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Sup nerds and Gamma and gob and maybe Cookwe haven't played together but 3d20 was a lot of fun
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Is anyone in the playerlist familiar with you as town? You've rolled scum in like every completed game on site iirc - maybe one town game?In post 38, gob wrote: Honestly limming me here might be the most optimal play
Because I am town, and if the mafia knew my capabilities they would know I win here if left alive for more than 1 day as town. So mafia should kill me tonight.
Therefore the most optimal thing for me to do is die and give info on my way out, since I can give more info being the mislim than I can being NK'd.
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What does it being an open setup have to do with gob's post?In post 43, Claptastik wrote:
I think it's an open setup and you're full of shit.In post 38, gob wrote: Honestly limming me here might be the most optimal play
Because I am town, and if the mafia knew my capabilities they would know I win here if left alive for more than 1 day as town. So mafia should kill me tonight.
Therefore the most optimal thing for me to do is die and give info on my way out, since I can give more info being the mislim than I can being NK'd.
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I guess speaking of it being an open setup, I'm not sure if everyone knows we just finished this setup and won in 2 Days, half of this playerlist was in that game, also modded by Alianna. I think it was mentioned in her /in to mod in open queue.
Anyways, we hypoclaimed as 2/4/8/10 roles on the clock due to Mafia Rolecop being repeated at 3/9, and due to being able to disguise some of the 1/5/7/11 claims as 2/4/8/10. I think in hindsight that it worked out well but it was mainly because we killed the Goon on D1 so we had 2 clears by the morning of D2.
It pretty quickly became apparent to me as VT with less info than scum, who one of the PRs was and fortunately due to the hypoclaims we were in a strong spot assuming I had identified the Vanilla Cop/Rolecop correctly. Turned out that I had, but I think in most cases the hypoclaiming is going to lead to the PRs being easier to find. Maybe if we D1 scum again it makes sense to hypoclaim again because of the possibility of POEing the last scum by way of innos, but short of killing scum D1 I don't think it's a good idea.P,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
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Technically scum!Gamma conceded N2 because she was mechanically guiltied in the morningP,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
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You say"if the mafia knew my capabilities"- so if nobody knows your towngame as I suspect is the case, what is your goal in bringing this up in the first place?P,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
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Hasn't black like legit not posted yet?P,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
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Policy in a 9p? Seems susIn post 81, Cook wrote: gob is too much of a loose cannon for me to gauge accurately
currently i'd vote him on policy
VOTE: Cook
Gob feels very confident here, hard to imagine scum plays like thisP,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
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Have you seen this happen? I don't remember that being the case when I was meta diving them last game and they seemed easy to read. How involved were you in the last run of this setup? I remember Adorable was making a lot of the posts, were you keeping up as much?In post 97, gob wrote: Elements seems to get limmed Day 1 often.P,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
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I read your ISO in a bunch of your games and did not pay too much attention to the transition between D1 and D2/onward because the mod was not included - generally though the vote hopping is NAI and I must assume if you kept it up into D2 you'd get limmed for itIn post 130, Elements wrote:@Kyoukoyou read a bunch of my games, do I calm down when it's not day 1?P,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
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I don't want to see a policy lim from you or from Clap - I'm not against them on principle, but in a 9p game that's just wasteful. I think Larges are the place for policy and even then it should only be the last resort.In post 128, Cook wrote: i don't know what to make of this elements
i think she'll be easier to read later on
you're very flippant right nowIn post 106, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
Policy in a 9p? Seems susIn post 81, Cook wrote: gob is too much of a loose cannon for me to gauge accurately
currently i'd vote him on policy
VOTE: Cook
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Any thoughts on this especially from those that were in the previous game and experienced the hypoclaims playing out? Doc & Drew (Gamma), gob, Elements, Mizuki? Technically shaddowes too but he replaced out of that game early onIn post 54, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: I guess speaking of it being an open setup, I'm not sure if everyone knows we just finished this setup and won in 2 Days, half of this playerlist was in that game, also modded by Alianna. I think it was mentioned in her /in to mod in open queue.
