open 896: describing conker (game over)
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hi
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i don't think its dannIn post 46, Aristeia wrote: im gonna guess the scum team as elements + dannflor on page 2
i dont care that dannflor hasnt posted yet that's never stopped me-
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see?
scum dann would never-
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i think the nice thing about this setup is that it does give you some info immediately to talk about bc scum made decisions about who goes where
i guess i don't really have strong opinions about it but my vibe is unironically that dann scum arranges things differently
and on the other side i could pretty easily imagine ari scum setting things up this way-
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also general heads up that ill probably be less active compared to previous games
idk we'll see-
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i guess my thought process with dann went like:
i see the groups -> my eye is immediately drawn to dann as someone who like stands out as someone i want to focus on and sort in our group -> i think dann would probably want to avoid this singular focus bc he is dann the deepwolf -> dann probably doesn't make that choice as scum-
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not specifically me just like the general composition of the group i guess-
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ok actually i guess if he's scum with ari then he might. i could believe that-
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i think that you would be confident in your ability to not be the first lim in the small hood, and i think that kind of narrow focus plays to your strengths. you can just tunnel a townie and yeet them while not leaving any associations behind
idk if there's like a standard for where people lim first in this setup idr if ive ever read a game of it. but either way
i don't think you being in the small hood makes you more likely to be scum but i think it is pretty believable that scum!you would want to go there. like compared to ydra for example i am a little more ehhh on the prospect of her choosing that path-
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more important yes but like anyone could not be the first lim in the big hood. it doesn't take much to accomplish that i think
does this setup tend to play out with the small hood not mattering? that seems weird to me but idk-
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according to wiki there's been 6 of these and in 4 of those they went for small hood first
in the other 2 they hit scum in the big hood and instawon lol
even if it's been higher success rate to go for big hood, it seems a little silly to say the small hood doesn't matter?-
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i do take this back lol. maybe it isn't so easyIn post 84, fireisredsir wrote:but like anyone could not be the first lim in the big hood. it doesn't take much to accomplish that i think-
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elements feels like their position on ari developed as a result of ari's read on ydra (which sets up a 1v1) rather than being a natural result of their own read on ydra or ari-
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In post 116, Elements wrote:
yesIn post 115, fireisredsir wrote: elements feels like their position on ari developed as a result of ari's read on ydra (which sets up a 1v1) rather than being a natural result of their own read on ydra or ari-
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why can't ydra be the scum in the small hood fypov-
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i probably would have put more thought into the setup than i currently have so idkIn post 118, Dannflor wrote: how do you set up the neighborhoods as scum fire
i think id probably stack a hood with people i know just bc its fun-
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the line of logic from dann and daisy here is also what i was thinking for ari over ydra being more likely to opt into small hood
idk elements' scum style-
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elements/knott imo-
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elements who do you think is scum in the big hood?-
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similar vibe is why i thought the vote on knott felt like they felt pressured into making itIn post 195, Dannflor wrote: i mean i read it as kind of tongue in cheek
but all of your posts have this kind of "oh im just joking around playing fast and loose hehe look at me" type vibe that feels... like you're taking it a little too far?
it feels like you're trying a little too hard to be carefree-
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i read this as a suspect list, are you saying it was a townread list?In post 129, Elements wrote: Fire, Daisy, Meuh-
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i don't think it's scummy if you disregard the contextIn post 212, OopsieDaisy wrote:
the extra naked vote on top of two others is super in character for elements, there's nothing scummy about it at all imo.In post 210, Dannflor wrote: is fire's terrible push on elements in the room with us now?
