Open 892 | Nomination Mafia | Postgame

[Aureal]

[Aureal]

VOTE: Black

This game is nightless.

WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT ME THIS TIME, HUH?!?

[Aureal]

It's true, it was frowned upon in our last game, but she was scum and did it anyway!

(and some others too)

[Aureal]

People make YouTube videos of playing Mafia?

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He's obviously trying to get people to rack up gambling debts. That's how the Mafia operates, y'know.

[Aureal]

I really didn't like 48? It felt a bit.... deflection? I don't like skygazers resposne either, both feel a bit try hard.

It's vibes, but it isn't nothing

I'm not getting the same vibes I guess. I like the way sky is engaging with the thread and the only thing I find weird about Aureal so far is that she's not trying to pocket me for once in her life. Though I guess that makes sense considering I completely blindsided her in our last game

Spoiler: actual spoiler for Utena

[Aureal]

Merlyn feels kinda townie here so far

What makes you think that out of curiosity

I quite agree, you can't spell 'Merlyn' without

at least

one letter from the word 'town', after all!

[Aureal]

I want to say something about 120 but I'll let Merlyn cook

Don't be silly, Black, Merlyn is town. You said so yourself.

[Aureal]

Yeah, isn't it great how nothing I've said can be definitively tied to having a position on anything?

[Aureal]

Oh no! Then I shall forthwith commence my operation to pocket Merlyn in earnest by sheeping her VOTE: Skygazer!

[Aureal]

Merlyn has replaced me

I hope she's scum so she can burn you like I did last game. Then maybe you will appreciate what we had and come crawling back to me

Now now, it's okay, it's not your fault that Merlyn is the new Black.

Well, maybe it is.

But still.

[Aureal]

I don't really think this is scum indicative from you but I would like it if you did some stuffs

Incidentally,

is

there anything you

would

consider scum indicative for me, so I can go ahead and do it?

[Aureal]

I don't really think this is scum indicative from you but I would like it if you did some stuffs

Incidentally,

is

there anything you

would

consider scum indicative for me, so I can go ahead and do it?

I was reading over F&I earlier and I didn't get much other than you started that game fast. I don't really think I can meta you though because I feel like now that you've rolled scum recently you'll be more conscious of recreating your town game

What is my town game?

[Aureal]

(also zomg, someone remembered F&I exists?!?)

[Aureal]

What is my town game?

I'm not sure I have a good grasp on what is consistent from game to game with you. You don't seem to be afraid to stick up for people you like/call out people that you don't like. You're kinda goofy yet when it's time to be serious you put on your thinking cap. Sometimes you share your reads and sometimes you keep them close to your chest

Fair enough!

(also zomg, someone remembered F&I exists?!?)

That game still haunts me unfortunately

You and everyone who posted in it who's not named yessiree or Aureal, apparently...

Black's my town read, but black is always my town read....

I don't think you have been wrong about me yet

She's correctly townread you in the past? Can you direct me to some games where she's done this?

[Aureal]

I know this is one. I could have sworn there was at least one more but I can't seem to find it

Thanks, I'm taking a look at it.

I tend to read klicks games for my own amusement, so I've seen you on that a lot..team mafia too

This is in response to the above conversation? You're saying that you've read other games of Black's that you weren't participating in and had regularly townread her there too?

[Aureal]

Kitty, aureal, skygazer is my pool for today I think.

Can you explain what you mean here? What's the rationale for wanting to flip in this pool?

[Aureal]

Kitty, aureal, skygazer is my pool for today I think.

Can you explain what you mean here? What's the rationale for wanting to flip in this pool?

I don't town read them?

So you do townread Merlyn, Black, Roulette, and Khaos? Why?

for example, sky is a thread presence but not moving the game on, khaos isn't contributing etc, but also against that backdrop it would be really easy for even the most basic of 'town posting ' to look good, coming from scum. (This low-key sounds like I'm aiming it at you, but I don't think so rn)

Can you explain what you mean about Sky being a thread presence but not moving the game?

[Aureal]

Lol, I basically only tr black . Honestly I'm trying not to be a dick and just hard gun for khaos and roulette for not engaging properly.

I mean, look at his iso .he's sure posting, but has he said anything for the thread's progress

What makes for "thread progress"? Roulette certainly hasn't been shy about having opinions.

[Aureal]

I'm ok with a Khaos vote tbh

I'm gonna pull a Drew and object to yeeting a lurking newbie day one.

[Aureal]

Roulette cant answer a question with an actual explanation, though.

Funny, 'cause I'm not seeing much explanation in your responses.

[Aureal]

Why you so bothered by my reads? Wanna show me yours?

Why are you so defensive about being asked to explain your shifty positions?