Anyways, we hypoclaimed as 2/4/8/10 roles on the clock due to Mafia Rolecop being repeated at 3/9, and due to being able to disguise some of the 1/5/7/11 claims as 2/4/8/10. I think in hindsight that it worked out well but it was mainly because we killed the Goon on D1 so we had 2 clears by the morning of D2.
It pretty quickly became apparent to me as VT with less info than scum, who one of the PRs was and fortunately due to the hypoclaims we were in a strong spot assuming I had identified the Vanilla Cop/Rolecop correctly. Turned out that I had, but I think in most cases the hypoclaiming is going to lead to the PRs being easier to find. Maybe if we D1 scum again it makes sense to hypoclaim again because of the possibility of POEing the last scum by way of innos, but short of killing scum D1 I don't think it's a good idea.P,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
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Everyone makes ahypothetical claim as to what their action/target/result is - allowing the real PRs to claim their actions/results within the rest of the hypoclaims to be used post-flip.
We were all supposed to claim as though we were one of the roles on 2/4/8/10 on the clock because they are adjacent to the 2 instances of Mafia Rolecop on 3 and 9. If we had an actual PR that was on 1/5/7/11, they were supposed to claim as though they were 2/4/8/10. For example a Vanilla Cop on 1 could have claimed a Rolecop result that corresponds to the Vanilla cop result they actually got. As it turned out we had the actual Roleblocker (Elements) on 8 claim as though they were a Jailkeeper on 5 which was surprising but it worked out just the same.
In theory it seemed like a good plan and it did work in that game because we hit scum D1 and ended up with 4 clears on D2 off of night actions, but I think in practice that more often than not it will lead to POEing/outing the real PRs.P,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
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Feels worth considering maybe.In post 140, Mizuki wrote: I mean, I think you have a point in the PR's being easier to find, but also, the hypoclaims happen D2. The perfect scum game here is a 3-day game, and I think max is like 5? So I don't think the PR's being easier to find on D2 is really that much of a disaster. They ended up full-claiming on D2 last game anyways.
VT lim>VT NK leaves 5:2 T:S, and 3:2 vanilla:PR within town on D2, if PRs are found on D2 they'll really only ever be NKed and not eliminated (as long as they aren't speedwagoned).
So D3 you would in worst case be at 3:2 ELO with a flipped PRs result that is not a clear, maybe sometimes it's a clear like if a Rolecop finds a doctor, but keep in mind that last game we killed the Goon D1 so when the Roleblocker and Rolecop claimed their actions we had 4 clears. If we hadn't killed a Goon on D1 both of those results would be meaningless.
I don't think hypoclaiming D2 is right unless we are very careful to claim something that makes sense with our reads (which I was not, and to be fair that was my mistake). Even then I'm not sure, I don't think it works out if we haven't hit scum on D1.P,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
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What about Clap's posting stands out? I feel like very little is standing out this game, except gob. All I can remember about Clap and Cook is them briefly talking about policyIn post 146, Mizuki wrote:
Eh, fair enough. When I suggested it last game it was mostly as an off-the-cuff idea rather than something I had brainstormed zealously. I'm not a mechanical powerhouse by any means.In post 143, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
Feels worth considering maybe.In post 140, Mizuki wrote: I mean, I think you have a point in the PR's being easier to find, but also, the hypoclaims happen D2. The perfect scum game here is a 3-day game, and I think max is like 5? So I don't think the PR's being easier to find on D2 is really that much of a disaster. They ended up full-claiming on D2 last game anyways.
VT lim>VT NK leaves 5:2 T:S, and 3:2 vanilla:PR within town on D2, if PRs are found on D2 they'll really only ever be NKed and not eliminated (as long as they aren't speedwagoned).
So D3 you would in worst case be at 3:2 ELO with a flipped PRs result that is not a clear, maybe sometimes it's a clear like if a Rolecop finds a doctor, but keep in mind that last game we killed the Goon D1 so when the Roleblocker and Rolecop claimed their actions we had 4 clears. If we hadn't killed a Goon on D1 both of those results would be meaningless.
