Open 883 - Swinger's Hall

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ari might be scum but i'm gonna just not push my partner this early sorry

klick's push there i do find weird

ydrasse is conftown

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2. you dressed up your thought in thesaurus words for an undetermined reason

ok is this scummy though

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VOTE: klick (e-2)

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UNVOTE: i'm a sucker for "i have thoughts that i don't feel like sharing"

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So his read on me that I'm posting "unnaturally" when I interrogate Klick is pretty bizarre to me considering he's seen me do it to himself.

this seems like a towny-biased post, i could definitely see it just feeling different to cakez but town is less likely to see that as a possibility

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So his read on me that I'm posting "unnaturally" when I interrogate Klick is pretty bizarre to me considering he's seen me do it to himself.

this seems like a towny-biased post, i could definitely see it just feeling different to cakez but town is less likely to see that as a possibility

I think Cakez has a pretty vivid memory of when I pushed him back when he decided to tunnel me on D1 since he made it pretty clear in the thread he found it painful so I don't see why he would forget the experience and believe my posting here is any different. It's such a nonspecific comment that I find it hard to believe as coming from a unagenda'd perspective.

i mean whether or not it is any different, a townie could feel like it is, and cakez makes posts like that all the time as both alignments.

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i think eliminating the scummiest pair is better than no limming. like we can still force scummy players to pair up tomorrow, but we should also lim someone today.

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oh I think ari is right actually

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Nolim is lame and I'd rather not do it. I agree with Dannflor that even if mechanically optimal in an ideal world, the effect it'd have on the gamestate would ultimately give us less info and it'd be at best neutral overall (plus we waste a week of time waiting around)

i don't agree that we don't get info from no limming d1. like, we already got info and reads and stuff. i guess i'm ok with limming though

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I think everyone voting for no-lim understands that it entails eliminating me/klick as the first pair gone.

I guess if it's important we can also do some kind of psuedo-voting?

like every player may vote for any number of other players. at the end of seven days we commit to eliminating the two highest voted players as in everyone will pair up with each other except for them and they will necessarily be cast into the cold.

i'm really not interested in limming you/klick, i'd much prefer the second idea

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aristeia i think is probably town but also probably has to die w klick because of the dance game meta (imo when someone insists on being killed w someone etc you have to force their hand there because it’s really easy to get away with it because mafia would value their life more, i do this a lot.) i’d be maybe amenable to not killing her though because i like her push and getting receipts etc. it’s a problem

what if we all agree not to townread her for the valuing her life reason and instead townread her for other reasons

VOTE: ydrasse i got a gut read from when i was lying awake in bed and those reads are op

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i have a tendency to think that people when they’re mafia wouldn’t do things that i think are bad or poor play like getting really flustered or giving weird answers to things that could be easily avoided but it’s often too much leeway and it backfires

ok but in your heart do you think klick plays like this as scum

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i have to weight that against asking to die though which makes things annoying

i guess i'm saying i think it should be null, even that is cautious cause i think town does that kind of thing more often anyway. but w/e

cakez tone is a bit off but that could be explained by him feeling shitty. strangely he doesn't feel freeflowing to me like klick said but he also doesn't seem like he's trying to control the agenda

drew and yessiree i got some townvibes from

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explaining my reads in my loneliness

aristeia i think is probably town but also probably has to die w klick because of the dance game meta (imo when someone insists on being killed w someone etc you have to force their hand there because it’s really easy to get away with it because mafia would value their life more, i do this a lot.) i’d be maybe amenable to not killing her though because i like her push and getting receipts etc. it’s a problem
klick i think is being weird i think that it would be pretty simple to answer a lot of things esp early on but he reads as evasive to me. maybe it’s because he’s been in the defensive for almost this entire hame but from experience he’s more open and responsive
i think dann is being pretty gracious as town in a way he wouldn’t be probably as mafia i think this is a read i could rescind because it’s early enough to pivot away later but meh
infinity should maybe be yellow in the same way drew is yellow (but townlean bc he had a little progression on ari that i kind of like) but i didn’t like their post and vote and then back off

everyone else is yellow because i don’t have much thoughts there

this is not the real reason ydra is scum but look at all the hedging that's here. and especially leaving open trying to kill ari/klick i don't like.

also hi ydra how are you

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you're mafia because my gut said so at 2 am lying in bed. im dead serious :)

i think you should probably know i flipflop a lot but it's been a while since we last played and i don't wanna be that person who is like "you should know i'm town here" which i maybe have been in the past.

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i mean it is understandable to be frustrated with a read like that. fwiw, i'm less confident you're scum than i was last night.

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Soooo i kind of think alisae is a wolf here

I iso'd drew to try and find why ali thinks drew has to be a wolf on like page 9 and drew's iso is like exactly as meh as I remembered it.

I understand the pov of ''well scum want ari and klick to suicide mutually maybe" but Alisae was talking about how ari is scummy earlier for reasons that were equally ??? to me - I don't think ari's push on klick was like very difficult to understand personally - and like. They were pushing both ari and klick as suspects, while also voting for no elimination. What result of this, precisely, are they anticipating?

