Open 902: Frienemies Blitz | Postgame

[usesPython]

VOTE: cook

[usesPython]

I smell something fishy already

It's ok we co-ordinated that in the mason pt

[usesPython]

VOTE: naerys

[usesPython]

VOTE: naerys

Serious vote btw

[usesPython]

I smell something fishy already

getting negative energy from this post

[usesPython]

Ya'll are wild with the solves. I don't have any reads based on pg 1

skill issue

[usesPython]

i think its Dann-python-Black

VOTE: naerys

Serious vote btw

I smell something fishy already

getting negative energy from this post

I smell something fishy already

getting negative energy from this post

getting trying to discredit vibes from this post

This is pinging me

Not sure why yet

The Naerys reaction feels too strong for page 2 I think

[usesPython]

Like the "This wagon sus" feels too strapped in too early, it's not floaty

[usesPython]

We are running out of time, people

Fine, take your pagetop

[usesPython]

When are they gonna add bullet games on this site? 15 minutes per day, timer gets extended by 30 seconds for every post

[usesPython]

feels like they want to be seen like they are doing something

Bold of you to assume we play with intentionality

[usesPython]

The other is that naerys v python looks kinda inorganic

Is that a Python inorganic, Naerys inorganic, or both sides inorganic?

[usesPython]

We just upped the gain on our vibemometer and posted the first thing that came up, if you wanna call that "wanting to be seen like we're doing something" then :shrug:

[usesPython]

Next person to make the most convincing scum case explaining why Drew is scum gets my vote for the rest of the day

Pro tip: you cant

[usesPython]

Sup do you need a T-Bone hero solve? It can be yours for only 5 easy payments of 99.99

Last time we got one of those it was 100% town

[usesPython]

Next person to make the most convincing scum case explaining why Drew is scum gets my vote for the rest of the day

Pro tip: you cant

Why not? You have tried before when I wasn't scum.

Scumreading Drew is like a fine wine, you gotta let it age before you pull it out

[usesPython]

gob can you explain your light read

[usesPython]

People need to start locking in, it's only 3 days to deadline and feels like nothing's happened

[usesPython]

dann-naerys in the no-no zone, who wants to join as the third

[usesPython]

ausuka town

[usesPython]

they're maf

[usesPython]

magic 8-ball for Drew says try again later

[usesPython]

It would take me more than 15 minutes to catch up.

VOTE: Save The Dragons

Is this rvs or serious

[usesPython]

do you think she's scummy for seemingly trying to solve?

What is this question for

for gob probably

[usesPython]

davesaz thoughts on light galanski?

She seems to be trying to solve.

so a townread? or is that within her scum range?

it's a response to this I thought

[usesPython]

im trying to figure out where gob is going

He's not going anywhere. He's trying to seem busy. He made an early game solve with LG in it and now he's scumreading her without reason because he feels locked into that solve

More votes on gob please

Why not Naerys

[usesPython]

im trying to figure out where gob is going

He's not going anywhere. He's trying to seem busy. He made an early game solve with LG in it and now he's scumreading her without reason because he feels locked into that solve

More votes on gob please

Why not Naerys

bcz i am town

[usesPython]

Sup do you need a T-Bone hero solve? It can be yours for only 5 easy payments of 99.99

Last time we got one of those it was 100% town

Just afraid that you're in my solve

Processing

Of course, cause we were part of that 100% town solve last time

[usesPython]

I very strongly dislike 74

I think if you want to actually talk about way too strong/defensive reactions early in the game, this one from Python is actually scummy

it has the quality of an over defensive reaction while very intentionally trying to seem like they optically don't care

hence the ":shrug:" despite it definitely bothering them given the content of the post and them later slotting me as a "no-no zone read"

no-no zone isn't that scummy objectively, it's more that nothing is really happening and other people aren't really pinging us

[usesPython]

i also just find most of their posting to be posts for the sake of posting

That's cause people are treating this game like a 14 day deadline while we're trying to focus up

i don't believe Python actually town reads ausuka in 117

we townread

I personally just found the 'trying to discredit' thing on a blank page 2 scumread to be sorta offputting

I don't really get the python scumreads, I think town often try to get the game started with sort of questionable early reads.

