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I apparently failed and used different tags to start and end my vote. :/
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I don't think I belong here
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Objection!In post 30, Not_Mafia wrote:
Did you or did you not put Cakes on L-7?In post 27, Skygazer wrote: that is a gross mischaracterization and i will not stand for itV/LA on Weekends-
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A game where the roles are made up and the facts don't matter!In post 96, Not_Mafia wrote: Mans spitting factsV/LA on Weekends-
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Maybe. But would scum askIn post 133, Hu Tao wrote: Maybe. But would scum ask that?that?V/LA on Weekends-
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Actually, let me rephrase. Why do you think that scum wouldn't ask something like that?In post 137, shaddowez wrote:
Maybe. But would scum askIn post 133, Hu Tao wrote: Maybe. But would scum ask that?that?V/LA on Weekends-
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OK. But why?In post 142, Not_Mafia wrote: Unironically suspecting shaddowezV/LA on Weekends-
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I'm clueless as to why there's a wagon on me right now.
I realized I forgot to post my weekend V/LAandthere is no school or work tomorrow, so I'll be back TuesdayV/LA on Weekends-
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I'm here and catching up. The fact that there's a wagon on me is crazy. We're less than half way through D1, and I've had basically nothing but RVS input because I'm V/LA on weekends (and had stuff on either side that made things exciting too).
I will be in and out since the kids are home and I have to shovel, but will answer questions and address things as I read through them.V/LA on Weekends-
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Halfway through, end of page 8.
Wasn't it Clap that started that interaction? Why do you think JV was the one trying to get out of RVS?In post 105, lucca261 wrote:
Gut read kinda telas me you were trying to get the "town trying to get us out of RVS" townpointsIn post 100, JacksonVirgo wrote:
You need to answer why you asked this next time you pop into this threadIn post 92, lucca261 wrote: why so many questions so early Jackson
but at the same time i'm afraid its just a residual vibes read of the other time we played together, i thought you were scum and you were town
So far I haven't gotten an answer to either of these, so if they're between here and now this post can be ignored:
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Actually, let me rephrase. Why do you think that scum wouldn't ask something like that?In post 137, shaddowez wrote:
Maybe. But would scum askIn post 133, Hu Tao wrote: Maybe. But would scum ask that?that?
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OK. But why?In post 142, Not_Mafia wrote: Unironically suspecting shaddowezV/LA on Weekends-
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Summary of some reads so far:
Town-lean on Argo, STD (Clap), and JV.
Scum-lean on lucca, Invisibility, and Macho (I know we're waiting on a replacement there).V/LA on Weekends-
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In post 370, JacksonVirgo wrote:
Depends what you mean by started the interactionIn post 369, shaddowez wrote: Wasn't it Clap that started that interaction?
I see 50 as being the catalyst that started moving from RVS banter to actual reads.V/LA on Weekends-
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Discussion is probably a better word.In post 372, shaddowez wrote:readsV/LA on Weekends-
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Does this mean something to you?In post 239, Jake The Wolfie wrote: I've just gotten to the end of page 7 and I'm tempted to start a running tally of how many of Jackson's posts are just quoting someone and asking a question.
I don't like this post, at all. There's a decent amount of fence sitting, and instead of discussing/questioning votes me because of a clarifying comment (which he still hasn't answered). Also extremely confused as to in what world that last line makes any sense - Yes? Regardless of your alignment, scum would indeed vote?In post 280, lucca261 wrote: Some catch-up thoughts
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hello jake, let's talk
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tell me: would scum do that?
This didn't happen, but what would you have made of it if it did?In post 321, Jake The Wolfie wrote: <pain>
</pain>In post 319, shaddowez wrote: I'm clueless as to why there's a wagon on me right now.
I realized I forgot to post my weekend V/LAandthere is no school or work tomorrow, so I'll be back Tuesday
Just so you're aware, you may not be alive by tuesday.V/LA on Weekends-
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At the time, 82 pinged me the wrong way, and then talking about answering a question and catching up then disappearing again in 318. There's only been one post since and it was a half-hearted answer with another "sorry, catching up" so didn't do much to change my mind.In post 381, Black wrote:
Why Invisibility?In post 371, shaddowez wrote: Summary of some reads so far:
Town-lean on Argo, STD (Clap), and JV.
