Can you expand on this read?In post 1033, Roulette wrote:I don't know. I think Black is panicking... but still.In post 1029, Skygazer wrote: there's a distinct lack of panic in this game state right now which makes me think scum are comfy which points towards roulette or bella imo
i think gob is probably just town
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Also what is this about?In post 1032, Roulette wrote: Bella is strange today.-
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What benefit does scum!sky get from calling gob town though? I guess it could be reverse psychology to make us think she's town but she's going to have to backtrack on this read at some point if she's scumIn post 1044, Bellaphant wrote:
This post feels really scummy?In post 1029, Skygazer wrote: there's a distinct lack of panic in this game state right now which makes me think scum are comfy which points towards roulette or bella imo
i think gob is probably just town-
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Obviously I'm fine with it. I still think he's more likely to flip scum than bella-
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Saw that coming
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I'm not really getting that vibeIn post 1083, Bellaphant wrote: Gobs last minute panic reads fake.
I'm a little paranoid that gob reversed course because he knew he would get pushed today if I flipped but I think all the effort and thought he put in reads like a townie worried about being wrong
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Because I had to?In post 1086, gob wrote:Then why did you vote??
Either way i think we go sky/bella today. I am leaning Bella but will go and look more-
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shrugIn post 1089, gob wrote:
We couldve voted Bella. Its water under the bridge thoever.In post 1088, Black wrote:
Because I had to?In post 1086, gob wrote:Then why did you vote??
Either way i think we go sky/bella today. I am leaning Bella but will go and look more
I thought Bella was more likely to flip town
I'm not scum here, but I do want to win, and I think me living gives us a greater chance at that. So thanks I guess lolIn post 1090, gob wrote: ya if youre mafia black i saved your ass in a major way and kept your loseless streak alive.
So jf youre mafia at least make this unpainful-
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Gob are you trying to pocket me-
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Well, after looking things over I don't really know what to think
sky and gob both showed some sense of townie thought process yesterday. gob's is obvious and while I'm still a bit worried that he could be panicked scum, I don't really think he is. I've played with gob in two games recently where he was scum in a tight spot and he didn't show even a fraction of the effort and willingness to solve that he did yesterday. I haven't played with town gob yet but I'm getting the feeling that this is what it can look like when he tries hard. But then there's the argument of what if gob wasn't trying hard in the scum games he played recently, andthisis what his tryhard scum game looks like?
Sky's solving is less apparent but looking over the ISO and I can see the progressions. She went from SRing Roulette to wondering why Roulette would nominate himself if he were scum, to thinking it could be me (or at least that I was the best fade), to becoming paranoid about gob, to townreading gob, and then back to her Roulette SR. I still don't understand why scum!sky would switch her read on gob. I guess it could be her trying to pocket him but ehh, idk. Her progressions read more like conflicted town than scum with an agenda
It feels like bella is putting the least amount of thought into solving this, but that's not really out of the ordinary for town!her (no offense). A lot of her posts yesterday were just stating who she thinks it could be and pointing fingers in different directions in a way that feels like she wanted to make it seem like we could all be scum. There's also a lot of the whole "I don't know the setup" comments and my paranoid brain can't help but read it like theatre to try and seem innocent. There's a decent chance bella legitimately doesn't understand what's going on but I just feel like she would've read the first post over and over until she understood instead of constantly asking the thread
In post 828, Bellaphant wrote: We can get today wrong and still win tomorrow? This is ridiculously wifom but would scum!roulette nominate themselves twice?In post 914, Bellaphant wrote:
Sorry, I'm thick: why would he have to nominate himself? How many many goes have we got to get this right?In post 907, Black wrote: I'm like 80% sure it's just gob here. He nominated himself D2 and then coasted on the TR from that. He knew he would have to nominate himself in two days from now so he sat this one out. And now he's trying to fade his biggest threat while keeping the door open to fade ANY of Roulette, bella, or sky tomorrow depending on which way the wind blows
My gut is still telling me that we win as long as we get rid of sky and gob but there's an argument to be made here for bella, so I'm pretty conflicted atmIn post 1041, Bellaphant wrote: Let me make sure this is right:
If we mislom today, we get a free shot tomorrow?
If we still mislim, we get another day where scum have to nominate, but there's only three people so scum have to be in a position to be voted?-
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I'm willing to consider this. I'm pretty much the same, but not so much when it comes to setup stuff and game mechanics. I struggle with role mech and balance stuffIn post 1102, Bellaphant wrote: Also, I'm /always/ bad at mech. It's totally nai
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In post 1107, Bellaphant wrote:
I've faked confusion about the amount of scum....once as scum? I ask dumb questions about the set up a lot.In post 1104, Black wrote:
I'm willing to consider this. I'm pretty much the same, but not so much when it comes to setup stuff and game mechanics. I struggle with role mech and balance stuffIn post 1102, Bellaphant wrote: Also, I'm /always/ bad at mech. It's totally nai
Do you ever lean into it/fake it when you're scum?Also, your example was the same question three times, the last was me figuring it out.That's fair-
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In regards to this I do think it makes more sense for scum to not nominate themselves there, though I think they could have done it and then tried the whole wifom thingIn post 1106, Bellaphant wrote: Scum who just volunteered to be the lim?
