Open 878: Scarfolk Council | The End

[Alianna]

VOTE: Alianna

Clearly

VOTE: Doctor Drew

I can't allow this. Getting executed D1 as SK would be pathetic.

[Alianna]

Also, I didn't even know Menal was in this game!

Excitement level just went up.

I voted redFF because I was mafia.

I do

not

townread Alianna*

*anymore and/or ever again

He's going to scumread me lol.

[Alianna]

*(Also, I don't know how to spell simple words)

At least you can spell Alianna now.

[Alianna]

Are you one of Doc's recruits?

[Alianna]

You say I'm on your good side, and yet you're voting me...
Your true colours are showing.

[Alianna]

VOTE: Doctor Drew

But I like cats.

Oh, all right

VOTE: Alianna

But I like cats too.

[Alianna]

VOTE: Doctor Drew

But I like cats.

Oh, all right

VOTE: Alianna

This is the type of attitude Allyuna could learn from.

My vote is going nowhere.

[Alianna]

why hello!

Hello!

[Alianna]

I am around now.
…exceptionally.
for two minutes until I thwack my head onto a pillow again.

HI AISA DID YOU ROLL SK?

[Alianna]

I'm not willing to townlean anyone on the basis of "has reads" but I guess I won't complain about it too much.

[Alianna]

does this game have anyone who's usually around at this time of day lol that could be nice

I will be sometimes, but my brain is usually a bit dead at this time of night so coherence from me is not guaranteed. Actually, I don't think it's ever guaranteed lol.

[Alianna]

I'm not willing to townlean anyone on the basis of "has reads" but I guess I won't complain about it too much.

What's this in response to?

Forgot to quote, this was in response to 50. Kind of assumed the reasoning based on what everyone had posted. Was it something else?

[Alianna]

I'm not willing to townlean anyone on the basis of "has reads" but I guess I won't complain about it too much.

What's this in response to?

Forgot to quote, this was in response to 50. Kind of assumed the reasoning based on what everyone had posted. Was it something else?

what posts led you to make that assumption?

The fact that at the time, you and sheep were the only two players to have stated serious reads.

[Alianna]

I have 0-6 reads depending on how you define a “read”

Please do share.

[Alianna]

If we have a serial killer, pretty sure it's implosion based on how he's playing, it reads to me as like "hey! tr me!!! look at my effort" and sk not knowing scum team? easy to do this

Interesting take and I lean town on it at the moment. I feel like scum would be hesitant to post something like this for fear of getting called out for focusing on SK.

[Alianna]

wow so exciting

Thanks. Limited edition Aisa is, indeed, even more exciting than normal Aisa. <3

I am around now.
…exceptionally.
for two minutes until I thwack my head onto a pillow again.

HI AISA

Hi ^^

DID YOU ROLL SK?

OMG YES!! WE BOTH ROLLED SK? There’s like a 1/676 chance of that, wow, that’s so rare

these posts feel like scum just going for the "im friendly!! don't vote me" card

I can understand this if you don't know Aisa, but I don't think it's significant. At least, the reply to me is NAI.
That is, unless I drag myself into an endless pit of WIFOM over the SK claim.

[Alianna]

Yeah, that's kind of what I'm saying. I think if scum is trying to hunt for an SK, they probably post that stuff in the PT instead of saying "I think this is SK!" in the public thread.

[Alianna]

Still reading up, Invisibility's P3 and P4 have the town vibes.

[Alianna]

like mena, did you just toss alianna on e-1? and not say anything to speed hammer this? cause all I see are lots of votes there already...

I'm not sure if you're implying anything with this post, but no, I am not intending to make a certain mistake twice.

[Alianna]

I'm not willing to townlean anyone on the basis of "has reads" but I guess I won't complain about it too much.

this stuff felt slightly wolf to me at surface level.