[Aureal]

Your vote pool was composed of people you'd expressed vague suspicion towards. However, that suspicion, in the case of me and Skygazer, seemed to be founded on our flippant responses to suspicion of Roulette. You seemed to take that as trying to subtly defend him. It wouldn't make much sense for that to be suspicious except in the case that we're scum with Roulette.

But you didn't include him in that pool, even though he literally would have to be scum for either of us to have that partnered dynamic.

So I've been trying to figure what's going on with that, and getting nowhere because your answers shift with every response. You're willing to vote those three because you're not townreading them. But you're not townreading anyone but Black.

Roulette and Khaos get a pass because of being weird newbies I guess??

Merlyn gets a pass because ????

Then you go on and shade Roulette with some commentary on not progressing the game which sounds like some vague handwaving shade that could mean about anything and you don't wanna explain what it means.

[Aureal]

Why you so bothered by my reads? Wanna show me yours?

Why are you so defensive about being asked to explain your shifty positions?

What is the purpose of this question? Do you think defensive = scummy?

When I'm getting defensive deflection instead of answers, yeah.

[Aureal]

Why you so bothered by my reads? Wanna show me yours?

Why are you so defensive about being asked to explain your shifty positions?

What is the purpose of this question? Do you think defensive = scummy?

When I'm getting defensive deflection instead of answers, yeah.

She's answering you, you just don't like the depth of the answers

Maybe you can explain what she means with the "thread progress" statement then, because I can't find that answer? The closest I see is accusing him of not giving good enough explanation for his assertions. But if that's supposed to be the answer, I stand by my assessment that it's a meaningless statement that just serves to cast shade.

[Aureal]

Told who what?

[Aureal]

Why is everyone ignoring me?

[Aureal]

Why is everyone ignoring me?

I can't answer 235 so I'm just going to let Bella do it

You feel so tense compared to how you started the game. I'm not sure how to read that from you but my gut tells me it's probably coming from a frustrated townie thought process. I just don't understand why you would be this frustrated and why you think everyone is ignoring you

You're acting like you don't think my question in 218 was reasonable/had an obvious answer.

Also, no, I said skygazer wasn't progressing and roulette was struggling to explain their answers, so maybe aureal misunderstood and then got mad I wasn't answering the wrong question;)

Well that's just not true; you've accused all of Sky, Khaos, and Roulette of what sounds like basically the same thing, in 201 and 215. I don't think it's at all fair to lump Roulette into whatever this "not progressing" thing is. There's no way your response to 218 was about Skygazer, we were clearly talking about Roulette there. If you're gonna insist that you were talking about her instead of Roulette, then you sidestepped my question to talk about someone else. Then accused me of being aggressive.

[Aureal]

? I'm really confused.

I don't disagree with the first sentence, I do with the second and the third one is just wrong, sorry. Fourth, I am clearly talking about everyone?

"We were clearly talking about Roulette" in 218 and your 219 response is 'just wrong'????

Lol, I basically only tr black . Honestly I'm trying not to be a dick and just hard gun for khaos and roulette for not engaging properly.

I mean, look at his iso .he's sure posting, but has he said anything for the thread's progress

What makes for "thread progress"?

Roulette

certainly hasn't been shy about having opinions.

Roulette

cant answer a question with an actual explanation, though.

What????

[Aureal]

You're acting like you don't think my question in 218 was reasonable/had an obvious answer.

Not really. I just think there are some players like bella that don't always answer everything when there are lots of questions being thrown at them and I don't really find that scummy

Lots of questions? What lots of questions? Are other people pelting her with questions that I haven't noticed? I asked one thing and got shade and dancing around instead of an answer.

If it's not an unreasonable question and you can't explain the answer to me that seems to indicate you don't understand the answer either. So I don't understand why your response was to talk down to me about how I just didn't like the answer. You were grumbling a few days ago about me not saying anything and now that I am, you seem taken aback and incredulous.

Can you finally answer her question about your reads? Why is it ok for you to ignore questions but when she does it it's aggravating to you?

I'm not very inclined to respond to scummy deflections other than by pressing my question. For that matter, I challenge Bella's assertion that she has given her reads. All I've feel I've gotten from her is that you're town and she's "not townreading" the rest of us. And I don't even know why she thinks you're town.

[Aureal]

Also why haven't you voted for bella yet? This progression implies you think she could be scum but you're still voting skygazer for some reason

You want me to vanity wagon with like 24 hours left until deadline? I haven't seen any signs that a Bella vote would be anything other than that right now.

[Aureal]

Pfft fine, I'll stop trying

VOTE: Organized Khaos

[Aureal]

Mm, a scumBlack probably doesn't respond to my frustration with a scumread, let alone such a sloppy one. Unless I've just tipped the vote over onto her partner and she needs to try to swing it back to Kitty, anyway. Or is just hard-covering for partner Bella because that team could pretty much just ride roughshod over this player list.

