Open 891: STDBINSBICACOT (Game Over)

Black · Post Post #17 (isolation #0) » Mon Oct 30, 2023 8:15 am

VOTE: Dannflor

Black · Post Post #18 (isolation #1) » Mon Oct 30, 2023 8:16 am

This game got serious quickly but I guess that makes sense considering there's lots of setup spec in this type of game

This is going to be really mech heavy isn't it

Black · Post Post #21 (isolation #2) » Mon Oct 30, 2023 8:18 am

I'm not sure I see the scumminess in Dunn's entrance. Maybe a doing to much type thing but that's it

Black · Post Post #26 (isolation #3) » Mon Oct 30, 2023 8:24 am

In post 19, pisskop wrote:
In post 16, Dunnstral wrote: And why is that?
well for one it implies that Im just a VT

Why would this make you super not stoked about what he's saying and then why does that lead to a vote?

Black · Post Post #29 (isolation #4) » Mon Oct 30, 2023 8:26 am

Like I'm not sure why someone implying you are a VT would aggravate you like that

Black · Post Post #34 (isolation #5) » Mon Oct 30, 2023 8:47 am

VOTE: pisskop

I think if this flips red then SS could be partnered

Black · Post Post #36 (isolation #6) » Mon Oct 30, 2023 8:53 am

I don't really like how SS showed up and didn't say anything about pisskop and the conversation going on with him. 33 sorta feels on-the-fence regarding Dunn's motives which isn't really scummy by itself but in this situation it feels like he might be trying to get ahead of the pisskop wagon and pre-emptively alleviate some pressure there

Black · Post Post #39 (isolation #7) » Mon Oct 30, 2023 8:56 am

Obviously this is just a gut feeling based on another gut feeling so I don't have much confidence in it atm

Black · Post Post #40 (isolation #8) » Mon Oct 30, 2023 8:57 am

In post 38, pisskop wrote: And furthermore, they call to meta. Which is more interesting than any defense you feel might be happening.

Wdym?

Black · Post Post #44 (isolation #9) » Mon Oct 30, 2023 9:05 am

No, but I guess I just thought you should have some opinions on his reactions and his vote on Dunn

Black · Post Post #47 (isolation #10) » Mon Oct 30, 2023 9:07 am

Dann feels townie based simply on the fact that he has played two games with me very recently, one where I was scum and one where I was town, and I think he's the type of player to be able to read me well, even early on. Saying I feel townie could be like a psuedo-pockety thing but I want to believe he's just accurate town here

Black · Post Post #48 (isolation #11) » Mon Oct 30, 2023 9:10 am

Dann that reminds me, I wanted to ask you something. I might as well ask it here even though it's not related to the game. How much did you compare my play between Mini Normal 2313 and Open 885 while they were ongoing? Did playing with me in those games simultaneously have any effect on your read on me in either game?

Black · Post Post #51 (isolation #12) » Mon Oct 30, 2023 9:13 am

In post 49, Something_Smart wrote: That is a bold claim. Then again, it's page 2, we don't really have non-bold ones.

Yeah I'm not really putting too much stock in my own read but I feel like being open with my thoughts here

Black · Post Post #54 (isolation #13) » Mon Oct 30, 2023 9:20 am

In post 52, Dannflor wrote: i try not to let bleed between simultaneous games influence me too much but obviously it does still happen

I should probably work on this XD

My scum read of you in 885 was heavily influenced by me knowing you were town in 2313. I couldn't get over the differences in your playstyle even though you had a decent explanation for it

Black · Post Post #55 (isolation #14) » Mon Oct 30, 2023 9:21 am

Wait I think I mixed up those games. Reverse that

Black · Post Post #67 (isolation #15) » Mon Oct 30, 2023 9:36 am

pisskop what did you mean in 38? Why do you think SS bringing up a meta read is interesting here?

Black · Post Post #68 (isolation #16) » Mon Oct 30, 2023 9:43 am

In post 62, Doctor Drew wrote: 3 pages already? Aww man.

Yeah sorry. I don't know how to not post a lot...

Black · Post Post #74 (isolation #17) » Mon Oct 30, 2023 9:57 am

In post 70, pisskop wrote:
In post 67, Black wrote: pisskop what did you mean in 38? Why do you think SS bringing up a meta read is interesting here?
I think its more interesting than trying to defend anyone on page 2.

It opens the conversation up. It asks people to inquire about dunnstals meta and it see if anyone actually cares enough about the situation to ask.

Does this ping you either way or is it just Interesting^TM

Black · Post Post #89 (isolation #18) » Mon Oct 30, 2023 10:49 am

In post 87, gob wrote: Alright, everyone. I am the COP.

Yes, this is serious.

In post 88, gob wrote: TP/LO ON ME!!!!!

Wtf?

Black · Post Post #101 (isolation #19) » Mon Oct 30, 2023 11:00 am

In post 91, gob wrote: What seems to be the problem, Black?

I don't like the claim but I guess we should believe you

I don't like 95 either but I think you just play weird

Black · Post Post #103 (isolation #20) » Mon Oct 30, 2023 11:07 am

In post 102, Titus wrote:
In post 101, Black wrote:
In post 91, gob wrote: What seems to be the problem, Black?
I don't like the claim but I guess we should believe you

I don't like 95 either but I think you just play weird
Why should we believe gob? That's a decent possible gambit.

I feel like the right play would be to trust him for now and question it if he makes it to the endgame

Black · Post Post #106 (isolation #21) » Mon Oct 30, 2023 11:24 am

Go on

Black · Post Post #108 (isolation #22) » Mon Oct 30, 2023 11:30 am

If I read him as just vanilla then 91 and 95 kinda feel like rolefishing. 91 in a "does my claim interfere with your role" kinda way and 95 in a more direct way veiled as a joke

I still don't think we should fade him though

Black · Post Post #111 (isolation #23) » Mon Oct 30, 2023 11:36 am

I think the vote on shaddowez in 94 feels weird because gob seems to distrust people that vote with an explanation in their first post, but shaddowez's reason was literally just "I haven't played with Titus in awhile" which seems like pure RVS to me

Black · Post Post #112 (isolation #24) » Mon Oct 30, 2023 11:36 am

In post 110, Titus wrote:
In post 106, Black wrote: Go on
Feels like you're acting as if you know he's town or that you believe there's not enough "points" for a cop claim. Your interaction feels fake.

Ok

Black · Post Post #113 (isolation #25) » Mon Oct 30, 2023 11:37 am

How could there not be enough points for a cop claim? Mafia start with 3 points so even if they don't take any abilities there could still be a cop

Black · Post Post #114 (isolation #26) » Mon Oct 30, 2023 11:38 am

Town* starts with 3 points

Black · Post Post #123 (isolation #27) » Mon Oct 30, 2023 12:36 pm

In post 115, gob wrote:
In post 111, Black wrote: I think the vote on shaddowez in 94 feels weird because gob seems to distrust people that vote with an explanation in their first post, but shaddowez's reason was literally just "I haven't played with Titus in awhile" which seems like pure RVS to me
What the fuck. Are you gonna just fucking link my post and give your bad take every time now? We get it, you scumread me. Save it for a big post later in the day.

Eh. I wouldn't even really call it a scumread. Just eyebrow raising

Black · Post Post #124 (isolation #28) » Mon Oct 30, 2023 12:38 pm

Titus's reasoning here doesn't really feel pure. The only way I could question if there are enough points for a legit Cop claim would be if I were a 2 point PR myself and assumed the scum took no abilities. The reason for voting me doesn't check out

Black · Post Post #125 (isolation #29) » Mon Oct 30, 2023 12:39 pm

And then she just ignores me when I pointed that out

FeelsWeirdMan

Black · Post Post #133 (isolation #30) » Mon Oct 30, 2023 12:56 pm

In post 127, Titus wrote:
In post 124, Black wrote: Titus's reasoning here doesn't really feel pure. The only way I could question if there are enough points for a legit Cop claim would be if I were a 2 point PR myself and assumed the scum took no abilities. The reason for voting me doesn't check out
There was an or in that statement. Pretty convenient you left that out.

