Open 897 - Cop 17er [DAY 6]

[yessiree]

yo

[yessiree]

i thought this was a scum pt

[yessiree]

you are lying since you checked that the scum pt was empty before you posted here

caught scum page 1 fam

VOTE: woofbringer

[yessiree]

dw i will ride this towncred all the way to endgame

[yessiree]

yea that's hella sus im not gonna ngl

FoS: aristeia

[yessiree]

yea that's hella sus im not gonna ngl

FoS: aristeia

i agree we should focus all our attention on aristeia. Because this betrayal of hers is really scummy

our plan is working on her though

er i mean what

[yessiree]

Guys I think we should only be hypoclaiming towards the end of D1, to reduce the chance of accidentally claiming an inno on maf (and as Alisae said in the hypoclaiming FAQ, we should probably only hypoclaim an inno on someone we're fine with not SRing for the next Day or two).

but if you hypoclaim the n0 inno on a mafia, you will never be suspected as the cop

sometimes you gotta think outside the box

[yessiree]

praise me more

[yessiree]

Oh, dragon eater rolled scum

[yessiree]

Not in this game though. The Queen's Court will prove to be a worthy adversary to the red PMs

this is hard capping when you tryna invite someone who hasn't posted? who tao?

[yessiree]

idk the gen z players are too nice and agreeable nowadays

i miss the shouting match days

[yessiree]

- snip -

wow, you ain't eating any dragons any time soon my dude

only things you will be eating will be dead peasants, steel, and gunpowder

[yessiree]

Hey you just stole my idea man!

but if you hypoclaim the n0 inno on a mafia, you will never be suspected as the cop

sometimes you gotta think outside the box

[yessiree]

lowkey agree with python

VOTE: gamma

[yessiree]

VOTE: usesPython
I was hoping for something better than that.

this is weaksauce and you know it

lowkey

[yessiree]

you started from the bottom

[yessiree]

sorry you rolled scum Gamma

it is what it is

[yessiree]

What’s lame about a gob vote?

???? How is it not lame?

It's not lame because my vote isn't OMGUS or even an LHF vote, it's a meta vote.

meta vote makes it lamer to be tbh

[yessiree]

VOTE: usesPython
I was hoping for something better than that.

Python is annoying but that's not scum indicative for them k

scum coaching

yess on the other hand is behaving very different to his town game and kinda similar to his scum game (yes I have a sample size of one game of each alignment but I still do meta reads this way and it tends to have better than random success)

you have one sample size of me playing as

mason

which is different than how i normally play as town

[yessiree]

Yessiree/furtive/gob/python towncore, this game's easy

add RCE to that towncore

[yessiree]

Meta this, meta that, have you ever meta girl before?

VOTE: yessiree

Antagonizing Gamma isn't as cool as you think it is

why vote me for it tho

[yessiree]

Dragon is town

That's one member of the Court I'm right about. This is easy

L + Ratio

scum RCE would never use this lingo

[yessiree]

Meta this, meta that, have you ever meta girl before?

VOTE: yessiree

Antagonizing Gamma isn't as cool as you think it is

why vote me for it tho

Why not

why does antagonizing someone warrants a vote

[yessiree]

Are you telling me that when yiu are a PR and need to be careful not to be nightkilled you obvtown so every single PR radar in a 500 miles radius picks you up

as mason? of course

if you read our mason chat our plan was to play obvtown and maintain mutual townread so if either of us dies the other is auto cleared

but as vanilla (or cop) you play scummy and reserved? IDK what to tell you but I don't believe this.

im playing reserved? you capping fr fr

[yessiree]

Meta this, meta that, have you ever meta girl before?

VOTE: yessiree

Antagonizing Gamma isn't as cool as you think it is

why vote me for it tho

Why not

why does antagonizing someone warrants a vote

Why does voting for gob warrant a vote

why are you answering my question with a question

[yessiree]

yeah you right, obviously i dont think gamma needs any coaching, i meant that more as in-thread posturing

[yessiree]

Wow I'm mindmelding so much with python right now

We are in the zone right now

I think blacks vote is the worst offender

I'm going to bed tho

[yessiree]

yo higkey got a scumread on aristeia

got a scumread on theholdsteady but keep this on the down low

[yessiree]

yo higkey got a scumread on aristeia

got a scumread on theholdsteady but keep this on the down low

what's the basis of the Ari read?

Her posting tries to give off a chill and relaxed vibe but at the same time she emulating some town productivity with reads but they just come off as scum awkwardness to be completely tbh with you

[yessiree]

while i disagree slightly with his reasoning regarding hypoclaims i do not think it is a scum-aligned strategy from dragon

what do u disagree with about it
why do u not think it's a scum-align strat from dragon

[yessiree]

pfft dragon's strategy is what that mu article recommended im pretty sure

you give people time to develop authentic townreads and use those to hypoclaim your n0 inno, that's only applicable to the n0 inno so it's only applicable to d1

[yessiree]

and dragons strategy is intuitive so

im tryna see why you think it's not scum-aligned

it's not intuitive for scum to come up with something like this? or scum is less likely to suggest something like this?

[yessiree]

there is the question of what the strategy day 2 and on should be

cause unfortunately
the optimal cop strategy is to hunt scum directly instead of confirming a towncore

which means hypoclaims from day 2 onward will best be on people you are scumreading in order to hide the actual cop
and uh
well that kind of rules out dragons strategy to begin with

no

and i hope you dont unironically think that

[yessiree]

okay then what should both the cop and vanilla town be doing in regards to claims day 2

i dont think what you're saying has no merit IF the real cop got a guilty

but if that didn't happen and a bunch of people hypoclaim guilties that's only gonna help scum narrow down the fake claims substantially, since you are much less likely to be correct on ur scumreads than you are to be correct on townreads statistically speaking, i think that's a given

[yessiree]

whaaaaat?