[usesPython]

didn't you literally say "they're maf"

Yes and? The people we most scumread are maf, the people we most townread are town

[usesPython]

i also just find most of their posting to be posts for the sake of posting

That's cause people are treating this game like a 14 day deadline while we're trying to focus up

i don't believe Python actually town reads ausuka in 117

we townread

I personally just found the 'trying to discredit' thing on a blank page 2 scumread to be sorta offputting

I don't really get the python scumreads, I think town often try to get the game started with sort of questionable early reads.

ok, why do you town read that, Python?

Feel like scum would let it play out

[usesPython]

Feel like scum would let it play out

Like it's a blitz game, first real wagons to pick up will be the ones there by deadline so hitting the breaks on our wagon is townie instead of the usual early scum reasonableness

[usesPython]

i don't feel Python cares about actually sorting me

You're not gonna get very in depth reads from us cause the deadline doesn't allow for it, we're very much playing this game in a "see something, shoot something" kinda manner

[usesPython]

python it really looks like you're walking back what you said to me

Maybe we're not explaining it right:

Normal game:
-100 -- Lockmaf
-50 -- Maf
0 -- Null
50 -- Town
100 -- Locktown

This game:
-25 -- Lockmaf
-10 -- Maf
0 -- Null
10 -- Town
25 -- Locktown

[usesPython]

Feel like scum would let it play out

Like it's a blitz game, first real wagons to pick up will be the ones there by deadline so hitting the breaks on our wagon is townie instead of the usual early scum reasonableness

idk i think the "reasonable" early game take is to town read you tbh

"reasonable" yes but scum have a lot less of an incentive to be reasonable here since it actually hurts them instead of it doing nothing in the long term

[usesPython]

Feel like scum would let it play out

Like it's a blitz game, first real wagons to pick up will be the ones there by deadline so hitting the breaks on our wagon is townie instead of the usual early scum reasonableness

idk i think the "reasonable" early game take is to town read you tbh

"reasonable" yes but scum have a lot less of an incentive to be reasonable here since it actually hurts them instead of it doing nothing in the long term

Like 4 day deadlines change a lot of the usual dynamics since you've time for maybe one blowup and then it's already time to vote

[usesPython]

I think if you want to actually talk about way too strong/defensive reactions early in the game, this one from Python is actually scummy

I don't generally care about defensiveness and don't really see python's reaction as scummy either.

If naerys had called it a "bad push" or something on page 2 I wouldn't care at all

The issue to me is that "discrediting" is a more complex idea where I don't really think the gamestate had developed enough for that to be a natural thought process.

it's not defensiveness by itself. a pretty general scum tell that I've had a lot of success using is outsized emotional reactions when the prompt doesn't match up. it doesn't really matter if it's defensiveness or sadness or anger, or what have you. the fact is i don't think my push matches up with python's reaction, which i think is unnatural

I think you're misreading of us comes down mostly to

python it really looks like you're walking back what you said to me

Maybe we're not explaining it right:

Normal game:
-100 -- Lockmaf
-50 -- Maf
0 -- Null
50 -- Town
100 -- Locktown

This game:
-25 -- Lockmaf
-10 -- Maf
0 -- Null
10 -- Town
25 -- Locktown

in this case which is where the dissonance is coming from. You're reading us calling you maf as a -50 instead of a -10

[usesPython]

light_ganski

T-Bone

Doctor Drew

davesaz

gob

Cook

Naerys

Black

usesPython

Ranger

Dannflor

Ausuka

How is cook your biggest scumread she's done literally nothing this game

[usesPython]

she has not done nothing

Case her then cause we're not seeing it

[usesPython]

hope the other two show up soon

can you explain this

yeah ok that makes sense

[usesPython]

hope the other two show up soon

Explain

[usesPython]

that was @cook, not in response to python.

for python, i dunno, i don't like the lack of posting mostly, and 101, but i may be interpreting that that post means something different then it actually means

VOTE: T-Bone

101 probably isn't a PT slip since the wording doesn't make sense in that case, maybe referencing T-Bone and Ranger not voting?

