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[Alisae]

[Alisae]

for this post
I will be roleplaying has the guy from overwatch
VOTE: Ydrasse
May the dragon consume you!

[Alisae]

okay guy rp is over I will play later

[Alisae]

oh btw this is just for me but i only distinctly remember reading a tiny bit of page 1 and thinking that ydra was town during page 1

[Alisae]

Alisae replaces Xegarus.

I will Hanzo ult you

[Alisae]

omg shirou stop spamming!!!!!!

[Alisae]

Shirou keep spamming!!!

[Alisae]

I read Ydrasse as Yandere for a second.
Is Ydra a Yandere?

[Alisae]

oh good if you were crazy we would have big problems

[Alisae]

also I would be scared

[Alisae]

ok so I thought after my streaming activities that I would get into this game but I have a hard time getting into the mood so I'ma just wait until I am "in the mood"

[Alisae]

proof?

VOTE: ydrasse

VOTE: snivy

[Alisae]

Greetings denizens of the open queue

I am here away from my typical theme based existence because I have identified a breaking strategy for this open setup
If we eliminate scum on day 1 and 2, we win and there is nothing scum can do about it

incredible

[Alisae]

VOTE: ydrasse

real

is t3 ok?

[Alisae]

Originally, I was planning on keeping my vote on Xegarus at least until they post, then reevaluate at that point. I soon realized they were in a very different timezone from me and likely had not seen their role PM, but that was not enough to make me change. However, I am now less optimistic that they will be here soon as I further realized they have not been active in several days. I'm going to shift my vote to another non-poster I am unfamiliar with.

VOTE: gob

I'm happy to see Ydrasse having fun and I am amused by the Shirou Contamination Cube. I wonder why she started her interaction with me the way she did but I'm not really eager to press the point. It's all been a pleasant start to the game so far.

I think Snivy's posting is the most suspect so far beginning with the mechanical jump-in. I've found the jokes since funny, but he does feel like a scum player trying to go with the flow. I still prefer to take stock of the entire playerlist before I shift my vote somewhere with a touch more force.

i like this vote but it is NAI :[

[Alisae]

VOTE: std

[Alisae]

camelCasedSnivy - lean town they got better. honestly I think if they were a wolf they would probably be more serious.
Prism - votes made by Prism are probably +town
Ydrasse - townie
T3 - townie
jjh927 - townie
patchwork -
gob -
Save The Dragons - i like the people who are voting dragons. I have no reason not to support it.
Shirou - unreadable
Firebringer - unreadable given what he's posted so far.
imaginality - gun to head villager
Andresvmb -

{t3, ydrasse, jjh927}
{snivy}
{prism}
{imaginality}
{shirou, fire}
{patchwork gob andres}
{std}

[Alisae]

Gob hasn't even posted and probably just gets replaced

[Alisae]

I will be jjh's doublevoter
he tells me to jump
i ask how high

[Alisae]

you were expecting town!me to do a thing in the event of scum!me would do a thing?

[Alisae]

idunno bro u seem town I just call it as I see it

[Alisae]

you were expecting town!me to do a thing in the event of scum!me would do a thing?

I can only assume you meant you were referring to scum!me actually being scum!you.

[Alisae]

jjh I didn't know that the one piece thingy that netflix did was fun as heck

[Alisae]

i too am a fan of seasonal anime i talk seasonal anime all of the time

[Alisae]

where is Frieren?
where is the Kingdom of Ruin?
where is shy?
Shangri actually kinda fire
dead mount play part 2 kinda fire
i couldn't stand that villianness anime for a second
i like The Vexations of a Shut-In Vampire Princess that show is fun
returner's magic is fun

[Alisae]

i'm also watching that

[Alisae]

i lean town on patch

[Alisae]

VOTE: gob

[Alisae]

Yea prism is scummy but alisae is scummier

your reasoning for clearing std is terrible and is built on a flawed structure.
Just because someone got wagoned quickly doesn't mean that they're town. Not to mention you're also removing context.
from my pov before I joined it was just 3 votes. I liked the people who were voting, it seemed natural to me, and also wagons in the early game are a good thing as they force people to create stances. I don't rly have anything to lose from making that vote. If anything it's interesting if a hammer on STD actually does happen

[Alisae]

regardless of gob's alignment I think they have a surface level understanding of the game

[Alisae]

Just because someone got wagoned quickly doesn't mean that they're town. Not to mention you're also removing context.

as someone who played with this in mind for like, one year, i take offense to this

I used to think it as well when I was newer to the game LOL

[Alisae]

In 2010, when I was still a very hungry caterpillar at the ripe age of 13, I experimented with the "third on the wagon" rule to great success in 9p games. I do think that heuristic was a touch more reliable, but we all start somewhere.

