Open 901 - Normal Idea Mafia Redux - Postgame

[Hu Tao]

Hi.

[Hu Tao]

Clap just got banned lol? So no response for me I guess

I'm sorry but this is hilarious

[Hu Tao]

@Black

, since you said I put in words what you were thinking. Thoughts on what I concluded from that? I personally feel reluctant but I do think that realistically that comes from town more than not

I've heard people say that a sense of entitlement comes from town but I haven't really put much thought into determining if that's true or not. It makes sense in theory. I feel like scum want to be less combative early on

I agree with it. But I think a good player can fake it

[Hu Tao]

why so many questions so early Jackson

this is a weird thing to ask

Maybe. But would scum ask that?

[Hu Tao]

Maybe. But would scum ask that?

Maybe. But would scum ask

that

?

Actually, let me rephrase. Why do you think that scum wouldn't ask something like that?

Seems like something that would stand out, scum usually don't ask questions that stand out too often

[Hu Tao]

why so many questions so early Jackson

this is a weird thing to ask

Maybe. But would scum ask that?

Why are you acting like scum don't shade people all the time

I don't think that's shade. I think that's just a question that's weird

[Hu Tao]

@Black

, since you said I put in words what you were thinking. Thoughts on what I concluded from that? I personally feel reluctant but I do think that realistically that comes from town more than not

I've heard people say that a sense of entitlement comes from town but I haven't really put much thought into determining if that's true or not. It makes sense in theory. I feel like scum want to be less combative early on

I agree with it. But I think a good player can fake it

For sure, but that can be extended to nearly any town-tell so it's kinda silly to say. The real question is whether you think Clap is one to fake this well enough?

I don't have experience with clap so I can't say

[Hu Tao]

I don't have experience with clap so I can't say

Do you have much experience with lucca?

Nope

[Hu Tao]

I'm not having any strong reads so far either way.

[Hu Tao]

I'm confused, aren't they both about the same post?

[Hu Tao]

Only read I can get so far is that not_mafia seems to be putting more effort in this game than the last one he was town in with me in it.

[Hu Tao]

Ah okay. I'll try to explain.

That one about entitlement had nothing to do with clap. I didn't even really look at their post. It was just my opinion on people in general being entitled during a game of mafia. I think scum is more likely in general to play things safe and try to be agreeable with town as to look to be Town read, whereas town is more acting naturally and not worried about how people perceive them.

In terms of the post about lucca, I guess it ties back to how I think scum usually play the game, they might try to avoid posts that could draw suspicious looks. Like the lucca one on the surface seems weird to ask but I think that he could just be town and curious why you're asking questions and wasn't worried about how it's perceived.

Hope that clears it up

[Hu Tao]

Only read I can get so far is that not_mafia seems to be putting more effort in this game than the last one he was town in with me in it.

Alright, what are you making from that?

Could be scum. But I think I've only had one game with him so I don't know if that's a read on him or it's nai

[Hu Tao]

Ah okay. I'll try to explain.

That one about entitlement had nothing to do with clap. I didn't even really look at their post. It was just my opinion on people in general being entitled during a game of mafia. I think scum is more likely in general to play things safe and try to be agreeable with town as to look to be Town read, whereas town is more acting naturally and not worried about how people perceive them.

In terms of the post about lucca, I guess it ties back to how I think scum usually play the game, they might try to avoid posts that could draw suspicious looks. Like the lucca one on the surface seems weird to ask but I think that he could just be town and curious why you're asking questions and wasn't worried about how it's perceived.

Hope that clears it up

On a surface level I do agree with both of these things. If I can poke further, what made you feel you needed to comment that the read isn't accurate on good town or however you worded it (regarding the first paragraph)?

Just having a discussion, had nothing with reads in the game.

[Hu Tao]

Could be scum. But I think I've only had one game with him so I don't know if that's a read on him or it's nai

Aren't you one to make snap judgements and push them with confidence?

Yes but only when I have a strong read. But like I stated I'm not having any real reads this game.

[Hu Tao]

It's only 7 pages though so I'm sure that will change. A lot of it was rvs filler stuff and I don't out too much stock in that

[Hu Tao]

I'm a changed woman. I'm actively trying to explain things in detail more if people want me to.

[Hu Tao]

Just trying to improve as a player in general I suppose

[Hu Tao]

Yes, and if anything I think it's a bit suspicious form you. I think that asking questions is fine but it seems like you are trying to find a reason to scumread me, rather than actually trying to scumhunt. I would say you're giving off a different vibe here than the game we won together previously as town so it could be a scum tell of yours.

[Hu Tao]

From*

I think I should start proofreading my messages before I send

[Hu Tao]

If I thought you were for sure scum for it, I'd vote you. Just giving my thoughts so far.

[Hu Tao]

Anyone have a really strong read so far?

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: not_mafia

[Hu Tao]

1.06

Votecount 1.06

SirCakez (5): Skygazer, lucca261, Not_Mafia, Argonauts, Save The Dragons
Argonauts (3): SirCakez, Invisibility, Roden
Mucho Man Randy Passion (2): Black, JacksonVirgo
Black (2): shaddowez, Jake The Wolfie
shaddowez (1): Mucho Man Randy Passion

Not Voting (1): Hu Tao

With 14 players alive, it takes 8 votes to secure an execution or 7 votes to secure a no-execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2024-01-21 20:03:19).

glad we are getting the traditional day one Cakez wagon day one out of the way so early

[Hu Tao]

I think I still want not_mafia today. He is different from when he was town last time I played with him,. Definitely more reads. and then when I said it, he said 316

[Hu Tao]

I think I still want not_mafia today. He is different from when he was town last time I played with him,. Definitely more reads. and then when I said it, he said 316

I think you linked the wrong post, that's actually 36, not 316

Though from my experience, NM is currently prod dodging and waiting until the game is fun for him again

How did it do the wrong post? but okay. I don't have much experience with him

[Hu Tao]

I think I still want not_mafia today. He is different from when he was town last time I played with him,. Definitely more reads. and then when I said it, he said 316

Reads? Where? What posts do you see as Not_Mafia making reads?

