Open 880 - Normal Idea Mafia - Postgame

[heipizhu4]

First time playing in a large game, and not_mafia's post looks like a mafia who is trying to act like a jester
VOTE: not_mafia

[heipizhu4]

First time playing in a large game, and not_mafia's post looks like a mafia who is trying to act like a jester
VOTE: not_mafia

Also Jester is explicitly non-normal so even if for some reason they didn't check what roles got posted they'd still know there can't be a Jester. Why do you think NM is scum trying to act like Jester?

Hey, it's just a rvs joke, i know jester isn't on the deck (nor normal).

[heipizhu4]

Nothing serious tbh.

[heipizhu4]

40 was a bit towny

Why would you consider 40 towny?

[heipizhu4]

First time playing in a large game, and not_mafia's post looks like a mafia who is trying to act like a jester
VOTE: not_mafia

Also Jester is explicitly non-normal so even if for some reason they didn't check what roles got posted they'd still know there can't be a Jester. Why do you think NM is scum trying to act like Jester?

Hey, it's just a rvs joke, i know jester isn't on the deck (nor normal).

Oh we read it as serious

Sorry for that, I'll make my random vote more 'random' next time

[heipizhu4]

I have a feeling I got wagoned whenever I tried to push the game out of rvs as town ...

[heipizhu4]

Spoiler: Warning: quote wall ahead

First time playing in a large game, and not_mafia's post looks like a mafia who is trying to act like a jester
VOTE: not_mafia

Also Jester is explicitly non-normal so even if for some reason they didn't check what roles got posted they'd still know there can't be a Jester. Why do you think NM is scum trying to act like Jester?

Hey, it's just a rvs joke, i know jester isn't on the deck (nor normal).

Nothing serious tbh.

40 was a bit towny

Why would you consider 40 towny?

First time playing in a large game, and not_mafia's post looks like a mafia who is trying to act like a jester
VOTE: not_mafia

Also Jester is explicitly non-normal so even if for some reason they didn't check what roles got posted they'd still know there can't be a Jester. Why do you think NM is scum trying to act like Jester?

Hey, it's just a rvs joke, i know jester isn't on the deck (nor normal).

Oh we read it as serious

VOTE: skygazer

That's... not a joke
Wow, are we really out of rvs this fast

This gives bad vibes

feels uncomfortable and over defensive

You can also be town for now

VOTE: heip

I have a feeling I got wagoned whenever I tried to push the game out of rvs as town ...

I have a feeling I got wagoned whenever I tried to push the game out of rvs as town ...

We're voting you cause the vibes are off

Liking my vote more here tbh

Like there's an implicit assumption that the wagon is pure that I think is +scum

VOTE: python
There is no such assumption, implicit or otherwise.
Like, this is a perfectly valid argument as long as one doesn't pay mind on the unsoundness of the premise that it asserts, that I think is +scum

I have a feeling I got wagoned whenever I tried to push the game out of rvs as town ...

He's still got his vote on NM from rvs and hasn't pushed anyone, wtf are you talking about

Like all of biancos town!heip theories are like alternate explanation stuff that'd come to mind if you start from the position that heip is town and then run the mindset from there

Lol. I'd like to hear what those "theories" of mine might be.

Beside just not accepting that heip's tmi'ing

which, yknow, the onus is really on you on that as far as I'm concerned, you are the one with the claim

That's the entire reason we're calling you scum here:

The town perspective:

• I don't know heip's alignment
  
• heip's complaining about getting wagoned but also not voting or pushing or interacting with anyone on his wagon
  
• therefore it's reasonable to assume heip thinks his wagon is pure
  
• therefore the people pushing him could be town

The scum perspective:

• I know heip is town
  
• heip's complaining about getting wagoned but also not voting or pushing or interacting with anyone on his wagon
  
• since heip is town that means he thinks the wagon is NAI
  
• therefore I can counterwagon the people pushing him for towncred

I don't like python's reasoning here, 128 explained the reason why python considered me as scum after 89, however, it didn't explain why they considered players being town for scumreading me in 76. As you know, the same gut feeling on someone doesn't guarantee both of town.

[heipizhu4]

UNVOTE: usesPython
VOTE: heipizhu4

Sketchy fellow.

Could you explain elaborate your votes? You've had 3 'naked' votes, are they all simple rvs votes or...?

Like he didn't even ask questions to try to figure out if there's scum motivation for voting him, he just immediately went "yeah ok". How is that not implicitly assuming the wagon is pure?

When you put it that way, it does track actually; after all, clearly nobody would ever see a wagon on themselves and just think that's a nai thing on the voters' side, right?

I have a feeling I got wagoned whenever I tried to push the game out of rvs as town ...

Oh, oh, wait, what's this? Is this heip aknowledging they get wagoned every time they do a thing? And so there need not be a specific ai motivation for such a wagon to form? Well then.