"I won't complain about it too much" just feels like a wolf perspective in a way that I could see alianna slipping up. either about some correct townreads or wanting to get townread herself for an active start

the idea of town complaining about some page 2 reads just doesnt make sense to me, even if u disagree with the reads.

what I would expect town to do is like, evaluate implosion's alignment based on that

, which doesn't happen;

this post also assumes implosion town in a +0.05% wolf way

idk ive been back and forth on this

How am I supposed to evaluate someone's alignment off "X and Y are towny" with no reasoning? There really wasn't much to sort in the post. Even though I had a guess about the reasoning, I didn't find it AI. I just disagreed with it.

How does it do that?

[Alianna]

Also, I don't understand like 1 word from whatever you're trying to say here

I'm not willing to townlean anyone on the basis of "has reads" but I guess I won't complain about it too much.

this stuff felt slightly wolf to me at surface level.

"I won't complain about it too much" just feels like a wolf perspective in a way that I could see alianna slipping up. either about some correct townreads or wanting to get townread herself for an active start

the idea of town complaining about some page 2 reads just doesnt make sense to me, even if u disagree with the reads. what I would expect town to do is like, evaluate implosion's alignment based on that, which doesn't happen; this post also assumes implosion town in a +0.05% wolf way


idk ive been back and forth on this

why would town feel an urge to complain about those townreads? I spent a while trying to empathize with it but couldnt really

Just a little annoyed at how some people townread what's just optimal play as either alignment, and it's common enough that I expect people to do it. It doesn't seem like that's what implo was doing, though, after they explained it. It's more of a me thing than a town thing.

[Alianna]

Doctor Drew might be scum

What for?

[Alianna]

like mena, did you just toss alianna on e-1? and not say anything to speed hammer this? cause all I see are lots of votes there already...

I'm not sure if you're implying anything with this post, but no, I am not intending to make a certain mistake twice.

lmao please tell me this doesn’t mean you accidentally self-hammered alianna??

Uhhhh, well, I didn't do it by accident.

[Alianna]

That is, unless I drag myself into an endless pit of WIFOM over the SK claim.

this post also irks me. Why would you ever do that

What irks you about it? I'm not quite understanding what your thought process is here and I don't want to assume.

[Alianna]

Idk, I like my tinfoil theories.
There's just not much I can say to that.

[Alianna]

fair I gues. Why are you still voting Doctor Drew?

Sorry, got distracted by something IRL. I just forgot to take off my RVS.

UNVOTE:

[Alianna]

Current reads: Andante is towny because reasons, Aisa and Invisibility are towny because vibes, Doc and CSF are ever so slightly north of null (Doc because I kind of want to trust Aisa's meta read and CSF because 151 is a good post), and skitter might be sus but I need to re-read her ISO.

[Alianna]

doctor drew is a good vote tbh

I agree, some pressure on me would help me get into things.

And I have things to catch up on, but wasn't Alianna being jokey with the SK thing or am I misremembering?

It was a jokey comment, but I probably could get into a WIFOM spiral over that.

[Alianna]

Current reads: Andante is towny because reasons, Aisa and Invisibility are towny because vibes, Doc and CSF are ever so slightly north of null (Doc because I kind of want to trust Aisa's meta read and CSF because 151 is a good post), and

skitter might be sus but I need to re-read her ISO.

Meh, skitter can go back in the nullbin.

[Alianna]

Current reads: Andante is towny because reasons, Aisa and Invisibility are towny because vibes, Doc and CSF are ever so slightly north of null (Doc because I kind of want to trust Aisa's meta read and CSF because 151 is a good post), and

skitter might be sus but I need to re-read her ISO.

Meh, skitter can go back in the nullbin.

One question though Alianna, shouldn't you have a meta read on me by now and not have to trust another player?

The difference is that Aisa has played with you as both alignments. In all my completed games with you, you've been town. I'm sure I could go find similarities/differences (not that I feel like scrolling through a bunch of games to remind myself), but I'd have no way of telling which ones are actually AI. I don't think I could meta read you with any degree of confidence.