[yessiree]

well if you're scum, your "scumreads" will mostly be on town so hypoing innos on them wouldn't be that far fetched from that line of thinking

amirite theta alpine

[yessiree]

What would the cop do with a real guilty

That's the million dollar question innit

[yessiree]

[yessiree]

is

is there a reason why trading one for one with scum is not viable for the cop in this setup

trading one for one turns this into a mountainous and kinda defeats the whole purpose of hypoclaiming dont u think

ive never played this setup tho, i guess just use best judgement when the situation presents itself

[yessiree]

Sup

No time to read the entire thread but from this page alone I don't feel yessiree is engaging with Theta in good faith

Now I'm going to disappear back into the aether until late evening (in European time)

dont care
didnt ask
stay mad
touch grass

[yessiree]

Seemed like a DE type post to scumread something thats never gonna be AI but it's weird coming from you cause you're normally pretty on point

that's a low blow

[yessiree]

Sup nerds, I'll be reading today, my usual weekend limited access extended into Monday this week

scum'scuse

+ scum equity for strategically avoiding the chaos of RVS

[yessiree]

Anyway now I really gotta disappear into the aether so I will finish catching up later k thanks.

I just don’t trust posts like this
The big ping for me was seeing “I’ll catch up later” since I believe scum like to lag behind to avoid getting into real time interactions they don’t want

Are you saying you think DE doesn't have things to do irl and is using it as an excuse?

dragon had a similar vibe in c9++ (posting in bursts in catchup style and minimizing real-time interactions), so i kinda get what gamma is saying, but also kinda too early to pass judgement on it
viewtopic.php?t=91793

imma let it play out

[yessiree]

it's not like an either or thing where he couldn't be doing both as scum, just that it's a tendency when it's convenient for him, but that needs additional context and that's kinda why i said it's still too early for that

[yessiree]

Finally read the explanation for hypo claiming and that shoot makes me mad.

What kinda crap is that? Just a random mini-game totally unnecessarily being shoved into the game. All the benefits and disadvantages from "hypo-claiming" come within one person "hypo-claiming," it's silly to restrict everyone else's movement by forcing them to stay on one town read.

you sound like a vegan walking into a BBQ joint and being mad that people are eating meat

[yessiree]

i play mafia to lose

yall need to get on my level

[yessiree]

if you play the game with mindset of winning matters more than fun. Then ur just going to play like a dick. That is my experience from seeing anyone who truly holds that mindset and takes it to the extreme.

My self worth is tied up with wins and losses, it's more than a game for me.

i mean all you really have to do is be correct on one townread

i dont see why u'r making a big fuss over it

[yessiree]

i play mafia to lose

yall need to get on my level

the true winner is here

i just realized it's prolly against the rulez to say shit like that

yeah im joking guys

im still not taking this day seriously tho, im content just goading and tickling scum and making them sc'mad

[yessiree]

I'm not telling you my trick to get scumread

[yessiree]

Yes. Let the hate flow through you. Let it consume you

[yessiree]

I'm just waiting for an opportune moment so it doesn't look too sus, or like a bus and I'll get towncred for it

[yessiree]

huh

you know
firebringer is in that tier of i do not know how to read them

and i believe i have seen firebringer do this before as town
so i am just going to stay on yessiree especially after that reaction on their part

huh

i
do not know what
you are talking about here

[yessiree]

what is FB tryna do with super saiyan power Thinkge

[yessiree]

Hero solve, specifically
The hope is to have it ready toDay

i hope you gonna put some sauce in w/e you're cooking

cause you have like no sauce right now

[yessiree]

Hero solve, specifically
The hope is to have it ready toDay

i hope you gonna put some sauce in w/e you're cooking

cause you have like no sauce right now

fym I have no sauce

you have a lack of sauce

[yessiree]

as long as you're cooking with gas

[yessiree]

I caught a flu

vla for 2 days

[yessiree]

I haven't read anything since page 40

I had a fever and a headache, but I communicated with big Buddha.

Big Buddha told me that firebringer, aristeia, dragon eater, and Titus are the mafias

I was like omg thank you big Buddha!

VOTE: firebringer

[yessiree]

Hu tao my n0 inno

[yessiree]

What do people want from me

I already gave my reads when I have a flu, maybe bump DE a notch town so he's outta my scum pool for now

Y'all should give me a medal

[yessiree]

Yes it appears I spread it to alisae so I'm feeling better now

[yessiree]

You know what, fuck it. You’re not getting my solve. Too many people I wanted to put into my town tier think they can act like fools, so it’s called off.

damn

[yessiree]

Gamma is trippin, she needs to stop scumsiding if town

[yessiree]

I'm only scumsiding because Firebringer is the nice to me

so you're saying firebringer is scum

[yessiree]

no I didn't, that's cringe

[yessiree]

thats what he says but imagine my infinite disappointment if he was actually town all along

only one way to find out!

[yessiree]

VOTE: yess

actually throwing here if you think this is the play

The post from Cook’s Kitchen Sink I had in mind

I was legitimately upset at Drew for that vote because I specifically engineered my fakeclaim to be more believable for him

I'm just disappointed in Gamma here because I'm TRing her but zero effort read without providing any context just adds to my disappointment

[yessiree]

As for why I scumread you, I have gotten into it; I don’t like how you use phrases like “ngl” and “tbh” and “lowkey” a lot, sometimes to the point of redundancy. But I feel like that might have dialed down by now.

show me some examples of this

[yessiree]

As for why I scumread you, I have gotten into it; I don’t like how you use phrases like “ngl” and “tbh” and “lowkey” a lot, sometimes to the point of redundancy. But I feel like that might have dialed down by now.

show me some examples of this

Why is this your reaction and not "why the fuck do you scumread this"

cause it will be self-explanatory in the quotes

im making her see the faults in her own logic

[yessiree]

However on the other hand, Titus. Very good scumread of mine. Some might even say best scumread ive ever had. I might even detail it out into a beautiful wall. Wouldn't that be interesting.