Hey, aureal, let's not give up? I think we might agree more than you think: in really struggling for concrete reads in this mess, the depth of my answers is like....the depth of my read. I don't have more to give you because we are working with not much.

I think roulette might be town?

Le sigh

This feels pretty disingenuous after accusing me of being aggressive for asking a question about what you meant.

Why did you townread Black so early?

[Aureal]

Unless I've just tipped the vote over onto her partner and she needs to try to swing it back to Kitty, anyway

It should be obvious I wrote that post without seeing your Khaos vote. This doesn't feel like a real thought

You could just call my attention to the timestamps, you know

Yeah you probably didn't write several paragraphs in under a minute in response. Even so, I still think you'd more likely balk at going ahead and posting all that right away if you're scum seeing my new post in the preview edit.

[Aureal]

I thought you seemed annoyed and a bit down and if you were town I wanted to get on the same page as you.

I've explained the black thing a lot: at this point I'm going to town read /any/. engagement. if she is scum tho, you are making this easy for her

But you've been townreading Black since early on. Merlyn and Skygazer were also fairly engaged to start off, they've just dropped off a cliff since. You didn't start off by townreading Black's engagement in the game she linked, you started off scumreading her. What have you learned about her since then?

[Aureal]

I thought you seemed annoyed and a bit down and if you were town I wanted to get on the same page as you.

I've explained the black thing a lot: at this point I'm going to town read /any/. engagement. if she is scum tho, you are making this easy for her

But you've been townreading Black since early on. Merlyn and Skygazer were also fairly engaged to start off, they've just dropped off a cliff since. You didn't start off by townreading Black's engagement in the game she linked, you started off scumreading her. What have you learned about her since then?

Also how the heck am

I

making this easy for a potential scumBlack?! I've probed her opinions and evaluated whether they seem more likely to come from her as town or scum. You just issued a cursory townread based on engagement. Before it was even clear she was going to be on a different tier in that respect. There are things that may be alignment indicative for her, but I don't think engagement is much of one.

[Aureal]

@ sky I'm not trying to be a dick..can you read maybe khaos and aureal and give me any thoughts?

khaos is like a maybe. not super sold but i'm not eager to get rid of any of you amazing people quite yet (does flattery work? hope so).

I didn't want Khaos until that last post of his. Quiet, confused town might well say they're okay being flipped because they can't get into things. But "I told you so" is a totally different mindset. This is quite likely lurkscum trying to guilt-trip people out of voting him.

i could maybe go kitty because i thought him writing off roulette as newbtown felt kinda tmi.

Doesn't seem that way to me at all. I totally agree with the sentiment.

[Aureal]

165

[Aureal]

Lol, thought I'd caught you both out with a scum slip, I just can't read!

Huh, well that thought's not likely to come from scum.

I'm not liking everything I do, even the blandest of things, being an issue for you. It's super disheartening

Sorry.

You kind of just wrote Roulette off as newbtown with vague reasoning. A lot of your townreads have vague reasoning, in fact, and you seem hesitant to actually push anyone which I think is often a scum trait. I don't really see what there is to townread about Khaos for instance, so your 303 feels like posturing for what you might *know* is a town flip if you're scum. Makes me feel like you want to look like you're solving but I'm not really seeing any evidence of the solving, just the (mostly) unreasoned conclusions. You seemed fine with just letting things lie without contributing much until the heat was on you when I flipped my vote. I'm not *that* confident you flip scum here (I am wary of the fact that I have miseliminated you multiple times) but I feel like in this game your posting is better explained from a scum-motivated standpoint than a town-motivated standpoint. And as much as I don't want to day one you, unfortunately you're my best guess at the moment (sorry if I'm wrong).

You've played with Kitty before but still aren't wary of him being wrongly accused of TMI because of the way he simply states his view? What do you think of Khaos's shift from "I don't mind getting voted out" to "you'll see that I told you so" to "can I do something to save myself?"

[Aureal]

hmmm cant say i remember why ive seen kitty get miseliminated in the past. i am wary i suppose.

i'll think about switching back to khaos

I'm thinking of stuff like this from my last game with him.

[Aureal]

Khaos is mafia.

Black is floating a theory that Roulette and Kitty might be the scum partners in the game. She has some reasoning for that which she explains in her posts. I'm trying to see what you think of it- do you think it's a good or bad theory, do you agree with it or disagree and what do think of Black for suggesting it.

Or if you want to talk about something else too.

It sounds like a good theory based on what I've seen so far this game. I think Black is town.

Khaos I'm not sure what you don't understand here. Roulette wants to know the specifics behind your townread. Right now it seems a little baseless

Because it is just vibes, I don't have evidence. I'm not good at evidence except for sometimes when I am.

This explanation means that he used many words that are not necessary to say his town read of Black. This means he is self-conscious of how he is perceived.

