scum

someone is bussing fire here as long as jupiter is town

[tris]

ngl, i feel nervous about black having made her decision already

[tris]

hellbooks specifically looked for interest in voting fire,

black later jumps on with a real possibility that was going to make the wagon viable

[tris]

i thought tris reminding me of how i townread her before the flips was just not really a good response like of course i remember that its just that i reconsidered

well im asking you because i want to know why! like what changed in your thinking. none of your posts really aknowledged the town read you had had on me before.

[tris]

ngl, i feel nervous about black having made her decision already

I'm not around much during the evenings and I can't read anymore tonight. We don't really have much time

fair

[tris]

If I'm wrong, oh well. I didn't really have a good grasp on this game anyway. I'm happy I was right about fire and Ranger though

maybe its clear in the thread but, i dont recall right now. why did you vote pc?

[tris]

i dont know how to respond to black bc the only thing i can think of is like "well ofc she finds a bunch of stuff when PC says its between black and hellbooks" but i just dont see it that way

i didnt rly scrutinize fire at the start of the game bc i thought i would have a rly hard time sorting him. like that was gonna be the endgame problem for me

this is what i was assuming your process with fire was

[tris]

black out of curisoity did you see the PC putting themself at e-1 thing

Nope

Just looked back though and yeah that doesn't look good

ah right

[tris]

why did you move away from voting fire to voting for someone who might be fire's partner right as that player was floating the idea of voting fire

[tris]

before hellbooks was "bussing" fire, she was "bussing" ranger

[tris]

if hellbooks is scum, she's been distancing herself from her partners since like the end of day 1

[tris]

im not sure why hellbooks tries to turn things on me as scum here

[tris]

well i guess she keeps her options open

[tris]

hellbooks 100% town. not 99% but 100 per cents

black is probably town

damn

[tris]

hellbooks there;s still time for the mustard

[tris]

it seems very reasonable to me that that scum team would position hellbooks to win it in the long run

[tris]

urghhh. i feel like everything hellbooks has done makes sense.

[tris]

hmm, but i guess it's easy to generate scumreads on your team mates. and this is a set up which encourages scum to have one teammate who is meant to go deep

[tris]

I'm sure she's quite the scum player

I don't think my play would have been this bad if I were scum. I take pride in my scum games

yeah i am starting to think that you are messier in a way that town would be

[tris]

hmm, but i guess it's easy to generate scumreads on your team mates. and this is a set up which encourages scum to have one teammate who is meant to go deep

I had this thought when it seemed like fire generated his hellbooks scumread out of mid-air. And then he just like...forgot about it or something

where was that?

[tris]

ok!

[tris]

im scum

[tris]

ok sorry i feel bad for crashing your hopes. im actually town

[tris]

sounds like you are town though!

[tris]

hellbooks lost because she didnt get the mustard in time

[tris]

Wait fr??

Jupiter are you town too

yes

[tris]

ferret thing??

[tris]

im glad the mustard was alright. sometimes i squirt mustard on my hand to just eat it like that

[tris]

great game everyone! this was fun. good playerlist

[tris]

omg what if jupiter won

[tris]

well, actually jupiter won regardless lol

[tris]

congrats to jupiter, the only player who i know for sure won

[tris]

if this is right, i'm glad i eventually escaped from the trap of townreading wellwritten posts

[tris]

you lied there is a post right there it says burger

[tris]

that was not some light trolling there tris you gave me a fucking heart attack

im so sorry!!!!

[tris]

good job team!

[tris]

i credit dann for helping me settle on town reading jupiter at the end

[tris]

hellbooks really had me pocketed for a while

[tris]

yes you will

[tris]

woohoo!

[tris]

you did it

[tris]

im happy that i got some motivation in me for the end of the game

[tris]

how do i find linguistic tells

[tris]

that hellbooks post sucked me in for a while

[tris]

still have a bunch of the mafia pt to read

[tris]

i like conspiracy

[tris]

im horrible at marathons but have played them sometimes

[tris]

well i hope tris sees it too. tris make sure you see it