Open 888 | Welcome to Feryland! -- End!

[usesPython]

VOTE: Gimli

[usesPython]

Hi Comet! I still feel bad about our newbie game so I've decided to townread you no matter what this game

That's right. If you have an issue with Comet you have to go through me first. She's town

Can we go through you without going through Comet?

[usesPython]

I know this isn't technically newbie's queue anymore but it might be helpful if we all know each other's general level of experience as I know this game was hosted sorta as a newbie-friendly setting.

This will be my fifth game on site (though the first two games were waaaay back in 2016 or so) so I would come under a Semi-Experienced label I think, but I definitely still feel like a bit of a greenhorn!

We apparently have 13 completed games over two accounts which simultaneously feels way smaller and way bigger than it should be

[usesPython]

idk what an Umbreon is but I'm always down for slander

VOTE: Black

[usesPython]

super tiny scumlean on Python

What a crazy coincidence, we're getting bad vibes from

Also this is E-2 but am not unvoting because as you all know, being the first serious wagon is my specialty and I'm not going to give up the opportunity to get voted

[usesPython]

I think scum haven't posted yet

[usesPython]

Well go ahead and vote me

In fact, I'll make you a deal. If you vote me in your next post, I'll join you and vote myself. How's that?

Pedit: wait what. Didn't you have bad vibes from me?

also, scratch that deal, I'm intrigued with Python's statement

We're not getting any of that neutral "this is scum" energy from anyone posting here

[usesPython]

Our "ew" response tends to come from townposts, scumposts tend to have that headnod effect without ever giving off townvibes

[usesPython]

VOTE: Gimli

[usesPython]

im town

I believe you

VOTE: kittiesecret

[usesPython]

Hi Comet! I still feel bad about our newbie game so I've decided to townread you no matter what this game

That's right. If you have an issue with Comet you have to go through me first. She's town

ARE YOU MASONS

They can't be Masons, we rolled Vigilante

[usesPython]

Gimli's pretty obvtown

[usesPython]

Gimli's pretty obvtown

I dunno... picking on the newb without so much as a "hi" seeeeeems kinda scummy imo

VOTE: Gimli

I disagree that a naked vote is "picking on the newb" but that reaction feels very "why tf are you pushing me, I'm town?" energy so you can be town for now

VOTE: TimmerRC do something interesting

Alright, so I have questions.

I'm used to the idea of 48 hour days that end at 48 hours and never sooner, so... sorry if this sounds dense, but how does a "day" possibly last 10 calendar days? Or is it really rare for a day to go that long? What do we talk about on Day 1 for that long, lol?

The full 10 days tend to be used up, and normally there's a lot of back and forth, wheelin and dealin wagoneering with the occasional last minute funny flashwagon

Also, the idea of pressuring people with votes and then they role claim etc. That's a new dynamic for me, the bulk of my past play role claiming was never, ever allowed. So... traditionally, how does this play out? I'll have to get used to it, I was wired to consider that not a "fun" style of mafia.

I don't think anyone actually expects there to be a hammer or claim this early, RVS tends to be people just doing

stuff

until something townie or scummy happens and then people comment on that and then comment on the comments and reactions until it's turtles all the way down

[usesPython]

Being a react YouTuber*:

We first did that style of posting in Weird Dreams Redux as town tho, and it's what got us to be the single most townread player d1. We mimic'd that in Open 880 cause it works great for getting townread but I don't actually think it's alignment indicative by itself (since it's in our natural townrange and our scumrange is wide enough to be able to mimic it) unless it's part of a larger vibe analysis that tries to find the actually scum indicative part of our posting which is

Gonna let the thread stew before I start posting more, already feeling the nervous energy we get when we're scum

[usesPython]

VIP's probably town but I disagree with pretty much all of their reads

[usesPython]

DE you wanna hop on the tim wagon? it's pretty comfy

[usesPython]

Timmer.
A newer player with a lot of questions. If he had a scumbuddy, he'd have been given answers in their chat. Therefore,

Town

I can kinda see it unless his partner is also new

VOTE: Knott

[usesPython]

I know I know I read the newbie game play thingy, and RVS is a thing... buuuuuut Python was very bandwagony following votes, not just against me but others as well.