Your "you might know he's town" reasoning feels better and I can't really argue against you there. I'm just not sure why you included the second reasoning

Black · Post Post #141 (isolation #31) » Mon Oct 30, 2023 1:38 pm

In post 138, Roden wrote:
In post 136, Titus wrote:
In post 130, Roden wrote: Black/Titus feels TvT
Why
You're both arguing to be right instead of trying to survive or scum case each other

Or at least, it reads as the primary motivation

I don't understand this. I feel like it's pretty clear I'm trying to understand the motive behind Titus's push

Black · Post Post #145 (isolation #32) » Mon Oct 30, 2023 3:53 pm

In post 142, gob wrote: Not liking Roden here.

Yeah none of his posts feel particularly townie to me

I like a Roden wagon

VOTE: Roden

Black · Post Post #146 (isolation #33) » Mon Oct 30, 2023 3:57 pm

In post 134, Titus wrote:
In post 133, Black wrote:
In post 127, Titus wrote:
In post 124, Black wrote: Titus's reasoning here doesn't really feel pure. The only way I could question if there are enough points for a legit Cop claim would be if I were a 2 point PR myself and assumed the scum took no abilities. The reason for voting me doesn't check out
There was an or in that statement. Pretty convenient you left that out.
Your "you might know he's town" reasoning feels better and I can't really argue against you there. I'm just not sure why you included the second reasoning
Because it's what snapped into my head...stream of consciousness yo

Did you misunderstand the setup or what

Black · Post Post #150 (isolation #34) » Mon Oct 30, 2023 4:25 pm

In post 147, pisskop wrote:
In post 2, Ausuka wrote: 2 Points

Cop
Jailkeeper
Mason x2
Vigilante
Watcher
There is a 50% chance of any 1 point rolling a 2 point ability, but only if there are 2 points available. By default with 3 points, this results in 2 50% rolls. Thats a 75% chance of rolling 1 of the above 5 abilities. so, there is a 20% chance of rolling a cop on top of that. That's 15% chance of a cop by default.

Although the odds go up when 4, 5, or 6 points are allotted, the underlying idea does not change. There is an informed mafia option available, however.

I actually didn't realize it was this complex but I still don't understand how I could know there isn't a cop if I were scum? Am I missing something or am I correct that Titus was wrong about that?

Black · Post Post #152 (isolation #35) » Mon Oct 30, 2023 4:30 pm

Ok. Reading 110 again I can kinda see an interpretation of that

Black · Post Post #165 (isolation #36) » Tue Oct 31, 2023 1:45 am

In post 162, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 160, Titus wrote:
In post 151, pisskop wrote: Titus is saying youre posting like youre informed of more info than the rest of us have, I think.

Less about 'you know there is a cop' and more 'you know how many points there are so can hedge your bets'

but stop me if I sound crazy
That

In post 161, Titus wrote: VOTE: Roden

I like Black's response here.
Why backing off Black?

You should join us on the Roden wagon

Black · Post Post #166 (isolation #37) » Tue Oct 31, 2023 1:57 am

In post 148, davesaz wrote: I think Dunn's post comes from scum, and thought it was clear I think that from my vote post.

In post 149, davesaz wrote: VOTE: Dannflor

Do you think Dann is scummier than Dunn?

Black · Post Post #177 (isolation #38) » Tue Oct 31, 2023 8:10 am

Are you ignoring my question or did you just miss it

Black · Post Post #180 (isolation #39) » Tue Oct 31, 2023 8:13 am

In post 179, davesaz wrote:
In post 177, Black wrote: Are you ignoring my question or did you just miss it
Who are you asking?

You

Black · Post Post #183 (isolation #40) » Tue Oct 31, 2023 8:16 am

Talk to me about why you think Dannflor is scum

Black · Post Post #196 (isolation #41) » Tue Oct 31, 2023 8:55 am

In post 184, davesaz wrote: Read 178.

What? That doesn't explain your Dann scumread at all

Black · Post Post #197 (isolation #42) » Tue Oct 31, 2023 8:59 am

In post 190, shaddowez wrote: Titus vote hopped like 4 times in her first 10ish posts, I'm pretty sure most of it was RVS-like. Do you actually think she's scummy for anything specific, or is this just shade?

At the time I didn't like Titus implying that I was informed about the point distribution and I wanted to hear her go into detail about that

Black · Post Post #207 (isolation #43) » Tue Oct 31, 2023 10:39 am

In post 199, davesaz wrote:
In post 196, Black wrote:
In post 184, davesaz wrote: Read 178.
What? That doesn't explain your Dann scumread at all

At the point in time I voted Dann
the only "reason" that Dann had given for voting me was "greater than rand scum" with no further explanation.

So let me make sure I'm understanding you correctly

You scumread Dann because he voted for you without further explanation. Then in 178 you say that Gob "seems to think" that doing this is scummy. You obviously think it's scummy too so why did you phrase it this way? If you think Dann is scummy for this then why did you write 172 and 178 in a way that makes it seem like gob thinks its scummy and you don't really agree with him?

Black · Post Post #210 (isolation #44) » Tue Oct 31, 2023 11:24 am

In post 209, davesaz wrote: You've never seen someone use sarcasm in written communication?

Can you like... clearly and explicitly explain your thoughts on gob and Dann? Maybe I'm just dense but it just feels like you are beating around the bush and saying indirect things

Black · Post Post #213 (isolation #45) » Tue Oct 31, 2023 11:42 am

In post 209, davesaz wrote: You've never seen someone use sarcasm in written communication?

Where was the sarcasm?

Black · Post Post #216 (isolation #46) » Tue Oct 31, 2023 12:04 pm

In post 214, davesaz wrote: I do something that isn't scummy.
Gob says it's scummy.
Dann does basically the same thing.
I say what Dann did is scummy because it's just like what gob said was scummy coming from me.

I don't understand how this is sarcasm but ok. I'm not getting anything out of this interaction. It seems like you are being intentionally cryptic and difficult

Like I'm clearly confused about your Dann scumread, so I asked you to elaborate on it and you linked to a post that doesn't elaborate on it. I ask you about that and then you imply I have never read sarcasm before

If you feel better about Dann then why is your vote still there and not on Dunn or gob?

Black · Post Post #227 (isolation #47) » Tue Oct 31, 2023 11:12 pm

I'm curious what Alisae thinks of people

Black · Post Post #233 (isolation #48) » Wed Nov 01, 2023 6:03 am

In post 230, Crescent wrote: Odd sequence: Titus votes Black. Drew votes Black. Roden calls Titus and Black both town, and Gob says he doesn't like Roden. Drew then responds to Gob saying he also doesn't like Roden. Shortly after this, Black votes Roden. Titus changes her mind and votes Roden, and Drew immediately asks her why she's backing off on Black.

What Drew never provides however, are his own reasons to suspect Black or Rodon to begin with. He just sheeps people onto both of them, and then he questions why the first person he sheeped changed her mind. It doesn't feel like a natural town progression at all.

VOTE: Doctor Drew

I like this thought progression. Drew's ISO is essentially... act exasperated at the number of posts, add pressure on existing suspects, and then question people that remove pressure off said suspects. I think I would be ok with a Drew vote depending on what Roden does when he returns to the thread

I agree that Drew seems to be drifting through D1 while still

In post 230, Crescent wrote: Speaking of Gob, they feel like they're on crack, is this normal for them?

