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I was away, but it doesn't seem like much has changed-
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Because I wanted to day to end???In post 4161, Ydrasse wrote:
i need you to explain to me why you decided to do thatIn post 4159, T3 wrote:
Posts like this make me heavily lean towards scum ydraIn post 4153, Ydrasse wrote: if t3 is town i cannot understand why he called andres town and then hammered even under wanting the day to end. what a horrible play. i wanted the day to end but i wasn’t going to vote because of that-
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I think you're perfectly capable of looking at this from my point of view as town and I think you not doing so is scummy-
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I've made, like, 3 posts todayIn post 4174, imaginality wrote: Just based on today's posts I think it's T3.-
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I am slowly progressing through rereading the game-
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Okay so what if it’s not ydrasseIn post 54, camelCasedSnivy wrote:
noIn post 53, Ydrasse wrote:
Can i have a real answer to this btwIn post 41, camelCasedSnivy wrote:
i think i played with them in open 889 when we got a collective scum victory togetherIn post 39, Ydrasse wrote:
have u ever played w them before?In post 37, camelCasedSnivy wrote: im masons with firebringer and shirou-
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Maybe? Firebringer and camel were interacting very nicely at that point and ydrasse interjecting with a serious and awkward question is pretty townyIn post 4202, Prism wrote: I don't really find that early interaction very indicative. Firebringer had the same or better interactions with camel.-
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I mean it’s definitely a bit of an awkward interaction for scumpartners to have-
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I read through the first 35 pages againIn post 4242, Prism wrote: I was hoping that other players would take more initiative in my absence, but I'm very used to it.-
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I read through another ydra scumgame and again, I'm pretty sure that she's townIn post 207, Ydrasse wrote: hello
i am here
i dont think snivy should be town for efforts but idk. i have wavered on this in my head, where i have been posting instead of this thread.
i feel some kind of way about someone arriving and inserting themselves into the game in a way that is like: "im scum with these people"
and then when asked if he's played w those people before there's deflection
i asked if he had because i think if he just said no i would have given a townread because a wolf would imo be more self conscious in saying stuff like that with strangers
but instead i dont get why theres just another joke its v weird to me
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Same hereIn post 1024, Ydrasse wrote: gob firebringer jjh927
save the dragons andresvmb
prism shirou t3
alisae snivy
titus imaginality
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Haven't lookedIn post 4247, Prism wrote: I'd rather reframe it to ask does anyone else have interactions with flipped scum that are worse than Ydrasse's to you?-
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viewtopic.php?t=90137 in this game (ydra's most recent scumgame that is a normal game with normal mechanics that went in a normal way ie. not swinger's hall) she treats her partners (pooky and skitter) completely differently than she treats Fire and camel this game
For all intents and purposes her partners just don't exist. She gives an early hedge-y read on Pooky but she revises that read a few posts later to say that actually Pooky is town. While this might look similar to how she treated camel in this game, in this game she still gave herself room to push and continue suspecting camel which is not what she did with Pooky - she ignored Pooky for the rest of the game except when directly addressed. This starkly contrasted with her treatment of other slots in similar positions like Dannflor. As for skitter, ydra ignored her the entire game until she faked a PR result on her. When I ctrl-F'ed "skitter" in her ISO I got 11 results, 9 of which were from quotes. Skitter and Pooky are both in the nulltown portion of her readlist for virtually the entire game.
Of course, this starkly contrasts with how ydra treats camel:Spoiler:
ydra also never talks about Firebringer this game but there was never much to talk about wrt to him, and in the end, instead of hedging on him, she's his top townread for most of the game. This is the exact same as how she treats jjh. She never talks about him, never provides reads on him, and eventually has jjh as her 2nd-best townread.
I guess obviously pooky and skitter are obviously much better at scum than camel and probably Firebringer, and the way that ydra engaged with camel could have been intended to get him into the game and not be constant limbait, but again, I really do not think that scum!ydra would go ahead and half-bus camel while also trying to engage with him and find his alignment. Nor do I think that scum!ydra would go ahead and have scum!Firebringer as her top townread with no explanation.-
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I think her likelihood of her being scum in a vacuum is probably a bit less than rand.-
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Also in that scum game ydra was much lower content than she is in this game-
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Again I'm not going to pretend that I have amazing reads and that my reads are entirely logical, they're usually not, and 40% of the time I do deserve to get completely shot down.In post 4247, Prism wrote: I'd prefer to do more than just shoot you down.-
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I don't know if I appropriately evaluated the context of the game in which Pooky and and skitter were in though, like how other players were treating them in the moments that ydra gave nullreads on them.In post 4249, T3 wrote: viewtopic.php?t=90137 in this game (ydra's most recent scumgame that is a normal game with normal mechanics that went in a normal way ie. not swinger's hall) she treats her partners (pooky and skitter) completely differently than she treats Fire and camel this game
For all intents and purposes her partners just don't exist. She gives an early hedge-y read on Pooky but she revises that read a few posts later to say that actually Pooky is town. While this might look similar to how she treated camel in this game, in this game she still gave herself room to push and continue suspecting camel which is not what she did with Pooky - she ignored Pooky for the rest of the game except when directly addressed. This starkly contrasted with her treatment of other slots in similar positions like Dannflor. As for skitter, ydra ignored her the entire game until she faked a PR result on her. When I ctrl-F'ed "skitter" in her ISO I got 11 results, 9 of which were from quotes. Skitter and Pooky are both in the nulltown portion of her readlist for virtually the entire game.