Yeah that's intentional, we don't actually care who gets wagoned this early on so we just jump on whatever wagons are happening to make number go up and let the people with actual opinions duke it out until we have something to work with

[usesPython]

My personal rule of thumb is that getting voted for is a lot more stressful for scum (as they know the town is right and are worried that town has noticed a slip-up/some mistake) than it is for town (who knows they are town and knows guaranteed that the person voting them has made some form of mistake/misinterpretation that they can rectify).

That's actually why we're townreading Kittie

Gimli's pretty obvtown

I dunno... picking on the newb without so much as a "hi" seeeeeems kinda scummy imo

VOTE: Gimli

Referring to the vote as "picking on the newb" instead of worrying how

Hai!

This is my first ever game, on any site... please be gentle

would be scum indicative feels like she knows she's town and that therefore Gimli shouldn't have anything to scumread her for

[usesPython]

How come Knott's being voted #69-#70? Didn't both of you say you disagreed with VIP's reads? Or did you agree with the Black wagon point?

Mostly POE. Gimli/Kittie/VIP are in my townpool, I'm town, we're not gonna get anything from Comet/Black/DE wagons rn and I'm fine with letting Tim cook so that just leaves Knott

[usesPython]

You mean you don’t care? Why include the rest of us in that ‘we’? Of course it all depends on which ‘we’ you are referring to…. Is that a reasonable assumption?

We're plural, we use "we" to refer to ourselves as a system. Don't think we've used we in the "Python and another player" sense this game so far

[usesPython]

I wanted to make a readslist like the cool kids but I don't have any scumreads yet so it looks weird

Comet

Gimli
Python
VIP
DE70

Timmer
Afrayed
Kittie

Real townies scumread themselves

[usesPython]

I don't think pressure voting Knott is giving us anything on them

VOTE: Black do something interesting

[usesPython]

I don't think pressure voting Knott is giving us anything on them

VOTE: Black do something interesting

I think the opposite.
That's not a bad vote, though.

Knott seems like the type of player that doesn't handle pressure well and just ends up in a feedback loop of looking scummier and scummier regardless of their actual alignment

Am I the only one who thinks Dragon's #125 and #127 added very little relevant content to the game? (Please, please, someone tell me how to make a link out of a post number! I simply can't remember that!) I guess I'll have hard time reading him.

[ post ]125[ /post ] without the spaces

[usesPython]

I'm fully on board with the comet wagon

I have no opinion about a comet wagon

VOTE: Comet

[usesPython]

What if there was major mod error and everyone is town

[usesPython]

UNVOTE:

[usesPython]

We have no scumreads rn so we're just gonna start POEing

VOTE: Tim

[usesPython]

From my post, Python and Gimli seem to have a little something going on. feels like more than "we have played together vibes."

Pretty sure we've never played with Gimli before

[usesPython]

But reading Python is a little strange for me, like who is actually talking and how does this "we" work. Am I right is now understanding that there is more than one person on the other end of that keyboard?

One body, multiple people. You can treat it like a hydra I guess

[usesPython]

VOTE: usesPython

I keep reading filler imo

I just double-checked our posts, I disagree. Can you go more into this?

[usesPython]

Are people really metaing 7 year old games?

[usesPython]

Kittie I think you mentioned your partner plays here. Are you getting any coaching from them at all?

And where was that mentioned? In the Mafia PT?

Hai!

I'm Kitty!

I'm brand new, lured here by my partner. I'm reading a couple games to see what it's all about, and am looking forward to my first game and dipping my toes in for realz!

[usesPython]

I didn't like Kittie's 157.
I can only see two excuses for not being involved with real reads. (1) It's too early and (2) You're a new player.
Can anyone tell me whether Kittie's playing in this way all the time?

Why is not having reads 24 hours into the game scum indicative?

[usesPython]

Dragon, 217 and maybe everyone - you're the 3rd or 4th players with too-few-to-no scumreads. Is it only my mindset that has a different threshold on the concept "summy"?