-Atalanta

He's doing way more here than what he did as town when I was with him before. So that's why I assumed these were reads

[Hu Tao]

Just curious - I've seen this from you before, is it a standard opening you use to avoid giving information?

Straight into shading someone, gotta love it

Says the man throwing shade without a vote.

Since when did I need to place a vote to make a point

You don't need to, but it helps

Since when did I need to place a vote to make a point

What's the motivation for a townie who sees supposedly scummy activity, and isn't currently voting anyone, to NOT vote the scummy activity? OTOH, scum could want to point out the activity in hope that another townie picks up on it and starts a push.

Also, your point on my question is wrong. Even if she answers yes, that just means she's playing to her overall scum meta (town would want towniness to come through in RVS). It says nothing about this particular game. It's literally designed to say nothing about this game. So, how would I push her on it, even with an affirmative answer?

All the question does is help me understand her for future games. That's why I prefaced it with "Just curious."

Oh you're serious, lmfao alright.
Even if I was serious enough to think you were >rand wolf from this, I don't care about a vote, I consider it a useless thing to flop around unless I really wanna do something with it or I'm making a joke. If a vote is what's needed to make a point, there's no point in doing anything but just voting people. We can use words, so I'll use words.

My point on your question isn't wrong, it's framed in a way that appears to be trying to make them look bad OR to make you look like you're doing something both of which are bad but I didn't even remotely care outside of poking fun until you're taking this way further than I expected it to.

Yeah but like you just click a couple of buttons

I'm convinced

VOTE: SirCakez

Unironically suspecting shaddowez

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[Hu Tao]

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Why did I go from the bottom of your list to the top?

He's just trolling now

[Hu Tao]

[...]

Why did I go from the bottom of your list to the top?

He's just trolling now

How so?

Look at the last name

[Hu Tao]

So many different votes on different people

[Hu Tao]

i think cakez/jv/hu tao are all townie

Why am I town?

[Hu Tao]

I PM'd to sub in to this game, still waiting on confirmation. First time here but I'm somewhat experienced in mafia

Welcome!

[Hu Tao]

Sus

[Hu Tao]

Sus

I don't think it is. Why would scum say that instead of just making up a reason?

Because if it's a bad reason they will be suspected for it.

[Hu Tao]

not mafia is kinda like a force of nature you can analyze him and try to play around him but he just exists and lol hammers and we can't do anything about it. idk how to actually read the guy.

Then why not vote him day 1 and get info? If he's scum it's going to be interesting to see who was on the wagon and what people soft defended him

[Hu Tao]

[While I was preparing the ISO on Argon, I came across this conversation with Tao. I would like to discuss these two posts in particular.

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These two posts are rather contradictory in terms of belief, and they occur only ~18 hours apart. This rather inexplicable and unexplained change of read on Not_Mafia is strange. I might just have to make an ISO on Tao in the future.

I don't think those posts are contradictory at all.

What are your thoughts on them?

If I'm wrong then Hu Tao can correct me, but I interpret it as Hu Tao saying that NM usually trolls almost the entire time instead of just half of the time.

Yes. He started doing nothing after being called out by me

[Hu Tao]

I like Jacob for town right now

[Hu Tao]

Only 2 days left. What's the main reason tor Argo votes?

[Hu Tao]

For*

[Hu Tao]

Let's start another new wagon then, there aren't enough wagons now. Less than 8 is just silly.

VOTE: Hu Tao

Right. But why in particular me? Especially with less than 2 days left. Seems like trying to start chaos to me.

[Hu Tao]

Let's start another new wagon then, there aren't enough wagons now. Less than 8 is just silly.

VOTE: Hu Tao

Right. But why in particular me? Especially with less than 2 days left. Seems like trying to start chaos to me.

I’m with you here. Backup Miller role seems like an odd claim right off the bat as well.

Still undecided

I kinda assumed that was a joke since it was so late.

[Hu Tao]

Chaos is great, guys. You all should VOTE: Hu Tao.

-Atalanta

Is this rh9?

[Hu Tao]

Aureal I missed your usual gif opening this game

[Hu Tao]

I think I saw something I liked from invisible earlier but I'd have to check

[Hu Tao]

Never mind I think that was someone else

[Hu Tao]

Invisible you should probably claim

[Hu Tao]

That would mean they need to show up.

-Says the pot, I know.

She's here, we just can't see her

[Hu Tao]

Jake The Wolfie

Black

lucca261

Hu Tao

Argonauts (hydra of Aureal, Doctor Drew, and RH9)

JacksonVirgo

Skygazer

shaddowez

SirCakez

Not_Mafia

Jacob24

Roden

Invisibility

Why am I scummy to you?

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: invisible

18 hours left

[Hu Tao]

9 hours left. Need 2 votes

[Hu Tao]

The evidence is 6 hours left or no one gets eliminated. I'd rather have some info rather than none.

[Hu Tao]

Thanks for hosting