When I flip, I want you to imagine me saying, "I told you so."

I'll vote Khaos if anyone can find any singular example of newbscum making this post

Do you even understand what he means there? He didn't care to respond to me asking, just went silent. It sure sounds like a thing someone would say when they have been fighting against being miseliminated. That is exactly what Khaos was NOT doing. He literally said he was okay being voted out because he wasn't into the game. Am I really the only one who thinks you shouldn't freaking say that if you don't mean it? I didn't want to go after him when he said that because I've seen town with that attitude, but going from that into this posture where apparently now he does want to stay in the game is mega sus. Black literally did something like this in our last game when she was under pressure, saying she's okay going first to look like she's town because she didn't care about getting voted out. This is just that but way clumsier.

[Aureal]

people giving roulette the newbcard pass but not khaos are mega sus

They're not anything alike. Roulette has opinions, opinions which are not at all easily come by. Khaos has what... a Black townread? Like everyone else?

[Aureal]

1 scum within Bella and Aureal.

Y?

^Seconded. Why can't we just be TvT like I now figure is most likely?

[Aureal]

Why's Khaos likely town?

And surely you're not calling Bella and I semi-lurky?

[Aureal]

Ugh, Kitty was pretty null but going after someone voting the counter wagon makes him more likely town.

VOTE: KittyTacky

[Aureal]

Why's Khaos likely town?

And surely you're not calling Bella and I semi-lurky?

Do you think total newbscum is self-conscious enough to act like this?

I really have no idea what you mean here. Being "self-conscious" is usually thought of as scummy, not towny. I feel like you guys are actually making a "too scummy to be scum" argument on Khaos.

Also maybe lurky wasn't the right word. You seem to be pretty generically agreeable aside from this current engagement which I don't think is scummy by itself but imo is when there are 2 wagons on town. You're happy with Khaos death and push them without much backing.

And this, I just have no words for. Are we even reading the same game?

[Aureal]

1 scum within Bella and Aureal.

I have basically the same solve as kittytacky atm

VOTE: Aureal

I think I'd rather do this over Bellaphant, just cause I've seen scum Bella and this doesn't look the same. scum-Bella looks really pro-town lmfao

I said that since both wagons are likely town FMPOV, scum is likely in the somewhat semi-lurky people.

This is confusing? I can't work out whether either molla or kitty actually scum read me, which feels...a weird thing not to know

I am also confused with where these reads come from. Well, Kitty I can somewhat understand as scumreading Black for being on his wagon I guess? Kinda odd for BB to just agree with all that though, without explaining any thought process. Like, uh, Kitty is thinking the scum are within Aureal/Bella and Black/Roulette... says scum are likely in the semi-lurky people... and BB is just "yeah I agree"? Uh... maybe "semi-lurky" is in contrast to "totally lurky" there, otherwise huh?

[Aureal]

I do not understand why Aureal was frustrated, she may be mafia for it.

Bud, I was expecting responses from like four different people and not getting any. And one of them was my Team Mafia buddy, who was injecting herself into my Bella conversation in a way that was making me nervous that she'd been cold enough to roll scum without me again, even though I'd just decided she was more likely to be town here.

[Aureal]

i do too

Wanna explain anything about your read there?

Also please don't bring personal info on me into public spaces, I'm old and keep firm silos on how much information about myself I give out.

[Aureal]

Khaos will be useless constant. Aureal may speak more and we will understand her alignment.

Don’t like this post at all

Why's that? Don't think Khaos is going to be useless?

[Aureal]

such a low energy ending to the day idk what to make of it

uh huh sure

[Aureal]

wut

[Aureal]

did Merlyn somehow sneak back into this game because that kind of brain-hurty decision is totally something she would do

[Aureal]

Someone wanna talk to me about why they townread Sky? I sure as hell don't, my read on her fluctuated some over the day but she never cracked null. I think her slot has gotten the least attention and could have been pretty townread or pretty scumread so its volatility sure makes it interesting that she's here in this group now.

[Aureal]

or maybe i'm just trying to get nominated

it worked!

What do you mean by this?

What were people thinking is the most likely way for scum to arrange the nominations? I figured it was most likely that scum would take the safe route and put the strongest townies in, making it replace their nightkill. Clearly this is not what happened.

[Aureal]

Nah, I'm low-key sure molla is scum

why

I woulda put myself in, this is boring

VOTE: Aureal

I think if you're scum then it would have made sense to put yourself in since you and your predecessor were so widely townread but this WIFOM isn't very convincing to me

When did BB become widely townread? The slot was empty most of the day. I had a bit of a townread on Merlyn for her lightheadedness but BB has done a great job trashing that.