I don't think hypoclaiming D2 is right unless we are very careful to claim something that makes sense with our reads (which I was not, and to be fair that was my mistake). Even then I'm not sure, I don't think it works out if we haven't hit scum on D1.
I get bad vibes about Claptastik's posting so far
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Wait so Mizuki did you not know Cook was not hammered?P,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
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Is this traditionally ordered, like in tiers of town down to scum?In post 157, Cook wrote: ssbm/black is my strongest pairing right now but i'm willing to be wrong there
think i'd sort like
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Dont think it makes sense for scum!gob to test cook like that unless the scumteam is exactly {gob,cook}, but if that's the case I don't think this play can ever work in the long haul
Cook I believe she could have thought she was dead because Mizuki's vote change was in a wall.P,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
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Mizuki should have known it wasn't a hammer though - her vote is the one that had moved off of Cook and the VC was right there above the 2 votes within like 5 postsIn post 167, gob wrote:I mean that is kind of a weird post I will say. But do you really think mafia is going to be thinking about that at (what was perceived) EoD/Hammer? I feel like they would be more concerned about their positioning and the positioning of their partner
Yea im not confirmed. I sorta thought i was but im not from a 3rd party view.In post 166, Black wrote:
Cook maybe, but even thatIn post 164, gob wrote: Well, since I am basically confirmed town and so is Cookcouldhave been theatre. Why would you be confirmed?P,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
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This was the next thing I was going to post as a reminder - not to quick hammer and not to hammer any un-CCed PR claims. In the games of this setup that scum won a lot like that had happened.In post 169, Mizuki wrote: Black what exactly do you find wrong with my reaction? Kyouko and I had a brief discussion last game on why Town lost previous runs of this setup, which involved PR's getting quickhammered/limmed after claim, which was my specific objection to the (perceived) gob quickhammer.P,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
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Like I got offline and was thinking about the game and remembered about that as well. It's felt like I don't need to go over everything in as much detail this time because half of us just played this setup togetherP,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
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Still 7 days to go, same thing happened in last game and he was townIn post 184, gob wrote: shaddowez i think has been a little under the radar.P,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
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In post 190, Claptastik wrote:
I'm close to this. Biggest difference is ssbm. Why town?In post 157, Cook wrote: ssbm/black is my strongest pairing right now but i'm willing to be wrong there
think i'd sort like
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{shaddowez, doc and drew}She talks more about past games than this one.Is this why you're voting me?
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I think you're town unless it's exactly you and Cook, and as town I think you'll find me on your own. If you want to talk about something I'm all ears but you said you're not getting town vibes and that my posts are long and complicated.
Long and complicated posts are my shtick and you'd know that if you'd paid attention in the last game. You'll find the vibes eventually I think, but maybe I'm equating you too much with Transcend. Your play reminds me of his and you're both from TOS.P,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
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Could you take me through some of these reads then? Pretty sure you're town here from the fake hammer, but a lot of this doesn't make sense.In post 200, Cook wrote:
nope, it's reverse orderedIn post 197, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
Is this traditionally ordered, like in tiers of town down to scum?In post 157, Cook wrote: ssbm/black is my strongest pairing right now but i'm willing to be wrong there
think i'd sort like
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{elements, gob}
{claptastik} is null for lack of activity
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{shaddowez, doc and drew}
gob can be town though
Elements I seem to remember you stating was a soul read; i have no idea why you read me as scum. Black i can see because she E-1ed you after gob claimed he would hammer any E-1s but is that the only reason or is there more to it?
Gob is one read that does make sense to me (after you moved him to town), as does claptastik, but speaking of null for lack of activity, why is shaddowez in your top town considering his activity?
Is the Mizuki read due to her reaction to your fake hammer or is there more to that too? And what about Doc and Drew? I don't remember you talking with/about them and they're literally not in your ISO at all, except where you say they're town. Looking at their ISO with yours you three haven't interacted at all.