9p games are so different tho

[Alisae]

9 is the perfect number to play mafia with

[Alisae]

jjh what do u think about fire

[Alisae]

I think Alisae’s ISO is Scummy actually. I know they’re A LOT more competent than their ISO makes it seem like they are, and they read to me like they don’t care too much what happens here.

uuuuuh, idunno what it is that you expect not much has realistically happened :/

[Alisae]

viewtopic.php?t=91609&user_select%5B%5D=28780
i think this feels a little different on a very very quick skim

That game you quoted ended very quickly. I doubt you can derive a lot of Scum tells out of it. I’m also comparing a recent game that just ended where Alisae really was pushing stuff forward and being outwardly Towny. I just feel like they would be challenging some players a bit more.

i replaced in mid game in datisi game and here I replaced in early game.
my early game is a lot more different. A lot more slow. Combine that with the fact that not much has really happened and you get my ISO

[Alisae]

Like what is there to challenge?

[Alisae]

like I don't think wolves posted very much up till when I replaced in

[Alisae]

A lot of your questions are silly and time wasting.

Oh really? Maybe I'll conclude that your slot being alive is silly and time wasting.

Do you WANT me to conclude that?

I do NOT fail to MURDER someone when I want to.

I think your whole "StD was being voted so he's town" reasoning was silly too but I wouldn't simply ignore engagement on my take on that as if I'm "above" explaining my logic to "plebeians"

Dude its simple, StD was the first wagon to quickly rack up 5 votes. It's hard to think that StD is mafia there because mafia buds would put in some kind of resistance for their partner. Even if it wasn't a direct "hey lets not vote StD" it would be a "hey lets vote this other guy"

What other guy

[Alisae]

Could this other guy perhaps be
User alisae????

[Alisae]

A lot of your questions are silly and time wasting.

Oh really? Maybe I'll conclude that your slot being alive is silly and time wasting.

Do you WANT me to conclude that?

I do NOT fail to MURDER someone when I want to.

I think your whole "StD was being voted so he's town" reasoning was silly too but I wouldn't simply ignore engagement on my take on that as if I'm "above" explaining my logic to "plebeians"

Dude its simple, StD was the first wagon to quickly rack up 5 votes. It's hard to think that StD is mafia there because mafia buds would put in some kind of resistance for their partner. Even if it wasn't a direct "hey lets not vote StD" it would be a "hey lets vote this other guy"

What other guy

It's an example oh my GOD LOL

either way there really wasn’t an opportunity for such a thing to happen.
Wagon speed has nothing to do with alignment and most of the people posting up till I rep’d in are likely villagers.

[Alisae]

We’re 100% never fading STD today.

camelCasedSnivy, Shirou, Ydrasse, Alisae, Prism

this probably has scum on back end (alisae, prism)

wait this is how u got alisae and prism scum
game just got started and ur analyzing a wagon on a unflipped player.
how is StD so town to get u to this

Okay let’s go here next this is likely in ur wolf range
VOTE: fire

[Alisae]

I don’t think gob’s demeanor comes from mafia if I’m being honest. Guy seems like he’s trying to make enemies.

[Alisae]

I don’t think gob’s demeanor comes from mafia if I’m being honest. Guy seems like he’s trying to make enemies.

don't think this is alignment indicative. ive done that as scum to get townreads before, also prism has done that before.

I would never tr u or prism for that demeanor.

[Alisae]

I'm not worried about Prism right now

[Alisae]

woah

[Alisae]

A lot of your questions are silly and time wasting.

Oh really? Maybe I'll conclude that your slot being alive is silly and time wasting.

Do you WANT me to conclude that?

I do NOT fail to MURDER someone when I want to.

I think your whole "StD was being voted so he's town" reasoning was silly too but I wouldn't simply ignore engagement on my take on that as if I'm "above" explaining my logic to "plebeians"

Dude its simple, StD was the first wagon to quickly rack up 5 votes. It's hard to think that StD is mafia there because mafia buds would put in some kind of resistance for their partner. Even if it wasn't a direct "hey lets not vote StD" it would be a "hey lets vote this other guy"

What other guy

It's an example oh my GOD LOL

either way there really wasn’t an opportunity for such a thing to happen.
Wagon speed has nothing to do with alignment and most of the people posting up till I rep’d in are likely villagers.

You think mafia is letting the thread get to the point where one of their partners is E-1? I don't think that's logical unless you think the maf are afk.

we're doing this...

shirou is scum

UNVOTE: gob

VOTE: Save The Dragons

The first vote on STD.
No one is going to care about this or think it leads to anything

Yay Ydrasse posts!



