Open 878: Scarfolk Council | The End

[Andante]

If we have a serial killer, pretty sure it's implosion based on how he's playing, it reads to me as like "hey! tr me!!! look at my effort" and sk not knowing scum team? easy to do this

[Andante]

Alianna is likely scum

[Andante]

hmm Aisa is also scummy, scummier than alianna

[Andante]

wow so exciting

Thanks. Limited edition Aisa is, indeed, even more exciting than normal Aisa. <3

I am around now.
…exceptionally.
for two minutes until I thwack my head onto a pillow again.

HI AISA

Hi ^^

DID YOU ROLL SK?

OMG YES!! WE BOTH ROLLED SK? There’s like a 1/676 chance of that, wow, that’s so rare

these posts feel like scum just going for the "im friendly!! don't vote me" card

[Andante]

If we have a serial killer, pretty sure it's implosion based on how he's playing, it reads to me as like "hey! tr me!!! look at my effort" and sk not knowing scum team? easy to do this

how do you distinguish this from town solving?

cause it's less than 100 posts in and implosion is trying like super hard, it just screams sk to me

[Andante]

Well I mean, kind of but not really. sheep is town for 40 being the kind of thing town would try to do early and that I think would be a less natural remark for scum to make. Invis is town specifically for wagoning off "gut pingss" being a slightly brazen thing for scum to do. I also kind of want to call the "don't eat wagons" banter townish just for idk, natural banter in thread on page 2.

like, I saw something from sheep, went "sheep sus" but here imposion is all "TOWN" like, it's way too early to be declaring people town.. unless you're sk like "ok cool, not scum, I'm gonna win some town points" cause sk only really needs to read for scum, versus us town are like "uhhh sk and scum are something that exists"

[Andante]

ok i hate all of andante's takes

nice!

[Andante]

maybe we're just reading different games

[Andante]

p sure I caught one already VOTE: alianna

always scum

so like, do you have any idea how many votes are there currently?

[Andante]

like mena, did you just toss alianna on e-1? and not say anything to speed hammer this? cause all I see are lots of votes there already...

[Andante]

If we have a serial killer, pretty sure it's implosion based on how he's playing, it reads to me as like "hey! tr me!!! look at my effort" and sk not knowing scum team? easy to do this

how do you distinguish this from town solving?

cause it's less than 100 posts in and implosion is trying like super hard, it just screams sk to me

how is expressing two light townreads with small reasons trying too hard? That's to be expected in the first hundred posts lol

we don't have to agree, I'm just saying, from my experience, implosion screams sk right now

[Andante]

no clue, I just see a lot of votes, and mena's timing seems odd.. feels like it's an e-1 vote too.. just based on how mena voted

[Andante]

nah wasn't e-1, was e-2, but still.. like I had just said alianna scummy, so ehhh I don't like that vote from mena

[Andante]

p sure I caught one already VOTE: alianna

always scum

also like, alianna isn't even talking?? how did you catch alianna?

I like how skitter/invis commented on what I was saying, but mena just ignored my takes

[Andante]

exaggerated andante? is that town!andante?

[Andante]

andante why are u even lookign for an sk rn

I wasn't, but that post from implosion felt cereal-y so I was like, yoooo "i think this"

[Andante]

p sure I caught one already VOTE: alianna

always scum

also like, alianna isn't even talking?? how did you catch alianna?

I like how skitter/invis commented on what I was saying, but mena just ignored my takes

you're caught up right?

yeah? what up? I have all the rvs locked in my brain!

[Andante]

also, I recently started a new job, so like, I'm either going to be here a LOT.. or barely, soooo good luck!

[Andante]

you have me town off the same meta people are SRing me for? feels like you're writing me off as town too early tbh

[Andante]

like.. I hate "andante town cause meta" like, explain it, what specifically am I doing that you tr?

here I'll start, I would town lean andante cause she's trying to make reads and explain them.

wow. a much better reason than just "meta" cause I can sit here and just go "well all my reads are off meta, so sheep me if I die" like, reads you give need more than just "meta" cause that's like "just trust me on it" which like, I need your reasoning behind it...