Of course, this starkly contrasts with how ydra treats camel:Spoiler:
ydra also never talks about Firebringer this game but there was never much to talk about wrt to him, and in the end, instead of hedging on him, she's his top townread for most of the game. This is the exact same as how she treats jjh. She never talks about him, never provides reads on him, and eventually has jjh as her 2nd-best townread.
I guess obviously pooky and skitter are obviously much better at scum than camel and probably Firebringer, and the way that ydra engaged with camel could have been intended to get him into the game and not be constant limbait, but again, I really do not think that scum!ydra would go ahead and half-bus camel while also trying to engage with him and find his alignment. Nor do I think that scum!ydra would go ahead and have scum!Firebringer as her top townread with no explanation.-
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Sorry to hear about that. Take all the time away from mafia you need!-
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My choice after ydra would be Prism, but I'd need to read more.In post 4258, jjh927 wrote: T3, if it's not Ydra, then who is it?-
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Man, I should have pushed Firebringer more. In retrospect he wasn't putting in any effort whatsoever compared to Booneytoonz. Whatever.-
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It's PrismIn post 4291, jjh927 wrote:
It's not prism, so who is itIn post 4288, T3 wrote:
My choice after ydra would be Prism, but I'd need to read more.In post 4258, jjh927 wrote: T3, if it's not Ydra, then who is it?-
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It's probably not Prism. idkIn post 4298, T3 wrote:
It's PrismIn post 4291, jjh927 wrote:
It's not prism, so who is itIn post 4288, T3 wrote:
My choice after ydra would be Prism, but I'd need to read more.In post 4258, jjh927 wrote: T3, if it's not Ydra, then who is it?-
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I am interested in finding out and that is why I have read to page 42In post 4304, Prism wrote: Maybe it is. Are you really so uninterested in finding out?-
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I don't know. I'm a lot better at engaging with the gamestate when I'm scum (see the scumgame I linked earlier), when I'm town I just go off and do my own thing to solve which is part of the reason why I'm scumread frequently as town. I think Prism has definitely been providing a lot of passive commentary but I don't think Prism has been all that in-tune with the gamestate.In post 4307, jjh927 wrote: It's more that you 'd have to put in a lot more effort to consciously do things that a town play would do unconsciously in a way that meshes with the gamestate-
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I though so tooIn post 4324, Prism wrote: The extended back and forth with camel starting at post 1935 seems incredibly genuine, like Ydrasse is annoyed that camel is taking Titus off the table. I think this is very town-indicative.-
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I did an imaginality triple ISO, I didn't gain much from it.In post 4325, Prism wrote:@T3)-
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Yeah, I mean, we can agree to disagree to agree. Your analysis of ydra made sense, I'm a bit tired right now but I don't see anything wrong with it.-
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Yeah, probably not. Maybe I'd wait to see what Prism does too.In post 4339, imaginality wrote: scum T3 probably doesn't want to townread Ydrasse today.-
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Town, probably. There's the obvious "why did he try so hard yesterday" aIn post 4343, Prism wrote: What do people generally think of jjh? I'm usually at a "hard no" but I definitely want to interrogate the question, especially since he's a player that was safer from elimination than Fire (I was probably safest followed by him/gob?)maybethat could be explained by him not wanting to be pushed by you?-
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I have stronger reasons to townread everyone elseIn post 4439, jjh927 wrote: Also that would be incorrect
T3, how exactly did you come to your current conclusion-
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But I guess due to what just happened it’s basically between you/imaginality in my mind, and imaginality’s cause has more or less sealed the deal.-
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Yes, I then realized that and said "But I guess due to what's just happened it's between you and imag"In post 4445, jjh927 wrote: Also it literally can't be Prism now if you were paying any attention-
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The first point is probably true. But I don't think that I haven't been putting any thought into it, I have reread most of the game, plus I did my whole scumcase thing on Ydra (which was wrong fwiw)In post 4446, jjh927 wrote: Your reads have kinda felt like "whatever ends the game quickest" very recently, and while that's something you have in common with Imag, you specifically aren't even going through the motions of putting any thought into actually getting the elimination right-
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I thought your play in the Mini Normal was good and I think I also spectated a scumgame of yours a while ago.In post 4443, Prism wrote:
