What makes you think all three of us are town? Cobblerfone and I gave fairly similar reasons but ssbm_Kyouko's vote looks like an unreasoned RVS vote?In post 30, Puffalicious wrote: People voting us are town
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someone said something similar, but I joined as an alt because I wanted to try a different play style to usual and didn't want people to try meta read my playstyle shiftIn post 164, Gamma Emerald wrote: Elements I’m slightly concerned about. I feel like the first 3 CrabApple posts are fake new-ness on reflection.I agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
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Skimmed Gamma's iso from open 891 and then reread its iso from this gameIn post 188, Cobblerfone wrote:In post 137, Elements wrote: I don't think Gamma is a good voteWhat changed your mind on her between these two posts?
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gamma is no longer on thisIn post 191, Puffalicious wrote:
Agreed.In post 137, Elements wrote: I don't think Gamma is a good vote
VOTE: Elements
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You felt a lot more "look at me! I'm here to have fun!" In your entrance than I remember you feeling in other games I've played with youIn post 193, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Okay. What similarities did you see?In post 190, Elements wrote:
Skimmed Gamma's iso from open 891 and then reread its iso from this gameIn post 188, Cobblerfone wrote:In post 137, Elements wrote: I don't think Gamma is a good voteWhat changed your mind on her between these two posts?
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why is it me trying to do meta but just doing it badly and not me trying to find reasons to scum read someone but not bothering to do it properly?In post 203, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: so in summary, Elements' heart is in the right place, but the execution is flawed and I remain unconvincedI agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
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Does the fact i was intentionally doctoring my posts so I wouldn't be recognised change your read at all?In post 216, Puffalicious wrote:
I was choosing between Elements and someone else... cant remember who. And I chose Elements because I saw you were on it, although I guess you unvoted at some point.In post 213, Gamma Emerald wrote: but like, your whole vote on Elements was predicated on me voting them, so me unvoting should have staying power?
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I always vote hop day 1In post 224, Thomith wrote: @Elements, do you agree with the assessment that you've been vote hopping?
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The post implies that ssmb knows that Gamma and I are town, which they only can as scumIn post 231, Thomith wrote:
What do you mean TMI on you and Gamma being town?In post 229, Elements wrote:I can join you here
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I'm not very good at explaining things
203 is much easier to make of you already know I'm town
If you're trying to figure out my alignment I feel like there are a lot more hoops you have to jump through to get a town read on me from the post it was in reference toI agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
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Enchant is hereIn post 317, Thomith wrote: What's going on...
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if you metadive me you'll find very different iso's to this gameIn post 410, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: Just to be clear I am not currently scumreading Elements - until I metadive her to see if she normally makes low-effort metadives as town, I will continue to TR her. If i find that she normally puts more effort in as town, or that she has a pattern of making this kind of lazy meta push as scum, then the only scenario where she could have been scum is a lot more likely because cobb did flip scum. If you look back at when Mizuki was pushing me about my confidence in my read on Elements, you will note that the only scenario where scum!Elements makes sense is if the team is exactly {Cobb, Elements}. I don't think I survive the Night if this was the case but I'm not going to let that WIFOM deter me from meta diving Elements to verify what her townplay is like.I agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
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This was an enjoyable read, thank youIn post 423, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: I've been through Elements' ISO in all of their completed games from this year.
When I sayevidence, what I'm looking for are any references to meta. I try to start with a broad approach and if I notice a specific pattern I will try to hone in on that, but here there was not one (related to Elements using meta at least, there was a NAI pattern I found).
large 245:
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booneytoonz: town
243: nothing you've done is out of your scum range (I later learned that Elements said this about a player they know IRL when reading another game they played together in where that player was town and Elements was scum)
1519: counts every post (53) in the iso of theta and categorizes it
grand idea:
74 post count replace-in, no evidence
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replaced out, low postcount, no evidence
normal 2302: scum
119 "I'm not a fan of meta partly because most of the time I get bored reading other people's past games"
169 - are you gonna meta me or? (in response to being SRed for making up reads D1 and then claiming she always does this)
272 - self-metas to defend self against Morning Tweet suspecting
935 - "im not going to meta myself"
Mini 2291: town
replaced out, low postcount, but something to note that I found to be accurate was this bit of self-meta:
255 - Elements is a self-professed wagon-follower on D1 (like they like to vote for large wagons to push through pretty much any elimination) She was a a follower in this game so makes sense she just wanted nights, but she says this about herself in another game iirc and from reading her ISOs from this year I found it to be accurate as both alignments she vote hops a lot on D1.
HMS Mutiny: scum - lots of vote hopping like they do as town (no meta evidence)
Open 872 (Guardians of the fortress): scum
116: dont have a long enough memory to remember scum/town games unless it's recent
I'd say that overall the results are inconclusive. I'll retract that it's unlikely for that lazy read to come from scum!Elements though, in light of the Cobblerfone flip. scum!Elements would have had motivation to try to move the wagon away from Cobb. If anything Elements' NAI pattern of being vote-hoppy on D1 might indicate they had knowledge Cobb would flip scum and were trying to avoid it. My impression from their ISOs is that they just want to kill anyone D1 when they are town or scum. I don't have context on any of their votes from those ISOs though - like idk if as town they have been known to flip-flop off of a close-to-elimination wagonI agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
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I am very excitedIn post 482, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: prepare to be dazzledI agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
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Does the roleblocker world not mess things up?I agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
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If Tomith is a rolecop/vanilla cop we have 3 or 4 clears right?
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The tracker/roleblocker clear if it existsI agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
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In either scenario if mafia have a rolecop there is no way to prevent the PRs from getting another clear/guilty tonight for a 4/5th clearI agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
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So if there's no Jugganaut we just win?I agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
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Sure, I can retargetI agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
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So puff is clear?I agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
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Kyouko I don't see being scum here so we can vote imaginality or Gamma, block the other if they're not scumI agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
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Come claimIn post 496, Gamma Emerald wrote: PingI agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
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That's everyone except imaginality then right?I agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
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Yeah same, just like low level paranoia.In post 589, Thomith wrote:
I suspected Mizuki for the entirety of Day 1 but didnt really know why I felt that way (was mostly gut) so I just never mentioned itIn post 587, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: Yeah I guess the D1 scum elimination makes things much different - scum rolecop just feels really weak though, especially versus hypoclaims where by the time you've found a PR on N1 using the rolecop ability, the PR results are already out there. If you find them on N2 I guess scum knows whonotto try to push in 5p ELO on D3
Maybe it's not as bad as I'm thinking - I think the townblock was pretty solid this game after Mizuki was done voting me, although Elements roleblocked Mizuki so maybe it wasn't as strong as I thought.I agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
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