[usesPython]

STD having cook so low is pretty wack

[usesPython]

STD having cook so low is pretty wack

hope the other two show up soon

can you explain this

yeah ok that makes sense

Spoiler: gif

1. Spoiler your animated gifs smh read the rules
   
2. The cook post was weird but not wack enough to be the single scummiest person in the game

[usesPython]

{UsesPython, Naerys}
{Ausuka}
{light_ganski}
{Save the Dragons}
{T-Bone}
{Doctor Drew, davesaz}
{Cook}
{gob}
{Black, Dannflor}

I actually townread everyone from Drew above.

Why is Black so low

[usesPython]

T-Bone/Dann/Naerys, that's our hero solve

[usesPython]

{UsesPython, Naerys}
{Ausuka}
{light_ganski}
{Save the Dragons}
{T-Bone}
{Doctor Drew, davesaz}
{Cook}
{gob}
{Black, Dannflor}

I actually townread everyone from Drew above.

Why is Black so low

Are you townreading me?

You are not on our radar, you're kinda just off doing your own thing

[usesPython]

If there's a scum wagon going on right now then you're probably town for fixating on gob instead

[usesPython]

You are not on our radar, you're kinda just off doing your own thing

I feel like this should make you feel one way or another about me

it doesn't

[usesPython]

like there's a void of vibes

[usesPython]

If there's a scum wagon going on right now then you're probably town for fixating on gob instead

What makes you think gob isn't the scum wagon?

Then that would still have you wagoning scum

[usesPython]

im trying to figure out where gob is going

He's not going anywhere. He's trying to seem busy. He made an early game solve with LG in it and now he's scumreading her without reason because he feels locked into that solve

More votes on gob please

or is that within her scum range?

I haven't seen her recently enough to know. In fact not sure if I've seen her before.

So a null read, yes?

more like town lean, though very preliminary

cool thanks for clarifying

for the record i was trying to see if light galanski is partners with davesaz. that was my whole play and now its done.
light im null on same with davesaz, which is good cause i felt lightz vote on dave could be early wolf distancing

[usesPython]

Black I think you're scumreading gob for reads but his reads were a reaction test instead of something he believed in which is why they didn't make sense to you

[usesPython]

How to avoid the prod: Come in like an hour earlier and ask the last person who posted what are their reads

[usesPython]

How to avoid the prod: Come in like an hour earlier and ask the last person who posted what are their reads

Bonus points if they've already explained all their reads

[usesPython]

{ranger}

{ausuka, davesaz}
{black, t-bone, save the dragons}

{dannflor}

{gob, python}

{naerys}

Not enough info on drew and cook

pink and light green are absolutely cursed colors, so is trying to read white on mafSilver

[usesPython]

Does this count as cryptography if we're only discriminating against mafBlack?

[usesPython]

Imagine not using mafBlack

The hardest part of hydraing with DE was having to use mafBlack

[usesPython]

Bring back mafTigers

[usesPython]

We have no art skills, is that better or worse when it comes to bringing it back?

[usesPython]

Does this count as cryptography if we're only discriminating against mafBlack?

Everyone voting for us after this is a mafBlack user

[usesPython]

Does this count as cryptography if we're only discriminating against mafBlack?

Everyone voting for us after this is a mafBlack user

Dead silence, I think we've stumbled over the ultimate defense

[usesPython]

That post is a 0 on the Drewmometer, where's the wack

[usesPython]

im thinking we lim python

Would definitely go you over Python

Wow same here we'd also lim gob over ourselves

[usesPython]

im thinking we lim python

Would definitely go you over Python

Wow same here we'd also lim gob over ourselves

Hi5

What if you are jester though?

This setup would be improved by adding a jesterizer

[usesPython]

ok enough distancing

VOTE: dann

[usesPython]

VOTE: usesPython

Gee Dann! How come DE lets you get

two

votes?

[usesPython]

For reference, I went to a recent town game of Python's and quoted the posts where they directly responded to someone voicing suspicion on Python:

I know I know I read the newbie game play thingy, and RVS is a thing... buuuuuut Python was very bandwagony following votes, not just against me but others as well.