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Can take me through all of them if you want but I just don't understand like more than half of this list and that's pretty not goodIn post 207, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: Could you take me through some of these reads then?P,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
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No way is Cook scum unless gob is also scum imo. If it weren't for the fake hammer I would not believe they were real. There are some there that make absolutely no sense and part of the reason I'm questioning them is to see if I'm missing the sense, and if not, to bring Cook to her senses because putting shaddowez into the highest town tier is actual nonsense. Here, let me quote shaddowez'whole ISO:
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Maybe I have played with Cook before because an upside down reads list sounds vaguely familiarP,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
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I don't believe she realized she wasn't hammered, her reaction seems very real. It could have been pre-planned toIn post 213, Black wrote:
I don't understand this. Why couldn't Cook be scum here that realized she wasn't hammered and played it off like she was? Why is she only scum if gob is scum?In post 211, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: No way is Cook scum unless gob is also scum imo.appearreal, and if so I'm fooled, but it would be pretty dumb of scumteam!{gob,Cook} to make this play, even if it is convincing now it falls apart later.
I guess it's conceivable that Cook can be scum with you since you set up the fake E-1 but I think you didn't know it was a fake E-1. I say she's only scum if gob is scum because if her reaction is faked it was planned ahead, and the only ones who she could plan it ahead with were you and gob. Initially I thought it could only have been gob.
If it is scum!gob, it only makes sense if he and Cook have planned this ahead of time as buddies, and even then it's incredibly risky. What happens if gob and Cook are still alive in 5p ELO as scum? Imo the paranoia really sinks in at this point and if one of them flips, the other is likely to be highly suspected and could possibly be guiltied overNight depending on the PRs. This just doesn't make sense.
If gob is scum and Cook is town, why does he fake hammer her here? It just gives her the opportunity to have a town reaction and clears her. What's the scum motivation there? Doesn't make sense, therefore if gob is scum, it's only with Cook. Cook could be scum with you here though, but again, I think Cook's reaction is real.
it will make sense when you catch upIn post 214, shaddowez wrote: Didn't get back to this until today and have to catch up, but I love that my entire ISO of 1 post so far is being used for something.P,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
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200 comes after 190/191 though? I also ignored gob when he became interested in limming me.In post 216, shaddowez wrote: VOTE: clap
I can't throw stones about post count/engagement, but the posts he has don't seem like he's trying to find information. 190 and 191 are super interesting, considering Cook clarifies in 200 that the order was reversed. In 189 he back off his Elements read, but completely ignores the question of limming him.
Cook, Gob are town here. Everyone else feels null or south of it, and I think my TRs are both scumreading me.
I feel like so many votes here are good I don't know where to go.
VOTE: Mizuki
Would like an answer on this to start@MizukiIn post 194, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: What about Clap's posting stands out? I feel like very little is standing out this game, except gob. All I can remember about Clap and Cook is them briefly talking about policyP,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
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Well specifically I've been talking about one game that shared half this playerlist and shares the setup and ended like a week ago so I would say it's relevant. I brought it up because the thread was dying out, and because I remembered that like half the playerlist was also not there for the last game and hasn't seen all the mech spec yet. I was hoping to drum up some more activity and also make previous players aware that hypoclaiming is probably not the way unless we hit scum D1.In post 225, Claptastik wrote:
Yes, obviously. You talk old games and setup spec. I don't see you trying to sort people at all.In post 205, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:In post 190, Claptastik wrote:
I'm close to this. Biggest difference is ssbm. Why town?In post 157, Cook wrote: ssbm/black is my strongest pairing right now but i'm willing to be wrong there
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{shaddowez, doc and drew}She talks more about past games than this one.Is this why you're voting me?