Ok but who is paying for the wall

Mexico

you are permanently banned from r/Mexico

you are now a moderator of r/MAGA

[yessiree]

I do feel pretty good about scum!Titus

[yessiree]

I think 1151 was what pinged me on scum!Titus

really weird pivot from her earlier exchange with Black into an ari vote, tone felt off too since she was suggesting both of them are scum together, so why did she feel the need to pivot?

VOTE: Titus

just like the good ol' days

[yessiree]

im lazy

shake my smh

[yessiree]

yessir

[yessiree]

I'm giving Hu Tao a free pass cause she's my n0 inno

[yessiree]

Back at computer, I'm semi-serious. It pisses me off a bit that in most games I make a single non-committal post and half a dozen people scumread me for not being decisive. Saying nothing, and on top of that admitting to it, deserves a yeet.

sounds like a skill issue

[yessiree]

I don't like how Aristeia gets a free pass. Similar to the free pass that Hu Tao gets.

Scum case her then

^
asking to squeeze water from sand

[yessiree]

what I don't get is why dave is this upset over ari and hu tao getting a pass for coasting on day 1?

it's not like this is a job and you're paid to produce content, you should be allowed to have fun!
plus it's not like they are bad players; they are aware of what they're doing, and I'm confident they are fully aware that the expectations of their behaviors will change over time

what I don't like how there is a focus by dave to only go after inactive slots

[yessiree]

I saw we were doing readlist now

ssbm_kyouko/Titus


TheHoldSteady/davesaz


Bellaphant


Gamma Emerald


gob


DragonEater70


Aristeia


Black/Doctor Drew


Firebringer


yessiree


Naerys


Meuh


Hu Tao


RCEnigma


furtiveglance


Theta Alpine


usesPython

[yessiree]

cut him some slack boss

discord is too advanced technology for a boomer

[yessiree]

cut him some slack boss

discord is too advanced technology for a boomer

Fire is the old man yelling at clouds here

it doesn't have to a competition man

we can all be old men yelling at the sky

[yessiree]

Drew saying he was gonna kick my tyres and then dipping is kinda sus

[yessiree]

Which ones don't u get

[yessiree]

dave/gamma tier is townlean
hutao tier is townread

[yessiree]

bella tier is huh? not sure
theta tier is huh? dont like

[yessiree]

So what does everyone think? Am I town or scum?

I think you're town

I think pushes on Hu Tao is letting actual scum slip by

[yessiree]

more Titus votes please

the reaction to her wagon feels a bit more performative than authentic
the analysis to wagon compositions re: her wagon and hu tao wagon is intentionally vague and doesn't include any specifics

[yessiree]

don't like DE70 bouncing on/off Titus one bit, it's looking really bad

looks like scum tip-toeing tryna to balance between bussing and re-directing elsewhere
feels awfully similar to his antics in c9++; he was bouncing on and off RCEnigma where he was on wagon when it was safe to do so, but he was off when it was not, and he was key in killing momentum of the wagon as well
viewtopic.php?t=91793
RC can back me up here?

I dunno how i feel about him directing energy towards aristeia though, so i'll hold off judgement on that front

[yessiree]

wut lol

[yessiree]

you haven't read most of my iso my brutha

but, that is definitely a Drew post

[yessiree]

but do you have a read on Titus though?

[yessiree]

my read is partly based on her pred and partly her

why is she not scum here?

[yessiree]

I think at the very least I would've expected a stronger reaction to being wagon'ed

she's not really defending herself and the analysis part feels like it's played to an audience rather than a natural progression to analyzing why she's wagoned

as for her pred others have cased her but i need to dig it up

[yessiree]

i do agree we need a flip and move on

i will even be the scapegoat and take the blame for firebringer if we're wrong on ssbm_kyouko/Titus

[yessiree]

btw who is ur n0 inno @Drew

i dont think Black ever said who it is

[yessiree]

playing mafia right before you boutta hit the hay is no bueno

[yessiree]

I literally do not know what you are trying to say here

I am not saying super-complicated stuff, at least before the comma
I was townreading Black and you're on your way to torching that read, brother.

I don't think this fits scum Drew behavior tho, going against the grain and the "general feeling" and all that buzz, nor do I feel like this is scum defending a partner. I feel as scum he would play it off more cool and be less confrontational to try to carry over as much of the townreads from Black onto him

I think this is just Drew being annoying, like a mosquito

[yessiree]

[yessiree]

I literally do not know what you are trying to say here

I am not saying super-complicated stuff, at least before the comma
I was townreading Black and you're on your way to torching that read, brother.

I don't think this fits scum Drew behavior tho, going against the grain and the "general feeling" and all that buzz, nor do I feel like this is scum defending a partner. I feel as scum he would play it off more cool and be less confrontational to try to carry over as much of the townreads from Black onto him

I think this is just Drew being annoying, like a mosquito

nah if Drew is scum this is TMI-ing Titus town imo

if Titus flips town, yeah
im feeling a red flip atm

[yessiree]

at least take me out to dinner first

[yessiree]

I will say, this does seem like a button upped serious Yess though, that is scum Yess imo

Funny because I was scumreading him for not being serious enough, but I kinda understand what you mean also.

Bring that up with DE because I was SRing yess and then he talked me down iirc

Nope, I was SRing yess all game and still am

so am i scum because im not serious enough or am i scum because im button'ed up serious?

[yessiree]

I will say, this does seem like a button upped serious Yess though, that is scum Yess imo

Funny because I was scumreading him for not being serious enough, but I kinda understand what you mean also.