that said, i misunderstood what elements' reads were at the time so now i think it's a lot more believable for it to be a town move-
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my point was that it felt more like "i have to do this in order to look town" rather than something they actually wanted to doIn post 215, OopsieDaisy wrote: el is known for running up any wagon they see, they even put a disclaimer saying they wanted to avoid doing it to cause e-1's this game here:
In post 53, Elements wrote: Before anyone says anything I'm not planning on trying to push anyone to e-1 early this game-
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its not impossible but i think its a little unlikely that ari as scum would see a gamestate where things were kinda dead and nothing was happening, and decide to break that by starting a wagon on knott
it's like a pretty proactive, get things moving, prod the town to life sort of play
and she could just not do that-
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idk maybe
i just remember looking at the thread a few times and wishing someone would do something to move the game forward and then she did
so that maybe made it feel extra towny to me-
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okay, sorry.In post 241, Aristeia wrote: I don't think I'd characterize my scum play as pretending to be wallpaper but thank you for the vote of confidence fireisredsir-
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oh. ok! :>
i might read too much into things
and i am still remembering how to play this game-
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pocketedIn post 257, Aristeia wrote: this is going to be so embarrassing if the one time I don't scumread you you're actually mafia-
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that's probably trueIn post 264, Dannflor wrote:
I think if I am scum and I am presented with a dead game state I tend to view that as an opportunity to take control of the game and/or get town cred. Not taking action usually just hands the initiative off to a townie who is willing to do it instead.In post 240, fireisredsir wrote: idk maybe
i just remember looking at the thread a few times and wishing someone would do something to move the game forward and then she did
so that maybe made it feel extra towny to me
Why didn't you do something to move the game forward?
and idk im shy uwu-
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knott wagon: 2 consecutive votes, elements responds by joining the wagon
my wagon: 2 consecutive votes, elements responds by questioning the wagon
what caused the difference in response?-
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i thought that evaporated-
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i pretty much agree with these reads except for the part where you scumread meIn post 296, Black wrote:Spoiler: Pages 6-12
First thoughts fresh off the read is that Ari, Dann, and Afrayed feel pretty townie. Oopsie is a townlean. Not feeling great about Fire, Elements, and Meuh. Fire/Elements is my gut solve. Maybe Meuh/Elements
I like the Fire wagon but I don't really want to put it at e-1, so...
VOTE: Elements
and im still a little skeptical of oopsie but eh-
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my first read on the game was that you and elements back and forth in the first 3 pages felt a little overly constructed and unnatural to me. like it felt like a topic that you knew you had to talk about but it felt more like going through the motions to me, especially the thought process in 18. and 54 into 55 into no reply just felt like a strange interaction. that was why i voted you, and told ari that her dann/elements solve was wrong cause it wasn't dannIn post 303, OopsieDaisy wrote:
Can I ask why?In post 302, fireisredsir wrote: and im still a little skeptical of oopsie but eh
but then when i read your game where you were scum with elements, there wasn't really a similar playful-but-stiff vibe to your interactions, so i lost a little interest in that solve. i did notice though that you seemed pretty comfortable with coming up with thoughts and there was an element of trying to establish footing in the game that felt familiar. which at least made me hesitant to townread you for that type of play
at this point i don't really feel any strong active scumread feelings towards you but i also don't feel like i have a lot of leads in the big hood either. i thought knott was scummy until his "nope i have no reads" in the face of a wagon felt a little towny to me. meuh is a scumlean i guess but more due to having a quieter presence, i don't really know how to read meuh, im usually wrong. black slot and dann feel fine to me-
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why did you townread me in the first place? that was always what my iso looked like-
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for the knott part, it didn't seem off to me, i think he tries to reach out to people like that as town (usually giving them like, one chance) if she isn't confident that they're scumIn post 348, Dannflor wrote: to expand, i think it is more focused on looking good than actually getting alignment indicative content from knott
i also think 257 is kinda awkward and pockety?