[Aureal]

Someone wanna talk to me about why they townread Sky? I sure as hell don't, my read on her fluctuated some over the day but she never cracked null. I think her slot has gotten the least attention and could have been pretty townread or pretty scumread so its volatility sure makes it interesting that she's here in this group now.

This is scum

Are you ever gonna contribute a read that isn't just pointing at someone and declaring that they just are/aren't scum? This sure as hell doesn't give me any confidence that your Khaos townread is any good.

[Aureal]

mostly just a joke that i did in fact get nominated. but i'm good at talking myself out of things and know it, so it seemed optimal in my mind to play kinda absently day one, just so scum might feel safer nominating themselves against me.

So you don't think scum would try to get a townread townie flipped here?

i can't say i'm sure she flips scum, but an aureal elimination sits better with me than a khaos elimination

Why? What changed about your Khaos thoughts when you decided to come after me instead?

Aureal what is your read on Khaos?

Still the scummiest player here, an obvious priority elimination, and it's driving me crazy that people want to push back so much on that.

[Aureal]

When did BB become widely townread? The slot was empty most of the day. I had a bit of a townread on Merlyn for her lightheadedness but BB has done a great job trashing that.

I don't think anyone scumread Merlyn and the only negative read I'm finding on molla is Bella's comment about how she's seen him as charismatic scum before. Correct me if I'm wrong

Being townread is not the same thing as not being scumread. Merlyn got a bit of townreads going on her, but it was early and didn't seem to be based on anything terribly solid. BB came in late and I think people were more concerned with the active wagons than trying to read him.

[Aureal]

It doesn't make sense for scum not to put one of me/Merlyn in the pool since I don't think anyone scumread us? I could be wrong about that, I still need to look over the weekend pages in more detail

I'm town so that probably means molla is just scum here

Also where does this thought come from? If we operate from the thought that scum wants to nominate the most townread townspeople sure, and Bella is also a good candidate there. This is clearly not the world we live in. I don't think it'd make a lot of sense for them to put just townBlack in with people who are getting more scumread- that's just narrowing the pool further.

[Aureal]

Still the scummiest player here, an obvious priority elimination, and it's driving me crazy that people want to push back so much on that.

So you scumread both Khaos and sky? Where did these scumreads come from? It feels like you waited until after they were nominated to express these reads and that feels more like a survivalist thought process than you actually trying to solve the game

Wouldn't it make more sense for at least one of them to be town? Unless you think Mafia nominated both of themselves which I don't understand why they would do that

Are you kidding me???

Black, get your head in the game here please

My vote was on those two for most of day one. I nearly became the day one miselimination

because

I was seriously pushing Khaos and so people decided to wagon me instead. What happened to

your

scumread of Khaos?

And I don't even know where the last line comes from, I hadn't even mentioned my tinfoil theory that it

is

exactly Sky/Khaos yet. Why would you assume I was thinking that it's both rather than one or the other?

[Aureal]

my khaos scumread kind of died down (you may remember that i had voted kitty and then you over khaos towards the end of yesterday) because a lot of it was vibe and i started to like khaos' posting. i also think you're more likely to put yourself up than khaos. and based on just how everyone reacted to the nominations, i feel like khaos has approached today more naturally than you so far. who knows though, maybe all three of us are town. i think given the picks that's also a possibility.

??????

Khaos hasn't even posted today.

I'm approaching today less naturally than someone who hasn't even posted?

this is why sometimes I just really don't feel like trying ._.

[Aureal]

My vote was on those two for most of day one. I nearly became the day one miselimination because I was seriously pushing Khaos and so people decided to wagon me instead. What happened to your scumread of Khaos?

What? Your vote on sky didn't seem serious. You sheeped Merlyn's first post of the game in a very joking manner. And then you defended Khaos by saying you weren't going to vote a lurking new player D1. You only voted him after you got exasperated and seemed like you were giving up

Can you look at your iso and honestly tell me that your scumreads on the two were obvious?

Okay.

Spoiler: YES BLACK I DO THINK MY KHAOS SCUMREAD IS OBVIOUS

@ sky I'm not trying to be a dick..can you read maybe khaos and aureal and give me any thoughts?

khaos is like a maybe. not super sold but i'm not eager to get rid of any of you amazing people quite yet (does flattery work? hope so).

I didn't want Khaos until that last post of his. Quiet, confused town might well say they're okay being flipped because they can't get into things. But "I told you so" is a totally different mindset. This is quite likely lurkscum trying to guilt-trip people out of voting him.

i could maybe go kitty because i thought him writing off roulette as newbtown felt kinda tmi.

Doesn't seem that way to me at all. I totally agree with the sentiment.

Khaos is mafia.

Black is floating a theory that Roulette and Kitty might be the scum partners in the game. She has some reasoning for that which she explains in her posts. I'm trying to see what you think of it- do you think it's a good or bad theory, do you agree with it or disagree and what do think of Black for suggesting it.