[Alianna]

(not that I can meta-read everyone I've played with as both alignments either)

[Alianna]

Conduct

1. Don't use
   orange
   , it's my color.

I'm 99% sure the orange I used isn't the one you used, but if you think it's too close I won't use it.

[Alianna]

Also, I forgot that Dunnstral was a player in this game.

[Alianna]

Current reads: Andante is towny because reasons, Aisa and Invisibility are towny because vibes, Doc and CSF are ever so slightly north of null (Doc because I kind of want to trust Aisa's meta read and CSF because 151 is a good post), and

skitter might be sus but I need to re-read her ISO.

Meh, skitter can go back in the nullbin.

One question though Alianna, shouldn't you have a meta read on me by now and not have to trust another player?

If you think I should have a meta read on you, do you have a meta read on me?

[Alianna]

I am not sure I understand why I am being wagoned, but hello o/ Lookin like wagons are forming and dissipating in the span of a handful of posts


Andante's assertion that Invis is tunneled on her and that she's obv town is still fairly inexplicable to me too.

Why is she town "Because reasons"?

UNVOTE: literally no one is coming off scummy or townie at this point lol

She’s towny because of the reasons previously stated in 172 and 175. Should have been more clear.

[Alianna]

I don’t agree with the idea that Andante is obvious town or that Invis is tunnelling her, but I don’t necessarily think Andante making those assertions is scum-indicative.

[Alianna]

Current reads: Andante is towny because reasons, Aisa and Invisibility are towny because vibes, Doc and CSF are ever so slightly north of null (Doc because I kind of want to trust Aisa's meta read and CSF because 151 is a good post), and

skitter might be sus but I need to re-read her ISO.

Meh, skitter can go back in the nullbin.

One question though Alianna, shouldn't you have a meta read on me by now and not have to trust another player?

If you think I should have a meta read on you, do you have a meta read on me?

Doc, can you answer my question?

[Alianna]

Current reads: Andante is towny because reasons, Aisa and Invisibility are towny because vibes, Doc and CSF are ever so slightly north of null (Doc because I kind of want to trust Aisa's meta read and CSF because 151 is a good post), and skitter might be sus but I need to re-read her ISO.

Can you tell me about Invis's vibes?

Uhhhh...it's a town vibe? A solvey, detectivey vibe?
When I say "vibes," I mean there's either a read or a piece of a read that I don't have much explanation for. If I had much more on Invis, it'd be a TR because reasons.

[Alianna]

I want to hear more from Aisa, she basically nailed my town game, and I feel I have somewhat of a good inclination of both sides of her game.

Alianna always has a back for getting in her own head as well.

Pre Edit:forgot woo was even in the game.

Oh here it was, before you asked haha.

Also, knack not back.

I read that as a statement about me in general rather than me as either alignment. It is accurate though.

[Alianna]

Dammit, I was so obv vig that game as well.....still bitter about it.

[Alianna]

I still haven't read up on the wagons, let me do that.

[Alianna]

@mod

- are we getting a replacement for Dunn?

[Alianna]

The wagon on Andante's pretty good, but Drew has said he wants to catch up so I don't know why he's being wagoned either.

I'll keep that in mind, ty

Why is the wagon on Andante good?

Came in with some brazen stuff and immediately self-declared obv town. The assumption ig is that scum wouldn't engage in any bravado or start questioning TRs on themselves? But that assumption is worth more when it's not Andante just saying "So what I did just now makes me locktown". It comes off as awareness of reads on yourself, and like, feigning confidence in RVS is just super easy to do. She did this after saying Implo is tryharding early.

It's a solid place for a wagon.

I need to reread the thread and try to figure out if I have any town reads based on anything said that early. I think Invis and skitter saw the logic in

not

seeing the logic in Andante's posts, but I'm not sure if there were any more, and I don't have a better yardstick for townie behavior thus far.

If you think Andante is a good wagon, why did you never vote her?

[Alianna]

I still haven't read up on the wagons, let me do that.

The wagons are wagons.