Bring that up with DE because I was SRing yess and then he talked me down iirc

Nope, I was SRing yess all game and still am

so am i scum because im not serious enough or am i scum because im button'ed up serious?

To me, because you are not serious enough

But I think I understand what Drew was getting at

Having a read is not mutually exclusive with understanding what someone thinks, even if they think something different than you

in this case, understanding with Drew's take is directly at odds with your own understanding
but your lack of a willingness to re-evaluate makes me think your read on me is superficial at best

[yessiree]

[yessiree]

RC is in my blindspot rn

I am townreading him so he could be scum here i guess, given our track record. I have only seen his scum games tho

but he's interacting with enough people that im not really worried about him atm cause with the way he's playing he should be fairly readable later on

pedit: ninja'ed

[yessiree]

I will say, this does seem like a button upped serious Yess though, that is scum Yess imo

Funny because I was scumreading him for not being serious enough, but I kinda understand what you mean also.

Bring that up with DE because I was SRing yess and then he talked me down iirc

Nope, I was SRing yess all game and still am

so am i scum because im not serious enough or am i scum because im button'ed up serious?

From memory your scumgame tends to try to mimic the appearance of sillyness but there tends to be cracks in the mask

hardstuck in Ohio with dat mindset

[yessiree]

Reality swamped. Someone catch me up

Who's ur n0 inno?

[yessiree]

Will say that with a more experienced playerlist your mech would be absolutely correct though

i

have an unfortunate tendency to assume people
including scum
will be playing optimally

That is the fault in yours and Pythons game, no one player ever plays optimally.

But we are both N00bs according to Python anyways lol

It's true tho, I'm just a baby

Goo goo ga ga

[yessiree]

VOTE: Titus

would rather not lim DE here

Yeah this is scum.

I mean we could go yes man or ari too but we don't see those wagons happening

why won't u go dragon eater?

[yessiree]

yeah idk, i'd still rather go for Titus today

i have a brain freeze, can't think

[yessiree]

bom

VOTE: Titus

[yessiree]

@Firebringer

who we bussing next?

[yessiree]

VOTE: dragoneater

[yessiree]

Btw 2 out of Ari/FB/yessman/Titus are scum and 2 are town but I can't bother to sort them because none of them is voting me in good faith

why are there 2 scum here

[yessiree]

Btw 2 out of Ari/FB/yessman/Titus are scum and 2 are town but I can't bother to sort them because none of them is voting me in good faith

why are there 2 scum here

I individually scumread currently or have previously scumread all these slots

Also all of the votes are in bad faith and I find it hard to believe that 4 town vote me in bad faith and scum don't join. On the other hand I find it hard to believe that there is a 4 scum 1 town wagon on me right now.

And the reason that I am saying the votes are in bad faith is that, quite ironically (ironically since FB shaded me earlier for "fake sorting" Ari), neither you nor Ari have made a single attempt to sort me this game (unless I missed something, this question by you which I am replying to right now is the first question either of you have asked me about my reads/thoughts/etc), Titus is voting me because she doesn't want to get wagoned (not because she has a read on me), and FB is doing I dunno what but it's in bad faith.

im not asking you who voting you in bad faith, im confused why u said there are 2 scum 2 town in that group of 4 people

why can't it be 1 scum 3 town or, 3 scum 1 town

[yessiree]

Will knowing my thought process on the 2/2 divide somehow help you solve my alignment or is this just busywork?

what do u think lil bro

[yessiree]

if titus is alive can yall switch to dragoneater? I feel like this last page should be evidence enough for yall

If DE got copped as town would you still think Titus is scum here?

???

what correlation does DE's alignment have with Titus

[yessiree]

i get that, but imo the correlation flows from Titus to DE and not the other way around

ok i guess correlation is a bad word

[yessiree]

well one of the reasons firebringer is scumreading DE is because he thinks DE tmi'd titus as town so if titus is mafia that tmi is not true

thats what I meant by the correlation flowing from Titus -> DE
i dont see anything tangible town!DE would have in affecting Titus's flip

[yessiree]

Python are you just willing to stake your life 100% that DE is just town here

Yes

zesty

[yessiree]

enough

VOTE: Titus

[yessiree]

RIPBOZO

[yessiree]

I wanna turbo lim Drew, but only thing that's holding me back is how towny Black was.

[yessiree]

Why?

Not reading

Defending Titus while not reading

Being dismissive towards people who were pushing for Titus

[yessiree]

Yessir poking Titus for their n0 in 2501 is prob!town

Why r u analyzing 2051 when I have more compelling posts correctly identifing scum!ssbm and scum!Titus plus hammering Titus?

You have to try harder than that to pocket me

[yessiree]

Clearing drew is a mistake here

But like I said I don't wanna go after him right now

He better start drewing it up tho

[yessiree]

Clearing drew is a mistake here

But like I said I don't wanna go after him right now

He better start drewing it up tho

Stop stealing our thoughts before we even post them

Stop being so easy to read

[yessiree]

Yessir poking Titus for their n0 in 2501 is prob!town

Why r u analyzing 2051 when I have more compelling posts correctly identifing scum!ssbm and scum!Titus plus hammering Titus?

You have to try harder than that to pocket me

I’m good.

Why u sweatin tho

I was already townreading u

[yessiree]

I Drew what I want, when I want to Drew it.

Also, why is clearing me a mistake?

And Yes, I can understand Python relying on reading me correctly as they kinda get me

But you don't have the best track record lol

that's easy

give me one good reason to clear u at this point

[yessiree]

Wait no you tried to swap off titus onto us

screw it, we'll just sheep others on you

Would you prefer us OMGUSing you? Solution is pretty simple, get one of:

1. Recent DE quote where he calls you town
   
2. Gamma calling you town
   
3. Meuh confidently calling you town

and we'll just locktown you until we've forgotten about D1 and can have a non-biased read

You might need to be the Elim today. You cannot be serious

VOTE: Python

this is an aiyah vote

[yessiree]

(chiefly among Chinese speakers) used to express dismay, exasperation, or surprise.
"aiyah, you mustn't work so hard; you must find time for other things"

[yessiree]

I Drew what I want, when I want to Drew it.