[Andante]

Also, I don't understand like 1 word from whatever you're trying to say here

I'm not willing to townlean anyone on the basis of "has reads" but I guess I won't complain about it too much.

this stuff felt slightly wolf to me at surface level.

"I won't complain about it too much" just feels like a wolf perspective in a way that I could see alianna slipping up. either about some correct townreads or wanting to get townread herself for an active start

the idea of town complaining about some page 2 reads just doesnt make sense to me, even if u disagree with the reads. what I would expect town to do is like, evaluate implosion's alignment based on that, which doesn't happen; this post also assumes implosion town in a +0.05% wolf way


idk ive been back and forth on this

[Andante]

it's a light thing cuz I like to force out nonzero reads rn lol

like I wouldnt even try to convince other people of it or anything

"writing off as town" is a bit strong

well you're obviously saying that right now, you think I'm more likely to be town than scum, and you're just going "cause meta"
so I asked for the clarification, like what specific posts, what exactly it was I did, and you're just like "I didn't write you off as town" ok, I know we all have different definitions of tr/whatnot, but you are saying I'm out of null, and leaning town... and now you can't point it out?

I am the worst player to only read off meta. so I want to know what meta you're confident in here to not SR me, but instead have me leaning towards being town

[Andante]

idk u just feel like the other games I played with u

the way u are forming reads + the way u are asserting them, I believe this is u genuinely trying to solve the game

and like not caring about how appeasing it is. ppl find it wolfy but doesn't affect you

the wolfgames I briefly skimmed I could see like more effort to be amenable to people interacting with them + generally milder assertions

but in the games ive played with ppl they were also like "this is NAI for andante, that is NAI for andante" so I wouldnt let this take me past like, page 10

ok cool thanks, this answers my above lol

[Andante]

sorry I'm just like, people saying I'm town and meta in the same sentence? I'm calling it out cause you can literally find any kind of game from me to prove whatever "meta" you're trying to prove.. plus I'm like obviously town here so... no free passes to tr me!

[Andante]

but in the games ive played with ppl they were also like "this is NAI for andante, that is NAI for andante" so I wouldnt let this take me past like, page 10

this feels like you're leaving that opening to walk back that town lean you have on me.. like, when you see people pushing me, you have that door wide open to vote me and go "oh lol meta isn't reliable here"

[Andante]

kinda wanna vote sheep... but sheep is at least interacting with me, so meh. I hate the votes on me. I feel like I'm the towniest one here by far

[Andante]

I feel like he's~ ~present and thinking abt the game

so that makes invis town? yet I'm present and thinking about the game, but you think I'm scum?

[Andante]

sorry I'm just like, people saying I'm town and meta in the same sentence? I'm calling it out cause you can literally find any kind of game from me to prove whatever "meta" you're trying to prove.. plus I'm like obviously town here so... no free passes to tr me!

You think you're obviously town here?

facts

[Andante]

but in the games ive played with ppl they were also like "this is NAI for andante, that is NAI for andante" so I wouldnt let this take me past like, page 10

this feels like you're leaving that opening to walk back that town lean you have on me.. like, when you see people pushing me, you have that door wide open to vote me and go "oh lol meta isn't reliable here"

idk yea I was sorta explicitly walking it back lol, like "theoretically if u did nothing I find towny after this, then it would go straight back to null soon cuz im so unconfident"

the intention was mostly to try to get things going by expressing mild feels

but I also think I feel more strongly about the townread now, so that prob wont happen

mmmk I got my eye on you...

now back to skitter, invis dissapeared when I started getting real, yet invis has the TR "for being here"???

[Andante]

kinda wanna vote sheep... but sheep is at least interacting with me, so meh. I hate the votes on me. I feel like I'm the towniest one here by far

do u think ur current voters are wolfy

I don't think they're towny

[Andante]

You feel like you're just saying random stuff

I'm giving my reads... and questioning stuff that seems off...