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Okay, I can see this now. Felt like the game was just dragging at that time.In post 227, Mizuki wrote:
I pointed out post 100, which was the post that pinged me specifically. It stuck out to me as someone who had zero interest in solving Elements alignmentIn post 222, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: Would like an answer on this to start@MizukiIn post 194, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: What about Clap's posting stands out? I feel like very little is standing out this game, except gob. All I can remember about Clap and Cook is them briefly talking about policyP,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
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That's assuming a "pairing" is the scumteam though, and not just a group of 2. I had to ask because it's really confusing with it being upside down. Clap agrees with the order as he read it so I don't see what's scummy about that, my point is that Cook didn't clarify it was upside down until 200 so how can Clap misinterpreting it in 190/191 be scummy if 200 hasn't happened yet?In post 241, shaddowez wrote:
True, but if Cook is telling the truth about it being reversed, Clap's agreement almost seems appeasy. In the post itself Cook says she's paring you and black which are in the top tier, so to "agree" with it means Clap didn't actually pay attention.In post 222, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: 200 comes after 190/191 though?I also ignored gob when he became interested in limming me.
See the bolded as well - I also ignored gob. Does that make me scum?P,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
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Pero like why?In post 246, Elements wrote: I think gob has jumped to my top scumread except whoever I'm voting atmP,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
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OhIn post 253, Elements wrote:
246 was clearly a reference to 242In post 250, Black wrote:In post 246, Elements wrote: I think gob has jumped to my top scumread except whoever I'm voting atmThis feels like a weird progression
Disregard my lastP,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
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I feel like the thread was dying out before I brought up the mechanics from the last run. I couldn't really get a read on anyone, nothing felt substantive, and I thought the fresh topic might generate some more readable materialIn post 258, Claptastik wrote:
Yes.In post 237, Doc and Drew wrote: Are you really calling your own posts townie?
My problems with her were that she was talking about old games and setup spec. Check her ISO - at 197 she started a series of posts which were about the players in this game. I'm concerned that she may have done thatHow exactly?becauseI made those observations, but for now, I'm looking elsewhere.
What do you think of my reads so far (other than yourself)?P,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
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In post 262, Claptastik wrote:
Yeah, like my scum read did!In post 251, Doc and Drew wrote: I do enjoy a three way dance, if anything this will get me more into the game at least lol.P,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
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No bloops
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What does this mean? Are you talking about when I compared you to Transcend?In post 279, gob wrote: I felt called out by i think it was kyouko. As a person.P,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
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I'm not sure how you can read my posting as obtuse, both in general and in this game. Could you show what you mean?In post 282, gob wrote: I don't like Kyouko's long posts. I feel like they are mostly fluff and commenting on unimportant stuff but in an obtuse manner.
She does this normally, but this game in particular they seem to be more obtuse. So I find that scummy and I'm gonna work to lim her.
I also am not a huge fan of how Elements progressed on me, but actually that probably solidifys Elements as town even more. The progression rubbed me the wrong way, but taking away those bad vibes it was a towny reaction. Because Elements is clearly not caring about whoever TR'd her, and not caring about necessarily having a solid reason for the vote.
You also seem quite easy to talk to. Everything seems good so far. If you're wolfing, I will enjoy playing with you in the future since your tone and logic is towny.
Doc and Drew I got a few town pings from them. Nothing substantial though.
Black I can't remember anything off the top of my head. So I would be down to lim Black today.
Shaddowez. Down to lim today potentially, but not where I want to look right now because Shaddowez is preparing to engage more.
Mizuki. Definitely feels weird and potentially scummy, but also like mislim bait. Not in the sense they're LHF moreso just the gamestate. Would still lim this Day 1.
ssbm_Kyouko. Where I mainly want to go. The long posts and stuff just feels like it's going nowhere.
What do you mean about Mizuki being mislim bait with regards to the gamestate? Do you mean her reaction to the fake hammer?
Side note for everyone else, I'm pretty sure gob is towntelling in this post as well, so it's even less likely gob and Cook planned the fake hammer. Keeping the towntell to myself, before anyone asksP,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
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Did you notice shaddowes didn't call me out for like the same thing? Something you even called me out for (ignoring your scumread on me)In post 294, gob wrote: Idk what you're trying to pull, but if you just quote one thing and say "wow thats a really really really weak reason" yea it looks weak when you frame it like that.