This made me cackle

Black · Post Post #234 (isolation #49) » Wed Nov 01, 2023 6:04 am

In post 233, Black wrote: I agree that Drew seems to be drifting through D1 while still

Somehow "pushing things" got deleted here

Black · Post Post #236 (isolation #50) » Wed Nov 01, 2023 8:16 am

In post 235, Dunnstral wrote: Seems a bit too easy for Doctor Drew to be mafia. They aren't exactly hiding that they aren't doing much.

In my experience scum tend to try and hide it similarly to how he would be doing it here. By acknowledging it yet still trying to push their agenda here and there

Black · Post Post #240 (isolation #51) » Wed Nov 01, 2023 10:25 am

In post 239, Titus wrote: How does a Drew Roden team look?

What do you think

Black · Post Post #244 (isolation #52) » Wed Nov 01, 2023 11:19 am

In post 243, gob wrote: He's had a towny state of mind thoever.

Admitting that you're not doing anything is like the easiest thing for scum to do and it shows he's aware of it and that it might look scummy. This could come from town or scum so I'm not sure why you are ruling out one of the options

Black · Post Post #246 (isolation #53) » Wed Nov 01, 2023 11:41 am

In post 245, gob wrote:
In post 244, Black wrote:
In post 243, gob wrote: He's had a towny state of mind thoever.
Admitting that you're not doing anything is like the easiest thing for scum to do and it shows he's aware of it and that it might look scummy. This could come from town or scum so I'm not sure why you are ruling out one of the options
The way he randomly responded to davesaz mentioning they didnt do anything. The only person who goes out of there way to say something like that is town. A scum would do something else before that.

Scum that wants to emphasize that they are doing nothing in order to continue doing nothing might do it. I'm not saying this makes Drew scum but I don't see how it clears him tbh

Black · Post Post #247 (isolation #54) » Wed Nov 01, 2023 11:43 am

Meanwhile it seems like Roden has siteflaked

And Alisae still doesn't feel like playing ig

Black · Post Post #249 (isolation #55) » Wed Nov 01, 2023 11:49 am

Everytime I have seen/read Alisae play town they have tried way harder than this but maybe I need a bigger sample size. Are there any games in particular you are basing that read off of Drew?

Black · Post Post #256 (isolation #56) » Wed Nov 01, 2023 12:08 pm

In post 254, Dunnstral wrote: Or Alisae is just busy which is NAI

Yep obviously. Hopefully they're doing ok

Black · Post Post #266 (isolation #57) » Wed Nov 01, 2023 9:39 pm

In post 263, davesaz wrote: VOTE: gob
Stuff this where it won't get any sun.

So do you think gob is lying about his claim or what?

Black · Post Post #270 (isolation #58) » Thu Nov 02, 2023 2:19 am

In post 267, Crescent wrote: so I tend to completely drown out the games I play here with post count

I do this too but it's because I'm bored and have nothing better to do

Black · Post Post #271 (isolation #59) » Thu Nov 02, 2023 2:20 am

I still think Roden is the scummiest player so far

I don't really like how Titus is engaging with the game so I would be ok going there

I'm fine with SS too I think

Black · Post Post #285 (isolation #60) » Thu Nov 02, 2023 6:18 am

I'm not sure if Roden is frozen. It's more likely he has abandoned the website entirely

Black · Post Post #286 (isolation #61) » Thu Nov 02, 2023 6:19 am

In post 281, shaddowez wrote:
In post 280, Titus wrote: Ok. Think about this. Roden's probably froze and scum are hoping for a distraction.
Depending what you mean by "froze" I think I agree with this

I think she means he's scum that doesn't know what to say after getting wagoned but I don't really think that's the case here

Black · Post Post #287 (isolation #62) » Thu Nov 02, 2023 6:21 am

According to the rules it takes 36 hours for a prod so I'm not sure why he hasn't been prodded yet

Also hi Alisae. Are you just going to prod dodge the entire game or what

Black · Post Post #296 (isolation #63) » Thu Nov 02, 2023 6:34 am

In post 294, Alisae wrote:
In post 287, Black wrote: Also hi Alisae. Are you just going to prod dodge the entire game or what
I am OCCUPIED

Oh ok

Black · Post Post #311 (isolation #64) » Thu Nov 02, 2023 7:26 am

Dave feels more like chaotic townie than scum to me

Black · Post Post #313 (isolation #65) » Thu Nov 02, 2023 7:28 am

In post 310, Dannflor wrote: I don't mind the Roden wagon at all but kinda feels useless to wagon there until a replacement comes in

Ehh maybe you're right

Wagon Titus with me?

VOTE: Titus

Black · Post Post #320 (isolation #66) » Thu Nov 02, 2023 7:44 am

VOTE: pisskop

Black · Post Post #335 (isolation #67) » Thu Nov 02, 2023 10:36 am

I think shaddowez could be scum

Black · Post Post #337 (isolation #68) » Thu Nov 02, 2023 10:45 am

Can you go into why pisskop is your strongest TR?

Black · Post Post #345 (isolation #69) » Thu Nov 02, 2023 12:03 pm

In post 339, gob wrote:
In post 337, Black wrote: Can you go into why pisskop is your strongest TR?

In post 90, gob wrote:
In post 15, pisskop wrote: VOTE: dunn

Im actually not super stoked about speccing about the timing of the PM deliveries and the replace outs, being said replace out
tf, who even thinks about this? You're probably town cause mafia would have something more important to think about.
basically this. His non-solvy posts I also get the vibe he's a town who hasn't got anything going yet this game.

Pisskop is your strongest townread based on his first post of the game and the fact that he's not solving?

Yeah ngl that feels weird

Black · Post Post #346 (isolation #70) » Thu Nov 02, 2023 12:05 pm

What do you even mean "mafia have something more important to think about"? It's a page 1 vote

Black · Post Post #354 (isolation #71) » Thu Nov 02, 2023 12:22 pm

In post 347, pisskop wrote: Why is it weird to TR somebody for the actions they take in a game?

That's a really weird interpretation of what I said. Having you as his

strongest

townread and the reason he gave for it is what is weird to me. It doesn't feel like a real read

In post 348, pisskop wrote: why are you even voting for me rn? is it ... for what Ive done this game?

Yeah I think you could easily be scum here

Black · Post Post #362 (isolation #72) » Thu Nov 02, 2023 12:32 pm

In post 355, pisskop wrote:
In post 354, Black wrote:weird
you keep throwing this word around and I wonder if it isnt a tell from you

Dang you got me! I never say "weird" as town

In post 356, pisskop wrote:
In post 354, Black wrote: Yeah I think you could easily be scum here
I asked why you have that SR.

It's more of a SL and I don't think my vote on Roden was very productive, so I joined Dann on your wagon

In post 357, pisskop wrote: Because what feels hollow is claiming somebody is scum for not playing.

Where did I claim that? In fact I defended Roden against a frozen scum claim and gave Ali the benefit of the doubt for being busy, so what are you getting at here?

In post 358, pisskop wrote: I think youre picking at other people's play to expose weakness, not to solve the game

Elaborate here

Black · Post Post #363 (isolation #73) » Thu Nov 02, 2023 12:32 pm

In post 361, Dunnstral wrote: pisskop has a point

He made a lot of points. What do you agree with?

Black · Post Post #368 (isolation #74) » Thu Nov 02, 2023 12:54 pm

In post 365, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 363, Black wrote:
In post 361, Dunnstral wrote: pisskop has a point
He made a lot of points. What do you agree with?
I don't think the reasons given to vote for them are compelling and they were fighting back on that.