Also, why is clearing me a mistake?

And Yes, I can understand Python relying on reading me correctly as they kinda get me

But you don't have the best track record lol

that's easy

give me one good reason to clear u at this point

You are scum reading me should be a pretty clear sign I am town lol

zdamn

you win this time...

[yessiree]

there is a snake slithering in the grass

VOTE: Enchant

[yessiree]

Wait no you tried to swap off titus onto us

screw it, we'll just sheep others on you

Would you prefer us OMGUSing you? Solution is pretty simple, get one of:

1. Recent DE quote where he calls you town
   
2. Gamma calling you town
   
3. Meuh confidently calling you town

and we'll just locktown you until we've forgotten about D1 and can have a non-biased read

You might need to be the Elim today. You cannot be serious

VOTE: Python

this is an aiyah vote

Why

Cause its ONGUS based purely on their read of you?

Feel like you are not taking into account how they're interacting with other slots

[yessiree]

ONGUS*

[yessiree]

OMGUS*

WTF AUTOCORRECT

[yessiree]

I just sell my vote to Meuh.

Ez.

That's not very enchant of you

[yessiree]

I just sell my vote to Meuh.

Ez.

That's not very enchant of you

Shut up you don't even know enchanting table language

shut up and 1v1 me in roblox

[yessiree]

fb, yessiree, hu tao reads still need to cook but kinda where we're at right now.

ill serve u sick dish right now

only scum has townread me so far, everyone who sr me is probtown+

[yessiree]

fb, yessiree, hu tao reads still need to cook but kinda where we're at right now.

ill serve u sick dish right now

only scum has townread me so far, everyone who sr me is probtown+

I want to see you crunch numbers on this

fireB + docDrew + one of {furtive, Bella}

final answer, imma lock this in

RCE is town here for boring me to death with his posts, if nothing else

I do not agree gob was townie, rather I think gob was scumming it up

[yessiree]

fb, yessiree, hu tao reads still need to cook but kinda where we're at right now.

ill serve u sick dish right now

only scum has townread me so far, everyone who sr me is probtown+

We're mindmelding with all your posts while never getting town vibes and idk how to interpret that

it means u flip me and then sheep my reads

[yessiree]

fb, yessiree, hu tao reads still need to cook but kinda where we're at right now.

ill serve u sick dish right now

only scum has townread me so far, everyone who sr me is probtown+

I want to see you crunch numbers on this

fireB + docDrew + one of {furtive, Bella}

final answer, imma lock this in

RCE is town here for boring me to death with his posts, if nothing else

I do not agree gob was townie, rather I think gob was scumming it up

if I'm wrong on someone it's probably drew, but i can't ignore the fact that he came in and immediately zeroed in on hard defending Titus. Plus the conviction on firebringer seems fake for someone who claims he hasn't caught up with the game. I'm reading this as some sort of distancing play to setup one of them to deepwolf

but yeah if wrong here, sub in the gob/enchant slot and call it a day

[yessiree]

Drew can die any time

What motivation would I have to push you as scum?

There are more viable mislim options.

Oh yeah 291 is very anti-partnered.

Oh yeah 291 is very anti-partnered.

kinda disagree but noted

Also disagree, kinda feel Gamma is saying thing to say things here.

what were u going for with this shade then?

[yessiree]

Gonna call Gamma town here so I can give her whiplash later lol

[yessiree]

Drew can die any time

What motivation would I have to push you as scum?

There are more viable mislim options.

Oh yeah 291 is very anti-partnered.

Oh yeah 291 is very anti-partnered.

kinda disagree but noted

Also disagree, kinda feel Gamma is saying thing to say things here.

what were u going for with this shade then?

I was pointing out something I saw and commented on it.

Like you know, how people play this game.

apparently u don't think Gamma is town nor are you pushing her as scum, so tell me what exactly did you see here?

aren't u guilty of the exact same crime u r accusing Gamma of

pedit: i am trying to get a better read of you since if u haven't noticed i think you have pretty high scum equity!

[yessiree]

i mean yess has been buddying a lot of the people scum reading them so

conveniently leaving out the part where i scumread the people townreading me

[yessiree]

well yes
that as well
it was not relevant to answering drews question though

cool

pedit: cripes chill fam

[yessiree]

I'm not trying to mess with your head

It's just normal banter

I'll stop if it affects u this much geez

[yessiree]

i should probably look at hu tao again though

why were u sring python day 1 again?

[yessiree]

I'm actually leading Hu Tao town and scum were equally divided on our wagons.

I think this spews Hu Tao town

lowkey

[yessiree]

@yess

doesn't seem like getting in the way of a Titus wagon, looked more like they were tryna figure out why u were going there specifically, they did swing back to Titus after a wagon on DE formed later on, and the way they were peppering Titus seems anti-pattern of how scum react to their buddy almost getting limmed

[yessiree]

About tree fiddy

[yessiree]

how much does one pay a wizard mercenary to read the game? Asking for a friend

It costs four hundred thousand dollars to read this game for twelve seconds.

Best I can do is 350 Argentine peso

Either that or the Royal express to meet with the Queen

[yessiree]

oh ok well I'm pretty sure pesos will be virtually worthless in a month or so, in case yall haven't kept up to date with world news

not that I have any pesos nor intentions to give out any to begin with

[yessiree]

Freebie vision: Enchant will never read the first 100 pages of this game

deal

signed: Enchant

[yessiree]

Also, can people just play a game of mafia with the understanding people might vote them, and not freak out every time it happens?