I also think the cakez read is like, ok yeah sure Cakez is scummyish but i don't think he's controlling the game or even trying to and it just came off to me as :neutral:

I remember reading team mafia where iirc ali was scum and just like went all out with wild push stuff and didn't try to make sense or whatever and just let people townread the chaos? So I'm inclined to just take all this as face value.

I kinda like this read tbh

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the difference being im using mine to try to discern alignment of another player, but u were using yours to guess how you are going to be perceived by others, this distinction is significant and imo alignment indicative in ur case

I think it is very silly to assume town would not do this

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why ausuka

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thats fair yeah. I mean that post was the most of what I got wrt her alignment and I liked and agreed with it so

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do you scumread ydra?

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dann keeps posting surface level town things that I don't get town vibes from and I want to scumread that

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@dann I think these were the posts that townpinged me

who's scum drew

Leaning you, but I don't mind letting you cook. Like I said you are just different than I have seen.

I don't get the situation around Klick.

Wouldn't be surprised if scum lies in the lurkers so far.....short day phase, there actually is reason to hang back if town is fucking itself.

I'm fine with people scumhunting more

I am just saying if you believe my case on Klick or you believe I am mafia - I think it makes sense for you to let the clock run the 7 days and then I can exit with Klick.

I will be honest, I was crunching the numbers trying to figure out a scum motivation from you here.

I don't think there really is one.

You have my vote....err, lack of vote I mean.

VOTE: No Lim

drew feels relaxed and natural

what is a preemptive offensive play

and why is it not really needed

What do the two of you think I might mean by what I said

you doubled down and then tripled down on an rvs OMGUSing you, you didn't exactly leave a lot of wiggle room to give you any benefit of the doubt?

cakez immediately coming to the defense of Klick just screams scum tactic strongarming the conflict and trying to take control of the narrative

I liked the aggressiveness here, felt like he had conviction

they weren't particularly strong reads. if you know drew better than me I could outsource my read there if you flip town or I end up townreading you or w/e

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dann keeps posting surface level town things that I don't get town vibes from and I want to scumread that

I am not reading his current stuff as surface level but that could be because it is very close to what I'm already thinking

sorry, I don't think it's surface level, I think it's surface-level-towny. like it's analysis (tm) but it doesn't feel towny to me

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Anyway when I said 'I align with Dann' I didn't mean that I think we share an alignment (though that's also where I'm at atm)
I meant that I find myself in a very similar headspace

He seems to have an accurate read on my actions as well

Dann's been trying to kill you for the last two days and he only switched direction after the momentum died down and the thread direction changed

He switched direction after he (accurately) saw a shift in my own posting that felt genuine to him

I've gotten into a groove tonight and he's picked up on it and felt it was towny

It was a response to a change in the thread

this is such a townpost imo

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@Infinity

From my experience (or at least my memory of meta-ing him recently) Drew aims to seem relaxed as scum, and kind of doesn't really come off that way naturally when he's town

Plenty of things can affect how relaxed someone is/wants to present as, but I at least want to flag that appearing relaxed is entirely within Drew's scum range/how he would consider approaching a scum game

I haven't seen drew's scum game, he normally feels relaxed to me as town. but I'll keep this in mind

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this is such a townpost imo

the excitement about someone else correctly identifying him as town just bleeds through here. and the "I got into a groove" it just really strongly feels like klick believes they were acting townie where I don't think scum would.

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for some reason i am very confident klick is town

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dann is town I think

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i think dann convinced me on yessiree

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But it is all here, I misremembered thinking you said I can change my meta, but it was this last paragraph is what I was referring to. Like, what exactly would you consider relaxed and how can you ascertain that when you first admit that I basically had little to no content......which also isn't true since I did interact with Ari as I said

ugh i think this is important so

drew still I don't understand why you think this is scummy? I was the one who brought up that you felt relaxed. is it just that they were wrong about your meta before and decided to push you with meta anyway?

@klick why did you townread scum!drew in the game y'all keep referencing, and why do you think you were wrong?

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@drew did you miss 485

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@drew did you miss 485

I did and I didn't, read it but got caught up with Klick and the slip thing lol.

But yes, their meta read on me is full of holes and doesn't make sense. Like I said, it is like they said they are going to push me as scum, and then try to connect dots after the fact.

what are the holes though

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i agree with dann that it's rare for scum to just pull shit out of their ass but that kinda feels like what drew is doing here

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VOTE: yessiree/drew

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i think it's towny that dann is constructing these worlds and scenarios without much regard to how likely they will seem to anyone else

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i have asked you repeatedly for where and how klick is pulling shit out of their ass and you still have not responded to that

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ok thank you.

@klick do you disagree that drew was not relaxed in that game

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ugh

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sorry drew

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any reads you have especially on ausuka alisae dann would be helpful

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why?

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yes~

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:(

VOTE: ydrasse

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VOTE: alisae

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oh