Or if you want to talk about something else too.

It sounds like a good theory based on what I've seen so far this game. I think Black is town.

Khaos I'm not sure what you don't understand here. Roulette wants to know the specifics behind your townread. Right now it seems a little baseless

Because it is just vibes, I don't have evidence. I'm not good at evidence except for sometimes when I am.

This explanation means that he used many words that are not necessary to say his town read of Black. This means he is self-conscious of how he is perceived.

When I flip, I want you to imagine me saying, "I told you so."

I'll vote Khaos if anyone can find any singular example of newbscum making this post

Do you even understand what he means there? He didn't care to respond to me asking, just went silent. It sure sounds like a thing someone would say when they have been fighting against being miseliminated. That is exactly what Khaos was NOT doing. He literally said he was okay being voted out because he wasn't into the game. Am I really the only one who thinks you shouldn't freaking say that if you don't mean it? I didn't want to go after him when he said that because I've seen town with that attitude, but going from that into this posture where apparently now he does want to stay in the game is mega sus. Black literally did something like this in our last game when she was under pressure, saying she's okay going first to look like she's town because she didn't care about getting voted out. This is just that but way clumsier.

people giving roulette the newbcard pass but not khaos are mega sus

They're not anything alike. Roulette has opinions, opinions which are not at all easily come by. Khaos has what... a Black townread? Like everyone else?

Why's Khaos likely town?

And surely you're not calling Bella and I semi-lurky?

Why's Khaos likely town?

And surely you're not calling Bella and I semi-lurky?

Do you think total newbscum is self-conscious enough to act like this?

I really have no idea what you mean here. Being "self-conscious" is usually thought of as scummy, not towny. I feel like you guys are actually making a "too scummy to be scum" argument on Khaos.

Also maybe lurky wasn't the right word. You seem to be pretty generically agreeable aside from this current engagement which I don't think is scummy by itself but imo is when there are 2 wagons on town. You're happy with Khaos death and push them without much backing.

And this, I just have no words for. Are we even reading the same game?

I don't expect you to know what was with my Skygazer vote but I damn well was making myself clear on Khaos. I got frustrated with the conversation you and Bella and I were trying to have, realizing it wasn't worth it, and moved my vote to him because his disjointed attitude was really scummy and he didn't respond to my asking what he meant, in case there was some way to take that "I told you so" statement other than how it looked to me.

I don't really get how you can think that I would be scum here if you think my scumreads on the other two selected people here are coming out of nowhere. If I was scum, I'd be planning this crap out beforehand - I would know that this was coming and be preparing for it.

And I don't even know where the last line comes from, I hadn't even mentioned my tinfoil theory that it is exactly Sky/Khaos yet. Why would you assume I was thinking that it's both rather than one or the other?

Because you said today that you think they are both scum. Or at least you said that about Khaos. You questioned why people are townreading sky which made me think you scumread her. What am I missing here?

How does having scumreads on two people mean I must think they are exactly the scum team though? I'm scumreading BB too- I feel pretty good about my PoE of those three.

[Aureal]

FTR, I was voting Sky early on partly as part of my joke, but also because I also think that she can be expected to be not too engaged on day one, but she had started off by actually doing a fair bit and I raised an eyebrow a bit. Then she faded out for a while and so did the read, but then at the end of the day she reappeared and I found her positions to be concerning, so I became more concerned again. She was definitely a part of pushing wagons away from sussy Khaos onto town, and I still don't understand why even though I've asked.

VOTE: Organized Khaos

[Aureal]

Is Khaos a slot that can endgame with the way he's (not) playing? Putting him in is exactly the kind of hail Mary play the slot needs, getting people to think exactly that.

[Aureal]

okay i think roulette is town

Why is his aggression suddenly a town indicator to you?

Molla is scum but I may not vote him. Agh.

Not until the next day!

[Aureal]

And how are each of these slots perceived? Did they nom 3 townies to force a mislim?

That's what I'm thinking. Aureal is probably the most likely scum in the group if there is one

I was willing to fade your slot but you're already doing more than your predecessor

Would appreciate if you could elaborate on your reasoning, I still can't track your read reasoning on either of our slots.

Hm, why would mafia put up their own aureal in that scenario... kinda weird.

VOTE: Skygazer

I can understand the WIFOM aspect of it though, but it seems to good to be true.

Error: vote reasoning not found, please re-enter

[Aureal]

Why would I give a reasoning here? It seems pretty simple, I can only vote myself, you or Skygazer. I feel how things went you aren't scum, therefore I vote Skygazer. I also havent really liked a lot of Skygazer's posts since they seem appealy.

Well it's not simple if you don't say anything, and if you're actually town still nobody is going to be persuaded to see things your way if you don't explain your view. What exactly do you mean by "how things went" meaning I'm not scum?