So now I have to consider you could be powerwolfing. Probably me wishful thinking thoever.
but seriously. I read all his posts and think he's out of the lim group for Day 1. Why you acting like I committed a crime?P,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
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In post 301, gob wrote: Sayingyou have hard time sinking your teeth in the gameis a little scummy to me.
Also can you tell im in a bad mood?
These are the same thing, Mizuki is just using more words to say it. I think we've all been feeling this way to some extent as well so I don't think it really makes sense to SR anyone for this when it's just how the game has been toDay.In post 290, Mizuki wrote:
And 99 was in response to 98, which was in turn a response to 97 which was about...Elements. gob's post there were a direct follow-up to your vote and posts against Elements. Indirectly or not, you were pushing there.In post 285, Claptastik wrote:
100 is a point on mafia theory in response to 99. Seems obvious to me in context.In post 281, Mizuki wrote: What do you call post 100 if not a push? You're actively giving a reason as to why you want an Elements elimination there, and again, it seems like you were pushing for it with zero actual interest in figuring out her actual alignment.
In post 282, gob wrote: Mizuki. Definitely feels weird and potentially scummy, but also like mislim bait. Not in the sense they're LHF moreso just the gamestate. Would still lim this Day 1.FWIW I agree I've been weird so far but mostly I just haven't found a place to get my foot in the door. In the early stages of the game I mostly read on tone and everyone's sounded fine to me so far, not much has pinged me in a way that I can convince myself to actively push, and I don't really want to push anything my heart isn't in, and there isn't much that I feel like engaging with.Claptastik is really the only thing so far.P,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
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Definitely shady you omitted the context of 211 and 221, kinda makes me think you forgot what it was and were looking to divert gob's attention. I'm guessing you opened my ISO and picked something you could latch on to out of it, and this is the first thing you foundIn post 323, Black wrote: VOTE: kyouko
After looking over things I think this is probably the most likely to flip scum
Outside of her mech talk and associative argument with gob/cook, there isn't much substance here. I think it's really easy for scum to just rely on discussing mech and wild theories like 211 and 221. I just don't think this read makes a lot of sense. Cook and gob can be scum individually without the other being scum and the fact that kyouko honed in on this kinda seems like busy work to me. It makes me think she knows they're town
With context (see quotes below), you first ask me how sure I am about town!Cook in 210 after I laid out the many problems with Cook's readslist (@Cook, still want an update on that). In 211 I'm answering your question concisely, because I am sure of it after reading the fake hammer situation, with the caveat that it could have been faked if Cook and gob are partnered, butthat is very unlikely. I think 213 just doesn't want town to find each other here, and 221 is just my response to your attempt to break those TRs down. I think you're getting worried because a lot of people are coming around to Cook and gob being town. 221 is not a wild theory, I just laid out the possible configurations and explained how I got to the conclusion in 211.
I was willing to accept you just weren't ready to buy that Cook couldn't have faked her reaction on the fly, but I think it's more than that. You're worried the possible mislims are closing around you too early since Cook is almost certainly cleared from that, and all without PR claims.
VOTE: Black
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I don't like the Clap wagon, and I don't mind the D&D wagon. Gamma hasn't really posted much and I'm going to have an easier time reading her than Drew.In post 366, Elements wrote: Kyouko do you not like either of the current wagons?