Well, since I'm somehow bad at joking with others during rvs and got wagoned by others due to 'gut feelings' (and it happened in quantum mafia and some irl games). It's like 50% there's a scum on my early wagon, and 50% it's just tvt.

[heipizhu4]

VOTE: usesPython

[heipizhu4]

for some reason we felt like this would get hashed out already but

40 was a bit towny

Why would you consider 40 towny?

what were you hoping to get from this question? what did you get from it?

do you have reads on anyone on your wagon?

-ash

Well, literally nothing. I'm simply hoping I can advance this game by asking 'semi-valid' questions.

STD and SkyGazer, after checking their meta, are basically early day 'lurkers' in large games. So currently NAI on them.
I've got a slight townlean on UNO, though.

Not sure about python, if python enter this game using an alt account, I'd probably townlean them, but 70 makes me hesitate.

heip, why vote python, do you think theyre fabricating the bianco read?

I haven't had really many thoughts about this my apologies

Mostly OMGUS, but not sinply voting back. As mentioned in 134, I don't like the reasoning and I haven't had a read on someone outside my wagon, so...

Not sure though, gimme some time to rethink (I just got up and found the prodding time is near)

[heipizhu4]

Could you explain elaborate your votes? You've had 3 'naked' votes, are they all simple rvs votes or...?

My thinking is similar to what MT posted earlier. Initially I thought python was making something out of nothing but then you posted this which I don't like:

I have a feeling I got wagoned whenever I tried to push the game out of rvs as town ...

"Woe is me" type posts are generally no bueno but also this doesn't look consistent with your earlier claim that the Not_Mafia vote wasn't serious.

Post 62 is where I try to move the game forward, not 60

[heipizhu4]

Not sure about python, if python enter this game using an alt account, I'd probably townlean them, but 70 makes me hesitate.

What do you mean by this

Sorry, I mean 79.

[heipizhu4]

I was just trying to figure out what actually formed the Aureal wagon, but it looks like this:

VOTE: Aureal

Here is the first vote. @hem Would you like to explain why did you vote there?

The second voter is python

Aureal quit lurking in the scum PT and go post already

VOTE: Aureal

rvs vote? Nope, explained here..

Aureal quit lurking in the scum PT and go post already

VOTE: Aureal

Like we see you posting in the song contest thread, where the heck are your townposts like

I'm guessing that your serious vote is because WhemeStar did confirm, unlike others who were slow to post?

or

I have no idea what Rautherdir is trying to say here and I'm starting to wonder if there's really something to the idea that he's trying to muddle things to avoid town getting confirmed innocents from the nightmare.

Then goes the wagon

VOTE: Aureal

i agree

VOTE: Aureal

Then python is calling on others to join the voting 298

The meta thing may be true, but the willingness python pushed is wierd (or should I do a meta check again) and I personally don't like the idea of voting a d1 lurker in a large game (but in case that we have to flip someone, I can still hammer)

[heipizhu4]

heip what do you think of my iso

and yes im just asking that to get you to look at my posts that explain my vote

Nah, not that good if you ask. Slightly scumlean to neutral zone if I'm going with the vibes.

Not sure about python, if python enter this game using an alt account, I'd probably townlean them, but 70 makes me hesitate.

What do you mean by this

Sorry, I mean 79.

Still don't get it

heip can we get a response to this btw

My logic here is that:
>Your iso looks towny
>However, one of your scum game ISO looks as towny as this game
>So, a simple vibe may not work on you
>So, I hesitate

[heipizhu4]

Prod dodge. VLA till tomorrow.

[heipizhu4]

Back from vla now. Now trying to catch up the game before I go to sleep.

[heipizhu4]

My logic here is that:
>Your iso looks towny
>However, one of your scum game ISO looks as towny as this game
>So, a simple vibe may not work on you
>So, I hesitate

Drew's saying the exact opposite, we're always scummy to him but we also keep on flipping town and the one scumgame he played with us was multiball where we were actually pushing our scumreads

Well, I see. That's why we got confused about this lol.

[heipizhu4]

@python You've been wagonshopping for a while, if you have a vig shot, who would you like to shot?

[heipizhu4]

We've got a new hammerer!

[heipizhu4]

Ahhh, 3 NM dancing here is making reads even harder lol

[heipizhu4]

Nah, let's focus on the game for now. The deadline is approaching.

[heipizhu4]

@heip - did you catch up?

Mostly catch up now.

[heipizhu4]

So monkey is e-2, uno is e-3 right?
UNO are you there?
VOTE: UNO

[heipizhu4]

Idk if there is enough time for is to build a aureal wagon, let me know if you guys would like to do so.

[heipizhu4]

VOTE: Aureal

[heipizhu4]

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