[Aureal]

Would appreciate if you could elaborate on your reasoning, I still can't track your read reasoning on either of our slots.

It's not really a strong read but I just think your play this game has been more defensive than I'm used to. It reminds me a little of F&I where you got into arguments with python and osuka after they showed some suspicion towards you. It seems like you often keep your cool when you're town. Out of the 3 nominations you're the one I'm the most uncertain on

Uh, I was partnered with Python and they were the one who got into the big argument with osuka? Python and I dug into each other a good bit because it seemed a pretty natural continuation of the way we'd gone after each other in our previous game (surely you remember your first game?)

Also you're just totally off base there, I do have a temper and it definitely comes out at times. I'm surprised you haven't noticed it yet but I guess maybe you don't pick up on it as much when it's not directed at you, and this game is the closest it's come to that (I'm probably a little grumpy because you've been needling me with comments like "I'm surprised you haven't been prodded yet" and then when I respond by doing stuff saying I'm doing it in bad faith). And I'm pretty sure that not keeping my cool is actually town indicative for me, although I've not nearly reached that height of Righteous Outrage this game.

I still want to hear more about your confidence that Khaos/gob is town. You've been surprisingly willing to vote out the slot given what seems to be a high level of confidence. When did that confidencce happen and why?

[Aureal]

Opening weekend so I’m a bit busy, have next two days off.

BBMolla

is still open wolfing, idk what to say

Fixed that for ya.

gob is confusing me. VOTE: Skygazer

We're all VTs or Mafia and there's no night phase, bud. I got run up opposite Kitty instead of your slot because... some people thought your slot is town and hated that I was pushing it?

[Aureal]

Claimed... What? @_@

[Aureal]

Why your slot gotta try to make my brain melt?

[Aureal]

I don't think all three of us are town unless we're in a crazy world like Bella/Black. But I really don't think we are.

[Aureal]

Since when is gob town?

As much as I want to say gob is mafia, the only mafia I may see in the group is Skygazer as she has not much danger of being hunged.

this jump is out of nowhere and happened 1) when gob wagon died down and 2) at a point where i'm tied with aureal

aureal/roulette team?

So, uh, what exactly do you mean by "gob wagon died down" because that seems to me to be something that Roulette and I

caused

, not something we're reacting to.

[Aureal]

Well I don't think that's a very accurate assessment. I don't think I've been at much risk at all since gob came in and decided he didn't want to vote me. Neither he nor Bella seem inclined to vote me, so you would've needed Black to decide to be the third vote on me before someone else placed a third vote elsewhere. And I don't think it's at all clear what Black is going to do.

Roulette ended the day on Aureal yesterday and proceeded to ignore that read entirely today. Also Roulette's vote on Aureal happened in a way that didn't put Aureal in any real danger, considering Kitty was set to be the elimination. Roulette's Aureal interactions are pretty sparse as well. Gonna look at Aureal's iso now

Also, lol wut. I wasn't in any real danger, when all it would've taken was one person on Kitty shifting their vote for me to be voted out??? But you also think that

you

were in danger there with a grand total of zero votes on you?

[Aureal]

Do you have anything to contribute to this game?

[Aureal]

ufh aureal how do you have no recent scumgames i can find

BECAUSE I'M CURSED

OVER 20 TOWN GAMES THIS YEAR AND THE ONE SCUM PM I GET IS FRIGGING MULTIBALL SO NOT REALLY EVEN A SCUM GAME

[Aureal]

Well thanks for acknowledging that you contribute nothing.

[Aureal]

Frankly, if you actually thought that, you should be explaining to people WHY you think that. But no, you're just sitting there going RARGH VOTE AUREAL RAAAAARGH and ignoring the people trying to interact with you. It's pretty sad. I guess if Skygazer flips scum here that makes you less likely to be her partner, since by giving a damn you likely could've steered things onto me instead. Maybe it just makes you too committed to the Apathetic Aureal-pusher persona though, since Sky didn't seem to be in danger most of the day.

I guess I should elaborate on my reads just in case things go sideways while I'm asleep or something.

Bella: HARD TOWN. Mafia do

not

think that maybe some townie accidentally referenced their Mafia PT, and it'd be ridiculously creative for her to think to fake that as a thing to mention.

Roulette: Town. A new player rolling Mafia is not very likely to take the positions he was taking early on, stirring up dissension with sternly worded off-beat ideas rather than something less likely to get heat. Same sort of read that I had on SzmarzLeek in the last Newbie game I played, newscum just not gonna act that way. I am a little bit weirded out by him also moving to vote Skygazer with me, but it's also hard to criticize someone for doing the same thing you did. >.>

Black: Townlean. My read on her fluctuates a lot, but has stayed mostly on the town side. She felt a little stiff in her opening banter, but after I engaged in conversation with her, probing into her thoughts on my meta, I decided she was more likely to react the way she did as town. Her answers made no sense with respect to what she'd said- I walked her right into admitting that her comment about my behavior not being scum indicative was meaningless because all she could say about it was that when it's time to be serious I put my thinking cap on (which would be irrelevant at that point into the game). If she were scum, I think she would be more defensive about responding to me when I pried into that read and have a better answer rather than basically just go "yeah idrk". She's pinged me in both directions since then, so my read is still less confident than my other two townreads.