Yeah that's intentional, we don't actually care who gets wagoned this early on so we just jump on whatever wagons are happening to make number go up and let the people with actual opinions duke it out until we have something to work with

This is literally the same blase reaction you're accusing us of having here, wtf are you talking about

[usesPython]

why do you think I'm scum python

It was revealed to us in a dream

[usesPython]

i feel like instead of responding by explaining your scum read of me or try to engage me on any other level you could engage me on

you went straight to the exact thing ive been talking about which is try to find a part of my post that you can prove wrong

We are engaging with you with the easiest thing for us to engage with, which is our alignment. Your case is self-contradictory which is way easier and more effective to point out compared to self-metaing

Who would we be explaining our scumread on you too? Pretty much every read we have this game is Rorschach test tier

[usesPython]

Like we think you're scum and we also think we can swing an elim on you and also no one else is asking us to explain our read on you, exactly who would we be spending the mental energy to turn a gut read into a "yes this is what caused the gut read go take a look"

[usesPython]

Like we think you're scum and we also think we can swing an elim on you and also no one else is asking us to explain our read on you, exactly who would we be spending the mental energy to turn a gut read into a "yes this is what caused the gut read go take a look"

actually nvm it's your lucky day, gut read percolated into a slightly less gut read.

Your tunnel on us feels like a scum tunnel

[usesPython]

Your tunnel on us feels like a scum tunnel

why

what differentiates it from a town tunnel to you

it's the subtle things like

i don't believe Python actually town reads ausuka in 117

where it feels the goal is to entirely discredit instead of actually reading our alignment

[usesPython]

heartbroken rn... we still keep the cat right?

[usesPython]

python you've got react youtuber vibes

We invented react youtubing back in Weird Dreams Redux

[usesPython]

Like you see what we mean by it feeling like your goal is to find things to call us scum for instead of sorting us

[usesPython]

python you've got react youtuber vibes

btw which game of ours exactly did you pick up that phrase from?

[usesPython]

ah k, cause pretty sure we've had a towngame where someone brought up this exact read and we explained the origin, lemme check

[usesPython]

Being a react YouTuber*:

We first did that style of posting in Weird Dreams Redux as town tho, and it's what got us to be the single most townread player d1. We mimic'd that in Open 880 cause it works great for getting townread but I don't actually think it's alignment indicative by itself (since it's in our natural townrange and our scumrange is wide enough to be able to mimic it) unless it's part of a larger vibe analysis that tries to find the actually scum indicative part of our posting which is

Gonna let the thread stew before I start posting more, already feeling the nervous energy we get when we're scum

here

[usesPython]

Due to unspecified tinfoil Dann + Black are a hair townier, don't ask for details

[usesPython]

@mod: V/LA until Monday

@Mod, also V/LA this weekend

Vacation/Limited Access

- Please don't V/LA this game. If you are, I will replace you.

Why do the good ones have to be taken from us so early

[usesPython]

convenient lurk moment lol

It’s worth noting Black did this as scum.

Black has been V/LA on weekends since forever

[usesPython]

why python

I feel like Dannflors analysis said it wel enough. For me i have sorta ruled out a lot of others, but python consistently does moves that i feel are anti-town.

i dont feel as strongly on anyone, except maybe T-bone as their is a contrast in how T-bone was talking about the V/LA stuff and how T-bone talked about everything else. Feels like scum

I have a few minutes, but are you really taking T-Bone going a bit into list mod mode and commenting on the v/la stuff.......as a scum tell?

Python, scale of 1-10, how high is this on the Drew Post Meter(or DPM for short)?

1.5 Lazy Drews on the aluminium scale

[usesPython]

wait nvm I was thinking of gobs scumread of Black, the T-Bone read is Cringe and Bluepilled

[usesPython]

Like yeah there's definitely a change in vibe between T-Bone talking about Black V/LA vs rest of the playerlist but the feeling there is more "yeah this is pissing me off" vs "yeah just snarkily vibing" in a way that doesn't feel partnered

[usesPython]

So why arent we voting python?