I feel like pisskop didn't even fight back against the main point Dannflor brought up about him, which was that he's not really trying to determine people's alignments. Even in his push against me here it feels more like he's trying to shade me for voting him instead of "I don't know Black's alignment but I would like to find out what it is"

Black · Post Post #372 (isolation #75) » Thu Nov 02, 2023 12:59 pm

In post 371, Dunnstral wrote: Can you make it more clear what pisskop did not respond to. I see they responded to Dannflor.

315

Black · Post Post #379 (isolation #76) » Thu Nov 02, 2023 1:19 pm

In post 374, gob wrote: wtf is pisskop supposed to say. that's just a nothing post.

I am always ignoring dumb posts people say, like davesaz' vote against me earlier.

How is that a nothing post? Dannflor voted pisskop and gave the reason that he struggled to find pisskop taking a stance on anyone's alignment

Dave voted for you because he wanted to fight or something

These are not the same

Black · Post Post #381 (isolation #77) » Thu Nov 02, 2023 1:22 pm

I like Drew's posting since he became active

Black · Post Post #382 (isolation #78) » Thu Nov 02, 2023 1:24 pm

Currently I want to fade within {pisskop, Roden, Titus, SS, shadow}

Black · Post Post #383 (isolation #79) » Thu Nov 02, 2023 1:25 pm

Maybe Dunn but I don't like that as much as other options

Black · Post Post #396 (isolation #80) » Thu Nov 02, 2023 3:39 pm

In post 392, gob wrote: Anyone else down to vote off Crescent for these super long posts?

I am never gonna read that much, no lie.

I'd much sooner vote you for being purposely obtuse

Black · Post Post #401 (isolation #81) » Thu Nov 02, 2023 3:44 pm

In post 400, Doctor Drew wrote: Am I crazy to want to vote the claimed cop?

It's always tempting to policy lim the troll

Black · Post Post #408 (isolation #82) » Thu Nov 02, 2023 4:01 pm

In post 387, gob wrote:
In post 378, davesaz wrote:
In post 376, gob wrote:
In post 375, davesaz wrote:
In post 369, gob wrote: Well you can start by giving me what I ask for, which is your emotions.
You don't think anger is emotion?
You were angry? Lol, dude relax its just a game
I'm curious what you were thinking you'd see btw. Like "show emotion" is a really bizarre thing to say.
Who knows, sometimes I just say whatever sounds right, even if it doesn’t make sense.

In post 392, gob wrote: Anyone else down to vote off Crescent for these super long posts?

I am never gonna read that much, no lie.

In post 397, gob wrote:
In post 395, Crescent wrote:
In post 392, gob wrote: Anyone else down to vote off Crescent for these super long posts?

I am never gonna read that much, no lie.
If you're gonna be lazy then don't play. I haven't made anything I'd consider a remotely long post yet.
Yea but yours just go on and on with no formatting. Wasn't being serious, tho

These are troll posts. No wonder Albert E. Rampage is your idol

Black · Post Post #409 (isolation #83) » Thu Nov 02, 2023 4:02 pm

Albert B. Now I'm trolling smh

Black · Post Post #427 (isolation #84) » Fri Nov 03, 2023 1:27 am

VOTE: Titus

Black · Post Post #439 (isolation #85) » Fri Nov 03, 2023 6:22 am

In post 436, shaddowez wrote: I hate policy lims, but Ali is looking to get there. Popping in to prodge, then just saying "I'm busy" when called on it doesn't scream "I'm trying to win for town", even if it's not by itself scummy.

If Ali is town they are throwing but a policy lim D1 is weak sauce. Hopefully they decide to play some point and do some AI stuff

In post 436, shaddowez wrote: Catching up more now, but atm comfortable leaving my vote on Titus even though it started as RVS

Why do you think Titus is scum?

Black · Post Post #441 (isolation #86) » Fri Nov 03, 2023 6:38 am

In post 440, Titus wrote: I don't like the defenses on vacant dlots. Even though policy lims are bad, we could run into the situation that only town are active.

Why don't you push Alisae then

Black · Post Post #446 (isolation #87) » Fri Nov 03, 2023 7:38 am

In post 442, shaddowez wrote: Not sure what you mean by "throwing"

Doing something that causes your team to lose the game. They aren't

really

throwing here if they are town, I was just exaggerating because lurky townies annoy me. Like if you're too busy to play then maybe give your slot up to someone else that has the time. I'm having a hard time believing Alisae hasn't been able to dedicate 30 minutes out of the last 4 days to come in here and post their thoughts

Black · Post Post #447 (isolation #88) » Fri Nov 03, 2023 7:40 am

5 days*

Black · Post Post #453 (isolation #89) » Fri Nov 03, 2023 9:00 am

In post 451, Titus wrote:
In post 444, Dunnstral wrote: It feels like Titus voted Roden and then disappeared. I didn't like the implication that Roden was "Frozen" as I took that to mean that Roden was having trouble with what to say when in reality it seemed Roden was just away from the game.
I didn't disappear. Game has been dead + me sick

I feel like there has been plenty of stuff to comment on, but I do hope you feel better

Black · Post Post #458 (isolation #90) » Fri Nov 03, 2023 10:49 am

In post 456, davesaz wrote: There's a word where the social usage does not at all line up with the dictionary meaning

Not that it matters but there's two definitions for obtuse in the dictionary. I was using one of them

Black · Post Post #461 (isolation #91) » Fri Nov 03, 2023 10:55 am

In post 459, davesaz wrote: That actually made it into the dictionary? Occupational hazard of being in one's 60's and having a pretty good memory.

Black · Post Post #462 (isolation #92) » Fri Nov 03, 2023 10:58 am

Hi pisskop. Were you planning on responding to 362? I feel like if you think I could be scum then you would want to engage with me more

Black · Post Post #466 (isolation #93) » Fri Nov 03, 2023 4:53 pm

In post 465, pisskop wrote: Black has a completed game with me as an IC where I didnt play for the first 4 days. Feels like she should know better

What does this even mean? If you read my posts instead of dismissing them as boring you would know I don't think you're scummy based on your activity at all

You asked me why I think you're scummy and I didn't even give you a direct answer, yet you give no follow up to dig deeper. You have no interest in sorting me or anyone else in the game

Black · Post Post #467 (isolation #94) » Fri Nov 03, 2023 4:56 pm

In post 465, pisskop wrote: okay, I guess I dont care to respond to it because its boring.

Also like what is this? You think solving for my alignment and trying to help me solve you is boring? You didn't act like this as IC at all. You were very cooperative and you actually showed signs of wanting to solve the game

Black · Post Post #469 (isolation #95) » Fri Nov 03, 2023 5:12 pm

In post 468, Doctor Drew wrote: I feel Crescent as being opportunistic though

I like that you said this because I felt that a little, but I've otherwise been townreading Crescent so I kinda brushed it off

I suppose she could be a Titus partner trying to build a counter-wagon. But if Titus is actually town here and Crescent is scum then I'm not sure why Crescent wouldn't just join the Titus wagon

Black · Post Post #471 (isolation #96) » Fri Nov 03, 2023 5:24 pm

I guess if it's Crescent/shadow or Crescent/Roden then she might not want to be on the same wagon as them. I'm not sure why town!Crescent wouldn't have voted for Titus yet despite her ISO suggesting she clearly doesn't trust her

Black · Post Post #473 (isolation #97) » Fri Nov 03, 2023 5:31 pm

The only interaction between Crescent and shadow (and the only time they mention each other at all) is 237 and 238, and it doesn't go anywhere

I think they could be partnered but I'm more confident that shadow flips scum regardless of possible pairs

Black · Post Post #474 (isolation #98) » Fri Nov 03, 2023 5:32 pm

In post 472, Alisae wrote: Wish there were more pages made but it is what it is

I mean it would probably be double this if you had been posting but I'm happy to finally have you here

Black · Post Post #475 (isolation #99) » Fri Nov 03, 2023 5:33 pm

In post 470, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 469, Black wrote:
In post 468, Doctor Drew wrote: I feel Crescent as being opportunistic though
I like that you said this because I felt that a little, but I've otherwise been townreading Crescent so I kinda brushed it off

I suppose she could be a Titus partner trying to build a counter-wagon. But if Titus is actually town here and Crescent is scum then I'm not sure why Crescent wouldn't just join the Titus wagon
I will say I do still town read Titus.