I've been meaning to ask about this. Where does your thinking come from? IIRC you only saw about 2 or 3 real-life days of me playing scum in a Normal, and it was pretty unimpressive and over 2 years ago.In post 4441, T3 wrote: Except for Prism of course.-
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I think I left to do my homework? I don't quite remember.In post 4498, jjh927 wrote: He was very involved in the conversation around getting the hammer and then said nothing in the following 2 minutes-
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Maybe? Shirou had me as a lean town by the end of yesterday and I know that no matter what happens that Prism will reconsider on his reads which doesn't leave me safe in any world. I'd still probably kill Shirou if I was scum but there is a world where scum!me tries to solve with town!Shirou today.In post 4478, jjh927 wrote: I dunno how I was blind to this until now but Shirou kill over Prism makes most sense for scum!T3-
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Nvm I forgot that 'Lazy Shirou' was in the game.In post 4502, T3 wrote: Shirou had me as a lean town by the end of yesterday-
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Oh, joy.In post 4504, Prism wrote: Rereading T3 I'd give the slot a 3 or 4. Oh boy. This'll be fun.-
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HowIn post 4508, Prism wrote: Very bad post
Your quotes of the progression I show between 4032 and 4071 misses this post:In post 4508, Prism wrote: I don't get this one. You instantly went from two scumreads to two others.In post 4062, T3 wrote: tbh reading Shirou's ISO I did see some towny stuff though.-
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Also, iirc in 4032 I arrived at Shirou/imaginality scum by joint-ISO'ing imaginality and Shirou - admittedly I was a bit tunneled on Shirou and I guess I almost 'wanted' him to be scum.In post 4508, Prism wrote: You instantly went from two scumreads to two others.-
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FWIW I've been playing decently as scum recently, save for that Micro Normal in May that I coasted through.In post 4528, gob wrote: If T3 was scum here, then camel and Fire would be setting T3 up to leave first and to get towncred
In Frog Images I was universally townread but lost due to completely incorrect PR reads and deadweight teammates.
In DEFCON I was widely townread, albeit because my reads were incredibly absurd and I struggled to make real content and people saw that as towny. I could have endgamed 25% of the time had my scumpartner not dayvigged me for the lulz.
In Booneytoonz I was universally townread, controlled the entire game from start to finish, led a mislim every day, and reacted to pressure very well.
Booneytoonz was going on at the same time as this game, and I was on the high of playing a very good scumgame and effortlessly making content. I know that I would trust myself to endgame far more than I would trust camel.-
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Dunno. I was being lazy and was lost so I voted Dragons not really out of spite, more out of boredom and antsyness I guess.In post 4578, Prism wrote: I still want T3 to walk me through his vote on Dragons and switch onto jjh.-
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I thought jjh was more likely to be scum than Dragons.In post 4590, Prism wrote: ...And the switch from Dragons to jjh?-
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jjh why did you initially green me out on your table?In post 4557, jjh927 wrote: But essentially, it'd be because Firebringer and T3 were both on the very vocal Shirou's shit list, who also notably said Imag was town right at the end
Imag may have been in less danger than Fire
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Green me out with Firebringer in particular.In post 4598, T3 wrote:
jjh why did you initially green me out on your table?In post 4557, jjh927 wrote: But essentially, it'd be because Firebringer and T3 were both on the very vocal Shirou's shit list, who also notably said Imag was town right at the end
Imag may have been in less danger than Fire
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Why are said interaction with Firebringer currently invalid in your eyes?In post 4600, jjh927 wrote:
Do you really need to ask that question, man who has already brought attention to his interactions with Firebringer in day 3In post 4599, T3 wrote:
Green me out with Firebringer in particular.In post 4598, T3 wrote:
jjh why did you initially green me out on your table?In post 4557, jjh927 wrote: But essentially, it'd be because Firebringer and T3 were both on the very vocal Shirou's shit list, who also notably said Imag was town right at the end
Imag may have been in less danger than Fire
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I have like 25% of the motivation to win when I'm town compared to when I'm scum. I get disappointed when I see a town PM.In post 4597, Prism wrote: I hate that I respect you and your potential enough to think this is plausibly intentional.-
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I wishIn post 4625, Prism wrote: I have such high hopes for T3, and I'd be so proud of him if this is his scumgame.-
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Lol. Honestly, I just need to focus on the game more. I spend random 5 minutes spurts looking at the game before something else catches my attention and throughout the day it adds up to an hour but I never think about the game outside of those 5 minutes spurts, I never actually sit down for an hour and just look at the game.-
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