We have a pretty low threshold day 1 where the only thing people need to do is give off a single townvibe, if everyone in the playerlist does that then we just sheep a strong townread that has Opinions^TM

[usesPython]

Scumhunting wise though I don't think anyone's given off a strong "This dude scum fr fr" vibe yet

Dragon/Gimli/Kittie/Python in the townpool

Comet/VIP get a pass

Black's good enough at scum that we're not catching her d1

Knott's the hard to read aggro type player that can get away with a lot as scum but that's not really scum indicative

Tim isn't really giving off townvibes but that could be due to my eyes glazing over when I see wallposts with no quotes

[usesPython]

VOTE: VIP

[usesPython]

VOTE: VIP

Yeah, after putting me on the "can pass", saying that Black was good enough as scum not to get caught on Day1, this deserves a thorough answer from me. Because of its lenght, it's best to format it like this:

Spoiler:

POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP!

Black's also a good enough town player that we're willing to let her cook

[usesPython]

Hey DE how much of Normal Idea Mafia did you read when you replaced in that game?

[usesPython]

Hey DE how much of Normal Idea Mafia did you read when you replaced in that game?

actually how much of it have you read in general

[usesPython]

Why you asking?

I'll answer anyway

Spoiler:

When I replaced, not a lot.

I read as much as I could which basically adds up to a summary of the claims, the start (page and a half maybe?) of Day 2 (or Day 3? - the one where the mafioso was voted out and Bianco was the first person to vote them), a bit of the day STD was voted out, and most of the VCs from Day 1 but zero actual content from it.

And obviously I read everything that happened after I repped in.

Yeah that's intentional, we don't actually care who gets wagoned this early on so we just jump on whatever wagons are happening to make number go up and let the people with actual opinions duke it out until we have something to work with

I don't think scum!Python posts this.

Being universally townread while basically openwolfing is pretty funny

Python: "yeah our cases are there exclusively to be townread"

Everyone else: "damn this dude town as hell"

I was gonna point out that we absolutely would openwolf like that and that we did and noted it day 1 that game but if you didn't read it then nvm

[usesPython]

No wait you read our Notes PT that game you should have seen our comment on that

My Notes PT.

Our Notes PT

Quoting these so that I will read them when I have time

Table of Contents

I'm impressed by you having a table of contents for a notes PT

[usesPython]

Yes, I did read a bit from your PT - that's where I took the term react YouTuber from, lol. But I don't really understand why is that important. Do you think it's alignment indicative for me to have missed something you said?

Nah I don't think forgetting is alignment indicative, we were mostly just posting that to see if you'd react with anything that isn't "I forgor "

[usesPython]

I think this is a gamestate in which town loses the majority of the time btw

What we really need right now is a funny flashwagon to shake up the game

[usesPython]

To add clarification to this, my partner plays else where with an experienced group. When I showed interest in wanting to play too, he directed me to this site because they have space for newbs to learn the ropes instead of jumping in cold to a game with a bunch of players who all know each other... which it seems I wasn't able to avoid.

lol that's actually unfortunate, but only 55% percent of us know each other, the other 44% are complete strangers.

(Hey Nameless [that's one of the people that compose Python], isn't my math both technically correct and extremely irritating at the same time?)

EBWOP

It's not technically correct because if you're rounding percentages then that should be 56%/44% or 55.6%/44.4% in the original

-Nameless

[usesPython]

VIP at E-1? Yep, it's funny flashwagon time

VOTE: VIP

[usesPython]

Was that a hammer? I literally just wrote a post saying we need proper discussion so we have valuable VCA

Flashwagons will never not be funny

If VIP's town he can write down his final thoughts or something I guess

[usesPython]

UNVOTE: VIP

what

Too late pal, it's already hammered

[usesPython]

Oh I'm an idiot

ngl we thought you were playing along

[usesPython]

smh ruining the hammer test like that

[usesPython]

okay I'll play along

kinda hate this post tbh

[usesPython]

I think Black was pretty townie during that hammer test

[usesPython]

No, it's just Python trolling. He'd been voting for me before the "hammer".

They

[usesPython]

Post-edit.

Wait, WHAT? I've been Eliminated?

No, it's just Python trolling. He'd been voting for me before the "hammer".

These two posts are made 50 seconds apart

[usesPython]

VIP gets -town points for prioritizing double checking the votes instead of writing down final thoughts

[usesPython]

I think it was yeah. He didn't even get the chance to claim lol

If VIP flips town I think DE70 and Python have the worst votes on the wagon

why was DEs vote any worse than gimli's?

[usesPython]

I think Kittie's town

[usesPython]

Who's scum, Python?

Also, because I want to join in: I think Python's town.