But I get what you are saying here.

Do you have a read on shadow?

Black · Post Post #476 (isolation #100) » Fri Nov 03, 2023 5:34 pm

VOTE: shaddowez

Black · Post Post #477 (isolation #101) » Fri Nov 03, 2023 5:39 pm

In post 436, shaddowez wrote: Catching up more now, but atm comfortable leaving my vote on Titus even though it started as RVS

Titus had just gotten 2 votes right before this to put her at 4. It feels convenient for shaddow to pop in and announce that he's fine with his RVS vote

shaddow also toys at the idea of policy limming Alisae in this post which feels like slimy positioning

Black · Post Post #479 (isolation #102) » Fri Nov 03, 2023 5:42 pm

I think I've talked myself out of my Crescent townread and I'm hoping I'm not just tinfoiling here

Black · Post Post #480 (isolation #103) » Fri Nov 03, 2023 5:42 pm

In post 478, Alisae wrote: im ngl
I've been pushing exactly how far it is I can get away with lurking start of game and playing from behind mostly because it just works well w/ what I'm good at, puts me in a mindset where I prioritize things that aren't mafia, and it's just in general fun to me

I kinda had a feeling you were actively lurking. Whatever works best for you tbh

Black · Post Post #481 (isolation #104) » Fri Nov 03, 2023 5:43 pm

I'm always down to let Alisae cook

Black · Post Post #482 (isolation #105) » Fri Nov 03, 2023 6:22 pm

Shadow's ISO is a scum ISO

I'll try to case him tomorrow when I'm not on my phone in bed

Black · Sat Nov 04, 2023 12:36 am

In post 492, Dunnstral wrote: I need more than Shaddowez being mafia for writing one post

This feels really weird considering your vote on Titus was based on one post, and your vote on SS was mainly a lack of better options

Do you townread shadow?

Black · Sat Nov 04, 2023 12:43 am

Alisae is spittin rn

Black · Sat Nov 04, 2023 12:50 am

In post 261, Dunnstral wrote: I have decided that I don't townread Something_Smart and for lack of a better read I'd be willing to eliminate them based on a feeling that they have a lot of neutral posts and not a lot of opinions beyond not liking what I did and asking davesaz for clarification.

VOTE: Something_Smart

In post 434, Dunnstral wrote: VOTE: Titus

I like this

In post 444, Dunnstral wrote: It feels like Titus voted Roden and then disappeared. I didn't like the implication that Roden was "Frozen" as I took that to mean that Roden was having trouble with what to say when in reality it seemed Roden was just away from the game.

In post 492, Dunnstral wrote: I need more than Shaddowez being mafia for writing one post

Like what is this? Why do you need more when it comes to shadow, but you were willing to fade SS based on a weak feeling/lack of a better read and you are currently willing to fade Titus because she called Roden frozen and hasn't been around much?

Black · Post Post #502 (isolation #109) » Sat Nov 04, 2023 1:02 am

Shaddow has been around less than Titus and his iso is full of hedges and neutral posts, the same thing you were willing to fade SS for. This comment really doesn't make sense to me

Black · Post Post #506 (isolation #110) » Sat Nov 04, 2023 1:57 am

Here are the thoughts I had last night when looking through Shadow's iso

27 could be a signal to the scum team if he's the traitor and they didn't choose to recruit him

185 doesn't go anywhere and doesn't even feel like a real thought

I don't really like how he called my 124 shade in 190. Asking if I think Titus is scummy for anything specific feels like a busywork thought considering later on he claims he scumreads her for certain things she was doing around this time, which indicates to me that he should have already been at least slightly suspicious of her when he wrote this. He didn't seem too interested in my response either. Unrelatedly, his comment to gob here feels hedgy wrt Roden

191 and 195 feel sorta like an attempt to shade the claimed Cop to position himself to eventually vote there if need be

237 feels a little pedantic and doesn't go anywhere, and I think it's weird how shadow doesn't offer any thought about Crescent's alignment despite thinking she tried to make a case out of something that didn't happen

279 is super hedgy

436 I talked about last night but I think his posturing around Alisae is slimy and then the Titus stance feels very convenient considering she got two votes right before this post

I don't like how Dunn responded to 443 but Shadow didn't seem interested in the response. This is pretty common, shadow just asking questions to ask them. It just seems like he's trying to look like he's solving

449 is a misinterpretation of what Gob said but it reads as being self-conscious about being voted for

Black · Post Post #507 (isolation #111) » Sat Nov 04, 2023 1:59 am

In post 505, Dunnstral wrote: shaddowez has been busy though.

And Titus has been sick so this feels irrelevant

Black · Post Post #508 (isolation #112) » Sat Nov 04, 2023 2:01 am

In post 504, Dunnstral wrote: It isn't, really

Your only reason for voting for Titus was because she voted for Roden and then "left"

Black · Post Post #509 (isolation #113) » Sat Nov 04, 2023 2:05 am

In post 487, Dunnstral wrote: Also it does not matter that Titus had reappeared.

Dunn why are you willing to give shadow a pass for being busy, but when it comes to Titus's reasoning for not being here, you're not buying it?

Black · Sat Nov 04, 2023 12:51 pm

I don't want any credit

_{unless he flips scum then I want like 20%}

Black · Post Post #555 (isolation #115) » Sat Nov 04, 2023 1:15 pm

Sorry you already gave all your credit to gob

I don't drive wagons I ride them. Yeehaw!

Black · Post Post #570 (isolation #116) » Mon Nov 06, 2023 3:24 am

In post 566, Something_Smart wrote: Shaddow's ISO is unimpressive. Not bad per se, I think maybe he was a bad choice to wagon like this because he's known to be V/LA over weekends.

If shaddow is town, there's potentially some valuable information from the way his wagon rose and then the thread completely stalled. I have ideas but I would want to hear his thoughts on it before I say anything.

I don't really think the thread stalling on a Sunday says much, and I also disagree about this being a bad wagon. Shadow doesn't have to respond to the pressure right away in order for us to get something out of it

Black · Post Post #572 (isolation #117) » Mon Nov 06, 2023 3:28 am

I'm starting to think pisskop might be town. His dismissal of my questions and lack of interest in engaging with me seems like such an unnecessary course of action if he's scum here. I feel like he would be trying more to get my wagon going or to prove to others I might be scum

Black · Post Post #574 (isolation #118) » Mon Nov 06, 2023 3:40 am

Why do you keep trying to get people to read your scum games?

Black · Post Post #576 (isolation #119) » Mon Nov 06, 2023 3:43 am

Like if you have a self-meta comment you want to make by all means go for it

Black · Post Post #578 (isolation #120) » Mon Nov 06, 2023 3:43 am

In post 575, pisskop wrote: Most people set the bar for 'meta' so low that its an easy defense

What do you mean?