This was one of the biggest reasons I didn't think it could be you, plus all the interactions with molla that felt unintuitive as S/S-
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I still think it could be bella considering she's using the wifom argument. I'm having conflicting thoughts on all 3 of you. Oddly enough you're coming across as the most townie after I was super confident it was you yesterdayIn post 1113, gob wrote: So it has to be Skygazer, if what you say is true. And scum nominated Day 2 and we (i) just missed.
In post 1113, gob wrote: I still feel like it's Bella though. What interactions made you think it wasn't S/S ? I felt like it was pretty along the lines of Bella's Scumgame the way she interacted with both Merlyn and molla, if bella is scum. Especially on the first day.
I went over it in 858. Let me know if you see anything you disagree with-
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What exactly went down that makes it hard to believe I'm scum?In post 1118, gob wrote: but the way stuff went yesterday it's hard to believe-
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Why sky if you think it's bella?In post 1119, gob wrote: Well it seems like we go Sky here. Then tomorrow we can go either Bella or Black. I would super stress for that because they're in the same lim pool, but I Actually think the odds are good that way.-
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This was my thought as wellIn post 1125, Skygazer wrote: i think bella declaring that they're fine with getting voted out is more suspicious than not? i mean personally speaking, i would've been fine being voted out earlier on but now that we've only got 2 lims left, offering yourself up as a guaranteed miselimination is weird. changing a 50% chance of winning by random chance to 33% isn't ideal at all so why just give up and die? feels more like an optics-motivated statement
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I still think you could be scumIn post 1127, gob wrote: Seems pretty much everyone is townreading me or treating me like town.
If you think otherwise tell me now. Cause I hven't felt any heat from Sky recently, Bella had a bit with me yesterday.
It feels like you just want to push sky because I showed some form of hesitation for bella. You say you think it's sky because bella is fine with being faded but 1113 came after she said that, and in this post you say you think it's bella
And now you seem really concerned with how people read you which reads like you want to take the people that townread you the most to ELO
I'm not sure if you're scum trying to position themselves optimally or paranoid town-
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Yep. Let me shower and get to my PC-
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I have a busy weekend lined up but I will try to pop in when I can-
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I'm gonna try to do somewhat of a reread Monday to figure this shit out-
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Roulette is dead
No way you expect us to believe you didn't know that XD-
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I would say gob has slightly swayed me but I'm not sure if it was easyIn post 1155, Bellaphant wrote: Black is either town who's being easily swayed by gob, or scum
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Did you get anything out of my scum games?In post 1169, gob wrote:
So who are you scum reading now exactly? I'm not really sure.In post 1165, Bellaphant wrote: ....if I look for an agenda, especially in what I've just written, I feel like it's in what I'm saying about black. I think I'm being a bit pig headed: I want gob to be scum, rather than soneone who just doesnt get me
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My gut is telling me bella's AtE is probably real town frustration. I might just be underestimating how often she can just miss things as town. I'm not feeling like it's an act and I'm just hoping I'm not wrong and she's not fooling me here. I want to trust my earlier read here that she's not partnered with molla
It's between gob and skygazer for me, and I lean skygazer. It feels like she keeps promising content and has pushed that agenda all game. This doesn't make her scum but compared to gob who actively seems to be trying to solve this, it feels like she's keeping her options open while trying to not say much-
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I thought you townread sky though? Or you were at least neutral on her. I think it's probably just her but I looked over some of the thread and I can't find anything super definitive, so it's mainly just gut and PoE based on gut feelings about you/gob-
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RelatableIn post 1182, Bellaphant wrote: Like, I /really/ wanted gob to be scum before I started spam thinking yesterday and then I was like....or they are just wrong and I'm being hard headed about it.-
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VOTE: skygazer
I think I'm ok with this
I can see scum!sky nominating themselves D2 for the towncred and then not nominating themselves D4 because they don't need to. The same could be said for gob but gob is trying way harder here. I've never seen him try this hard as scum so this is either something new from him or he's just town-
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Scum can't quickhammer. I don't think you need to be worried about my vote
I'm down to hear what you have to say-
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That's a good point. This is WIFOM so I don't think it matters but if I were scum here I would absolutely try to fade bella-
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Gob why is it a bad f3 for you-
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Yeah this is sus
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If you think it's sky then you might want to vote now before she can pull this stunt offIn post 1199, Bellaphant wrote: Im voting sky before I go to bed-
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Yep. Sky knows that gob will think it's you when I flip. It's her best playIn post 1219, Bellaphant wrote: Sky is safe going after black here tho because if black flips town, gob is still gonna take it as validation!