[Alianna]

Not interested in Andante wagon because I think she's town. The votes there are all meh for different reasons.
Drew wagon is somehow even more meh.
Cephrir and Invis are voting there because...why?

Woo wagon feels slightly better, at least on CSF's side. 250 raises some good points. Doc's 285 feels a little tinfoily though lol.

[Alianna]

Also, I forgot that Dunnstral was a player in this game.

Weirdly this is the first post that Alianna has made that maybe makes me think she's town :X

Not really something I think scum would be inclined to say with Dunn either as town or as scum.

Most of her posting recently makes me go "yeah, this is well and good but well scum definitely can make this post"

That last line is exactly how I feel about your posting.

[Alianna]

The votes there are all meh for different reasons.

what are these reasons?

Yours is meh because I TR you (in general, not because of the vote) and I get where you're coming from, but I also don't think you're voting scum. So it kind of averages out.
Meh, maybe yours isn't

that

meh. Your posts on Andante do contribute somewhat to the vibe I had on you.
skitter's is meh because I don't find the stuff she's scumreading to be scummy.
Menalque's is meh because I don't know why he's voting Andante other than maybe sheeping skitter.

[Alianna]

can u briefly talk abt drew too lol

do u townread him or does it just seem meh cuz out of nowhere

Mostly because it's out of nowhere.
I do still have him above the null line though because I still like that read from Aisa.

[Alianna]

You know what, sure. I see what you mean.

VOTE: GuerillaWoo

[Alianna]

Reads are approximately this. They're relative to a scale, not to each other, and I went the other way around the colour wheel because (a) it's prettier and (b) my scumleans are usually orange. You can ask about my reasoning, but the response is going to be either "idk vibes lol" or "I already talked about that one."

{

Alianna

} - I townread Alianna.
{

Andante

}
{

Aisa, Invisibility, Cat Scratch Fever

}
{

sheepsaysmeep

}
{

Doctor Drew, implosion

}
{

Dunnstral, Cephrir, Menalque, skitter30

} - the null line
{

GuerillaWoo

}

So we have a problem. One person is sus and there's 2-4 bad guys in the game.
Kind of makes me think there's scum in the quiet people.
Or my scumdar's just broken.
Still like the Woo wagon for now, just think the null tier is worth looking into.

[Alianna]

Reads are approximately this. They're relative to a scale, not to each other, and I went the other way around the colour wheel because (a) it's prettier and (b) my scumleans are usually orange. You can ask about my reasoning, but the response is going to be either "idk vibes lol" or "I already talked about that one."

{

Alianna

} - I townread Alianna.
{

Andante

}
{

Aisa, Invisibility, Cat Scratch Fever

}
{

sheepsaysmeep

}
{

Doctor Drew, implosion

}
{

Dunnstral, Cephrir, Menalque, skitter30

} - the null line
{

GuerillaWoo

}

So we have a problem. One person is sus and there's 2-4 bad guys in the game.
Kind of makes me think there's scum in the quiet people.
Or my scumdar's just broken.
Still like the Woo wagon for now, just think the null tier is worth looking into.

[Alianna]

@mod

- are we getting a replacement for Dunn?

Generally when a player is gone for 48 hours the mod will send them a prod. After an additional 24 hours the mod will begin to look for a replacement.

So no, I don't think we will need a replacement in this scenario.

Well, considering that you just didn't exist for the first 48 hours, I thought maybe you hadn't confirmed. My bad for assuming though.

[Alianna]

Yeah your reads are sorted by post count. I don't really by that as being a genuine thought process, but rather a byproduct of playing to the crowd.

I also don't like that you list your scum leans as "null" as I also think that is a scum move to avoid making enemies by only pushing 1 or 2 people at a time.

VOTE: Alianna

Can't really defend against this. It is what it is. There's no rule that scum have to be in the active players though.