Scum-lean on lucca, Invisibility, and Macho (I know we're waiting on a replacement there).
It was literally a 3 second post to prodge and let everyone know I was V/LA. The pagetop was a VC, which was the only reason I even referenced a wagonIn post 416, lucca261 wrote: The rest of this is on a traditionalSpoiler catch-up time!
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@319. ehhhhhhhhhhh this is not a good reaction to the wagon
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The post you quoted wasn't incrimatory at all, it was me trying to understand why you thought JV was trying to get out of RVS rather that Clap. I responded to JV about the same thing in 372, and while I agree that JV was continuing to further the game state, I don't agree it was him that started to try and get out of RVS.In post 417, lucca261 wrote:
It was clear that JV was trying to get us out of RVS. He is doing it even now, on page 14-15, because nothing is happening. I never even commented on Clap vs. JV because I kinda thought it was a boring discussion and Clap was being abrasive. The questions that pinged me were @84, @85 and @87, all in sequence.In post 369, shaddowez wrote: Halfway through, end of page 8.
Wasn't it Clap that started that interaction? Why do you think JV was the one trying to get out of RVS?In post 105, lucca261 wrote:
Gut read kinda telas me you were trying to get the "town trying to get us out of RVS" townpointsIn post 100, JacksonVirgo wrote:
You need to answer why you asked this next time you pop into this threadIn post 92, lucca261 wrote: why so many questions so early Jackson
but at the same time i'm afraid its just a residual vibes read of the other time we played together, i thought you were scum and you were town
So far I haven't gotten an answer to either of these, so if they're between here and now this post can be ignored:
I don't like your reaction, Shaddow. It seems you're trying to find stuff to incriminate me because I voted for you.
As for me trying to incriminate you because you voted for me, why do you feel I would have singled you out? You weren't the first, the last, or the most vocal about it.
I believe someone else may have already said this, but while she was posting a lot, very little of it was game advancing, or if it was it was too obfuscated by the roleplay to be useful. The vote hopping seemed like it was trying to find anyplace that would gain traction, rather than doing anything with the vote itself.In post 423, lucca261 wrote: So @Shaddow why are you scumreading Macho Man?V/LA on Weekends-
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Please do - if you don't feel convinced I'm town, do you think I'm scum?In post 404, Jake The Wolfie wrote: Shadez catch-up was alright(?) but it didn't really inspire confidence in me that they were town. I can do a deeper breakdown if prompted.V/LA on Weekends-
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Let's see if a player can be scorched like disappearing ink!
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I still like where my vote is. Invisibility showed up after I voted them, and their catch up felt like more of a "Oops, have to do something. I'm busy most of the day, but will do another read through and post more thoughts this afternoon.V/LA on Weekends-
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That would mean they need to show up.
-Says the pot, I know.V/LA on Weekends-
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I'm down to lim Jacob, but not this fast. I was beginning to SR the slot towards the end of yesterDay. Not around long enough to give reasonings, but will do so tomorrow.
That reaction to the kills last night was bad, though.V/LA on Weekends-
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Has she been in prod range? I call mod favoritismV/LA on Weekends-
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How does this even make sense? Mislims happenIn post 849, Jacob24 wrote: Yes would have been a better answer. Once I’m gone, town knows what to do. I’ll die a martyr for the town.becausewe don't know your alignment, why should someone that's wrong be the auto-next lim? Unless it's a 1v1 (cc, for example).