I might as well do this too I guess.

VOTE: Save The Dragons

Shirou keep spamming!!!

Shirou pushes it

there are a lot of people other than those reads that im shrugging at for now it doesnt feel like the games really started despite being on page 9

yep, care to help me on StD wagon?

I kinda feel like town!StD may have talked a bit more about Prism if he really suspected them

like, no engagement or anything. Dunno, the best I've at the moment.

i dont agree with this read because i can put myself in dragon's place if i got told i was being annoying/my play was Like That in someone's eyes but im not opposed to wagoning him either
VOTE: save the dragons

ydra votes it

If StD voted Prism because he was suspicious, why didn't he say so when Prism was talking about him "only doing it to annoy him or for reactions" for example?

It's a minor thing but it kinda bugs me that it took me asking him to confirm whether Prism said was right or not. Wouldn't the normal behavior be to explain shortly "I'm voting you because I think you're scum" rather than "uh okay" and dip out?

I think this is good enough for a vote right now because to be quite honest I hardly got anything out of those early interactions myself

VOTE: Save the Dragons

jjh votes it

most of these votes are bandwagoning for the sake of bandwagoning, which at this stage of the game is perfectly fine. 236 sums it up perfectly.
nothing else happens in thread then I vote it. Quite frankly, as long as I don't have any distinct feelings that the player is town, std in this position could realistically be anyone and I still place that vote. Voting on that wagon is just good to get things going.
Nothing else really happened. the only people that posted from my vote to prism's vote are std voters and std.

Context is important and will always be important my guy.

[Alisae]

The whole argument that std is town just because he was 1 vote away from Lethal holds no weight. A bunch of people put votes on std.
jjh's response is to prism vote is to unvote.
T3 thinks std is town
Fire doesn't say much
Snivy exists and also unvoted
Patch didn't do anything
imaginality went along with his business

and then the most notable thing that happened after all of this is you (gob) coming in saying we never vote std.

There isn't rly an alternative that's being pushed here or is able to be pushed. If anything, you're creating one by trying to vote me. I feel like by your own logic you should be mafia with std but we both know that that isn't how mafia actually works

[Alisae]

I got a read on the guy idrc anymore, his questioning isn't going to provide answers that help him read into my alignment because I'm stating facts/events that happened.
He's removing context from his read and I'm trying to say why his read doesn't work if he considers context.

[Alisae]

Why did you stop before your vote and Prisms votes? lol

stupid question, consider reading the pages and what happened

[Alisae]

Prism can give you lessons on how to read if you need help.

[Alisae]

Why did you stop before your vote and Prisms votes? lol

stupid question, consider reading the pages and what happened

Well i would like to hear your commentary on Prism's vote at least.

There's nothing to talk about

[Alisae]

their first post is to vote std and put them into lethal range.
Not much else to talk about. I can't divine alignment from that.
I like their vote history in general up to that point but I can't immediately gather what alignment it is. Need more things to happen

[Alisae]

honestly, if you want my opinion, I doubt there was ever going to be a hammer on std. Most wolves unless they are desperate or in a terrible position are not going to take the first thing they see.

[Alisae]

Nothing is wrong with letting a wagon get to 1 vote away from lethal if anything wagons are good to get people generating stances

[Alisae]

{t3, ydrasse, jjh927, gob}
{snivy}
{prism}
{shirou}
{patchwork andres, std, fire, imaginality}

[Alisae]

oh wait I remember saying I leaned town on patch

{t3, ydrasse, jjh927, gob}
{snivy}
{prism}
{shirou, patchwork}
{andres, std, fire, imaginality}

[Alisae]

i think shirou is town

who are your strongest townreads and why

[Alisae]

i think shirou is town

who are your strongest townreads and why

shirou, jjh and ydrasse

do u have a read on gob

[Alisae]

im lost xd
UNVOTE:

[Alisae]

jjh can u just tell me who the mafia is so I can be your doublevoter ty

[Alisae]

gut

[Alisae]

Shirou vote on me reeks opportunism

[Alisae]

u mad?

[Alisae]

And no obviously I don't think that anyone being voted can't be scum. That wasn't what I was saying at all. Really disingenuous reading of what I said.

Fair enough, it was kinda disingenuous but the reason I said that was because it felt like the second time you were "wary" of a wagon gaining traction in the game. What made you change your mind about Alisae being your top suspect? It felt like you unvoted simply because Alisae wagon was getting popular unless I missed something.

