Open 878: Scarfolk Council | The End

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VOTE: Doctor Drew

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VOTE: Doctor Drew

But I like cats.

Oh, all right

VOTE: Alianna

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3? What's the third

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Aisa maybe town

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now back to skitter, invis dissapeared when I started getting real, yet invis has the TR "for being here"???

I disappear cuz I was in school fdlgjdkjghsdfklhgfd (last day ever btw!)

Congrats!

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Aisa maybe town

This is sort of an interesting pop-in. Have you looked at the other pages since your previous post and don't have much to say on them, or have you not looked at them yet, or comical third option?

Ive read them but there wasn't much that I thought was worth commenting on

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Spoiler:

now back to skitter, invis dissapeared when I started getting real, yet invis has the TR "for being here"???

I disappear cuz I was in school fdlgjdkjghsdfklhgfd (last day ever btw!)

what's with the SHADE anyway? I already decided not to respond to 87 (which was the last post I saw before I went to school) cuz you essentially said that we should agree to disagree (I accept no such charter! But I could see that it wasn't likely to have gone anywhere)

Alianna is likely scum

p sure I caught one already VOTE: alianna

always scum

also like, alianna isn't even talking?? how did you catch alianna?

why did you change your tune here? 73 and 75 were posted 61 seconds apart.

Andante's posts are kind of baffling here lol. I don't like her interaction with Skitter cuz she seems to be overreacting from the pressure and taking really weird angles of defense like shading me for a weird reason and like, seemingly saying Skitter's reads are bad cuz both me and Andante are playing the social deduction game Mafia also known as Werewolf created by Dimitry Davidoff in 1986 but she TRs me and SRs her. Also her response to Menalque voting Aliana is weird. A lot of the other posts I have no idea like her interaction with Sheep. I started this post intending to talk about being confused but the more I think about it the more I just find this slot scummy VOTE: Andante

I think this is a towny progression

Something andante said initially caught invisibility's eye and made her go back and read andante's iso, and 144 is a good observation

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Aisa maybe town

This is sort of an interesting pop-in. Have you looked at the other pages since your previous post and don't have much to say on them, or have you not looked at them yet, or comical third option?

Ive read them but there wasn't much that I thought was worth commenting on

I find that surprising

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Spoiler:

now back to skitter, invis dissapeared when I started getting real, yet invis has the TR "for being here"???

I disappear cuz I was in school fdlgjdkjghsdfklhgfd (last day ever btw!)

what's with the SHADE anyway? I already decided not to respond to 87 (which was the last post I saw before I went to school) cuz you essentially said that we should agree to disagree (I accept no such charter! But I could see that it wasn't likely to have gone anywhere)

Alianna is likely scum

p sure I caught one already VOTE: alianna

always scum

also like, alianna isn't even talking?? how did you catch alianna?

why did you change your tune here? 73 and 75 were posted 61 seconds apart.

Andante's posts are kind of baffling here lol. I don't like her interaction with Skitter cuz she seems to be overreacting from the pressure and taking really weird angles of defense like shading me for a weird reason and like, seemingly saying Skitter's reads are bad cuz both me and Andante are playing the social deduction game Mafia also known as Werewolf created by Dimitry Davidoff in 1986 but she TRs me and SRs her. Also her response to Menalque voting Aliana is weird. A lot of the other posts I have no idea like her interaction with Sheep. I started this post intending to talk about being confused but the more I think about it the more I just find this slot scummy VOTE: Andante

I think this is a towny progression

Something andante said initially caught invisibility's eye and made her go back and read andante's iso, and 144 is a good observation

invisibility and I have never played mafia together, so it makes sense I'm where their focus is. however, it's feeling like they're just tunneling me to tunnel, it's kinda annoying

I don't really see tunneling, she's only voted for you just now

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VOTE: GuerillaWoo

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doctor drew is a good vote tbh

why did you vote him over skitter?

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Pre Edit:forgot woo was even in the game.

Care to join me?

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Woo!