the pocket on me probably worked though-
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typo obviously. she-
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we had this discussion earlier and i did look at the other runs of this. it's mostly been small hood lim first (4 to 2) but the big hood lims have been more successful-
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i do not get what you mean-
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meuh was saying the opposite (which makes sense)-
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meuh said that limming in small hood there is the upside of being a higher chance of hitting scum, but the downside being that there's still a wide pool to look through for associatives, and if we focused on the small hood there might not be many anyway
i do not understand what elements was trying to say, the logic feels backwards-
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i had a dream that meuh said "sorry everyone but you can stop voting me, im not a deepwolf" and then i was gonna say "true, you're a shallow wolf" but then i thought that sounded mean so i didn't-
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actually yes i think soIn post 415, Elements wrote:
So to try and explain further with examples:In post 382, Elements wrote:
it feels like a double edge sword, if we fade in the big group we can win, but we also only get assosiatives with 3 players? (kinda, not really but you get what I mean) But limmin in the small group we can get 6 assosiatives to look at ya know?In post 380, Black wrote: After reading the setup my first thought was to fade in the small hood because I liked the odds but fading in the big hood is definitely more intriguing
Day 1 we lim a town in the big hood
Big hood players 1 is actively pushing for the mislim
Small hood players 1 is pushing for a mislim but also protecting someone
The reverse being true for mislimming in the small hood but the protecting associatives can be looked at for 6 players rather than 3
Does that make more sense?
it isnt how i would think about it but i follow what you're saying at least-
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fwiw for me at least the early meta stuff i was thinking about on dann/ydra/ari was mostly just a starting point before we had real posts to look at. im not really taking that into account much at this point (it's always fun to try, but i don't think trying to predict that sort of thing is super likely to be accurate) so idk if i would recommend sheeping itIn post 418, OopsieDaisy wrote: I still wanna sheep Ydra meta stuff and on the surface I like what she's posting
but i do generally like ydra's posting as well, feels more like she's doing things bc there's actual thoughts behind them rather than for the sake of making it look like she has thoughts-
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no!!!!In post 461, Meuh wrote: @Fire you are scum-
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i was off reading toriel's patience since you linked it actually lolIn post 463, Meuh wrote: Fire did say he was bored in the hood 10 minutes before I started posting and then didn't show up, that deserves a vote at least
i agree that is a pretty towny ydra but my instinct is that there's just different flavors and i think the solving energy feels similar there to here in terms of where she finds a point she's interested in and prods at it-
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my immediate read is that the meuh return feels a lot like the town meuh that ive previously incorrectly interpreted as scum meuhIn post 464, OopsieDaisy wrote:
Yea I'm interested to hear if he has any thoughts on your return considering how much he and Dann were anticipating it.In post 463, Meuh wrote: Fire did say he was bored in the hood 10 minutes before I started posting and then didn't show up, that deserves a vote at least
im not like entirely sure what scum meuh actually looks like though-
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do you think this is more likely to come from scum?In post 467, OopsieDaisy wrote: For the sake of taking a stance, your return initially threw me off a bit with the "BAD!!!!!" posting accusations. It read to me as annoyance that you were being pushed and wanted to lash out moreso than good thought-out posting.-
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to elaborate on this (and the question i asked daisy) i think there is a sort of indignance to being pushed and confidence in the face of that where its like "oh yeah? well this is what i think." and i think my gut instinct is to see that as blustery and faked but in the past that instinct has been wrongIn post 470, fireisredsir wrote:
my immediate read is that the meuh return feels a lot like the town meuh that ive previously incorrectly interpreted as scum meuhIn post 464, OopsieDaisy wrote:
Yea I'm interested to hear if he has any thoughts on your return considering how much he and Dann were anticipating it.In post 463, Meuh wrote: Fire did say he was bored in the hood 10 minutes before I started posting and then didn't show up, that deserves a vote at least
im not like entirely sure what scum meuh actually looks like though
i think her engagement with ydra and trying to explain a thought that maybe isn't super explainable and the notes of frustration that comes along with that feels towny as well-
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i would say mafia generally has more motivation to look like they're having good faith interactions with the people pushing them, because they know they're town and often want them on their sideIn post 472, OopsieDaisy wrote:
Depends on the player and their meta, and I don't know Meuh's. In general I'd say it's slightly scummy but I acknowledge a lot of that comes from a personal preference towards good faith interactions and not anything super backed by mafia theory.In post 471, fireisredsir wrote:
do you think this is more likely to come from scum?In post 467, OopsieDaisy wrote: For the sake of taking a stance, your return initially threw me off a bit with the "BAD!!!!!" posting accusations. It read to me as annoyance that you were being pushed and wanted to lash out moreso than good thought-out posting.