[Andante]

meow

[Andante]

Andante's posts are kind of baffling here lol. I don't like her interaction with Skitter cuz she seems to be overreacting from the pressure and taking really weird angles of defense like shading me for a weird reason and like, seemingly saying Skitter's reads are bad cuz both me and Andante are playing the social deduction game Mafia also known as Werewolf created by Dimitry Davidoff in 1986 but she TRs me and SRs her. Also her response to Menalque voting Aliana is weird. A lot of the other posts I have no idea like her interaction with Sheep. I started this post intending to talk about being confused but the more I think about it the more I just find this slot scummy VOTE: Andante

what is even scummy about what I've done? I've given reads and said why I think them to be true. then interacted with people I thought were saying things to just look town. skitter is definitely scummy here so idk what you're on about with defending skitter...

[Andante]

Alianna is likely scum

p sure I caught one already VOTE: alianna

always scum

also like, alianna isn't even talking?? how did you catch alianna?

why did you change your tune here? 73 and 75 were posted 61 seconds apart.

nothing changed? I thought that was an e-1 vote, we're not throwing someone on e-1 for 0 reason, and especially not announcing e-1? mena was asking for that to be hammered...

[Andante]

Spoiler:

now back to skitter, invis dissapeared when I started getting real, yet invis has the TR "for being here"???

I disappear cuz I was in school fdlgjdkjghsdfklhgfd (last day ever btw!)

what's with the SHADE anyway? I already decided not to respond to 87 (which was the last post I saw before I went to school) cuz you essentially said that we should agree to disagree (I accept no such charter! But I could see that it wasn't likely to have gone anywhere)

Alianna is likely scum

p sure I caught one already VOTE: alianna

always scum

also like, alianna isn't even talking?? how did you catch alianna?

why did you change your tune here? 73 and 75 were posted 61 seconds apart.

Andante's posts are kind of baffling here lol. I don't like her interaction with Skitter cuz she seems to be overreacting from the pressure and taking really weird angles of defense like shading me for a weird reason and like, seemingly saying Skitter's reads are bad cuz both me and Andante are playing the social deduction game Mafia also known as Werewolf created by Dimitry Davidoff in 1986 but she TRs me and SRs her. Also her response to Menalque voting Aliana is weird. A lot of the other posts I have no idea like her interaction with Sheep. I started this post intending to talk about being confused but the more I think about it the more I just find this slot scummy VOTE: Andante

I think this is a towny progression

Something andante said initially caught invisibility's eye and made her go back and read andante's iso, and 144 is a good observation

invisibility and I have never played mafia together, so it makes sense I'm where their focus is. however, it's feeling like they're just tunneling me to tunnel, it's kinda annoying

[Andante]

Skitter/Mena has at least 1

[Andante]

If we have a serial killer, pretty sure it's implosion based on how he's playing, it reads to me as like "hey! tr me!!! look at my effort" and sk not knowing scum team? easy to do this

Interesting take and I lean town on it at the moment. I feel like scum would be hesitant to post something like this for fear of getting called out for focusing on SK.

I mean, I showed up, saw that post from implosion, just after I said in my head I SRed whoever implosion was TRing there, and then I went "well is he scum?" but I don't think scum make that post, but then I was like "SK... SK would definitely make that post" so like, I wasn't focussing on finding SK no, I was just trying to sort implosion, and I have concluded he's with the cereal

[Andante]

I fully believe that town!andante would believe that she is obvtown here fwiw

I mean, how am I not obv town? it shouldn't even have to be "if town X" like yo... I been the only one talking, me talking created this random wagon on me, that no one wants to talk about, yet they were happy to discuss other wagons that alone should scream I'm town, and that's not even talking about how I've been the most active generating original reads... just sayin

[Andante]

Mena can be a town lean for now, Skitter is scum, Implosion is SK. I'm too good at this game

[Andante]

I like how Alianna is the first to go "actually, you talking about sk isn't bad" as opposed to like skitter over there going "andante takes are so bad" like, skitter is going along the "andante is hunting for sk!!" lines rather than, why would that be the first thing I do in this game... as scum. just saying... I should be town af to yall

[Andante]

I hate invisibility's tunnel on me

[Andante]

like mena, did you just toss alianna on e-1? and not say anything to speed hammer this? cause all I see are lots of votes there already...