I'm not doing that though. The players in null are not scumleans, they are null. I made the readslist first, with them as null, and then I came to the (obvious) conclusion that something was not right there and that there are scum outside of my one-person sus tier. So after making the reads, I concluded that I think there's likely to be scum in the null group despite not having reasons to scumread any of them individually. I thought that thought process was at least somewhat clear in the post but I guess not. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Alianna]

So we have a problem. One person is sus and there's 2-4 bad guys in the game.

If you're town your problem is that you will townread everyone for light banter and giving the bare minimum of content. You are not being skeptical enough.

Could be. I'll consider that.

[Alianna]

Hmm, maybe a readslist was not the best way of expressing my thoughts on this game. It seems to have created more confusion than it cleared up. I've tried to explain the thought process and it's a little more complicated than town/null/scum, so trying to put it in a list like that doesn't make much sense now that I think about it.
I'll address other stuff later in the day, I don't feel like playing mafia right now.

[Alianna]

Aisa's reaction test makes me more convinced she's town. Feels like a town!her thought process.
I'm also noticing a slight tone difference from when I was scum with her, but I can't really put it into words yet. I know that's not exactly helpful, just going to note it anyway.

[Alianna]

i can kinda see andante/alianna scum together

And also why you thought this could be a team

How worried andante got at alianna maybe being at e1. Makes sense to me if worried abt her partner getting flipped

Do you think scum!Andante would fake that in a world where I'm town?

[Alianna]

UNVOTE:

I'm just going to take this off for now. I don't know what I think of the recent Drew vs Woo stuff yet and I don't think I have the brainpower to analyze it properly at the moment. Apologies for being checked out over the last couple of days.

[Alianna]

I'm also noticing a slight tone difference from when I was scum with her, but I can't really put it into words yet. I know that's not exactly helpful, just going to note it anyway.

I am curious if u can link this game pls. tho I prob wont read super in depth

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We were both part of the Dei Ex Machina hydra. I was Nyx, she was Morta, and our third partner was Janus.

[Alianna]

V/LA due to illness, end date is difficult but we'll say Wednesday.

[Alianna]

VOTE: Enchant

Yeet. This may be all the content I can muster today, but yeet.

[Alianna]

I'm feeling a little better. It seems I've got a lot of reading to do, probably won't be able to get to that tonight though. I'll do my best to get myself caught up tomorrow and answer any questions anyone has for me.

[Alianna]

(2) what do you like about Alianna?

I went to quote some posts out of her ISO that I liked for you, but uh, on the whole she feels more reactive than I remembered.

I will address this, though, since it's right there and doesn't require any reading for context. The game you're referencing represents one end of my townrange; it's by far the most effort I've ever put into D1. It's not a good example of how I usually play. Meta-read it at your own risk.

[Alianna]

Yep, that one.
I think I'm using the word "meta" a little more loosely than you're using it there.
It was just a thought that came to my head.

[Alianna]

Yep, that one.
I think I'm using the word "meta" a little more loosely than you're using it there.
It was just a thought that came to my head.

Never mind, I understand what you mean now.

[Alianna]

Lesson learned: Enchant actually doesn't have meta.

[Alianna]

Oh no this game didn't spontaneously evaporate? Damn

Lol, I wish.

[Alianna]

enchant is an open wolf here please take the freebie

Great! I have assigned you a question. Your question is: was there anything behind your conviction here, except implosion's case?

VOTE: Enchant

Yeet. This may be all the content I can muster today, but yeet.

I have also assigned you a question, dear. Your question is: see question above

It had to do with a meta pattern that's actually been called out by various people across more than one game. I opened up Enchant's ISO and thought "lol, that's their scum meta."
I suppose, in hindsight, that they didn't play to that meta in the last game I played with them either (they were scum), so maybe they're trying to mix it up.

[Alianna]

And seconded about the pushback on implo, forgot about that.

[Alianna]

GG and congrats town.
I apologize for the replace-out, especially at such an inopportune time. It wasn't because of anything game-related, I just didn't see any way that I could realistically catch up and keep up with this game after having missed half of D1 while sick and on V/LA.

P-edit: Yeah, the flavour was great.

[Alianna]

I'll take a pagetop.