As long as people keep townreading AtE it'll keep on happening

Solution: policy any AtE until it stops happening

sigma mindset: keep encouraging AtE behavior for a free scumtell when they can't replicate the same kind of emotion as scum

[yessiree]

Also, can people just play a game of mafia with the understanding people might vote them, and not freak out every time it happens?

As long as people keep townreading AtE it'll keep on happening

Solution: policy any AtE until it stops happening

sigma mindset: keep encouraging AtE behavior for a free scumtell when they can't replicate the same kind of emotion as scum

I have actually had to ask 2 separate people NOT to do that because I don’t want my games to be tainted because players have such skill issues that they can’t sort me on my base play and instead have tried reading me from my emotional reactions.

ok but I wasn't talking about you nor have I factored any AtE in reading u this game

[yessiree]

Missed me fake hammering Titus

Only reason the DE wagon formed was because of that

[yessiree]

Oh actually 2567 was me fake hammering Titus hahahaha

I voted Titus much earlier than that

[yessiree]

this is my homework teacher, I did not do vibes but focused on playstyles instead

theta in Toonz 27
- analytical, cautious, tends to overthink
- reliant on game mechanics and claims instead of social interactions
- breadth over depth of interaction, all over the place
- changing reads, expresses uncertainty a lot, struggles with forming strong opinions
- not much interactions with teammates

theta This game
- laid-back, but indicated certain level of self-awareness
- indecisive overtone, sheeps A LOT
- unsure on certain slots, FB, kyouko, probing meta on kyouko
- influenced by others like dragon, black re: Ari
- focus on mechanics rather than analysis

overall I see some similarities, like easily being influenced by others and not having strong reads, uncertainty on reads

I would like if to see if there are recent town games so I can cross reference some of the qualities that can be used to scumread her

[yessiree]

(mutiny)

[yessiree]

day 1 in ur new job, already pocketed by firebringer

nice going enchonk

[yessiree]

I will hammer anyone thats not Mueh or Gamma at this point

[yessiree]

VOTE: Theta

[yessiree]

I will hammer anyone thats not Mueh or Gamma at this point

VOTE: Theta

dw, I'll snipe the hammer like i did on Titus

I can pull it off trust

[yessiree]

Who would win:
yessiree quickhammer vs enchant quickhammer

enchant has to drive so on paper i have the advantage

[yessiree]

I would probably rule out python here too

town!python have reasons to be suspicious of me given our history, whereas i feel they would try to build rapport by TRing me and getting me to reciprocate the TR by townreading their play which they could easily manipulate as scum. But I also reasons to TR them independently of this

[yessiree]

i assume you are talking about enchant because mood
same

people seemed to think gob was town though so i am just sheeping that

Now would be a good time for people to expand on that gob TR

[yessiree]

viewtopic.php?t=91890
Just read his ISO in this game

What am I looking for

[yessiree]

there is a snake slithering in the grass

VOTE: Enchant

I still think gob is town
He has a certain unfiltered quality as town imo, and I can probably show what I mean with a game link

are u talking about him only being unfiltered as town? cuz i dont think that holds water. gob says random shit for the sake of saying random shit as either alignment

like when he was scum with dragoneater, he was capable of saying shit like
"We should actually keep Dragon Eater alive and instead vote someone else. DragonEater can be shot at night or something." when DE was within lim range

see how he skirted around the DE wagon
viewtopic.php?t=91950&user_select%5B%5D=26058

[yessiree]

[yessiree]

everyone seems to fall asleep at my posts these days. Maybe I can use this as a scum tactic in the future where i put all the townies to sleep

No, i just rule with iron fist.

There's no conflicts anymore.

Have u read anythin milord

[yessiree]

What FB said about the bus kind of lines up with my reads: there's scum in Dave, nearys and yess. Yess has been my top SR since about page ten and nothing has changed it

Are you a theta clone?

How is possible that ur read on me hasn't changed since page 10

[yessiree]

V OTECOUNT 1.FINAL
E LIMINATION V OTES
P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES
Titus (9)	Meuh, Hu Tao, davesaz, usesPython, Naerys, yessiree, RCEnigma, Aristeia, DragonEater70
DragonEater70 (3)	Firebringer, Titus, Gamma Emerald
usesPython (1)	gob
yessiree (1)	Theta Alpine
Bellaphant (1)	furtiveglance
NOT VOTING: Bellaphant, Doctor Drew
With 17 alive, it takes 9 votes to flip!
Notes: Please alert me of any votecount errors you notice!

The alternative to scum must've bussed Titus is that scum were all off wagon. I don't find the argument scum must've piled on Titus particularly compelling. But if scum did bus I'm thinking at most one was on wagon

That is why I have been trying to sort people off wagon since day 2. That is pretty clear in my ISO

[yessiree]

My solve is out there

No I'm not voting ari

[yessiree]

fireB + docDrew + one of {furtive, Bella}

final answer, imma lock this in

this was ur last solve from what i looked at for solve

Yeah I really think off wagon has more scum than on wagon

I'm willing to die on this hill lol

[yessiree]

I was getting scumread for asking it in a different community in like 2020 and it was definitely more telling there, I still like asking it here but maybe I should find some better questions

I like my more blunt approach of just calling them scum and start from there

Results may vary a lot tho

[yessiree]

I believe Theta when says she was going to hammer Theta. But i guess you can argue putting a timeline on voting is a tactic to encourage second guessing voting. I doubt Theta thinks like this.

This doesn't discount theta scum imo. Theta could 100% be scum and wanted to hammer. But i don't think theta was trying to weaken the titus wagon.

that's not really AI for theta when she has had no read on Titus for the entirety of day 1

[yessiree]

What FB said about the bus kind of lines up with my reads: there's scum in Dave, nearys and yess. Yess has been my top SR since about page ten and nothing has changed it

Are you a theta clone?