I'm not sure if you're implying anything with this post, but no, I am not intending to make a certain mistake twice.

I thought mena tossed the wagon on e-1, it was technically e-2... I almost joined right before it and yeah, but mena is chill kinda was like "even though I SR andante (or whatever).." and still stood up for me with the comment from skitter

[Andante]

didn't need to as scum

[Andante]

Doctor Drew might be scum

[Andante]

VOTE: Doctor Drew

[Andante]

doctor drew is a good vote tbh

[Andante]

maybe im just too wolfy to be a wolf… what an idea

[Andante]

drew is cool, cant vote him out d1
UNVOTE:

[Andante]

AWOOOOOOOOO

[Andante]

I mean, I voted you cause I thought you were scum yeah

[Andante]

sup, I kinda got busy

[Andante]

Vizzy
woo
sheep, Aisa
Mena, implo, dunn
Ceph - null
Alianna
Csf, drew
Andante

I think this is abt where i'm at, i'm cool with a wagon now on any of the bottom 4

Pedit >.>

you have me as dead last? dang

[Andante]

ok sooo I tried to get reads/whatever when I was here last, uhhh idk what has changed since I was last here, and idk who I even sr, its been a long day, have early shift tomorrow.. I'll be around soon... tomorrow after work I might try and catch up, if not I'm free Tuesday. I don't have the brainpower for this

[Andante]

lol I will say, I know I am no longer the towniest person here XD
I definitely was up till whatever point I kinda just stopped paying attention to the game, also, yall are like flip flopping reads?? but they're also kinda matching up with my early takes... just saying.

[Andante]

I HAVE FANS!!

[Andante]

Andante (3): skitter30, Menalque, Invisibility

this wagon composition is wild..

[Andante]

yeah so, I'm town, and yeah.

[Andante]

I feel best abt the andante wagon still

I feel like that's a terrible wagon

[Andante]

I am starting to feel it in my gut that there is scum in Aisa/Alianna/Adante....as per my meta.

I hate this post at this point in the game. if you wanted to play the "scum in the A's" game, that's what you do in early rvs, not 400 posts in, like are you trying to go back to rvs?

[Andante]

soo you called me town and am now voting me… nice, and I have work again today, can’t do much now, before yall speed yeet me, I hardclaim I’m a pr, don’t need to know which one, but I am a pr.

[Andante]

I know votes keep flying my way, so it’s probably time to speak up now before I come back to being dead. but wow, shocker.. I was town? And pr?? woah!!!

[Andante]

also skitter tunneling me from the start of game genuinely feels off, all she has done is tunnel me… this is not the skitter I remember from years ago

and aisa calling me town then voting me feels odd

[Andante]

i don’t even remember what happened with that terminator game

[Andante]

Uggg
I just dug up an old game I played with Andante to prove my point
And it doesn't prove my point -_-
viewtopic.php?sid=&f=54&t=89608&user_select%5B%5D=35498

This is a year ago so probably not super reliable either way but if it does indicate anything I think it indicates that 1. she's scum this game 2. I am an idiot

This post just screams scum trying to give a “good reason” for jumping on my wagon

[Andante]

it’s like “I know I’ve been calling Andante town… but I need to vote her cause I don’t wanna vote my partner… here’s fake reasoning”

[Andante]

and whoever is my counterwagon is probably a powerful scum, Idk what wagon is

[Andante]

ok, be back later, today is day 4/4 of my 4 days in a row!!! Got recognized at work 2 days in a row
You know those surveys you get on your receipt when you checkout at the store? Well, multiple people have filled that out and given me 10/10s ) (and I have only had 6 shifts so far!!!)
ok, no one cares about that… hahahaha sorry, I freaking love my retail job XD ok back to game. I’m pr don’t yeet me!!! I’ll try to sort my reads tomorrow

[Andante]

and if you’re gonna yeet me, at least just wait till I can five reads please. thanks

[Andante]

i didn’t expect to be so… gone this game :/ but I’ll def be at it soon!!!