Black · Post Post #595 (isolation #121) » Mon Nov 06, 2023 4:09 am

In post 594, pisskop wrote: I mean, its been pretty abundantly clear Im not actually reading along or playing. Why would I be up to date on current events

Can you like start doing that

Black · Post Post #598 (isolation #122) » Mon Nov 06, 2023 4:14 am

I think I'm ok with a Crescent vote

I think Crescent/Alisae could be a thing here. Obviously it's a preflip read so it doesn't mean much but I don't like how Alisae showed up and started doing stuff right after Drew voted Crescent and I started to become suspicious of Crescent/shaddow

Black · Post Post #600 (isolation #123) » Mon Nov 06, 2023 4:15 am

Alisae even asked Drew to take his vote away from Crescent in order to get the shadow wagon going full steam. This could definitely be town!Alisae just trying to recruit people to her wagon but if Crescent is actually scum here then the timing of it all seems very sus

Black · Post Post #604 (isolation #124) » Mon Nov 06, 2023 4:29 am

VOTE: Crescent

Black · Post Post #610 (isolation #125) » Mon Nov 06, 2023 4:36 am

In post 468, Doctor Drew wrote:
VOTE: Crescent

I feel the frustration from both Black and PK as being towny.

I feel Crescent as being opportunistic though.

Drew can you put this vote back

Black · Post Post #612 (isolation #126) » Mon Nov 06, 2023 4:48 am

In post 489, Alisae wrote: Something_Smart - Not Wolf w/ Dunn
Dunnstral - Not wolf w/ SS
pisskop - If I'm TRing Dave I'll TR pk.
Titus - Could be town
Dannflor - Town
davesaz - I want to townlean this for standing out just way too much
shaddowez - VOTE: Shaddowez
gob - Town
Doctor Drew - Town
Roden - either town or mafia w/ Crescent
Black - Town
Crescent - I can easily see this being either alignment.

In post 491, Alisae wrote: Titus (3) - shaddowez, Roden, Dunnstral
shaddowez (3) - gob, Black, Alisae
pisskop (2) - Dannflor, Crescent
Black (1) - pisskop
gob (1) - davesaz
Roden (1) - Titus
Crescent (1) - Doctor Drew

Not Voting (1) - Something_Smart

So many vanity voters holy.

I actually like Titus' vote history and I think she seems town so far. I think they are solving.
Shaddowez distinctly comes across as a wolf to me. I do not think 185 is written by town.
Dave I feel like is someone I would normally want to fos but I feel like maybe they are solving and they just stand out a lot?
If I TR Dave, then I think I should TR PK because I think their stances around dave I think come across as town motivated.
black and gob I think have town motivated positions on me and I think Black and Gob have also been pretty townie throughout the game as well.
Roden I don't rly have a read on but if they're town I would probably trust them on their Crescent read so either they're w/w or town/town.
I think Drew has had townie moments and pop-ins within this game.
I don't get the distinction that Dunn v SS is theater, ig I kind of lean town on Dunn but right now Dunn I think is kinda hard to read. I might take a deeper look it might not even be worth the energy.
SS I just don't get distinct townvibes from.
Dann I think had good stances in the early pages.

I don't like how Crescent could "easily be either alignment" yet for some reason Alisae doesn't elaborate on that or even mention their Crescent read at all in the second post when they mention every other player in the game

Black · Post Post #614 (isolation #127) » Mon Nov 06, 2023 4:53 am

Well now that Crescent has claimed I think it makes even more since to fade her today

Black · Post Post #615 (isolation #128) » Mon Nov 06, 2023 4:53 am

Sense* stupid autocorrect

Black · Post Post #617 (isolation #129) » Mon Nov 06, 2023 5:14 am

Shaddow do you have a read on Crescent?

Black · Post Post #622 (isolation #130) » Mon Nov 06, 2023 5:43 am

In post 565, Ausuka wrote:
Votecount
shaddowez (5)
-
gob
,
Black
,
Alisae
, Titus,
Doctor Drew

Titus (3)
- shaddowez, Roden, Dunnstral

pisskop (2)
-
Dannflor
,
Crescent

Black (1)
- pisskop

Not Voting (2)
- davesaz, Something_Smart

This may be conf bias but I feel like it's too convenient for Crescent to say she doesn't have a read on shaddow here. PK was a good alternative wagon to push in order for her to not be on the same wagon as Alisae. I townread/lean everyone else on these wagons except Titus and I'm willing to outsource my read to Drew there for now. I think Crescent/Alisae just fits here

Black · Post Post #625 (isolation #131) » Mon Nov 06, 2023 6:09 am

I'm surprised the AtE is enough to deter you tbh

Black · Post Post #630 (isolation #132) » Mon Nov 06, 2023 6:16 am

In post 628, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 614, Black wrote: Well now that Crescent has claimed I think it makes even more since to fade her today
Only if we think they are mafia.

At least 3 of us do

I don't think we should run anyone else up to a claim so I'll probably be parking my vote on Crescent

Black · Post Post #632 (isolation #133) » Mon Nov 06, 2023 6:17 am

In post 629, Dunnstral wrote: This doesn't make me feel either way about you, but it does show that there are some incorrect assumptions in the case presented against you

What do you make of those incorrect assumptions?

Black · Post Post #633 (isolation #134) » Mon Nov 06, 2023 6:19 am

In post 631, Dunnstral wrote: Ah my bad then, didn't realize it was 3 to elim

What even is the point of posting this? How about you share your thoughts on Crescent since it doesn't look like you've mentioned them at all this game

Black · Post Post #634 (isolation #135) » Mon Nov 06, 2023 6:20 am

Like at this point it just seems like you are naysaying any and every wagon that pops up. You are just obstructing

Black · Post Post #637 (isolation #136) » Mon Nov 06, 2023 6:24 am

In post 633, Black wrote: How about you share your thoughts on Crescent since it doesn't look like you've mentioned them at all this game

Black · Post Post #638 (isolation #137) » Mon Nov 06, 2023 6:28 am

In post 626, shaddowez wrote: She made a lot of the same arguments I would have (or I think even did, in some cases), which aren't concrete but FMPOV come from a place of me knowing I'm town.

Yeah I think this is largely why I was townreading her at first. I'm usually able to tap into my town thought process when I'm scum so that isn't enough for me to retain the read, personally. I understand your stance though

Black · Post Post #640 (isolation #138) » Mon Nov 06, 2023 6:38 am

In post 639, Dunnstral wrote: I don't think Crescent is mafia.

Why not

Black · Post Post #646 (isolation #139) » Mon Nov 06, 2023 7:29 am

In post 644, Alisae wrote: For the love of can we put votes back on shadow plz and stay focused holy

Nah I like shadow's responses enough. Feel free to help me fade Crescent though

Black · Post Post #666 (isolation #140) » Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:33 am

I could still go shadow, but I would rather fade someone like Roden if Crescent isn't happening

Dann are you not worried about me being scum at all?

Black · Post Post #668 (isolation #141) » Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:39 am

I don't townread shadow but I'm considering I may have gotten a little tunneled/tin foiled when I initially voted for him. His responses to his wagon felt level-headed enough for me to pursue Crescent

Black · Post Post #669 (isolation #142) » Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:41 am

I guess Crescent/shaddow could still be a thing

Black · Post Post #671 (isolation #143) » Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:55 am

In post 652, shaddowez wrote:
In post 644, Alisae wrote: For the love of can we put votes back on shadow plz and stay focused holy

In post 651, Alisae wrote: He is a wolf
Is anyone familiar enough with Alisae's meta to know if scum!Alisae would push a mislim this hard?