How is possible that ur read on me hasn't changed since page 10

Can I also point out how bad this is? It doesn't even make sense: some people do have reads that don't change massively, including sr. In a few games this year I've had day one sr be correct, that's not like....unheard of for other people at all either.

The question isn't even a question. If we want to sort out each other, surely you'd ask me why, about other reads, about...well, anything.

you had a few day one srs turn out to be correct, so what? do you have any past experience playing with me? do you know me well enough to pin me to an alignment purely based on early day one?

so far the scum case on me has been
- yessiree hasn't posted anything I liked
- yessiree hasn't posted anything for me to change this
- yessiree bussed Titus
did I miss anything else?

I have over 170+ posts, not all of them are jokes, there are plenty of content on day 2 alone you can use to sort me but you are choosing to do none of that and instead opting to hide behind on your early day one gut read. I seriously doubt the town motivation behind this read of urs - feels like a tunnel at best; players like you and theta with nothing burger reads and no progression are whats allowing scum to push this narrative that I bussed Titus

[yessiree]

i think his case is that bella is scum. Or being lazy. I can't completely tell tbh

nah, i dont have a solid read on bella atm, she's just kinda hovering in my poe pool of could be scum

it is annoying, whats shes doing, because i can't look at it without bias and decide if it's scum being lazy or a self-righteous townie deep in a tunnel on an rvs read

I do lean scum on theta though since her reads are rigid af this game
and when I looked at her scum meta earlier there are certainly similarities

[yessiree]

this is my homework teacher, I did not do vibes but focused on playstyles instead

theta in Toonz 27
- analytical, cautious, tends to overthink
- reliant on game mechanics and claims instead of social interactions
- breadth over depth of interaction, all over the place
- changing reads, expresses uncertainty a lot, struggles with forming strong opinions
- not much interactions with teammates

theta This game
- laid-back, but indicated certain level of self-awareness
- indecisive overtone, sheeps A LOT
- unsure on certain slots, FB, kyouko, probing meta on kyouko
- influenced by others like dragon, black re: Ari
- focus on mechanics rather than analysis

overall I see some similarities, like easily being influenced by others and not having strong reads, uncertainty on reads

I would like if to see if there are recent town games so I can cross reference some of the qualities that can be used to scumread her

[yessiree]

Firebringer even if ur not scum here I will still scumread you since Big Buddha told me so in a dream

[yessiree]

i am definitely scum though so big buddha was right. Follow ur dreams

thanks bro, I'm not superstitious but im a little stitious ya know

[yessiree]

hmmm

on the one hand i think firebringer is scum
on the other hand that is actually a pretty good case

yess could be angry town here sure
but could also be scum that is annoyed the argument against them boils down to
they are doing the correct plays but just do not seem to vibe town

@yess, it isn't even a case really, it's just...this. do you wanna link me a town and scum game? It's not that I'm confident reading you, so like fair, I'll put the work in, I just am trying to be more confident generally in trusting those early reads for....personal reasons.


You did mention the bussing thing though, which iirc came from FB. Do you wanna talk to me more about that?

ok I see the merit in that, I dig first impression reads, as they often have a pretty good accuracy, like my first impression read of kyouko this game
but i just dont think it's wise to use that as the sole basis to form ur read on someone, especially when are content that can be used to refine/influence that read

town game: viewtopic.php?t=91553
scum game: viewtopic.php?t=91915

i forget who was pushing me bussing Titus, I think a lot people agreed it was more likely scum heavily bussed Titus and that I was one of the candidates (?)
i have to go back to look, but i also did mention i think we're more likely to hit scum off wagon

[yessiree]

I can dig your read on her, maybe read Boons Ahoy for actual scumTheta as well(which I might too to refresh my memory.......bonus that I was scum that game as well)

is that one also what FB linked a while ago?

[yessiree]

I just realised we played a game with you as town, we should probably reread that

incidentally that game is a pretty good baseline for scum!Drew

[yessiree]

ok reread our progression that game, we went from yes town to yes null through that game whereas in divide and conquer we were townreading to hard scumreading you that game so your scumtell might just straight up be being obvious

UNVOTE:

well to be fair in divide and conquer i was in small hood with u, so i literally had to be either town or scum from ur pov

[yessiree]

I will read the games tonight, but I just want to be clear that the other sussy thing is votes and cw: I do believe Titus was bussed (and If I was scum with both of you I'd rather keep you alive), you were on the dragon wagon, and it seems super hard to actually get votes on you:: we start wagonning you and like five votes popped up for nearys instantly - I guess this is something you could give your thoughts on

this is a super weird question to ask me here? wouldn't this be something you should comment on if you think you're pushing scum!me and my teammates are coming to my defense by voting counter wagons?

The simple answer to this is just that there was never any compelling scum case me so people aren't inclined to join? cause i dunno what else to tell you, I think you're just hyper focused on my wagons since you're the one championing it? iirc the events that happened today - people were already pushing Naerys (Gamme)/RCE early today but there was only a wagon on RCE, and when Mueh came back there was a burst of activity, the wagon on RCE dissolved so the new votes just kinda happened to coincide between Naerys and me

I never voted on any of my counter wagons today because they don't align with my gamestate read, the only counter wagon i hopped on was Titus but that was yesterday

[yessiree]

(and If I was scum with both of you I'd rather keep you alive)

also why would scum keep me alive over Titus if we were all scum together?

[yessiree]

I will read the games tonight, but I just want to be clear that the other sussy thing is votes and cw: I do believe Titus was bussed (and If I was scum with both of you I'd rather keep you alive), you were on the dragon wagon, and it seems super hard to actually get votes on you:: we start wagonning you and like five votes popped up for nearys instantly - I guess this is something you could give your thoughts on

this is a super weird question to ask me here? wouldn't this be something you should comment on if you think you're pushing scum!me and my teammates are coming to my defense by voting counter wagons?