[Andante]

but yeah my takeaways are:

skitter- I don’t understand the tunnel, am I supposed to just tunnel you back, it sounds like you made your mind up from n0 that you were gonna tunnel me this game

aisa- i think genuinely claimed scum with that vote on me… like in your posts before the vote you speak as if you know im town, and are all “Andante def town…” and had comments towards skitter like “uhhh skitter i don’t get it..” then your very next post is “actually… andante is def scum cause I looked at this terminator game”
like bruh… I don’t even remember that game.. which mean it’s definitely relevant here… but you were questioning meta on me.. then literally voted me cause your own meta?? I don’t get it, and it feels like an attempt to justify your vote on me- scum indicative

[Andante]

how many scum are we even looking for?

[Andante]

ok bruh I have to go before I’m late.. ahhhh we love early work… hahahah but this is my last opener… for a while.. then I join the closing team

lmao i probably shared more about my life than this game… sorry I literally talk to my mom for an hour after each shift about how awesome work was… hahahahahaha ok, relevant stuff…
-i am pr don’t yeet me
* if you are still gonna yeet me anyways, please wait for me to sort reads tomorrow
- aisa is looking REALLY sus to me

[Andante]

bros… how do I have like 5 times the posts as the rest yall… wtf? and yall think voting out the person actually posting is a good move???

[Andante]

ok sorry, saw that and thought it was so stupid to vote me, when like if you leave me I’ll talk more, and if I’m scum doesnt that give my partners?? when we have a bunch of people like 20 or less posts… and I’m over here making valid points..

[Andante]

reminder: I am hard claiming pr, I would advise letting me live.

Aisa is definitely scum, I liked how sheep was putting it, Aisa is struggling to SR someone, and is trying a bunch of different votes, like it may be just cause I know I'm town, but like, I read Aisa'a posts and am like, she knows I'm town... is defending town!andante... yet at the same time is calling me scum? I do not understand Aisa's stance one bit, and since my claim, she just seems to be like "yeah claim!!"

skitter probably town, I love the "let scum deal with it" like, there is 0 benefit to me hardclaiming my role, so if town just ignores me here, make scum sort me tonight, best case I die right?

[Andante]

why did yall push enchant? enchant literally claimed pr the second they repped in...
VOTE: Aisa

this vote is good

[Andante]

Anyway pretend i said something town and unvote or you regret it

like I saw that, went "yep pr, and probably town" yet yall decided to keep pushing enchant??

[Andante]

what about pushing dunn or woo? if you need people to push "for doing nothing" I haven't seen anything substantial from either of them

[Andante]

@Andante

can you tell me why you decided to claim PR when you had 4 votes on you?

and whoever is my counterwagon is probably a powerful scum, Idk what wagon is

The largest wagon at the time was Drew and there was a VC on the previous page. You even posted on that same page. I'm not saying it's impossible for someone to be posting yet unaware of certain things in a game, but, idk, can you say a few words about this

Bump in case you haven't seen this

what's the question? votes were flying my way, I knew I wasn't gonna be around, so why not claim before yall vote me out? it's as simple as that

[Andante]

aisa is scum

[Andante]

im done with this line of questioning, it's just annoying, like you're literally trying to get me to say whatever so you can go " but that doesn't make sense cause you said X!!"

[Andante]

like dude.. I had votes flying my way, I panicked, knew I wasn't going to be around.. I'm pr, obviously I needed to say that, instead of coming back to being dead.

[Andante]

I kinda just wanna let enchant be for now, like even if scum, not like enchant is the only scum…

[Andante]

plus it would give enchant a chance to start playing, and not just be defending all game.. I don’t think I was really SRing drew, so idk

[Andante]

Enchant how do you feel about Andante

you phrase this like enchant and I are the only 2 options for a lim here

[Andante]

like, you know I’m not getting touched here… but “heyyy enchant!! give your thoughts on this person who isn’t getting limmed… might still lim you, but doesn’t matter what you say”

[Andante]

VOTE: Invisibility

[Andante]

PR claim is laughable. I don't believe it personally.

I’m… funny?

[Andante]

Everyone wants to think about me? This is feeling like too much attention

[Andante]

Aisa, andante, enchant: what do each of you think about woo?

