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VOTE: Black
Do votes during this day actually matter?-
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Just asking because I'm new, and in most social deduction games D1 votes don't count so
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@Klick Tos1, Tos2, Untrusted, First Class Trouble, etc etc-
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UNVOTE: Black
Just because I don't want to bandwagon someone D1 without knowing much-
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I unvoted black simply because it seems foolish to eliminate someone D1-
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True, but I think i'm inexperienced enough to be following a bandwagon Day 1In post 64, Klick wrote:
The question of whether or not to eliminate D1 comes up often amongst players from other sites and has sometimes been a bit of a hot topic.In post 60, NekoLover wrote: I unvoted black simply because it seems foolish to eliminate someone D1
I'm willing to discuss the question in detail with you if that's something you're interested in
But generally, the consensus amongst players on MS is that eliminating D1 is better for villagers than not-eliminating. The Villagers only have so many chances to eliminate Mafia, and no-eliminating D1 wastes one of those shots.-
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My gut feeling is that sky is mafia; because he thinks me unvoting is scum when I didn't want to bandwagon someone within an hour or two of joining the game-
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Seems like an easy way to push a noob off if you ask me-
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I'm typically a very paranoid person so no, No one appears to be likely town to meIn post 76, Klick wrote:In post 74, NekoLover wrote: My gut feeling is that sky is mafia; because he thinks me unvoting is scum when I didn't want to bandwagon someone within an hour or two of joining the game
I wouldn't be surprised if Skygazer's reasoning for voting you was a bit less straightforward than they stated.In post 75, NekoLover wrote: Seems like an easy way to push a noob off if you ask me
Is there anyone in particular who you feel is unlikely to be Mafia?-
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fair point, i didn't think about itIn post 82, Skygazer wrote:
if you think i'm scum why aren't you voting me?In post 75, NekoLover wrote: Seems like an easy way to push a noob off if you ask me
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Don't mind me, i'm just looking over at the glossary to understand all these terms, but yea I do think it seemed intentional as well-
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I agree with Black here
UNVOTE: Sky
VOTE: Dragon-
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Isn't this just a WIFOM loop, considering he could also be intentionally making bad choices as scum?-
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Given the potential obvious townslip and then pushing black and refusing to elaborate, I think alltogether that dragon is likely mafia-
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You accidentally counted my vote twice, I unvoted and voted for dragon
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In post 111, Claptastik wrote:
Neko you need an avatar, makes it easier for everyone else.In post 90, NekoLover wrote: Don't mind me, i'm just looking over at the glossary to understand all these terms, but yea I do think it seemed intentional as well
Alright done-
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LAG is missing from the glossary so if you wouldn't mind explaining it, it'd be very much appreciatedIn post 107, Claptastik wrote:
I found that a LAG on my right was the most profitable situation once I learned how to play it.In post 57, Klick wrote: Fair. I think my play has been pretty neutral so far on the surface
I've recently gotten into poker and am trying to incorporate a little bit of what I've learned so far into my play-
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Ah thank youIn post 118, Black wrote:
I think it's a poker term. Google says it means "Loose-Aggressive"In post 115, NekoLover wrote:
LAG is missing from the glossary so if you wouldn't mind explaining it, it'd be very much appreciatedIn post 107, Claptastik wrote:
I found that a LAG on my right was the most profitable situation once I learned how to play it.In post 57, Klick wrote: Fair. I think my play has been pretty neutral so far on the surface
I've recently gotten into poker and am trying to incorporate a little bit of what I've learned so far into my play-
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So far my reads are
Sky seems like an aggressive player in general, even if they are town
I'm definitely strongly leaning forward dragon being mafia
everyone else could be either way to be honest-
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I'd more lean towards sky potentially being town but I'm still on the fence about that
You and dragon don't seem to be likely scum together, given how much your analyzing his odd play. I'm aware of Distancing/Bussing, but that doesn't seem to be the case here. Plus there's more effective ways to distance without killing your scum partner before they get to do anything. I think its possible one of you are scum but i don't think its likely your both scum-
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Yes but for now, I doubt i'll make any hard town reads; I'm thinking you are likely town but i'm certainly not against the idea of you being scum. While dragon was pushing for an elimination, sky also was before you explained your reasoning, so it could be that dragon is also an aggressive town member, but I'm still strongly feeling dragon is scum; it would depend on how he flipped to be honest-
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I mean while i am familiar with social deduction games, I'm not familiar enough with mafiascum to make that accurate judgement; Plus, I'd rather accidentally label a townie as scum then the other way around. I still think it's likely you are town, but it would depend on what dragon is really-
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My own reads still haven't really changed. I still think our best bet is to eliminate dragon-
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Even then my town reads hold less weight given my lack of experience-
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I just found out how to have my bookmark automatically jump to the first unread post; thats a relief, I've been going through the entire forums this whole time lol-
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Ah thank you, i'll keep that in mind-
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I can kinda see dragons points now, and why it was hard for him to just sum it up
UNVOTE: Dragon-
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I'm just gonna stay neutral here because both of you make very valid points-
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So if i'm keeping track, that should be
1 vote on dragon
2 votes on black
1 vote on me
1 vote on klick
1 vote on dannflour-
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If I understand it correctly, she was saying that it was unnatural I wouldn't consider her town if I considered you scum and I didn't think you two were scum partnersIn post 173, DragonEater70 wrote:
If it was implied, what benefit does it give you to call it "a bit unnatural"?In post 139, Black wrote:On what basis? Do you actually think I was fishing for a townread? The townread was already implied...how does it benefit me to get him to say it if I'm scum?