So do you think they're town regardless of your flip?In post 859, Jacob24 wrote:
Forgot that Argo voted me… seemed odd but Argo did seem to be thinking thoughIn post 855, Black wrote:In post 852, Jacob24 wrote:
Agreed to thatIn post 851, JacksonVirgo wrote: Anyway, if this flips red then the hydra is incredibly townieV/LA on Weekends-
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There's technically another possibility as well, but since you didn't mention it I'm going to assume it's not the case.In post 861, Jacob24 wrote:
JV used the fact that there are only 12 roles to make the case that I was mafia, because he believed the chances were so low of him being deceived, that me being mafia is the only possibility. By the same logic, if I am town as I claim, then the small chance is the only way he could be town also. It goes both ways.In post 738, JacksonVirgo wrote: I manually counted and only 12 roles can interfere with that result, out of 150
JV, please tell me this isn't a repeat.V/LA on Weekends-
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I'll be back online at around 1900 Eastern Time (About 3 hours from now). Intent to hammer if there are no objections by then.V/LA on Weekends-
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@mod - V/LA until Monday
Noted.
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Prod received, life blew up. Reading and trying to catch up, but will only be around on and off for the next couple hoursV/LA on Weekends-
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Please don't do this, you'll hurt more than my feelings.
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I did a super quick phone read, and right now think the JV/Jake siscussion is TvT.
Believe the Cakez claim too.
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I feel like I'm in a bad position no matter what. I'm already run up, so if I hammer and Sky is town, chances are I either get vig shot (which would beterrible) or close to an auto-lim tomorrow.
If she's scum, since this many people are already pushing me, there's a bus argument.
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Trying to read now. Busy day at work,andone of my kids is home because he had to go for a strep test :/ (He was negative)
Apologies if I'm not around as much as I expected to be today.V/LA on Weekends-
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We had a JK and a doctor, why are you discounting any other protectives/commuter types?In post 1236, Skygazer wrote: i get that that looks like tmi but my thought process behind that post was literally just "vig = 3 kills but we have 2 kills"
What makes you feel that you're the best vig shot, especially from a limited-shot role?In post 1262, Skygazer wrote: i feel like i also would have probably been shot by now by vig-cakez
The only town neighbor roles are either friendly or neighborizers, so you should have somebody that can prove this. There is, amusingly enough, a mafia neighbor with no modifiers though.In post 1294, Skygazer wrote: i am a town neighbourV/LA on Weekends-
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Not a threat, and not really. I will if necessary, but think it's better if I don't. I've crumbed, but I'm terrible at doing that so would not be surprised if it's not picked up.In post 1480, JacksonVirgo wrote: I mean I don't wanna poke and prod unnecessarily but if it's so terrible wouldn't claiming be more beneficial than just vague "threats"V/LA on Weekends-
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I don't necessarily think so, but people in multiple recent games have thought I was concerned about how other people saw me because of clarifying posts I've made. Not sure if that's what you're going for or not.
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Probably lucca. I've had a mild SR there, and upon an ISO review it grew stronger. Will try to make my case there today, but may not have a chance due to life. Tomorrow should beIn post 1487, SirCakez wrote:
who do you think should be vigged instead of you? I want to get this shot off tonight because I expect to either be NKed or eliminated v soonIn post 1479, shaddowez wrote: I feel like I'm in a bad position no matter what. I'm already run up, so if I hammer and Sky is town, chances are I either get vig shot (which would beterrible) or close to an auto-lim tomorrow.
If she's scum, since this many people are already pushing me, there's a bus argument.
I'm still reading, will try to post more later but may not be until tomorrow.quieter of a day if I don't get to it today.mucuV/LA on Weekends-
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Assuming that roles were not changed, with the claim I think it's Sky out of the first group.
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lucca says this about Invis, but then never mentions them again until D2, where he's pushing people that voted for Invis.In post 613, lucca261 wrote: also concerned that 90% of Invisibility content is talking about Not_Mafia when NM has been doing nothing since like page 7
the "My worldview is based around Not_Mafia" on @459 is weird for me based around on how detached Invi is from the game
like it kinda tells me he was worried about how people would read his catch-up? (not necessarily something only scum would be worried about, but given how detached he feels...)V/LA on Weekends-
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Dang English people, you're right. Fake claim argument is retracted.V/LA on Weekends-
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lol, this is great. You're accusing me of "blatantly distorting my views to push me". Let's go over the facts, shall we?