I don’t think I’ve read a single woo post tbh

[Andante]

i’m on mobile right now, can pull it up once this maintenance guy leaves I guess, but reading iso+thoughts on mobile just sucks

[Andante]

invisibility dissapeared after I called out what they were doing… lmao

[Andante]

almost like… invisibility is scum here

[Andante]

uhhh caught up? lmao no I think I skipped 10 pages cause as I said before, I have never seen dunn post, and Woo made a comment about woo time/woo town or whatever and that was the only time I saw woo post

[Andante]

like, you know I’m not getting touched here… but “heyyy enchant!! give your thoughts on this person who isn’t getting limmed… might still lim you, but doesn’t matter what you say”

lol I wanted to know if he thought your PR claim reflected anything AI

I think I’ve softed PR in like every single game I’ve played, want me to hardclaim desperado here?

[Andante]

mena seems to be asking questions to just “look busy”

[Andante]

I need to go town hunting… cause tbh scum hunting is getting me no where I’m afraid

[Andante]

you’re like all scummy

[Andante]

except for enchant, I’m like genuinely TRing Enchant here

[Andante]

do people actually tr invisibility? or like if I was a hypothetical vig… would people be mad if I shot invis tonight?

[Andante]

so 2 yall would be really mad if I shot invis, yet you don't care that's where my vote is? I'm not sure you'd be as mad as you claim you'd be tbh

[Andante]

I mean, wouldn't you want my vote to go towards limming your sr? cause it doesn't seem like people are really agreeing anywhere

[Andante]

I mean, I'm reading, yall are getting my thoughts. you know I'm a pr, so like it might be worth attempting to convince me of whatever...

[Andante]

I mean, wouldn't you want my vote to go towards limming your sr? cause it doesn't seem like people are really agreeing anywhere

That’s an odd thing to say when enchant is at e-2 with no competing wagon

well enchant is town, and I haven't seen a solid case in favor of enchant!scum so sorry to say it, but that wagon just seems like a joke wagon to me.. "oh haha enchant is an easy lim!!"

[Andante]

Implosion is sk, I feel like letting scum deal with that

[Andante]

VOTE: Aisa

back to this SR I guess

[Andante]

lol you said it exactly how I was thinking... most the town just flat out doesn't care right now... a scum and the sk are vocal, and a few town are like "yeah sure"

like, skitter is town, skitter wants csf (last I saw)
I'm town, enchant is town, we want aisa
ceph is town, but doing nothing

sure doesn't feel like majority believe enchant/drew!scum

[Andante]

try reading then? :/

yeah I'll get right on it... my past 4 days have been: opening, closing,opening,opening... and today was mostly spent packing... I'm trying my best, and saying what I think based on what I see... shouldn't be an issue...

[Andante]

I really don’t see enchant flipping scum here…

[Andante]

Dunnstral:

Well I mean, kind of but not really. sheep is town for 40 being the kind of thing town would try to do early and that I think would be a less natural remark for scum to make. Invis is town specifically for wagoning off "gut pingss" being a slightly brazen thing for scum to do. I also kind of want to call the "don't eat wagons" banter townish just for idk, natural banter in thread on page 2.

I agree with the sheep reasoning. I disagree on the Invisibility reasoning - I don't think that is town indicative.

The fact that i had had the same thought abt vizzy

This is eyebrow raising for me.

If we have a serial killer, pretty sure it's implosion based on how he's playing, it reads to me as like "hey! tr me!!! look at my effort" and sk not knowing scum team? easy to do this

how do you distinguish this from town solving?

cause it's less than 100 posts in and implosion is trying like super hard, it just screams sk to me

Why can't town try hard?

andante seems a bit like an exaggerated version of andante right now but idk

I agree with this

- short ISO, this is Dunn's first post, not sure I love it tbh, like, "here is me catching up, commenting on random posts, and not really adding anything to any of the thoughts

I think that the above reads list makes Alianna scum. I find that townreading all the most active players is a sign that the person making the list is anti-town.