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I honestly don't know who to sus out tbh; Dragon and black can both be town and this is just a town on town fight-
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Honestly I have no comment for any of this but i am present-
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Why do people think klick is scum?-
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Reading over it again I get it, but I don't want to leave Klick at E-1 so just know I thought about it-
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What does PoE stand forIn post 203, Klick wrote: If I run with all the easy reads the PoE I get atm is {FakeGod, Black, Claptastik, Titus}
Which feels reasonable-
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ah thank you-
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Morning Dragon!-
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EST; It's current 12:06 AM here lol-
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I have insomnia, i'll probably go to bed in an hour or twoIn post 216, DragonEater70 wrote:
The wonders of having a 7 hour difference (it's 7 AM here)In post 214, NekoLover wrote: EST; It's current 12:06 AM here lol-
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Honestly my feeling is that you and black are both town and its just you two being extra picky over each other; the E-1 on page 2 seemed very random, and I have a feeling would've been hammered without much info if I didn't Unvote. I think sky is also another case of aggressive townie, my gut feeling right now is saying that titus and maybe klick is scum; Dannflor doesn't really rub off as scum but i haven't had the chance to really interact with them to be fair-
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Oh I missed the titus part; and while my read on Klick is partly based off black, I have looked back and Klick just kinda rubs me off the wrong wayIn post 223, DragonEater70 wrote:
How is Titus scum? She very explictly said she cannot post in ANY of her games until Sunday (which is already Sunday for me but for her it's probably Sunday morning in 10 hours if I have my timezone correctly).In post 221, NekoLover wrote: Honestly my feeling is that you and black are both town and its just you two being extra picky over each other; the E-1 on page 2 seemed very random, and I have a feeling would've been hammered without much info if I didn't Unvote. I think sky is also another case of aggressive townie, my gut feeling right now is saying that titus and maybe klick is scum; Dannflor doesn't really rub off as scum but i haven't had the chance to really interact with them to be fair
Is the post Black quoted the only reason ypu scumread Klick?-
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If I was more certain of my gut feeling, I'd definitely place klick at e-1, but my gut can very easily be wrong-
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Power outage here, I'll probably be unresponsive for most of today to try and save my phones battery. Did not want to wake up at 4:30 am to everything shutting off-
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Yea considering everything I'm now starting to feel like black is scum
VOTE: Black
That should be black E-1-
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Yea I'm just making sure people know it's e-1 so they can't feign ignorance if they hammerIn post 263, DragonEater70 wrote: Cool
Now let's NOT unvote unless there's an actual good reason to. Even if someone (Black/Dann/FG) comes along and says "Oh my gosh are you trying to lim Black on page 11? This is so anti tooooown"
Because I am pretty sure nobody is planning to hammer before she responds and claims etc etc and before Dann has a ten-post-long monoluge about why Black is town and Klick is scum (BTW if the monoluge is any less than half a page, I am telling you in advance I am not gonna buy into it)-
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Honestly at this point I'm going mentally back and forth and I've realized I've dug myself into a very deep mental game I wasn't expectingIn post 266, Black wrote:In post 221, NekoLover wrote: Honestly my feeling is that you and black are both town and its just you two being extra picky over each other; the E-1 on page 2 seemed very random, and I have a feeling would've been hammered without much info if I didn't Unvote. I think sky is also another case of aggressive townie, my gut feeling right now is saying that titus and maybe klick is scum; Dannflor doesn't really rub off as scum but i haven't had the chance to really interact with them to be fair
I'm having a hard time believing this progression. I don't think anything Clap said should convince anyone that I'm scum, and if you think Klick is likely scum then it makes me wonder why you decided to join the wagon he's on instead of questioning "hmm could this be a mislim?"In post 262, NekoLover wrote: Yea considering everything I'm now starting to feel like black is scum
VOTE: Black
That should be black E-1-