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Cat Scratch Fever do u happen to have any reads on the active posters now? like andante/alianna/me etc.
it's kinda bugging me how ur avoiding commenting on relevant stuff

otherwise I would be townreading u lol. 151 and 213 are rly good imo

also what do I call u is it like Cat or CSF or something

I'm kind of gutreading Alianna and Andante as both town

I uh don't really have much of an impression on you except that your vote on Drew was potentially interesting, sorry!

I think the Drew wagon seems like it was whipped up out of nothing and kinda ??? to me

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I am not sure I understand why I am being wagoned

, but hello o/ Lookin like wagons are forming and dissipating in the span of a handful of posts


Andante's assertion that Invis is tunneled on her and that she's obv town is still fairly inexplicable to me too. Why is she town "Because reasons"?

UNVOTE: literally no one is coming off scummy or townie at this point lol

I mean, you don't seem to have any reads?

I just dismiss RVS and discussion about RVS. Seems like the best time to make LAMIST content or say whatever under the guise of "hey, it was RVS, I was trying to move discussion along". So generally NAI ig.

This seems like when people were trying to move past RVS, you were shutting them down and handwaving things away as "well it's just RVS" without engaging with the meat of what was being said

167 seems a bit like asking a question for the sake of it

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What do you make of the major wagons right now?

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I don’t agree with the idea that Andante is obvious town or that Invis is tunnelling her, but I don’t necessarily think Andante making those assertions is scum-indicative.

This is where I'm at too

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I think that the above reads list makes Alianna scum. I find that townreading all the most active players is a sign that the person making the list is anti-town.

@mod

- are we getting a replacement for Dunn?

Generally when a player is gone for 48 hours the mod will send them a prod. After an additional 24 hours the mod will begin to look for a replacement.

So no, I don't think we will need a replacement in this scenario.

Yeah your reads are sorted by post count. I don't really by that as being a genuine thought process, but rather a byproduct of playing to the crowd. I also don't like that you list your scum leans as "null" as I also think that is a scum move to avoid making enemies by only pushing 1 or 2 people at a time.

VOTE: Alianna

Were you caught up when you made these posts?

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I skipped from page 5 to right above my own posts

I dunno, maybe you believe townreading active posters is generally a scumtell

But it seemed a bit strange that you would call out the reads list without having read more to know if you agreed with the reads or not

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I kinda think GuerillaWoo is scummy

I think a lot of people townread his posting on page 14, but 340 feels somewhat uncharitable in its interpretation of Drew's 308, 226, and 264. To be fair, Guerilla didn't actually outright say Drew is scum for these points, but I feel like there are other readings of those posts that more easily come to mind

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Cat Scratch Fever do u happen to have any reads on the active posters now? like andante/alianna/me etc.
it's kinda bugging me how ur avoiding commenting on relevant stuff

otherwise I would be townreading u lol. 151 and 213 are rly good imo

also what do I call u is it like Cat or CSF or something

I actually think csf is scummy for doing this

I'm town this game!

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Vizzy
woo
sheep, Aisa
Mena, implo, dunn
Ceph - null
Alianna
Csf, drew
Andante

I think this is abt where i'm at, i'm cool with a wagon now on any of the bottom 4

Pedit >.>

I'm lowkey townreading all of the people you have below null

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Why did your Drew read change?

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Spoiler:

Aisa's catchup is alright.

What if they're scum looking for something to criticise?

That's always possible, but I didn't read it that way. I agreed with them, it was odd.

If that's the case, why were you so worked up that a wagon built on me?

I wasn't? Lol someone asked what I thought of the wagons. All I said is I don't know why you're being wagoned. This is coming off like you wanting me to address your wagon for you tbh.

There is a disconnect,

you questioned why I was being wagoned just after Cat and I voted you

. You then voice displeasure with my wagon, I ask what you think of the people on my wagon and do you think they scum read me, you deflected a bit until you said basically 'seems for pressure which is always good'.

Here's the thing, you don't seem scared about a couple votes on you, but

I think you were trying to pocket me before your wagon really got going, especially since my wagon gained steam quickly, easy to be the white knight there.