What are your reads like? I feel like last game it was possible to follow what you were thinking, and here you're back to your usual D1 self voting just about everywhere.P,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
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She's now saying 323 was a lazy case but the timing of it felt really convenient too. Just as gob is voicing the possibility of scum!Black at the top of that page, she brings me up, like a distraction I think. It's known at that point I'm the one gob wants to lim the most toDay.In post 372, Doc and Drew wrote:
Out of everyone, why them?In post 368, gob wrote: We're not doing the hydra sorry guys. I think Mizuki is a valid option
Why are people seeing scum in Black?In post 365, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
Definitely shady you omitted the context of 211 and 221, kinda makes me think you forgot what it was and were looking to divert gob's attention. I'm guessing you opened my ISO and picked something you could latch on to out of it, and this is the first thing you foundIn post 323, Black wrote: VOTE: kyouko
After looking over things I think this is probably the most likely to flip scum
Outside of her mech talk and associative argument with gob/cook, there isn't much substance here. I think it's really easy for scum to just rely on discussing mech and wild theories like 211 and 221. I just don't think this read makes a lot of sense. Cook and gob can be scum individually without the other being scum and the fact that kyouko honed in on this kinda seems like busy work to me. It makes me think she knows they're town
With context (see quotes below), you first ask me how sure I am about town!Cook in 210 after I laid out the many problems with Cook's readslist (@Cook, still want an update on that). In 211 I'm answering your question concisely, because I am sure of it after reading the fake hammer situation, with the caveat that it could have been faked if Cook and gob are partnered, butthat is very unlikely. I think 213 just doesn't want town to find each other here, and 221 is just my response to your attempt to break those TRs down. I think you're getting worried because a lot of people are coming around to Cook and gob being town. 221 is not a wild theory, I just laid out the possible configurations and explained how I got to the conclusion in 211.
I was willing to accept you just weren't ready to buy that Cook couldn't have faked her reaction on the fly, but I think it's more than that. You're worried the possible mislims are closing around you too early since Cook is almost certainly cleared from that, and all without PR claims.
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I just don't know if I buy it, I feel like it doesnt feel quite right.P,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
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Stealing thisIn post 391, gob wrote: You can disagree with it, but it's argument about how best to play the game.P,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
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I don't love the wagon (Clap is fine), but aside from that, I don't really want to lim Gamma's hydra right now because I can read her really well and the content isn't there to read yet.In post 399, Black wrote:
Gob's read on you did influence my decision to look at your ISO. I think he's town. I wanted to do something that could hook me but I wasn't willing to put in much effort. I just wasn't feeling it this morning, and it showsIn post 397, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: She's now saying 323 was a lazy case but the timing of it felt really convenient too. Just as gob is voicing the possibility of scum!Black at the top of that page, she brings me up, like a distraction I think. It's known at that point I'm the one gob wants to lim the most toDay
I don't regret it though because I think I got a decent read from your reaction to it. If you're willing to trust me for now I think we have a decent chance fading scum with D&DP,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
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We've played together enough that it (should be) something she's aware of without me having to say itIn post 408, Claptastik wrote:
If that's true and she's scum, you've just told her to let Doc do all the posting.In post 405, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: I don't love the wagon (Clap is fine), but aside from that, I don't really want to lim Gamma's hydra right now because I can read her really well and the content isn't there to read yet.
I must not be understanding your meaning then. What I mean is I'm often getting myself inIn post 409, gob wrote:
Couldnt be more untrue.In post 407, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: The words only have one meaning though
Anyway if youre not wolfing, prove itsituationsbecause I havehot opinionsabout how the game should be played. I think those words are useful in those situations. I usually have a hard time conveying the simple meaning that those words have (to me)P,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
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I think you have an expectation of what scum should be, and I'm fitting that for you, but you're by your own admission unwilling to engage me about it.P,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
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Like I understand ignoring 361 if you don't feel like talking about it, that's whatever, I don't think it's super important and I was just curious, but you still haven't commented on 362. I don't think you plan to, which again is fine. I'm not scumreading you, and I don't think you're quite "tunneled" to the point where I need to try to open your eyes for you.
You still have eyes for other eliminations so I don't think your scumread on me is jeopardizing your ability to read the game.P,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
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Are you really that cool if you didn't take post 420?P,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
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Nothing changed in there. Doc posted I guess (396 is a reply to 366, think of it as being there if you're looking for what happened between the two posts), but it was mostly him shitposting. I
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Are you thinking Elements is out of their chaotic phase already?In post 425, Black wrote:
I don't think this is the gotcha that you think it is. I wasn't around at the beginning of the game to experience chaotic Elements in real timeIn post 424, shaddowez wrote:
O.oIn post 421, Black wrote: I have a similar reaction to her when I'm townP,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
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396: I don't mind there is a wagon on them.
405: I don't love the composition of the wagon on them (except Clap, who is fine). I don't want to lim Gamma because I can read her.P,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
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