Probably at least one of VIP/Tim/Knott

[usesPython]

Python's hammer is really fucking weird wtf.

Wait
This is not a hammer it's a meme
lol.

UNVOTE:
Temporarily because I don't want more "memes" happening.

This 3 together sounds "fabricated" in my mind. I can't put my finger on it why, though.

DE always sounds performative, it's not really alignment indicative for him

[usesPython]

Python you wanted to generate content by jumping on wagons, didn't you? Let's do this.
VOTE: black
NOTE: DO NOT HAMMER BLACK OR YOU WILL BE POLICY LIMMED

So... you asked Python who they think the scum were. Python gave 3 names. You picked one of them - not even me who's closest to Elimination now -, then you launched a new wagon to E-1 it. The actual fork?

DE's the only person voting Black, she's not at E-1

[usesPython]

We're ok with a Gimli hero lim

[usesPython]

Python you wanted to generate content by jumping on wagons, didn't you? Let's do this.

VOTE: black

NOTE: DO NOT HAMMER BLACK OR YOU WILL BE POLICY LIMMED

I'm not interested in a Black wagon tbh

[usesPython]

It's come up twice now - what's the context/meaning of something being a hero lim (hero vig?) - is this a new lingo term I'm out of the times with?

It's when you lim/shoot a widely townread person and it's called that because everyone who makes a hero shot is a hero and will be treated as such by the rest of the community

[usesPython]

That was intense, can someone explain the purpose of feigning a elim?

To see how the people that fall for it react to it and also to see what the people that noticed it wasn't a real hammer do and also to see who noticed in the first place

[usesPython]

ngl I have no idea how we're supposed to read Tim/Knott/VIP without a vibe check and at this point in the game the focus on "X is scum" instead just vibing makes us think we're not gonna be able to sort them this game period

[usesPython]

Ok I'm at page 5 of doing a full reread to get a better read on Tim/Knott/VIP:

• Knott is absolutely spitting holy shit get him in the townpool
  
• I kinda really don't like any of VIP's posts
  
• Tim's in the danger zone of

  Our "ew" response tends to come from townposts, scumposts tend to have that headnod effect without ever giving off townvibes

  where he's probably the likeliest of the three to actually be scum

-A

[usesPython]

Page 10:
{Knott}
{Kittie}
{}
{VIP}
{Tim}

VOTE: Tim

-A

[usesPython]

I'll read the rest later, brain is mush rn

-A

[usesPython]

Still reading but

This I just don't get, why would you lim someone as they are a hard read

POE is a thing, if you have a good amount of townreads then a shrug exe on a null slot's pretty normal

-A

[usesPython]

Is it ok to point at current games to help people get a read on me?

Do not reference ongoing games

[usesPython]

Reread done

{Knott, Kittie}
{VIP}
{}
{Tim}

-A

[usesPython]

I legitimately think Tim has a pretty good chance of flipping red when you take into account both their play and the gamestate. Lot's of headnod without townvibes being in the background type posting in a game where no one has any real scumreads and people keep walling explains a lot about how we got here

-A

[usesPython]

Are people really metaing 7 year old games?

I found this interesting when they then went on to do the same thing...

I'll get into the rest of this stuff later but our problem wasn't with metaing games in general but with metaing old as hell games. Open 880 finished like a month ago it's recent as hell

-A

[usesPython]

I feel like python is playing a

good

game. solid stances, some thread control, relaxed and witty. A good game, but considering how what happened to timmer is what happened with every other LHF probable townie in the game (afrayed knott seems legitimate, so does kitty, for instance), then that means the scum, at least one of them, is doing exactly what python is doing. there are no scummy people left, so we have to look at who looks towny but doesnt

feel

very towny at all.

We feel town as fuck, what planet did you just fall out of

-A

[usesPython]

We don't have a problem with Tim lurking beyond its implications on the gamestate, our case on him is that when he

does

post thoughts it's stuff like

VIP did a group read on post 59. Most of their thoughts seem fine, I'm personally not willing to label individual posts as townie or scummy yet as I don't know the site meta, but the "things noticed" were indeed things to be noticed. I'm guessing that much of the tone about Gimli asking about masons is there to get a reaction response from Gimli, so I like that.

Null read overall.

In regards to Gimli, one thing I noticed was a major bit of self-awareness in posts 46 and 47. It was a "it is simply too early for trying to make cases" thing I guess but overly self-aware can sometimes be a scumread for me, so... noted.