Shirou vote on me reeks opportunism

I got off Alisae because a bunch of other people jumped on her. There is no benefit to burying her right now and everyone jumping on her.

you should vote me because you allow someone to put me at 6 votes and then you create an opportunity for mafia to want to put me at 7 votes and kill me.

[Alisae]

creating wagons and being on wagons is good if you want to generate information. The more votes on a wagon the better.

[Alisae]

I mean if you're actually town TM taught me that trying really hard in mafia games isn't rly worth my time anymore so I just don't care as much

[Alisae]

You've been really reactive so far and I don't think it's a good sign

I prefer being reactive over proactive.

[Alisae]

Yes

[Alisae]

honestly I don't even know how to play wolf anymore cuz I can't win vs good towns

[Alisae]

town is much more enjoyable

[Alisae]

This is so LAMIST

btw this is why you're probably mafia in this game.
You didn't need to add this but you did.

[Alisae]

you should vote me because you allow someone to put me at 6 votes and then you create an opportunity for mafia to want to put me at 7 votes and kill me

This is so LAMIST Ali...have you really been this "I-don't-give-a-fuck" after Team Mafia...?

like im just tellin the guy how to use his vote.

[Alisae]

Voting things is more often than not good and being on wagons is good because it creates reads.
Guy thinks you should only vote what you wanna flip. I can't blame the guy for having a narrow view of how to use this vote, he doesn't seem that experienced.

[Alisae]

anyway I think I'm being voted mostly by town.
I can't tell w/ prism prism doesn't do anything that's alignment indicative but votes as a whole come across as town motivated.
Shirou is the only one that really comes across as mafia w/ these interactions and I think their attacks on me are motivated by opportunism

[Alisae]

For Alisae I can't tell if you're saying I haven't done anything alignment indicative this game, or if you just don't even try more broadly. I can't even remember us actually playing together.

we played like once a long ass time ago

[Alisae]

i don't remember what I was like back then.
I have a more refined playstyle that suits my strengths & skillset better nowadays so I just play to that.

[Alisae]

If you want my opinion on gob I think they're a newer player but I think their posts come from someone who is uninformed rather than someone who is informed and exploitative.

pedit: I would say a combination of both actually. You're skilled and thus it's simply is harder for you to do something that can only come from town and never comes from mafia.

[Alisae]

Same thing w/ Shirou.
I would say Shirou is harder to read because they're skilled and thus it's simply just harder for Shirou to do something that can only come from town.

[Alisae]

Shirou as scum has to force posts. I don't feel any of shirou posts are forced

his push on me I think qualifies if he wants to position himself towards killing me

[Alisae]

my reads right now are probably more this

{t3, ydrasse, jjh927, gob} these are my high confidence trs
{snivy, fire} these are my low confidence trs. they could be wrong but I don't think so.
{patchwork, prism} I am grasping at straws to tr them. These could definitely be wrong.
{andres, std, imaginality} this is my leftover pool
{Shirou} this is who I definitively think is mafia

[Alisae]

prism is interesting because I don't like any of their fos'
I don't think Gob and snivy are mafia and well I'm not mafia.
I do think the votes that they have made make sense for their pov which is why I'm feeling like I'm grasping as straws to TR it.

[Alisae]

jjh can u just tell me who the mafia is so I can be your doublevoter ty

I should be asleep but I will respond to this request

Town
T3
Andresvmb
Firebringer
Ydrasse
Alisae
Prism
gob

Town?
camelCasedSnivy
imaginality

Scum?
Shirou
Save The Dragons
patchwork


To be honest I was intending to vote STD around the time the VLA expired and see what happens but yeah, this is where I'm at

I can see this just being really realistic. maybe like 1 wolf wrong.

[Alisae]

shirou is scum

UNVOTE: gob

VOTE: Save The Dragons

my gut tells me that this is always written by town because of this following post.

dude im saying youre town

this is a response to this

you called T3 town and voted him so i called you scum

Yeah but like, was it a joke or do you think that was actually scummy of me?

which upon reading now, makes me want to clear snivy if shirou flips mafia.
Shirou's response is something I can very very much so relate to if they're mafia.

[Alisae]

honestly snivy you kinda come across as OMGUS town here

[Alisae]

I just call it out how I see it

[Alisae]

Prism + me I think is a pairing I think that is easy to come up with.
Gob might have been thinking about it and I think he questioned me on it in a way I think is probably town indicative (this makes the assumption that this was something they were considering)
It's all about how you use this theoretically pairing that I'm looking for and right now I feel like ur townie for it.

[Alisae]

honestly snivy you kinda come across as OMGUS town here

He was "hoping it was a pressure vote", then when it is revealed to be substantive, and the read is consistent with what I've given all game.