BBMolla/Merlyn: Scumlean. dafuq is this guy doing? Literally hasn't done anything other than come in here and scream that Khaos is town and I'm scum without any reasoning. Ugh. I hope he doesn't expect to be readable like this.

gob/Khaos: Scumlean: Khaos might've been a Mafia-playing bot for all I can tell at this point, just regurgitating crappy phrases designed to guilt people out of voting him regardless of context. It's a little hard to see why gob would come into the slot and decide he doesn't want to vote me, the counterwagon, if he's scum though. His reasoning was even decent, though I had to poke at him a bit to get it.

Skygazer: Scumlean. I don't believe scum put this group of people into the pool today if we're all town, and Skygazer is the one who seemed least at risk, a nice position for a Mafia player hoping for towncred by being here. Her trajectory on me has been essentially unexplained, obviously I don't appreciate her contribution to the "yeet Aureal because I said so" club. Her appearances seem agenda-oriented, with her popping up just to push a PoV at crucial moments. With gob turning into more of a ?? read, she became my new top suspect.

[Aureal]

Skygazer: I don't really know what you mean by "self serving and not solving" as I certainly have been solving, and I don't know why "self-serving" is apparently supposed to come from scum. The only person I 100% know is town is me, I'm not going to just let myself get voted out if I can do something about it.

gob: ?????
What are these cards? Do they represent something? What are we play, blackjack? Do I have other cards? Why are you bringing this up to us now?

[Aureal]

It's too late to flashwagon gob, isn't it? The slot has the least solve engery of the three.

I might be down for it, if he doesn't explain what's with the cards thing.

[Aureal]

Actually Bella, you should definitely vote gob if that's what you want, and see who comes for it. No harm done whatever the case, right?

[Aureal]

It's too late to flashwagon gob, isn't it? The slot has the least solve engery of the three.

I might be down for it, if he doesn't explain what's with the cards thing.

It is a mindread type thing. You never answered btw.

Well yeah, you never answered

my

questions. Or even the most crucial one.

Actually Bella, you should definitely vote gob if that's what you want, and see who comes for it. No harm done whatever the case, right?

It's for science!

[Aureal]

i think after today roulette -> aureal -> molla probably wins the game

You're gonna have to sell me on Roulette.

You can always ask again. No reason to be hard to work with.

You can always look at the last page again. No reason to be hard to work with.



Seriously, why ask (just) me and Skygazer now? One of us will be gone in a few hours. If you thought that was a useful exercise in sorting us, why not do it before taking a position on the wagons? Why not ask everyone? It's rather like you're looking for an excuse to change your vote. "Oh no, you gave the Wrong Answer to my meaningless question, guess you're Mafia after all."

[Aureal]

Gosh, I was right about gob looking for a reason to vote me instead. What a surprise.

I really think there's a good chance it's both of these two, you guys. Skygazer is devious enough to do that. Don't freaking clear either of them when one flips scum on the basis of "scum wouldn't put BOTH members in the day two pool" mmkay?

At least BB will have to actually freaking play now, unless Bella is paying attention in these last few minutes to VOTE: gob with me.

[Aureal]

Or I guess Bella wouldn't even matter because they're messing around with the vote count enough on this page, w/e

[Aureal]

Remember, these two are Not Both Town. There's zero freaking reason for scum to put three scumread town in the pool. I expected to see Bella and Black in it, and was dreading the thought of being in it with them because I didn't want to have to vote either.

I'm not keen on the way Black has been going silent like she has today, it's too reminiscent of our last game, but the other three are still top scumreads. Find the scum in them, then figure out if she makes more sense as a partner.

[Aureal]

I'm still gonna consider myself invincible during mid-game apart from when mechanical reasons butt in to get me voted out.

[Aureal]

Of course I am. I'm cursed, I tell you.

[Aureal]

Hooooly crap guys I'm not even reading all this shit

You both need to go take a long walk and remember this is a game with actual people on the other side.

Emotions can easily run raw at the game end and I don't think it was hard to tell that gob was not going to take teasing well here, Black. Say that stuff about being swindled to me and I'll probably banter back, but you don't have that kind of rapport with him. Giving someone in distress some space rather than jumping to twist the knife is just the decent thing to do, even if they don't immediately have the capacity to express anything but bitterness.