Of the10times that you mention Invisibility at all before 1527, you use "Invi"twice. Upon reviewing your ISO, I did a search for "Invis" and did miss those two instances in that one post. That post, which conveniently happens to be saying you'd be willing to vote there, still not voting there, and after the hammer. So yes, it was close to the other post, but I didn't see it based on my specific search for which I was using.
Then 1529 is just laughable. I said in 1495,Black said anything about you.before
So, where's the misrep?V/LA on Weekends-
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So if I'm reading this correctly you're scum reading Black, but my flip is what will give you insight into Black's alignment? Why would me flipping green change your mind about Black?In post 1595, Save The Dragons wrote: VOTE: shadow I think they have some partner equity with black so this would give me some insightV/LA on Weekends-
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I came back to the game to see my post from earlier never actually posted, and just disappeared from the post box.
This part I'm good with. You're wrong, but that's part of the game. Thinking my posts are unimpressive shouldn't be scummy, unless you're trying to push something for no better reason. Do you regularly consider "not blatantly town" scum?In post 1617, Save The Dragons wrote: Hi
I am scum reading you
I think your activity and posts have been unimpressive. I am sympathetic to rl issues so I will keep thinking about this but that's where I'm at now.
This is the part I don't like. D1I think if you flip red, black would be a potential partner
I think if you flip green, I'm not sure what it would mean for blacks alignment, but I would consider this fact when thinking about it.andD2 you don't talk about me at all. Then beginning of D3 you come in, naked vote me, and then claim that it's from me doing nothing (which again, at most should be NAI).
Black you also don't mention on D1orD2. Come D3 you call Jake's push on Black a vanity wagon in 1466, then post half arguments about Black, vote her, unvote her, then continue to shade her.
After that, you go back to me, saying there's partner equity. So either you don't think Black is scum anymoreunlessI'm scum (which doesn't sound like how you're viewing her as of this post - I realize later posts may indicate otherwise) or flipping me first doesn't make sense with that as a reason.V/LA on Weekends-
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What are your thoughts on Sky? I can't tell what your actual read is on her based on your recent posts, and isn't she doing basically the same thing?In post 1704, Save The Dragons wrote: i don't really like that Jake was present D1 but ever since then he's just throwing barbs out and not doing anything to look for scum
It's all good, as long as people don't start attacking me personally I don't take it personal, I know the game can get like that sometimes.In post 1705, lucca261 wrote: got a little heated unexpectedly (sorry Shaddow, think I crossed the line a little bit)V/LA on Weekends-
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Not sure what this means, if anything, yet. Black and StD are the only players on both mislims (though I would have hammered Jacob if he was still alive when I came back). With 3 scum it's easy enough for them to split up.V/LA on Weekends-
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Other game finally ended after a dragged out final Day, so I can say things I've been holding back on. The Skygazer had steam on it until all of a sudden it didn't, and pivoted to me as a strong counter wagon. On top of that, Sky's play here is different than in 894. It feels like she's trying to be as nonchalant as she was in that game, but trying a little bit more. It feels forced, and while I don't disagree with StD that her play makes it seem like she's thinking about the game, I don't see why that can't be from a scum POV.In post 1714, Black wrote: I will vote sky, StD, Jackson...whatever counterwagon to shaddow's gets the most support
VOTE: SkygazerV/LA on Weekends-
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In post 1786, Skygazer wrote: i don't feel particularly compelled by the shaddow wagon but can go there if i need toWhere are your scum reads? Enough people have already stated willingness to lim me, this feels like an easy hop.
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If desired I'll claim, but it makes my role almost useless.V/LA on Weekends-
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I'm a novice babysitter. N1 I couldn't do anything, N2 I chose Cakez.