This whole post kinda stinks to me. It feels like targeting something that, to me, has the aesthetics of a misunderstanding - GuerillaWoo clarifies that he wasn't worked up about the wagon, he was just responding because he was asked about it. And in response to that, Doctor Drew says in essence "no, you

were

worked up about it". I feel like the town response to this should acknowledge something like "okay, you're saying you didn't feel worked up about it, but I still think the way you responded is scummy because XYZ". But it feels like Doctor Drew has just found someone he wants to push on, and is just pushing on that person because he thinks he has an argument. It feels like he's not really reflecting on it. And beyond that GuerillaWoo's response is literally right below CSF's 253. He was responding to a question. Of course he's going to give some opinion when he's asked to give an opinion. He questioned why Doctor Drew was being wagoned literally in the next post after being asked what he thought of major wagons... and yet Drew is trying to ascribe it to the fact that it was after Cat and Drew voted him?

I don't really see why it couldn't have been a pocketing statement from Drew's perspective and a response to my question at the same time

Was basically my thought when I read this

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Ok have a few days off in a row, gotta give this game more attention.

I am starting to feel it in my gut that there is scum in Aisa/Alianna/Adante....as per my meta.

What does "as per my meta" mean?

This feels kinda convenient to me, considering the VC at the time (you were voting Woo, then think two other wagons Andante/Alianna could also be scum)

Spoiler:

Vote Count 1.5

Doctor Drew (4):

Cephrir, sheepsaysmeep, implosion, GuerillaWoo

GuerillaWoo (3):

Cat Scratch Fever, Doctor Drew, Alianna

Andante (3):

skitter30, Menalque, Invisibility

Alianna (1):

Dunnstral

skitter30 (1):

Aisa

Not voting (1):

Andante

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I believe Andante claim and don't think she would be a good lim today

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Aisa's approach the last few days is nagging me

The way she has tested different votes (me, skitter, andante) just looks a little openwolfy to me

a) I think it highlights how she's struggling to form legit scumreads, which is just a little more likely wolf than villager

b)I think a more villagery approach would be like alianna's readlist, where she i) admitted explicitly to having a lack of wolfreads and b) concluded "there's likely a decent amount of wolves in the inactives," which is a valid conclusion imo. rather than like, aisa forcing herself to turn on different actives, such as her former townreads

I don't really think her progression on Andante from townread to a vote in the next post comes from scum

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Yeah I got there

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I think psychologically it's kind of difficult for someone to write posts that quickly contradict themselves, and it seems like she's seeking to reassure herself of her read by looking at past games

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What's ur overall read on aisa

I've been town on Aisa even if we ignore her Andante read

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Though now that I have her ISO up >_>, Aisa do you have an updated read on Drew?

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It is for me, idk

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Andante why do you tr enchant again? It seems like it was for the PR claim initially but i see you still tr him after he retracted it

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Town

Aisa, Invisibility
Implosion, sheepsaysmeep, Alianna
Andante, Enchant
skitter30, Cephrir, Menalque - null
GuerillaWoo, Dunnstral

Scum

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Enchant is a vibe read based on his reaction to implosion's push on him

Spoiler:

I GOT KILLED BECAUSE I PICKED BULLETPROOF WHICH WAS RIGHT CHOICE I WILL MAKE AS TOWN BECAUSE BEING IMMORTAL IS DOPE

VOTE: implosionVOTE: implosionVOTE: implosionVOTE: implosionVOTE: implosionVOTE: implosionVOTE: implosionVOTE: implosionVOTE: implosionVOTE: implosionVOTE: implosionVOTE: implosionVOTE: implosion

idk, feels like he's thinks he's being wronged.

I would like to see andante answer my question about her Enchant read

Woo I haven't really liked any of his contributions, and a lot of people quickly town read him for those contributions in a way that feels somewhat unlikely if he were town

I didn't like Dunnstral's entrance, and I'm interested to see where he goes when he comes back

@Mena, I'm actually kinda curious why you said you wanted to hear from me/Woo/Dunn because I think both Woo and Dunn are scummy

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I really do hope there's no SK and Andante has to lose face over this implosion-is-the-SK bullshit because it's actually irking me.