- and then this and one of the next posts is like "can't just TR the active people!!" like, generally town will be more active than scum, not sure the issue here? like, to go so far as to even screenshot the player activity stuff... like, you're not really giving any thoughts on the game, yet you're VERY aware of activity levels?? idk, seems off

I actually somehow only noticed this game opened this morning and hadn't gotten around to it until tonight. Didn't realize it's been 48 hours yet.

- I think this post would’ve been fine… if it was Dunn’s first post, but after “catching up” and commenting on activity levels, feels weird, not sure if this makes dunn scum, but like with this and above, I’m not really seeing how dunn would be town and make these posts

I like GuerillaWoo and would not want to see them go.

- So this is like Dunn’s first read? I’m not a fan of how earlier Dunn went after whoever for the activity reads list, but then left it at that, possibly makes Dunn and Alianna partners? Which is why Dunn seemed so passionate about that? Cause this would be Dunn’s 2nd read.. and there’s like no passion with it, but for Alianna, Dunn went as far as to screenshot the activity levels… and seemed confident in alianna scum, but then just dropped that thought? Cause the general Alianna SR was fading? Maybe…

So we have a problem. One person is sus and there's 2-4 bad guys in the game.

If you're town your problem is that you will townread everyone for light banter and giving the bare minimum of content. You are not being skeptical enough.

- Back to like throwing shade at Alianna? Without fully pushing alianna… like Dunn’s stance in regards to Alianna feels like partners, hesitant to just full on go after alianna, but still wants the town points for an alianna scum flip…

I don't like Cat Scratch Fever's posts on page 11. That's just a feeling for now though. I think GuerillaWoo is talking a lot of sense on this page.

- Again, the only “confidence” I see from Dunn is this Alianna read… these other reads… just exist, like, why are you so passionate about alianna scum, yet here “I don’t like CSF” is as far as you go..

I'm not doing that though. The players in null are not scumleans, they are null.

If you think everybody else is town, by definition you have to think there are several scum in that set of players. They are not null - you think they have a higher than average chance of being scum.

You are describing it as null but above you say you think there are likely scum in that group, and I don't suppose you think there are scum in your town reads, so what would you call that?

- The ONLY person Dunn is really interacting with is Alianna, like, this isn’t interacting with someone you’re convinced is scum?? The last part of that feels like trying to help a partner “I don't suppose you think there are scum in your town reads, so what would you call that?” like, “hey answer this and you look towny!!”

I skipped from page 5 to right above my own posts

I dunno, maybe you believe townreading active posters is generally a scumtell

But it seemed a bit strange that you would call out the reads list without having read more to know if you agreed with the reads or not

I explained my reasoning. I think it is naive to townread all the most active players, at best, and scum motivated at worst.

- So above, Dunn went “I don’t like CSF’s posting” or whatever, and here it’s like, answering in a way to get CSF to TR you, again, not how I think one would treat a genuine SR


Soooo TLDR:
I think Dunn is scum, the low activity for one feels scum indicative, and what we do have from dunn, does not feel like town trying to find scum at all. In fact, after a dunn scum flip I would look into alianna, not 100% sure the 2 are partnered, but the interactions, I don’t get why Dunn got so passionate with talking to/about alianna compared to others.

VOTE: Dunn

[Andante]

I was gonna go through all the ISOs/collect thoughts, but after the first one, I do not think Dunn is town, and I'm satisfied with voting here

[Andante]

told yall I just needed some free time to get into this... but yeah, Dunn is mafia and the best vote here tyvm

[Andante]

Hey Invisibility, Dunn is mafia, want to join the votes on mafia?

[Andante]

Unless you think dunn is town, then I'd love to hear it

[Andante]

look, the Dunn ISO is SHORT. I want all yall to look at it, and give some thoughts, it has been over 6 IRL days. do yall really think those 13 posts are town!Dunn? What part of them is even an attempt to find scum. I feel like even in my nonsenseness, I had actual thoughts for yall, like I've been sold on implosion as SK since the start. Dunn of there? pretty much nothing. has a few reads, lost it at Alianna TRing the people posting...

I invite yall to go look at Dunn, cause I'm pretty certain Dunn is scum (it might not be with alianna, though alianna is a good place to start looking after a dunn scum flip)


cause I'm telling you. Dunn is scum here

[Andante]

I feel like the almost 0 engagement from Dunn is also scum indicative...