In post 319, shaddowez wrote: I'm clueless as to why there's a wagon on me right now.In post 368, shaddowez wrote: The fact that there's a wagon on me is crazy
^ All things Alicia Silverstone was in (she was also in The Babysitter). As I said, terrible, but it was the best I could do.In post 446, shaddowez wrote: Let's see if a player can be scorched like disappearing ink!V/LA on Weekends-
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clueless
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Mean to highlight the exact things in the quotes.V/LA on Weekends-
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Ebwop. Going to get more coffee now, apparently I shouldn't be posting yet.In post 1873, shaddowez wrote: Meant to highlight the exact things in the quotes.V/LA on Weekends-
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1) I forgot at the time I submittedIn post 1875, Argonauts wrote: WHY WOULD YOU TARGET THE CLAIMED ASCETIC
WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU GUYS
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2) Even after I realized I was dumb and was thinking that only active roles were affected (cop/rolecop/tracker/etc), not all.V/LA on Weekends-
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I will say the blind faith is starting to feel like TMI.In post 1878, Black wrote: Seems believable. So does the claimV/LA on Weekends-
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I had my own idea, but who are you thinking?In post 1880, Argonauts wrote: So anyway, we can leash shaddowez so that vigging him takes out another PoE tonightV/LA on Weekends-
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That's why I said claiming makes my role essentially useless, because either:In post 1897, Jake The Wolfie wrote: Isn't Shadez just claiming to be an advanced Doctor? How would babysitter ever be informationally useful?
1) I continue protecting like normal and scum gets a 2 for 1 when they decide to kill me, or
2) I don't protect anyone, and risk scum not killing me for WIFOM.V/LA on Weekends-
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Granted those aren't the only two options, but me continuing to protect while hoping they kill not me is risky at best, since that also protects another target.V/LA on Weekends-
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Not on for long, but here to say I babysat StD last night.V/LA on Weekends-
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This brings up a good point - why did you claim when you did?In post 1956, Argonauts wrote:
i think we've claimed?In post 1954, Jake The Wolfie wrote: Antigon, Argon, and Progon. What are your roles?
but we are backup miller who is now just miller cause cakez is dead.
~oV/LA on Weekends-
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Also, I have no clue why there are instagram tags in my previous post...V/LA on Weekends-
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You claimed in 243, right after Cakez claimed in 235. Vig wasn't mentioned until well after that.In post 1963, Argonauts wrote:
I originally figured we didn't need to unless a miller flipped. Then Cakez claimed vig and was scumreading us over this post where Orpheus jokingly crumbed backup cop:In post 1960, shaddowez wrote: [instagram][/instagram]
This brings up a good point - why did you claim when you did?In post 1956, Argonauts wrote:
i think we've claimed?In post 1954, Jake The Wolfie wrote: Antigon, Argon, and Progon. What are your roles?
but we are backup miller who is now just miller cause cakez is dead.
~o
So I went "nope, not gonna get shot by the vig over the silly crumb" and clarified.In post 18, Argonauts wrote: black, we meet again.
also, i'll just VOTE: roden
consider this not serious.
k, i'm going to regret this.
unless drew and aureal want it, i'm not going to crumb.
pls tell me if u want me to sign with my username instead.
c u, not a crumb.
~o
(pls, i hope i don't regret this.)
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Completely ignoring claims for the moment StD, largely based on voting records.considering this could be multiball.Especially
Not liking Argo's claim/explanation either. Seems convenient that there was a "crumb" and then chose backup miller after a miller was claimed. The "I was afraid I was gonna get vigged" is based on 72 and 236, so something's just not sitting right with me there.V/LA on Weekends-
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On mobile so can't just quote the one line from the rules, but it says the antitown players have an equal chance of being mafia or werewolf, unless that's for the entire faction?In post 1970, Jake The Wolfie wrote:
I don't think this is multiball?In post 1968, shaddowez wrote: Completely ignoring claims for the moment StD, largely based on voting records.considering this could be multiball.Especially
Not liking Argo's claim/explanation either. Seems convenient that there was a "crumb" and then chose backup miller after a miller was claimed. The "I was afraid I was gonna get vigged" is based on 72 and 236, so something's just not sitting right with me there.
DE hasn't done anything to change my mind since 1500, but as far as I can tell Black was the only other person that agreed.Any thoughts on Lucca?V/LA on Weekends-
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