The simple answer to this is just that there was never any compelling scum case me so people aren't inclined to join? cause i dunno what else to tell you, I think you're just hyper focused on my wagons since you're the one championing it? iirc the events that happened today - people were already pushing Naerys (Gamme)/RCE early today but there was only a wagon on RCE, and when Mueh came back there was a burst of activity, the wagon on RCE dissolved so the new votes just kinda happened to coincide between Naerys and me

I never voted on any of my counter wagons today because they don't align with my gamestate read, the only counter wagon i hopped on was Titus but that was yesterday

Bella having this read is pretty valid. I spent a bit evaluating my read once the naerys counterwagon popped up because like I said I had no counterwagon, pressure moved to you and naerys caught heat directly after.

I don’t think it indicates you being scum but scumreading that chain of events is fair.

I have been mulling over this and yeah I can kinda see this mindset coming from Bella!town

[yessiree]

Okay, for today there are main three suspects: yessiree, myself, davesaz
As for myself, i am town. Whenever you feel some concer about me, feel free to throw it at me. I will answer them as best as i can, even if i sometimes yell my frustration out.

yessiree
- Well he is hard to read for me, played only one game with him, where he was alien. And i have to admit that i basically spent whole game following Flavor without paying much attention, so its quite hard for me to compare yessiree in that game with him here. I will be frank, i dont like his levity. Is he always like this? That faked hammer is giving me bad vibes.
@yessiree Who are your solid town reads and whom do you SR?

why lock ur vision on these 3 players specifically just because they are the flavor of the day? Remember that conformity is not always necessary since people can be wrong, and no one is stopping you from expanding ur horizon to see the bigger picture and it's a good idea to keep that in mind if u r town

to answer ur question: i don't like taking things too seriously, that takes the fun out of everything - this trait should be present in all my games, or maybe i'm just a nihilist?

in terms of reads this is where im at:

Mueh
Gamma, python
bella, naerys, RCE
hu tao, Doctor Drew
Enchant, Aristeia
davesaz, furtiveglance


I'm leaving firebringer out because i have zero confidence in reading him and dont wanna spend too much energy sorting him, i like seeing him cook tho, he should cook some more

[yessiree]

yeah kinda
i feel like good things happen when u cook tho

[yessiree]

hmmm i am having paranoia on Gamma and python

hmmm

[yessiree]

viewtopic.php?t=91890
I remember Titus having a problem with my voting pattern in this game, but I was town

i dont get how this is any useful in figuring out ur alignment this game without any provided context

"you are wrong to push me for this thing im doing -> I did the same thing in that other game and I was town"
i dont like this line of thinking at all
the circumstances between games are completely different, and how people viewed ur behavior in other games is irrelevant to how you could be sorted here

[yessiree]

V OTECOUNT 1.10
E LIMINATION V OTES
P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES
Titus (6)	Hu Tao, Meuh, Firebringer, yessiree, Aristeia, DragonEater70
Hu Tao (4)	Titus, Naerys, usesPython, Gamma Emerald
yessiree (1)	Theta Alpine
Bellaphant (1)	furtiveglance
davesaz (1)	RCEnigma
Firebringer (1)	gob
NOT VOTING: davesaz, Doctor Drew, Bellaphant
With 17 alive, it takes 9 votes to flip! Deadline: (expired on 2023-12-25 01:44:07)
Notes: I'm back & recovered! Please alert me of any votecount errors you notice!

complete turbo hail mary

one scum on hu tao wagon {Naerys, usesPython, Gamma Emerald}
one scum on vanity wagons {Theta Alpine, furtiveglance, RCEnigma, gob}
one scum not on any wagon {davesaz, Doctor Drew, Bellaphant}

[yessiree]

darn, back to the drawing board for me

[yessiree]

Titus (6) Hu Tao, Meuh, Firebringer, yessiree, Aristeia, DragonEater70

This being all town just seems crazy to me

Titus's energy towards Hu Tao towards end of day didn't read like S-S, Hu Tao abrasiveness towards being suspected felt townie
Meuh is conftown
Firebringer is Firebringer
yessiree is yessiree
Aristeia feels like she has no agenda and in just-wanna-be-carried mode
DE is cop

I guess there is a world where you and aristeia are both scum but i dont see that happening, not yet

[yessiree]

I'm actually leading Hu Tao town and scum were equally divided on our wagons.

VOTE: Hu Tao

Scum took the bait

VOTE: Titus

I'm conflicted. Hu Tao not giving reads is scummy but I'm really wanting wagons.

This is scum.

It makes a bit of sense that Hu Tao would think it was a bait as it was Hu Tao's plan. However to sheep it with no understanding is off to me. Particularly when I don't like readless gamestates as a player generally. I like players that take a stand for VCA.

this was when Titus had 7 votes just prior to Hu Tao and gob starting a counter wagon on python because python kept trying to question Hu Tao's vote on Titus without reasoning
it doesn't feel like something scum would say to a teammate - it would be like a tacit approval of a scum buddy relieving pressure of you but in way that unnecessarily draws attention
it feels more like something scum!Titus would say while under pressure to justify her inauthentic read on Hu Tao since he already knows Hu Tao's town

[yessiree]

i been wondering when we would get hu tao's replacement

[yessiree]

@davesaz, I had an assignment for Drew at the start of this day phase, what would you rate his performance?

I wanna turbo lim Drew, but only thing that's holding me back is how towny Black was.

Why?

Not reading

Defending Titus while not reading

Being dismissive towards people who were pushing for Titus

Clearing drew is a mistake here

But like I said I don't wanna go after him right now

He better start drewing it up tho

[yessiree]

^ mod please ban this player