I've been looking over this scum game of Alisae's and I notice some similarities. They have the whole "I don't really want to play" attitude there that they started this game with, and they also tried to recruit people to their wagons. I have a feeling they do the whole recruiting thing as town too but I can't remember if they did in the town game I played with them. Their first push in this game was against their scum buddy, so that's something they're comfortable doing at least

I think Alisae might be hard to read off of meta and I don't really feel like going through 600 posts of theirs in that game just for it all to potentially be a waste of time

Black · Post Post #672 (isolation #144) » Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:58 am

In post 670, Dannflor wrote: i liked crescent's 391

i feel like that type of read about titus and roden not being partnered is hard to fabricate for scum

it's not impossible crescent/shadowez is a thing but in that case i'd still rather go shadow first

391 feels super easy to fake since she would know Titus and Roden's alignments. It just seems like busywork to me. That's just my opinion at least

Black · Post Post #676 (isolation #145) » Mon Nov 06, 2023 9:27 am

In post 673, Dunnstral wrote: It's more than just knowing their alignments. It is looking at the interactions between the two and considering the implications.

You don't think scum do this when trying to appear townie?

Black · Post Post #677 (isolation #146) » Mon Nov 06, 2023 9:30 am

In post 674, Dannflor wrote:
In post 672, Black wrote:
In post 670, Dannflor wrote: i liked crescent's 391

i feel like that type of read about titus and roden not being partnered is hard to fabricate for scum

it's not impossible crescent/shadowez is a thing but in that case i'd still rather go shadow first
391 feels super easy to fake since she would know Titus and Roden's alignments. It just seems like busywork to me. That's just my opinion at least
i disagree it's busy work

it was prompted by seeing your PoE

also knowing Titus and Roden's alignments doesn't make it easier to see why they couldn't be partnered necessarily, i think it's a fairly in depth read and it shows she's been reading the game pretty closely to be able to recall that quickly

She posted that thought two hours after I posted my PoE. We don't know how long it took her to formulate that thought

Also it doesn't really feel natural to see a PoE of 5 people and then argue that two of them probably aren't paired. That's what I meant by busywork. To me it feels like they were trying to look townie by posting that thought

Anyway I'm not confident enough in my read to really try to convince you here

Black · Post Post #679 (isolation #147) » Mon Nov 06, 2023 9:39 am

Whatever, maybe I just suck at the game

VOTE: Roden

Black · Post Post #680 (isolation #148) » Mon Nov 06, 2023 9:40 am

I'll move to shaddow if I need to before the deadline

Black · Mon Nov 06, 2023 10:35 am

In post 682, Roden wrote:
In post 679, Black wrote: Whatever, maybe I just suck at the game

VOTE: Roden
No, you're just scum

I'm glad you're finally gearing up to make 420 happen

Black · Mon Nov 06, 2023 10:37 am

In post 683, Roden wrote: Titus has been obvscum since the first 24 hours of the game and Black has tried to start like five different wagons to distract everyone

It's mind boggling that no one seems to see that

It's mind boggling that you think Titus is obvscum

In post 684, Roden wrote:
In post 630, Black wrote:
In post 628, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 614, Black wrote: Well now that Crescent has claimed I think it makes even more since to fade her today
Only if we think they are mafia.
At least 3 of us do

I don't think we should run anyone else up to a claim so I'll probably be parking my vote on Crescent
Like the fact that everyone saw this and thought "yeah this is a townie thought process that townies tend to have every game" is earning so much side eye right now

Early VT claims historically come from town and that isn't exactly hidden trivia

I don't know Mafia in a historical context so I can't really argue here

Black · Mon Nov 06, 2023 10:48 am

VOTE: Titus

Black · Mon Nov 06, 2023 10:53 am

You kinda made me trust Drew a little less, and that has caused me to question whether or not I should outsource my Titus read there

It feels like Roden actually believes what he is saying about me

Black · Mon Nov 06, 2023 10:55 am

I've been thinking Titus could be scum for this entire game and I'm willing to just flip it and see if I'm right

Black · Mon Nov 06, 2023 10:58 am

Sorta. When Drew voted Crescent it made me think Drew could be onto something, and he's been adamant about his Titus TR so I was willing to trust him there and look elsewhere

Black · Mon Nov 06, 2023 11:15 am

In post 697, gob wrote: I'm thinking we stick to shaddowez here Black.

I got prodded but I don't have much else to say.

I'd rather fade Titus. What are your thoughts on her?

Black · Mon Nov 06, 2023 11:24 am

Dunn, care to join us?

Black · Mon Nov 06, 2023 11:59 am

In post 703, Dannflor wrote: why is titus scum

She's hard to read but a couple things have stood out to me

Her early push on me and the way she changed course based on 152 felt bad

239 feels like she is testing the waters to gauge what she should push

The whole "Roden frozen" thing didn't feel like a real thought and she maintained it despite multiple people saying he siteflaked

I saw her do something like 412 in a recent game we played together where she was scum. I townread her for something unrelated to the game and she pushed back on that. I make posts like this when I'm scum and I did it in the last game we played together

And now today Titus has popped in twice, once to halt the Crescent wagon (who I think makes sense as her scum partner) and the other to thwart her own wagon. I think she is reading and keeping up and purposefully choosing to not do anything until she has to or the agenda calls for it, and I think that is more likely to come from scum

None of these points are great but the ISO is underwhelming enough for me to want to fade here

Black · Mon Nov 06, 2023 12:06 pm

In post 714, Titus wrote: Black, you get into this thing where you feel thoughts that disagree with you aren't real and it's frustrating. My reads have been particularly clear and you dismiss them out of hand.

The Roden read doesn't feel real to me. It was pretty clear he just wasn't around but you wanted to keep pushing that narrative for some reason

Black · Mon Nov 06, 2023 12:07 pm

Like if I'm wrong then I'm sorry, but that's part of the game. Trying to figure out who is faking the shit they are saying

Black · Mon Nov 06, 2023 12:11 pm

In post 722, davesaz wrote:
In post 720, gob wrote:
In post 719, davesaz wrote: You're triggering my tendency to SR people who say they have a team solve d1.
This doesnt seem like too useful of a post. It is just light shading Titus and nothing more.
A decent percentage of what I post is notes to myself.

What do you think about Titus?

Black · Mon Nov 06, 2023 12:13 pm

In post 725, Titus wrote:
In post 721, Black wrote: Like if I'm wrong then I'm sorry, but that's part of the game. Trying to figure out who is faking the shit they are saying
Like I get people can be wrong, but you need to look at that flaw in your scumhunting.

Ok

Black · Mon Nov 06, 2023 12:17 pm

It's weird that you seem convinced I'm town here instead of scum coming up with stuff to SR you. It feels like you know I'm town and you're trying to make me doubt myself

Black · Mon Nov 06, 2023 12:25 pm

In post 731, Titus wrote:
In post 729, Black wrote: It's weird that you seem convinced I'm town here instead of scum coming up with stuff to SR you. It feels like you know I'm town and you're trying to make me doubt myself
I had that out with you at the start of the game. You haven't done anything scummy since. You've been wagon hopping but some people play like that. I find the most vocal wagon hoppers tend to scumread town constantly for disagreeing and let lurking/agreeable scum go. In short, you're a beard.

Once I lock at town d1, I rarely change it.

I thought I was just a town lean but now I'm locked? Why did you consider voting someone you think is locktown?

Black · Mon Nov 06, 2023 12:27 pm

438 you said you lean town on me

Black · Post Post #743 (isolation #165) » Mon Nov 06, 2023 1:10 pm

In post 741, Titus wrote: I accidentally posted in the wrong game so I have to claim here. I'm the rolecop.

What do you mean by the first part? Were you planning to claim and accidently did it in another game?

Black · Post Post #745 (isolation #166) » Mon Nov 06, 2023 1:13 pm

Why did you feel the need to claim with 3 votes here? The timing feels weird

In post 2, Ausuka wrote: Ascetic Informed (knows the full setup)

If the Mafia chose this then they know what roles are in the game, right?