Suddenly his conviction is ramped up greatly, and all of the points he liked previously and posts that seemed +town gone by the wayside because -maybe- I'm deflecting off Alisae. He isn't confident in your flip to begin with, but he's preflipping and not analyzing my reason for the vote nor shift away.

He saw "I want you flipped" and really did not like the sound of that. My confidence rises.

I'm 1 over my cap, so I'm done for the night.

Town can do this as well.

[Alisae]

I was about to close my eyes but decided to take a final peek in the game...


I don't understand the backtrack on Alisae. She's doing nothing but scumposting in my eyes and I'll give an example:

Alisae spent so much time telling gob that voting was GOOD and made the game move forward, and that he should keep his vote on her to get a wagon going, but Alisae has been calling me scum/suspecting me for awhile now and WHY IS SHE NOT VOTING ME?

She's just slowly faking a progression on me so that she can vote by the end, but not only from what I know of Alisae town play, but also from what she's been telling Gob for pages, she would have voted me ages ago. Especially given I don't think anyone else is voting me.

I can't see why town!Ali would behave like this and if the supposed reason is ever "I'm waiting JJH to tell me who to vote" it just feels like another one of her scum tactics like when she tried to play around LLD.

this guy is mafia btw

[Alisae]

VOTE: shirou

[Alisae]

nah let's just kill shirou this guy is mafia lmao

[Alisae]

I don't understand the backtrack on Alisae. She's doing nothing but scumposting in my eyes and I'll give an example:

Alisae spent so much time telling gob that voting was GOOD and made the game move forward, and that he should keep his vote on her to get a wagon going, but Alisae has been calling me scum/suspecting me for awhile now and WHY IS SHE NOT VOTING ME?

She's just slowly faking a progression on me so that she can vote by the end, but not only from what I know of Alisae town play, but also from what she's been telling Gob for pages, she would have voted me ages ago. Especially given I don't think anyone else is voting me.

I can't see why town!Ali would behave like this and if the supposed reason is ever "I'm waiting JJH to tell me who to vote" it just feels like another one of her scum tactics like when she tried to play around LLD.

this is very unconvincing shirou.

He's forcing himself to be in 1v1 mode and he's practically grasping at straws to try to find anything that is actually wolf indicative with my play because nothing really exists.

[Alisae]

WHEN DID ALISAE EVER PLAY LIKE THIS AS TOWN IN THAT LARGE YOU MODDED?

She was a free spirit voting whoever she fancied. Nothing like here.

you don't know anything about how it is I actually play this game lol

[Alisae]

I think 730 is probably the most town post Shirou has made all game, and I don't even really agree with it. I don't see why that is the kicker for you when Shirou has every reason to just let me/camel play out as mafia.

I'm not going to litigate why Camel saying "oh it's alisae+prism then" in response to me turning sharply aggressive on him is probably the most basic scum reaction in existence. His read is entirely built on the preflip because that was the only thing he could immediately think of.

I don't like going over the cap but I feel some conviction and do not want this to turn into a clownshow.

I disagree.
I think Shirou is presenting his read strength as something that is stronger than what he actually has and I think he's doing it maliciously. Shirou if they feel threatened will try to be louder than me because he cares about how he looks.
I think you can easily think that it's the most basic scum reaction in existence but I also think it's not impossible for town to also react that way when being fos'd. Most villagers when they get fos'd look towards who is sorting them as mafia and try to figure out their alignment based on that. It's easier to figure out who is actually solving and who isn't when you know the person you're talking to has an incorrect read.

[Alisae]

Alisae keeps saying votes are good, calls me scum multiple times, but doesn't vote me until I call her out on not following her own philosophy?

How is that not alignment indicative Fire?

who cares?

[Alisae]

Shirou has no reason to feel threatened on this page.

Prism you don't know Shirou.
Shirou is the kind of person that would try to be louder than a wolf!mastina even tho it's unnecessary to try to be louder than her. He didn't need to be louder than wolf!mastina, the town would likely think that she's suspect anyways. He was anyway because he felt like it was important to look town. I just saw it as noise and it seemed unnecessary.
They care about how they are appeared as, they care about it a lot.
Just because someone is technically not in any danger does not mean that that danger is any less real to them.

and ya talking to me about camel is pointless it's a he says she says argument. I knew this from the start and I engaged w/ it because I don't rly have any reason not to. You think they're mafia I think they're town.

[Alisae]

Why prism?