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Not all of them but at this point I think I just need to eliminate someone to get information to better my play because I am lostIn post 277, Black wrote:
Do you agree with all of Clap's reasons for thinking I'm scum? Like what specifically made you back off of your "Dragon/Black tvt" stance?In post 272, NekoLover wrote:
Honestly at this point I'm going mentally back and forth and I've realized I've dug myself into a very deep mental game I wasn't expectingIn post 266, Black wrote:In post 221, NekoLover wrote: Honestly my feeling is that you and black are both town and its just you two being extra picky over each other; the E-1 on page 2 seemed very random, and I have a feeling would've been hammered without much info if I didn't Unvote. I think sky is also another case of aggressive townie, my gut feeling right now is saying that titus and maybe klick is scum; Dannflor doesn't really rub off as scum but i haven't had the chance to really interact with them to be fair
I'm having a hard time believing this progression. I don't think anything Clap said should convince anyone that I'm scum, and if you think Klick is likely scum then it makes me wonder why you decided to join the wagon he's on instead of questioning "hmm could this be a mislim?"In post 262, NekoLover wrote: Yea considering everything I'm now starting to feel like black is scum
VOTE: Black
That should be black E-1-
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Yes but when all sides are making valid points and the mental limit has been reached im just gonna follow the crowd at this point because my brain is taxed and I don't think any more back and forth analysis will get me anywhere without results to better make my reads on. This is especially true given the social deduction games I did play before mostly revolve around ability usage, so my social skills isn't strong hereIn post 288, Black wrote:
There's no rush. We still have a player that hasn't even played yet. If you are town then you should get information by questioning people and figuring out the motivations behind what they are doing. You're going to get less information fading someone this early than you would if you just let conversation play outIn post 284, NekoLover wrote:
Not all of them but at this point I think I just need to eliminate someone to get information to better my play because I am lostIn post 277, Black wrote:
Do you agree with all of Clap's reasons for thinking I'm scum? Like what specifically made you back off of your "Dragon/Black tvt" stance?In post 272, NekoLover wrote:
Honestly at this point I'm going mentally back and forth and I've realized I've dug myself into a very deep mental game I wasn't expectingIn post 266, Black wrote:In post 221, NekoLover wrote: Honestly my feeling is that you and black are both town and its just you two being extra picky over each other; the E-1 on page 2 seemed very random, and I have a feeling would've been hammered without much info if I didn't Unvote. I think sky is also another case of aggressive townie, my gut feeling right now is saying that titus and maybe klick is scum; Dannflor doesn't really rub off as scum but i haven't had the chance to really interact with them to be fair
I'm having a hard time believing this progression. I don't think anything Clap said should convince anyone that I'm scum, and if you think Klick is likely scum then it makes me wonder why you decided to join the wagon he's on instead of questioning "hmm could this be a mislim?"In post 262, NekoLover wrote: Yea considering everything I'm now starting to feel like black is scum
VOTE: Black
That should be black E-1
Klick jumping on my wagon didn't seem concerning at all to you?-
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Your all making good counter arguments to each others argumentsIn post 292, Black wrote:
You either think Clap/Dragon are making valid points or I am. I don't see how you can agree with all of us at the same timeIn post 291, NekoLover wrote: Yes but when all sides are making valid points and the mental limit has been reached im just gonna follow the crowd at this point because my brain is taxed and I don't think any more back and forth analysis will get me anywhere without results to better make my reads on. This is especially true given the social deduction games I did play before mostly revolve around ability usage, so my social skills isn't strong here-
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I'm on mobile so give me a bit to go scroll throughIn post 294, Black wrote:
What specifically did you agree with in Clap's case? Like why do you think I'm scum?In post 293, NekoLover wrote:
Your all making good counter arguments to each others argumentsIn post 292, Black wrote:
You either think Clap/Dragon are making valid points or I am. I don't see how you can agree with all of us at the same timeIn post 291, NekoLover wrote: Yes but when all sides are making valid points and the mental limit has been reached im just gonna follow the crowd at this point because my brain is taxed and I don't think any more back and forth analysis will get me anywhere without results to better make my reads on. This is especially true given the social deduction games I did play before mostly revolve around ability usage, so my social skills isn't strong here-