Black · Post Post #746 (isolation #167) » Mon Nov 06, 2023 1:15 pm

Also why did you phrase it like you had to claim here because you posted it in the other game? You were going to claim anyway apparently

I'm not really buying this

Black · Post Post #749 (isolation #168) » Mon Nov 06, 2023 1:56 pm

I can't say why due to the rules but I found something that indicates this is 1000% a fake claim and a gambit gone wrong

Black · Post Post #751 (isolation #169) » Mon Nov 06, 2023 1:57 pm

We should fade Titus here

Black · Post Post #752 (isolation #170) » Mon Nov 06, 2023 2:06 pm

Wait. I just thought of a scenario where she could be telling the truth and actually fucked up. I uh...I still can't go into details unfortunately

I think the play is probably to let Titus live for now

UNVOTE:

Black · Post Post #755 (isolation #171) » Mon Nov 06, 2023 4:10 pm

In post 754, davesaz wrote: Black's votehopping makes me question if I'm TRing her too strongly, but she'd still be a lean town at worst

Why is vote hopping scummy?

Black · Post Post #756 (isolation #172) » Mon Nov 06, 2023 4:11 pm

VOTE: shaddow

That's e-2 I believe

Black · Post Post #762 (isolation #173) » Tue Nov 07, 2023 2:23 am

No hammers until a claim and final reads

Black · Post Post #770 (isolation #174) » Tue Nov 07, 2023 6:51 am

There is a scum rolecop but I feel like with the Informed role it doesn't really matter. If Titus is scum here I would fully expect her to go for the Informed perk which means she would know exactly what she can safely fake claim

Black · Post Post #772 (isolation #175) » Tue Nov 07, 2023 6:56 am

Yes I agree

Black · Post Post #776 (isolation #176) » Tue Nov 07, 2023 7:16 am

That's a little pedantic. The rolecop tracker is still a rolecop

Black · Post Post #777 (isolation #177) » Tue Nov 07, 2023 7:16 am

Oh ok

Black · Thu Nov 09, 2023 10:01 am

In post 785, Dannflor wrote: well that’s unfortunate

My thoughts exactly

Black · Thu Nov 09, 2023 10:24 am

VOTE: Dannflor

The solve in 737 is way off and his vote on Roden doesn't really match his 738

There's some other stuff in the ISO I don't like but all in all the read here isn't strong, I just think we might be getting played by scum Dann here

Black · Thu Nov 09, 2023 10:43 am

In post 799, Something_Smart wrote: The solve being off is part of why I think he's a bad vote. I'm not sure if scum-Dann feels the need to go that hard on shaddow if that wagon is likely going to go through anyway (barring Titus coming in with a steel chair).

There's also another reason that I'd rather not elaborate on right now.

I don't think it hurts Dann to go that hard on shaddow. Shaddow was pretty scummy. It was a safe push imo and it makes Dann look like he's solving if he's scum here

Black · Thu Nov 09, 2023 10:54 am

I think Roden is probably the best vote you could've opened the day with if you're scum here

Dannflor wrote:why would i not reevaluate if my solve is off

I think you would, but I think town!you would have spent more time than just a few minutes of re-evaluating and I think you would have walked us through your thought process

Black · Thu Nov 09, 2023 11:03 am

In post 804, Dannflor wrote:
In post 803, Black wrote: I think you would have walked us through your thought process
i don't know where you get this assumption

In both town games I recently played with you I don't think you ever just placed a naked vote without any type of explanation. When you are town you offer up your thought progression willingly

In post 804, Dannflor wrote:i don't know where you get the assumption i only spent a few minutes or that im done re-evaluating

Well, you saw the flips and then voted for Roden right after. Why would you vote for Roden if you're not done re-evaluating your read on him?

Black · Thu Nov 09, 2023 11:04 am

In post 807, Dannflor wrote: honestly black this feels incredibly shallow

There's no way you can possibly think shallow is a scumtell of mine after games we played recently. This isn't a real thought

In post 808, Dannflor wrote: VOTE: black

Ahhh the OMGUS vote to signal "look I'm town!"

Nice

Black · Thu Nov 09, 2023 11:07 am

Dann/SS/Crescent is my shallow solve

Black · Thu Nov 09, 2023 11:11 am

There's no shot Dann sees a shallow!Black read and completely reverses his read from 659

Dann is lockscum

Black · Thu Nov 09, 2023 11:28 am

In post 831, gob wrote:
In post 830, Dannflor wrote: okey VOTE: pisskop
Let's not be hasty here.

I feel like you were a little hasty. I would have held onto that result to see how pisskop interacted with people today

Black · Thu Nov 09, 2023 11:32 am

In post 833, Dannflor wrote: VOTE: black

Fake vote. We're fading gob or pisskop today, then you tomorrow

Black · Thu Nov 09, 2023 11:33 am

In post 834, pisskop wrote: ? A guilty is a guilty?

VOTE: black

Huh? What I'm saying is if he's telling the truth then he should have held onto the result to see if he could catch you in some weird interactions with your scumbuddies

This vote feels incredibly weird given the situation

Black · Thu Nov 09, 2023 11:33 am

In post 836, pisskop wrote:
In post 835, Black wrote: We're fading gob or pisskop today,
why?

?????

Black · Thu Nov 09, 2023 11:34 am

pisskop/Dannflor/x

Black · Thu Nov 09, 2023 11:42 am

Ok I see the confusion. By "holding onto the result" all I mean is revealing it a couple of IRL days. Let pisskop interact with people without knowing he's outed scum and then pull the guilty card and proceed to fade him

This switch towards me from pisskop pretty much guarantees he's scum here. Town!pisskop would absolutely vote for the person who is declaring a fake guilty on him

Black · Thu Nov 09, 2023 11:44 am

I can see it now. Dann posting question marks in the scum PT because he thought I meant don't reveal the results until after D2, and pisskop jumping on as well forgetting that he should be pushing Gob here

Black · Thu Nov 09, 2023 11:45 am

Just have to find the 3rd and then it's ggez

Black · Thu Nov 09, 2023 11:52 am

In post 845, pisskop wrote: Youre badposting rn black. You already explained what your meant, and now youre building a narrative off of an extremely superficial premise

My posting can't be worse than you voting for me despite supposedly knowing gob is lying

Black · Thu Nov 09, 2023 11:54 am

In post 845, pisskop wrote: You already explained what your meant

Also no, I felt like I had to clarify, because you clearly assumed I meant hold onto the result until D3 or whatever, otherwise you wouldn't have voted for me here

Black · Thu Nov 09, 2023 11:57 am

In post 849, pisskop wrote:
In post 847, Black wrote: because you clearly assumed I meant hold onto the result until D3
theres that narration again

It's not narration if there is no other explanation for your vote lol

Nice shade though

Black · Thu Nov 09, 2023 12:04 pm

I mean correct me if I'm wrong here

I told gob he probably should have waited a bit to reveal his results so he could get more information out of it

You said "A guilty is a guilty?!?!" and then voted me

So you either misunderstood me and thought I meant hold on to the vote until D3, or you made an awful vote and are now arguing semantics and throwing shade

Black · Thu Nov 09, 2023 12:37 pm

pisskop has definitely been ??? over the last couple of pages but I think Dann is more likely to flip scum

I've got a spicy new solve in light of the fakeclaim reveal but I'm gonna sit on it for a bit

Black · Post Post #860 (isolation #199) » Thu Nov 09, 2023 2:02 pm

I don't understand why scum would hit Dunn over Dann here if Dann is town. I don't think a single person in the game scumread Dann while Dunn was in multiple solves

The answer is Dann is probably just scum