[Alisae]

std is mafia that's one thing you're wrong about

[Alisae]

VOTE: std

[Alisae]

lazy vote on me

[Alisae]

andres + me I don't think is a team that makes sense so including Andres paired w/ me also feels like a stretch

[Alisae]

I do find the concept of gasping at straws to TR as weird. Why would we need to grasp for TRs right now? I get forming a townblock but no point in forcing one.

semantics

[Alisae]

I do find the concept of gasping at straws to TR as weird. Why would we need to grasp for TRs right now? I get forming a townblock but no point in forcing one.

semantics

Huh? Why this response?

it was the best way I felt at the time at describing that bracket. It wasn't null but the evidence isn't super solidily town. The way I'm describing the bracket doesn't rly matter. I only included that so people could get an idea of what it is I'm thinking at that time. Another way of describing that category would be guttown because it's not rly backed by evidence.

[Alisae]

Hence why I think that's semantics. I don't know what this means for you, your concern isn't alignment indicative and neither is the argument. There are better ways to read you.

[Alisae]

Fire and Snivy I have a bit more confidence in being town than the category below that.

[Alisae]

I don't think I want to vote out Titus right now.
Give her some time to get going. My mind might change depending on what jjh thinks, we can both read Titus fairly well. Maybe 5 irl days passes and this read changes.

If I had to immediately flip someone right now I would probably want to flip std immediately.

[Alisae]

Ali, do you feel anyone scum is FoSing you but not voting you? I believe you said your wagon was mostly town, so where does that leave scum? What are they doing?

{t3, ydrasse, jjh927, gob}
{snivy, fire}
{prism}
{andres, imaginality, Titus}
{Shirou, std}

my suspect pool is std shirou & 1 more.

T3 distinctly does not like me but I think they've had a very townie couple of early pages. I feel pretty good about this TR.
jjh will never vote me. I also think they're town.
Ydra vibes to me as town.
Gob doesn't really come across as mafia.
I don't exactly quite get what Snivy's stance on me is, but I think they're more focused on Prism then they are me.
Fire I don't quite get what they think about me, I think they think I'm town. I thought they could be mafia because of how they hopped onto gob but I sorted it out I heard their top town and eh I just don't rly feel it.
Prism is a realistic option. I don't think Prism has done anything that is distinctively town indicative, I think their vote history is ok from their perspective. I want to say that they're playing this game from a town perspective. But I really don't like their suspect pool of me snivy and gob. Looking at their current readlist, I think this is something that makes sense to have as town but if they're mafia that's also a pretty flexible list of reads to play with. Prism is weird but like I don't see myself realistically voting prism today.
Andres I would like to actually play the game.
Imaginality I would like to actually play the game.
You will be very obvious to read so I can wait for you.
std's vote on me comes across as lazy and I don't think there is any good reason to TR them above any of the players who I actually have townfeels about. Their read on me comes across as mafia motivated.
I think Shirou is just mafia. Their read on me comes across as mafia motivated.

[Alisae]

I don't think I want to vote out Titus right now.
Give her some time to get going. My mind might change depending on what jjh thinks, we can both read Titus fairly well. Maybe 5 irl days passes and this read changes.

If I had to immediately flip someone right now I would probably want to flip std immediately.

When did voting me out come up? That seems out of left field.

a lot of other players wanted to vote out patchwork. I didn't rly want to put a vote down there because that doesn't rly do anything. ik it's something jjh and fire wanted to do

[Alisae]

Honestly I think Shirou std and prism actually makes a lot of sense as a team it's something that's been on the back of my mind.

[Alisae]

This is E-1. Scum should instantly blitz, town should post to say they are not doing so.

It means nothing if those same qualities make you an excellent vote candidate.

I spent much of the morning waiting to see if there would be a point where many of the current voters were offline. This did not happen, and the timezones are now out of sync and make it very unlikely to happen.

I intended to vote and allow scum to either blitz or for non-voting town players to acknowledge the hammer opportunity. I considered this a win-win.

The gap did not happen. This makes the utility of this vote very unlikely. Someone will likely save you, but I will gladly take the chance to simply kill you or have players publicly pass on the hammer while I can.

VOTE: Dragons

Titus here is the votecount the moment this post was made.

Save The Dragons [6]: camelCasedSnivy, Shirou, Ydrasse, jjh927, Alisae, Prism
T3 [2]: imaginality, Firebringer
Prism [1]: Save The Dragons

Not Voting [4]: patchwork, gob, Andresvmb, T3

Thinking about this votecount, that wolf team actually makes a lot of sense, especially if we think a lot of the voters off wagon are town.