I do find it interesting that you clearly grasp the idea of using votes to pressure people and then proceed to vote yourself. New scum players do tend to be a little scared of starting any conflicts so plays like that come across as a little people-pleasing and non-confrontational. Who's your biggest scumread right now?

As for the question though, generally speaking roleclaiming happens when someone is put at E-1 (one vote away from execution) and someone else announces an intent to hammer (cast the final executing vote) and they'll usually give a time-frame (e.g. "I'll hammer in 24 hours.") which gives the person on the gallows a chance to roleclaim so town avoids executing a PR.

I'm chuckling a bit because I just thought "oh, I should go remove that vote from myself" but then here's your post and now it would look reactionary, lol.

I'll do it anyway. UNVOTE: TimmerRC

Technically I'm only a newer player to this site's meta. It has been years since I played but back in the day I played a lot.

In terms of scumreads, the only thing I've got jotted down is that both Afrayed and Gimli seemed oddly defensive in tone in replying to people's thoughts against them considering it is all fluffy early game stuff.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: TimmerRC

I’m not defensive at all. But I don’t like you right now.

I agree with usespython in post 100 re: kitty, she reads as a first timer who doesn't seem to have built in self-awareness yet.

I'm realizing that even if it is early and mostly based on jokey things, that making scumreadlists and using/moving votes is an expected tool here, I'm not used to voting this early at ALL. (just read to #112, vip you touch directly on this, so bear with)

Afrayed in 117 he is just very absorbed about how he is being perceived in this game and working hard to define himself for us/to suggest that we see him as he wants us to see him, which I don't love.

Dragon #125, "What do you think about usesPython and Afrayed Knott? And what do you think about Comet?" I'm not loving Afrayed at all, and frankly let's just VOTE: Afrayed while I'm sitting on this vibe. I'll get back to you on the other two in a minute, I'm still getting used to reading a game that moves like this, keeping organized is an effing challenge, lol.

where none of it is

disagreeable

and you just nod your head but it never gives off town vibes

-A

[usesPython]

Like Black the overall vibe feels like the first newbie game we played with you where you were scum

-A

[usesPython]

Like Black the overall vibe feels like the first newbie game we played with you where you were scum

-A

I'm interested in this read. Go on

In the background and present but not memorable, but when you read the actual posts you see stuff that technically counts as content even though your brain skips over it

-A

[usesPython]

It falls off into full on lurking after the 200th-ish post but for the parts where he's actually playing that's the vibe I'm getting

-A

[usesPython]

In the background and present but not memorable, but when you read the actual posts you see stuff that technically counts as content even though your brain skips over it

Ok. What prompted this read?

wdym?

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[usesPython]

In the background and present but not memorable, but when you read the actual posts you see stuff that technically counts as content even though your brain skips over it

Ok. What prompted this read?

wdym?

-A

What in particular made you feel this way?

The whole ISO? I don't really get this

-A

[usesPython]

I'm trying to figure out if this read is real or if you're throwing it out now to discredit me after I voted for you

Like if you've felt this way about me why did you wait until now to say something?

I'm saying Tim this game feels like Black in Newbie 2111

-A

[usesPython]

Quick follow up to my earlier post about being overwhelmed... I had signed up for this thinking it was in a way a newbie game, which to my mind meant it would be a bit more low key, is.... this... what is considered simple and straightforward on this site, lol?

Like, the level of posting and the sheer amount of words in what is essentially nothing? Is this a quieter game by the site's standards?

Day 1 in micros tend to be 20-50 pages long depending on the playerlist

-A

[usesPython]

@python, you were vote-crazy in the early stage of the game, 10 of the first 31 votes were from you, 32% of them. And you were placing votes consistently through your posts, never making more than 9 posts between voting changes. But then you pulled back from voting, it seems.

From the moment you voted VIP (for real, not the hammer gambit), you made 30 posts in the game before moving your vote to me, and since that point you've made 15 posts without moving it again. And only one of the last 20 votes (5%) in the game was from you.

Are you moving away from RVS?