Our mind control is too strong, sorry

[usesPython]

python specifically

could you explain the dannflor read? like is it deeper than just "this seems like a scum tunnel"

Your tunnel on us feels like a scum tunnel

why

what differentiates it from a town tunnel to you

it's the subtle things like

i don't believe Python actually town reads ausuka in 117

where it feels the goal is to entirely discredit instead of actually reading our alignment

Like you see what we mean by it feeling like your goal is to find things to call us scum for instead of sorting us

part of the reason i have been very repetitive with my painting you as scum is because i wanted to see if that nervous energy appeared but it is disappointingly not

[usesPython]

Easiest prod dodge of our life btw

[usesPython]

But yeah the Dann read is pretty much entirely from how he approached our slot

[usesPython]

Oh wow deadline in 36 hours already, ppl any will for a dann lim?

[usesPython]

gob's a pretty meh wagon but dying is cringe so VOTE: gob

[usesPython]

would prefer a tbone/dann flashwagon but not enough will for that

[usesPython]

VOTE: tbone

flashwagon flashwagon flashwagon

[usesPython]

Kinda don't want a Drew wagon here, he's pretty easy to viberead as the game goes on and hasn't pinged us yet

[usesPython]

ty ty, slept through most of it

[usesPython]

VOTE: usesPython

idk im lost but out of the viable wagons i guess i'd prefer to go back to this most

Who'd you lim if you had flash wagon part 2?

[usesPython]

VOTE: usesPython

idk im lost but out of the viable wagons i guess i'd prefer to go back to this most

Who'd you lim if you had flash wagon part 2?

Seems like he wants to lim you

That's out of the viable gob/python/tbone wagons, not out of every wagon

[usesPython]

I think a Python lim or Ausuka slot lim cuts the game into the smallest bites. Then T-bone cuts the game like 25%.

what did you mean by this

[usesPython]

I think a Python lim or Ausuka slot lim cuts the game into the smallest bites. Then T-bone cuts the game like 25%.

what did you mean by this

Basically im (loosely because i just do it once and remember the result i dont remember the exact process... cause im lazy) going through the game and comparing possible teams. Python lim, or Ausukla slot lim basically 50/50 solves the game. Since 50% of the possible teams are eliminated.

Probably not worth mentioning in retrospect. but yea, i feel like python/asuka are the highest 2 hit wolf.

We're townreading both of those slots so what happens to your solve with the two of us flipping town?

[usesPython]

We wouldn't say no to a cook wagon

[usesPython]

@usesPython

, why do you use python. It's so atrocious

What do you mean there's a problem with using

Code: Select all

["odd" if x%2 else "even" for x in range(1,101)]

It's perfectly readable and maintainable

[usesPython]

You can't delete posts like that smh T-T

New pagetop strategy just dropped

[usesPython]

Lol sorry Alianna

Fixed by deleting a filler post lol.

wdym, pagetops are game advancing content

[usesPython]

Deadline's coming up, can we get a kill pool from everyone in case there's a cool flashwagon hiding somewhere?

Cook/Dann/T-Bone/gob

[usesPython]

I'M AFRAID I HAVE SOME BAD NEWS

image tag wrapped in a url tag that doesn't lead to the same domain is cursed as hell

[usesPython]

This game ain't big enough for two uses

[usesPython]

I guess you gotta go then VOTE: usesPython

Then there'd be zero uses, and that'd be tragic

[usesPython]

I just realised you were the one that was being like very close to hammer, my heart sank to my toes my god

Accidental quickhammers are an artform in that you should do them as much as possible

[usesPython]

VOTE: Dann

flashwagon part 2: electric boogaloo

[usesPython]

starts to vote the blooper
realizes it's the co-mod

Dont let that stop you from scumreading Alianna

[usesPython]

Sanity is overrated

[usesPython]

i'll read the game thread in 6 hours. no one do anything stupid before that!

Quick everyone do something stupid

[usesPython]

People be like "yeah I love mafia it's a great social deduction game" then completely ignore the social part

Then again we ignore the deduction part of the game half the time so :shrug:

[usesPython]

Quick someone get us to E-1 so we can self-hammer

[usesPython]

python can you instead explain your std read

Since when do we have an STD read?

idk how to read him so the plan is to just sheep a town STD whisperer. Lemme check if he's done something in the past 600 posts

[usesPython]

k the early cook read was wack (207), thinking drews post was wacky was wack (373), and then he's done pretty much nothing else but shitpost

[usesPython]

you said he was wack when he scumread my slot

Yeah that was 600 posts ago, practically an era ago

[usesPython]

okay. is he scum?