[Alisae]

That team doesn't make sense to me unless they felt there was no other option but for StD. Yet somehow the wagon on StD died.

std was the first wagon of the game idunno read the first 11 pages it shouldn't be too much. I honestly don't see why they couldn't go for it? Tho I'm not rly considering how the setup would influence bussing.
Idunno it's a play that I can actually see that team realistically make in that moment.
I wouldn't be able to tell you too much about why std's wagon fell apart, I know a wagon quickly formed back onto gob and gob got 5 votes (I was 1 of them).

[Alisae]

TL;DR: Alisae spent a lot of time ?excessively? lecturing Gob about how town should mechanically use their vote to progress the gamestate, but she was calling me scum for quite awhile and didn't vote me until I pointed this out

who cares

[Alisae]

goldfishes actually have good memories

[Alisae]

Alisae is fine for now. We should best look elsewhere.

can I interest u in save the dragons?

[Alisae]

What does that even mean

I want to vote std out of the game

[Alisae]

Alisae is fine for now. We should best look elsewhere.

can I interest u in save the dragons?

Considering it, they have sort of skated by, but they're generally LHF i guess. it also seems soooooooo unlikely though considering the setup mafia lets them get to E-1. Unless the mafia is the inactives its unlikely.

my theory is that shirou std and prism are all teamed and were bussing while town was inactive.

[Alisae]

Seems to farfetched. What do you think about Andresvmb, JJH, T3 ?

no

[Alisae]

JJH has been really underwhelming so far too

Why is he town again @Firebringer...?

he is town

[Alisae]

I think I have 5 votes on me?

[Alisae]

Alisae [5]: T3, Shirou, Save The Dragons, Prism, camelCasedSnivy
Ydrasse [3]: Andresvmb, imaginality, Titus
patchwork [2]: Firebringer, jjh927
Save The Dragons [2]: Ydrasse, Alisae

Not Voting [1]: gob

[Alisae]

Everyone unvote Alisae.

this guy is not mafia btw

[Alisae]

VOTE: patchwork

you are voting for titus titus replaced patchwork

[Alisae]

Now that you mention it Fire, that Titus vote on Imaginality does feels out of place...

But blegh, I don't know how "damning" it should be

who cares

[Alisae]

stop throwing a tantrum

[Alisae]

why is dragon's so high

[Alisae]

he is my top suspect

[Alisae]

std had the nerve to say that I am "phoning it in"

[Alisae]

I don’t know what to make of Imaginality but my gut says villager.

[Alisae]

Maybe they could be mafia w/ Titus but shrug
None of the guys reads are based on anything that’s alignment indicative

Still would rather flip std

[Alisae]

I think we will all be in a much better position after we break muSTarD's legs and get a scumflip and 5 conftowns

You’re going to have to work for it ig lol

[Alisae]

I don’t know what to make of Imaginality but my gut says villager.

i don’t see it rn

Guy is a weird player.
Does he want to be right or is he twisting logic to suit his needs? That’s probably the key to reading the guy.

[Alisae]

Either way it’s pretty hard to tell.
His gob read is like nuanced but that reasoning isn’t impossible to fake

[Alisae]

I also don’t expect Imaginality to catch onto how pure gob is so like idunno lol

[Alisae]

bro when is this andres guy gonna post frfr

[Alisae]

Wagon anaylsis at this stage of the game at this time of day in this kind of setup localised entirely within your head?

I'll do wagon analysis when I damn well please. This setup is very antibus which gives more to work with.

Can I see it?

rofl

[Alisae]

[Alisae]

woah

[Alisae]

Wagon anaylsis at this stage of the game at this time of day in this kind of setup localised entirely within your head?

I'll do wagon analysis when I damn well please. This setup is very antibus which gives more to work with.

Can I see it?

rofl

I'm glad someone found this funny

jjh this game is on fire!

[Alisae]

bro when is this andres guy gonna post frfr

[Alisae]

Anyone want to carry me for the rest of Day 1?

Work is draining me.

Me and jjh got u

[Alisae]

What if we're in a world where Ali is scum and her partners and ydra and Andres who are just too inactive to try and shake up the gamestate

Go find the swingers dance game hosted by jingle in open queue and read that game

[Alisae]

Jigglypuff monent

[Alisae]

Not posting is the correct choice here

[Alisae]

T3 read the game tell me if that changes ur mind because the games would look identical if the team was me ydra and andres

[Alisae]

If T3 wants to donowall me I am going to be mad as heck

[Alisae]

Titus it's slang for they're ignoring my post

[Alisae]

If T3 wants to donowall me I am going to be mad as heck

Someone's been on twitch for too long

Also I was phoneposting and I'm busy rn

I LITERALLY AM A STREAMER

[Alisae]

I’m VLA until tomorrow unfortunately. I’ll have more time then.