whereas the lack of knowledge that town has can sometimes lead to more lashing out and annoyance at being pushed
not that being nice is scummy or anything like that, but i think that the information that scum has about people's alignment can make interactions have a different flavor
and like in this particular case i don't really see why that would be a reaction that scum meuh would have here except for trying to imitate a town meuh. in which case why can't it just simply be a town meuh-
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i have played with scum meuh and have read i think every scum meuh game, i was just saying that in the past ive incorrectly applied lessons learned from those
im noncommittal bc historically ive been pretty bad at reading her-
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probably a better phrased statement in 470 would have been "i don't know for sure how to notice the signs of what scum meuh looks like"-
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well that's my issue rn is that everyone feels kinda towny to me. or at least not very scummy. which tends to make me think that it's more likely to be someone who is holding a decent position of game control
if i were to guess id say it's daisy but i don't think i have good reasons for that, it's more of a gut thing, and possibly partially a reaction to what i feel like are people townreading her too easily
i think if it's dann scum then he's playing with the intention of specifically not looking like scum!dann in a way that would be kind of awkward and probably unsuccessful to accomplish his goals so im not too worried about that rn
id say second guess would probably be you, i don't think i have a particularly compelling reason to townread you at the moment-
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having looked at some other knott games i think my previous bar for his posting may have been a little low. he's been townier. but the recent posts are decent enough-
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daisy did you have any thoughts on 474? do you disagree?-
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this too is like, not a reason to scumread someone. saying it "felt like paranoia" when paranoia is only something that town can experience doesn't really explain why you're suspicious of itIn post 467, OopsieDaisy wrote: I'ma be real I don't buy into the Ydrasse push right now either. A lot of what I read from your end felt more like paranoia than a reasoned scumread.
what makes you think this is more likely to come from scum?-
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she's calling you town so i don't see how her calling your posting bad is helping to push you out or playing to scum wincon. i still don't understand what you actually think is scummy hereIn post 497, OopsieDaisy wrote: mafia also need to get players pushed out, playing in survival mode is only going to get you so far so mafia can't just rely on having good faith interactions with townies for the win. It is necessary for their win con to engage in bad faith.
it just feels to me like you are in a comfortable position with me and meuh being the wagons and are unnaturally resistant to changing that state of things. i don't think that the reasons you have for that really add up and it doesn't feel like you're interested in genuinely evaluating who is scum-
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hmmm okIn post 501, OopsieDaisy wrote: my point is more that i don't see the towniness in meuh the same way i see it in dann, black & afrayed's play. which sure in essence makes the poe between you and meuh and therefore a scumread but the scumread comes from the play of others not the play of meuh in particular.-
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yea idk im like 75% that he's just not been around. i think him actively avoiding the thread in this situation isn't much more likely to happen if he's scum, if at all, so i don't really get it-
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like this feels like kind of a stretch to me in several waysIn post 548, Aristeia wrote:maybe it was just awkward for him to re-enter thread and actually interact with meuh when she's ateing because he doesn't know how to close her without making himself look bad and he hopes Black will push her over the edge for him.
it feels like he doesnt want to be here and I can see why he'd not want to be here if black!town is pushing meuh!town for him and he can just kind of cheer from the sidelines.
- i don't think dann would really believe that meuh would be likely to go over without his active support
- i don't think it would be a particularly difficult thread state for him to navigate
- i don't think it would help him long term as scum to be conspicuously absent while town pushes town. that's likely to look significantly worse than being present-
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