Yeah at this point we're using our vote to get people limmed instead of using it to get people to be readable

[usesPython]

I like Tim's recent posts but if I throw him to the townpool we're back to having no real strong scumreads again. I think we're probably just gonna shrug exe anyone that pinged us today at this point

Black get better reads so we can sheep you

-A

[usesPython]

Not willing to vote Kittie/Knott today period, probably won't vote DE/Black/Comet, leaves Gimli/Tim/VIP

-A

[usesPython]

Is A short for Alice (from your sig)?

Yep

-A

[usesPython]

593 gives me genuine townie frustration vibes, though I guess Timmer would probably be frustrated as scum here too

I don't think the frustration is alignment indicative, I think it's pretty natural to get upset there and feel like you're not getting a fair shake

-A

[usesPython]

oh spicy

VOTE: Gimli

-A

[usesPython]

I've got a tinfoil I'm keeping close to our chest for a little bit

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[usesPython]

I feel like limming inside Gimli/Black/Comet/DE is significantly more likely to hit red than Knott/Kittie/Tim/VIP

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[usesPython]

2. I think you are wrong on Timmer being "classic newbtown". Unfortunately I am phone posting and tired so you don't get links, but please go check patchwork's and OMIGRON's ISO's in newbie 2112 or even Comet's, and compare to Timmer's ISO here.
Then have a look at elpis's ISO in newbie 2114 (elpis was scum) and also compare it to Timmer here. Please tell me which ISO Timmer feels most similar to.

I think it's a bit futile to compare newbie meta, no? Isn't the whole point of newbies that they're new and not going to have any kind of pre-existing meta to work with?

I disagree, I think you can slot newbies within a few specific archetypes and read them pretty accurately

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[usesPython]

I feel like Tim's case is more likely to be accurate and also more likely to come from scum compared to kittie

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[usesPython]

I feel like Tim's case is more likely to be accurate and also more likely to come from scum compared to kittie

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If you think Tim's case is more likely to be accurate then why are you voting for Gimli instead of DE70?

I can see Gimli being scum but not for the reasons Kittie pointed out is my point

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[usesPython]

Whereas with Tim's case I can see where he's coming from but don't think the DE scumcase is enough to push me from the inertia of feeling good about DE

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[usesPython]

I'm stuck because the two top suspects forming in my head rn feel like they don't really fit as a scumteam. Hmmmm...

Who cares about full partner solves d1. Find scum, lim scum, solve the game from there

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[usesPython]

d1 is basically just a search for the weak link on the scumteam so that you can unravel the game from there

-A

[usesPython]

Can these weak links materialise already

The absence of weak links is also informative

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[usesPython]

Ps I just realized I was doing the spoiler thing wrong.

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[usesPython]

What does "pocket someone" mean? I've been struggling with that one all game.

It's when scum buddy up with a townie to not get voted by that townie

[usesPython]

idk how I feel about Tim going from

My problem is that my traditional scum-hunting route is to ignore day 1, which is usually fluff, and wait for an elim, which in my mafia world usually was within the first 48 hours. Once that happened and then a night 1 death went through or didn't, I would start to analyze how people talked to each other, how they voted and most importantly when, and in what order. I'd look to find where the scum were hidden in voting patterns etc.

But this game so far, I don't see how I can really provide a read yet, because everything that everyone is saying is completely plausible as both town and scum, if they are good players. A good player can EASILY be scum and post pro-townie, ESPECIALLY on day 1. So when you guys are asking me for my thoguhts, I have none because I've got NOTHING that feels truly scummy to point to. Any of the posts made in this game up to now could easily be either alignment.

to actually being active and useful

[usesPython]

idk how I feel about Tim going from

to actually being active and useful

I have no idea wtf in supposed to say to this. This is the same bullshit I got from Afrayed. So I'll go back to saying nothing, this site is infuriating.

I mean I like the posts it's just that it feels kinda coached when 507 exists. We don't actually feel strongly enough about it to go there today though and actually do wanna see you post more like this

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[usesPython]

I feel like limming inside Gimli/Black/Comet/DE is significantly more likely to hit red than Knott/Kittie/Tim/VIP

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But, but, but it was like this not so long before:

Not willing to vote Kittie/Knott today period, probably won't vote DE/Black/Comet, leaves Gimli/Tim/VIP

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What happened?

595 are individual reads, 614 is a gamestate read

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[usesPython]

Forgive my ignorance, what is AtE?