[Andante]

whatever. I literally just found the final scum last game, no one wanted to listen last game. Scum!Dunn plays exactly like this, I have never seen town!dunn barely participate in a game. this ISO screams scum. there's nothing about it that makes me think for 1 second dunn could be town, dunn isn't trying to scumhunt, dunn's posting is solely to try and appear towny.

so whatever. lim whoever idgaf, people refused to listen to me last game when I was right, and it sounds like that's how this game is going so whatever

[Andante]

cause I'm not playing this "well andante is scummy so can't listen to her" I'm scummy? you think scum me makes the posts I've made on the last 2 pages? so when others show up and go "yeah andante is town" then suddenly you won't think I'm scummy anymore? like hello? I'm playing the game here, I went through Dunn's ISO gave my thoughts, YOU AGREE the ISO is bad. but "oh andante scummy, so she can't be right"

[Andante]

I am hearing you out Andante. I am literally agreeing with you

yeah exactly, but "I'm not voting there cause you are" sure makes me feel real great

[Andante]

especially after me putting in all my effort to the other game I repped into... where I was correct.... yet got completely ignored

[Andante]

what? I can just about guarantee half this PL when they show up is gonna go "ok yeah andante is town"

except now mena will go "I was gonna, but she said it so nah"

so once they go yeah she's def town! then you're gonna magically change your read/stance on my slot here? like "ok andante isn't scummy, I can vote with her since I literally agree with what she's saying"

[Andante]

obviously I think that? what part of what I've said makes you think I don't genuinely believe it?

[Andante]

at the very least I can see them joining this dunn wagon and flipping dunn, which is legit all I want to accomplish right now

[Andante]

cause again, if you AGREE with me on Dunn not looking towny... why would you not want to join the 2 votes currently there? not like Dunn is close to a lim, and it's more pressure when dunn shows up from the prod..

[Andante]

whatever, it's not like I'm gonna get anywhere with you

[Andante]

DUNN IS LITERALLY SCUM BY PLAY THIS GAME AND BY META. Scum!Dunn plays just like this.. ughh this is freaking annoying

[Andante]

this is literally a repeat of Divide and Connor with FL. I'm not dealing with FL twice, cause you're being exactly like FL was that game

[Andante]

i'm not really sure what i just read

TLDR: Dunn is mafia and you should vote Dunn

[Andante]

unless you wanna go lim town!enchant, then I guess that's the move here, but yeah.

[Andante]

Oh, also maybe this is the first game where I think dunn is actually town?

If I’m putting that in a more popular and easily digestible format I guess it would look something like this:

Town?
Viz
Dunn

Town??
Sheep


Town???
Skitt
Csf

Various shades of null
Implo
Woo
Ceph

Scum??
Aisa

Scum?
Andy
Enchant

Mena told me to

Thank you btw

I know deadline is approaching but I would still really like to see what both dunn and woo think of current gamestate before day ends

- and then you voted dunn


like, thanks for trusting me with this vote, but your dunn progression.. idk, like you seemed to declare Dunn as town super early, and then when CSF said she hated dunn's entrance you questioned that implying you liked it, so I'm just trying to follow here, like, how did you go from declaring Dunn town, to voting dunn, that all just feels kinda odd to me, almost in the sense where dunn is your partner who you're now going "well dunn is getting flipped regardless, might as well join the wagon for town points"

[Andante]

does mena's dunn progression feel odd to anyone else?
(obviously I still want to flip dunn today, but I'm just saying, usually early TRs are your stronger TRs later)

and Mena, can you ellaborate on what made you TR dunn initially?

[Andante]

Ayyyy gg!!
I just wanna say the timing of my replace out with that enchant hammer, there was no link!! I genuinely didn’t see it… real life was insane, and that morning someone broke into my car (a few days before my move) so I was like “yeah this game ain’t happening..” sorry!!! I genuinely hate repping out, just real life… has been a lot (I still don’t even have wifi lol) my mafia days are definitely over for a loooong while, its been fun yall!!!