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Yea quotes on mobile and editing it is cancer but I'll unvote until I'm on desktop to reiterate what parts I agree with
UNVOTE: Black-
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@black my reasoningIn post 243, Claptastik wrote: Follow up on Black:
26 - questions someone else putting out an early town read -I'd be suprised if someone had a page 1 read on me
39 - doubts that people have enough info to have a serious read on her this early -Again, I'd be suprised if someone had a page 1 read on me this early
42 - puts out a bare town read on neko - "Neko town" is the entire post -I don't take this seriously at all, seems a bit jokey to me as well
46 - again doubts that there's enough information to have serious reads yet -Literally repeating himself
53 - puts out gut town reads on sky and dragon, now claims that the town read on neko "wasn't real." -I mean yea, the initial read was obviously a joke,and the gut feelings were just that, gut feelings
92 - excessively focused with the people who have voted her, votes dragon -First point here imo; scum are more likely to defend each accusation, and voting dragon here does feel like an attempt to redirect pressure
94 - backs off the dragon scum read. More concerned with how she appears to others than with generating information to get real reads. -I mean to be fair, everyone kinda agreed dragon looked less scummy and he explained his reasoning
122 and 124 and 128 - hey newbie you should town read me -A town read from a new player like me holds no value, especially when she brings it up so outwardly; I think this was just truly an attempt to understand my thought process, given that i'm someone she hasn't played with
133 - wishy-washy town read on neko -Honestly that's just opinion imo, I I know star thinks i'm sus but i'm just playing it safe
162 - detailed defense. Town getting heat early on D1 tend to just continue on and trust that their town game will become apparent in time. Black is focused on herself this game. -I do agree with this a fair amount; trying to fight back the votes feels scummy, but I also believe if I was put to E-1 on page 2 I'd have a fair amount of pushback to prevent that from happening again
163 - naked vote on me. Hey let's see if I can deflect the conversation to someone else. -This. Black has done a lot of deflecting, and i'm not sure if its just a result of nearly being eliminated page 2 or actual scummy behavior, so I feel neutral on this
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190 - rolleyes response to klick, who made the same observation that I did above, i.e. town!Black would be towning it up -This is a personal read, so naturally no opinion on it
194 - vote Klick. I mean WTF, why did you vote me? Apparently not in an attempt to sort me -Does feel very strange and feels like another attempt at deflecting
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Yea currently I don't trust my own feelings; once i get rooted into a social deduction game my opinions become much more concrete but this is still fresh water for me so naturally i'm a bit inclined to shift who i trustIn post 306, Black wrote:
Doesn't really feel strong enough to convince you I'm scum, but you seem easily swayed and paranoid so I'm willing to chalk it up to personalityIn post 301, NekoLover wrote: @black my reasoning
For the record I defend myself excessively as town. Obviously I can recreate this as scum but that alone is NAI (non-alignment indicative)
As far as deflecting, I find it funny that you and Clap think I'm scummy for focusing on myself and then when I look elsewhere to try and sort it's called deflecting-
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I will say I'm starting to think too that dragon is just hard tunneling black looking at it closer now-
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I'm watching you two play 5D chess while i'm playing checkers in this game-
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yea tbh I don't like dann simply because he won't explain his train of thought-
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Honestly I don't know who to suspect at this point, but my feelings right now
Dragon Probably town, wants to eliminate black regardless of alignment
Dann feels scummy just because of how limited information he's sharing
Neutral: Clap, Sky, Klick, Fakegod, Black-
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I don't really know at this point, I'm just not trusting my gut because I am lost in this 5D chess game-
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The fact she was trying to break up a TvT fight; scum wouldn't want that to end, because if its truly a TvT fight both of them kinda get ignored. It just kinda makes me lean more towards a neutral view on klick-
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