And now sky is acting like she is fine being faded because she knows gob townreads the whole defeated "fade me" thing. He did that with me before
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Sky I'm not really minding some of these thoughts but why did you wait until you were on your death bed to do stuff and town it up?-
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Kinda second guessing myself here
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Gob if you really are town and you instavote me then we just lose. Please keep it in your pants for a second-
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Part of me wants to sheep sky and just go bella and another part of me is suddenly super paranoid that I was right about gob
I want to look over the thread more when I'm not on mobile-
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In post 1293, gob wrote: So which one of you is mafia? If you out right now I will make it worth your while. I am made of money IRL and can offer $100 if you out here. Will pay via whatever you want
I won't have much time to play today. We can afford to take this slow-
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If you are town then you win by voting bella
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I'm here
I've been putting this game on the back burner because I don't feel confident at all here. I think it's probably just bella but I have some gut paranoia that I was just right about you and all of your flip flopping
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I feel like I need to comb through the thread more but I have no motivation to do it atm so I'm just kinda lazily hanging around-
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What is the significance of that? I don't speak VCA-
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If you're trying to say it's scummy then I'm curious why you left out the fact that the gob slot has also been on every elimination minus MollaIn post 1306, Bellaphant wrote: Blacks been on every single e-1 there is, I believe?
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I don't massively SR either of you but one of you has to be scum, so for me it comes down to which one of you is better at seeming town as scumIn post 1312, Bellaphant wrote: Tbf I don't really understand why /else/ gob sr me apart from his wagon thing.
And I don't think you do massively sr me?
I've seen gob's scum game a lot recently and he was pretty obvscum. I'm not familiar with your scum game at all-
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If you are talking about Open 891 then I found you as scum on like page 5In post 1315, gob wrote: This is not even true. I went hella deep my last real wolf game.
I'll give you props for fooling everyone else. Every time I tried to push you some dumb townie came in and said you were town. You didn't have me fooled though-
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Too bad you couldn't seal the deal in the end
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Let's talk about it then. What do you want to know? I feel like I explained my thought process pretty wellIn post 1319, gob wrote: Alright we might as well do this
lets think of shit to talk about
i would like to talk about Black's kind of weirdness around hopping on molla's wagon. She really didn't go on that until pushed.-
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I just realized this game started over a month ago. Wow-
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What? I voted for molla as soon as I possibly could in 683. I couldn't vote them D2 because of the nomination mechanicIn post 1323, gob wrote:
I am just wondering why it took you so long to vote, especially when you seemed so sure after the fact.In post 1321, Black wrote:
Let's talk about it then. What do you want to know? I feel like I explained my thought process pretty wellIn post 1319, gob wrote: Alright we might as well do this
lets think of shit to talk about
i would like to talk about Black's kind of weirdness around hopping on molla's wagon. She really didn't go on that until pushed.
I mean you were SRing them a bit before.
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I talked myself into voting Roulette because he fit with bella and molla. I moved back to molla after he told me to self vote because that shit annoyed me-
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This is an interesting question. In a scum!gob world it makes a lot of sense for him to try and take you and me to F3 because he's been promoting his "one scum in Black/bella" solve for most of the game. This gives him the chance to push either of us here depending on what we doIn post 1328, Bellaphant wrote: Gob, considering it 'has to be me or black ', why have we voted out not me or black two days in a row?-
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Gob why didn't you do thisIn post 1279, gob wrote: I am probably gonna vote Black quickly tomorrow just FYI to everyone.
That was my original solution that made the most sense and I should stick to that. The past 2 days are objectively huge misplays on my part. Roulette I was just lazy and Skygazer I was also too lazy but also had some shit come up.
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You didn't want to fade either of us when you voted for Roulette. You stopped pushing me for survival reasons. You knew you would be pushed the next day if I flipped town. Why didn't you go for bella there instead of settling for Roulette?In post 1333, gob wrote:
i mean yea in theory maybe but i think everyone could see i truly did want to lim you both.In post 1330, Black wrote:
This is an interesting question. In a scum!gob world it makes a lot of sense for him to try and take you and me to F3 because he's been promoting his "one scum in Black/bella" solve for most of the game. This gives him the chance to push either of us here depending on what we doIn post 1328, Bellaphant wrote: Gob, considering it 'has to be me or black ', why have we voted out not me or black two days in a row?
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Gob why didn't you vote bella after sky did in 1235?-
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Hmm. I think that does give you some town points. I don't understand why scum!gob wouldn't want to take skygazer to F3 considering she was pretty adamant about her townread on you-
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Like yeah I think it makes sense to bring me and bella so you could push either of us but taking sky is probably the optimal play in a scum!you world-
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