Appeal to Emotion

[usesPython]

DE feels like tryharding scum cause he is boring me and he is not boring

This doesn't feel like scum!DE tbh

[usesPython]

Black wagon is spicy but we're not really interested in going there rn

[usesPython]

Also Gimli is at e-1

I'm down to hammer scum

VOTE: Gimli

[usesPython]

If I had a nickle for every time I had to pause and check votes to see if Python just hammered...

It's pretty funny ngl

[usesPython]

I'm not interested in a Kittie lim tbh

Same

[usesPython]

DE feels like tryharding scum cause he is boring me and he is not boring

This doesn't feel like scum!DE tbh

Can you elaborate on this?

DE here feels different enough compared to Weird Dreams Redux that we're willing to give him a pass

[usesPython]

Like scum!DE can't scumcase that well without just sheeping or going "vibes", him actually tryhard casing here doesn't fit what we'd expect from scum!DE

[usesPython]

Well Gimli claimed Scum

That was pretty clearly a joke

[usesPython]

Huh? I thought if you a lim’d you had to claim your alignment? Or am I missing something?

It was a fake hammer

I can't believe people fell for it twice

[usesPython]

Huh? I thought if you a lim’d you had to claim your alignment? Or am I missing something?

It was a fake hammer

Oh ffs, stop with the fake hammers please…

Ok, next one will be real

[usesPython]

We're fine with Gimli and Tim wagons, and we're willing to go with a spicy Black wagon if it becomes needed. Zero interest in Knott/Kittie/Comet wagons rn

[usesPython]

Question: why is python going after the more experienced players and not the newbies? is it to make the game easier later?

We're not? We've got a mix of both in our townpool (Kittie/Knott/Comet) and scumpool (Gimli/VIP/Tim)

[usesPython]

We're fine with Gimli and Tim wagons, and we're willing to go with a spicy Black wagon if it becomes needed. Zero interest in Knott/Kittie/Comet wagons rn

Add VIP to this btw, kinda forgot he existed

[usesPython]

Like scum!DE can't scumcase that well without just sheeping or going "vibes", him actually tryhard casing here doesn't fit what we'd expect from scum!DE

I'm not familiar with DE's scum game but I feel like it would make perfect sense for him to go into tryhard mode after people suspected him of doing what he normally does as scum

Our point was that even when he was bussing mafia for towncred as part of his 3rd party wincon he couldn't make a compelling case, I straight up think his play here is outside his scumrange

[usesPython]

Too lazy to check if Gimli claimed so I'll just pit this down:

intent to hammer

Im vt

I think its kittie and one of black/de

hammer away <3

Will you wagon Black with me then?

If you're not gonna hammer on a VT claim then it's not intent to hammer

[usesPython]

Black if you think that I should have issues with people townreading you, why don't you have issues with them yourself? Do you think the townreads on you are pure?
Because I still think you are actively lurking and not contributing and honestly Python is right that this is scum indicative.

1. We never said Black was active lurking this game?
2. If you think someone is scum and they're getting townread a lot then yeah that should be dropping ???'s in your noggin

[usesPython]

DE I kinda think you're tunnelling on Black and that her alignment is independent of your case here, can you leave her for later when we have more flips to work with?

[usesPython]

Like I don't think the DE/Black fight is productive and it feels decently OMGUS fuelled

[usesPython]

DE I kinda think you're tunnelling on Black and that her alignment is independent of your case here, can you leave her for later when we have more flips to work with?

Okay can you give me an alternative wagon to work with then?

Because I'm TR'ing you and Gimli and IDK who to vote.

I still think Gimli's scum but we can do a lazy Tim/VIP wagon if you want?

[usesPython]

I still think Gimli's scum but we can do a lazy Tim/VIP wagon if you want?

Can you sell me on scum!Gimli?

Probably not in a way that'd be convincing to you given that our Gimli read has a good amount of OMGUS and tinfoil. The 514 push felt extremely wack and I think the gamestate we're in is consistent with Gimli being scum here. Also don't think that claiming VT was particularly town indicative given that if his teammate is someone in a weak position like Black or Tim then going for the cc instead of playing for 5p ELO probably just straight up loses him the game

[usesPython]

I'll make yours public. I meant to offer that right after I posted the flip!

If anyone else would like to share their private notes thread, let me know and I'll make it so!

We're fine with our notes PT being public, no redactions