You got time but PLEASE read the game and give it your attention when you can I would really appreciate your takes on the gamestate

[Alisae]

you can find me on kick dot come slash alisae I am a vtuber

[Alisae]

the real game does not begin until 3 days time kekw

[Alisae]

Actually, let's run up Titus after all!

VOTE: Titus

This is a post from scum Titus in 2019:

Cara, how can you not see how obviously scum Garmr is?

This is another post from scum Titus in 2015:

Dwelee how can you not see this is just blatantly saving AJ who can't make a protown post.

This is a post from Titus this game:

Prism, how can you not see Ydrasse's vote on patchwork as the scumclaim it is?

So far as I can town, she has never used this turn of phrase as town. This is the closest town post I can find, and it comes in specific response to "I don't see it?" on a mechanical question.

@Gamma, Why is obviously dodging a lie detector check protown?

Who did it?

Did it?

CommKnight is refusing to let himself be checked by the lie detector or answer what he is getting from that? I see zero useful to town about that.

I don't see it?

How can you not see his blatant refusal to type I am town in a post by itself.

this reminds me of a push Ellibereth did vs mulch a long time ago lmao.

[Alisae]

When Alisae was the main wagon:

1) Ali constantly putting out "content"
2) Game activity EXPLODED

Alisae wagon dismantled:

1) Ali fluffling up
2) Game activity SUNK

I am waiting for andres to post there isn’t anything for me to do.

[Alisae]

Yes Alisae, me and StD, your biggest suspects that supposedly are scum together, had some beef there in the last pages and apparently it wasn't worth a comment on.

No, what you are really focused on is Andre that has been barely here so far. Almost like he is an easy push for the lurk vibe.

I don’t have a read on the player don’t assume bullshit.
I’m not interested in doing anything that’s proactive until people start coming off v/la. If u wanna force something to happen ur probably just mafia

[Alisae]

In fact andres could be town. Waiting for Andres to fully get in the game will also be the correct thing to do.
Their perspective is very unique due to the current gamestate so I am going to wait for it.

[Alisae]

If u wanna force something to happen ur probably just mafia

Wow, trying to actively discuss stuff is apparently scummy!

Sorry, I'll try to be more towny by posting more fluff

that is in fact not what I said.

Their perspective is very unique due to the current gamestate so I am going to wait for it.

How is it unique?

This is a very stupid question.

[Alisae]

I'm giving up a fucking slipped scum. She slipped and I have to accept that you people are too proud to see that but can you at least stop trying to kill each other to vote the slot no one townreads?

what are you talking about

[Alisae]

if you are town my guy your expectations are not in line with reality.
I mean you're likely not but ya know

[Alisae]

titus I wanna hear about teh slip explain it so it makes sense to me

[Alisae]

I will probably still think that the team is shirou std prism unless something egregious happens from andres

[Alisae]

I'm giving up a fucking slipped scum. She slipped and I have to accept that you people are too proud to see that but can you at least stop trying to kill each other to vote the slot no one townreads?

what are you talking about

Ydrasse voted patchwork after I had been subbed in with a prefabricated case. She merely looked at the scum pt and decided to vote my slot out of convenience.

How do we get from sentence A to sentence B.
There are plenty of ways that happens to a townie. I mixed up replacements as villager before.

[Alisae]

I don’t think this is logic that holds up or is even convincing to the table yet even so it not being recognized is makes u double down and be more passionate about it.
But this is just my opinion, u seem to hold ur opinion in high regards so much so that it’s unwavering

[Alisae]

Yeah I actually think Alisae would have me as town here. Forget it, Shirou, let's ride.

I have u in the "I will not vote you" Category this doesn't mean town.
I would like to flip ideally 1 of {std, Shirou} and if 1 of them flipped town I would probably re-evaluate across the board

[Alisae]

Yes. I don't waiver when scum slip.

you also don't waiver when it comes to any setup related opinions either

[Alisae]

gob, you also aren't currently voting imaginality. If you're sympathetic to the cause, you should probably put it on the board.

you know what the current votecount is?

[Alisae]

its a yes or no question

[Alisae]

Im going to go back to consuming one piece

[Alisae]

I find it hard to believe it's Titus right now

[Alisae]

VOTE: Alisae E-2 I think?

you're keeping track of the votecount?

[Alisae]

T3 read the game tell me if that changes ur mind because the games would look identical if the team was me ydra and andres

I fail to see why this matters

I mean if u just don’t care then I can just not townread u anymore

[Alisae]

Fire how many wolf games have u won this year