probably not? idk

[usesPython]

Quick someone get us to E-1 so we can self-hammer

VOTE: usesPython

Knew we could count on you buddy

[usesPython]

VOTE: python

Now this is pretty wack

[usesPython]

It really isn't

Eh, Cook did nothing and HEM's on us with some pretty ZZZ progression

[usesPython]

Like if they had an actual case or were sheeping someones case then sure whatever but the progression was a vote for not really having a read on STD

[usesPython]

His progression is sound

I disagree lets fight

[usesPython]

good representation, python. it's a really good and fair representation of my progression. the way you said "ZZZ" is really sublime, as it's a really good description and i can really tell you're trying to read my slot and not just trying to cast me on a bad light.

You're welcome to explain your progression then instead of complaining when we read between the lines

[usesPython]

The saddest part about this day is we're probably dead here anyways cause the only viable CW is gob and that only gets to 6 votes with light/Black/Ranger/Python/Drew/Dave since gob/Naerys/Dann/HEM/STD/T-Bone/JV all townread gob

[usesPython]

People are too split on who's scum and that's letting low effort wagons like this through

[usesPython]

How much will is there for a Black wagon? Python/JV/Ranger, who else?

[usesPython]

VOTE: Black

[usesPython]

How much will is there for a Black wagon? Python/JV/Ranger, who else?

T-Bone (Black in scumlean)
STD (Black is a gob voter)

that's 5

open letter to light/dave/drew to join us on the Black wagon since the alternative is a Python lim

[usesPython]

i dont know their recent meta but in a game that i had with them, they were more proactive and hard-at-work trying to be the most pro-town looking player AS a serial killer. but that was a year ago, and recent games might have influenced them to be a bit more "loose" if scum.

I'll see you guys later.

Day 1 at least of that game we just treated it like we rolled a town PM and hunted maf, it's only later when we started fakeclaiming and trying to navigate out of a mech solve that our gameplay became scum motivated

[usesPython]

How much will is there for a Black wagon? Python/JV/Ranger, who else?

T-Bone (Black in scumlean)
STD (Black is a gob voter)

that's 5

open letter to light/dave/drew to join us on the Black wagon since the alternative is a Python lim

.

.

.

.

.

quoting for alerts

[usesPython]

Where’s my quote, I’m quite jealous now

You're already on the wagon smh my head

[usesPython]

oh right forgot to quote ranger

How much will is there for a Black wagon? Python/JV/Ranger, who else?

T-Bone (Black in scumlean)
STD (Black is a gob voter)

that's 5

open letter to light/dave/drew to join us on the Black wagon since the alternative is a Python lim

.

[usesPython]

VOTE: usesPython

Briefly skimmed over why people are voting for me and their vote feels the worst by far. It feels like they are just trying to make any wagon possible happen instead of actually trying to catch scum

I'll be back later to fully catch up

People are split enough that we don't have the luxury picking who we're counterwagoning and us living through day 1 means we're no longer mislimmable since people'll have time to actually consolidate scumreads instead of settling for lazy gob/python wagons. So yeah you're absolutely right that we're trying to make any non-Python wagon happen here

[usesPython]

k we're going to bed, we better wake up to a black lim given there's enough people that want it to happen to make it happen

[usesPython]

gg

[usesPython]

Scum MVP goes to python. I think their decision to try to fade me close to the D1 deadline set us up for the win. StD played phenomenally too

gg guys! Thanks for modding Dragon <3

Bussing is great because if your lim went through we'd be untouchable and if it didn't you'd be untouchable

[usesPython]

bg

I disagree, this was a wonderful game. The scumteam deserves an award for it.

Dannfloor basically threw claiming mason. No offense to you danfloor, it was just the totally wrong play.

I disagree, if Black was town there it would have been 100% the correct play. Dann figured out we were scum from the ranger masonclaim so if he kept silent we would have gotten a Black lim through, shot a vocal anti-Pythoner then kept controlling the game like we were already doing.

[usesPython]

funnily enough Rangers mason fakeclaim almost won town the game on the spot by derailing the planned bus. We couldn't deny it without losing distancing cred and we couldn't claim it without losing the ability to endgame once the masons came out