She hasnt brought this up in a while so this comment feela fairly out of place

no, she brought it up this morning

Oh fair i only skimmed that one

do you usually skim the posts of people you scumread?

VOTE: Dunnstral

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(1) why didn't you like Dunn's entrance?

I think people tend to townread people who push the game out of RVS and being active in the early game, and that doesn't make them scum. I have some difficulty thinking Dunn genuinely believes that

The "your nullreads are actually scumreads" point felt like splitting hairs

also a thought that crossed my mind earlier was did Dunnstral really see Alianna's readslist, open up activity overview, and cross check it? I feel like this is a kind of read that is more likely to come from someone who had already read the entire game and had a sense of who was active and who was not, but he claimed he didn't do that

he was also one of the people who threw out a fast townread on Woo, and while I realize not all of those people are going to be scum, he's also not towny out of that group

(2) what do you like about Alianna?

I went to quote some posts out of her ISO that I liked for you, but uh, on the whole she feels more reactive than I remembered. Here are some posts I remember liking though-

Spoiler:

Current reads: Andante is towny because reasons, Aisa and Invisibility are towny because vibes, Doc and CSF are ever so slightly north of null (Doc because I kind of want to trust Aisa's meta read and CSF because 151 is a good post), and

skitter might be sus but I need to re-read her ISO.

Meh, skitter can go back in the nullbin.

One question though Alianna, shouldn't you have a meta read on me by now and not have to trust another player?

If you think I should have a meta read on you, do you have a meta read on me?

I liked how she responded to Drew's question in 227, and then she actually flipped the question back to her interrogator!

I don’t agree with the idea that Andante is obvious town or that Invis is tunnelling her, but I don’t necessarily think Andante making those assertions is scum-indicative.

I think this is a good post. I think instead of honing in on some things in her ISO that maybe don't feel consistent, she takes a more holistic approach. It was very similar to how I felt at that point in the game

The wagon on Andante's pretty good, but Drew has said he wants to catch up so I don't know why he's being wagoned either.

I'll keep that in mind, ty

Why is the wagon on Andante good?

Came in with some brazen stuff and immediately self-declared obv town. The assumption ig is that scum wouldn't engage in any bravado or start questioning TRs on themselves? But that assumption is worth more when it's not Andante just saying "So what I did just now makes me locktown". It comes off as awareness of reads on yourself, and like, feigning confidence in RVS is just super easy to do. She did this after saying Implo is tryharding early.

It's a solid place for a wagon.

I need to reread the thread and try to figure out if I have any town reads based on anything said that early. I think Invis and skitter saw the logic in

not

seeing the logic in Andante's posts, but I'm not sure if there were any more, and I don't have a better yardstick for townie behavior thus far.

If you think Andante is a good wagon, why did you never vote her?

Good post

Not interested in Andante wagon because I think she's town. The votes there are all meh for different reasons.
Drew wagon is somehow even more meh.
Cephrir and Invis are voting there because...why?
Woo wagon feels slightly better, at least on CSF's side. 250 raises some good points. Doc's 285 feels a little tinfoily though lol.

Not much explanation for this one idk, I just liked it

(3) have you played much with enchant?

yeah I've played several games with him now. If you're trying to gauge whether or not I am good at reading him, I have unfortunately come to realize that I am not. I like playing with him tho, Enchant is a vibe

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I believe Andante claim and don't think she would be a good lim today

You believe the claim "I'm a pr"? Do you know how easy it is for mafia to fake claim that in this setup?

She wasn't that close to a lim, the claim didn't come out of duress. I was also thinking she was town anyway

What is your read on her? and on Enchant?

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You mean the newbie we just played?

I wasn't referring to meta there btw, i just meant that you were more reactive than i remembered this game

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also a thought that crossed my mind earlier was did Dunnstral really see Alianna's readslist, open up activity overview, and cross check it?

Well I posted an image of me doing that so I'd say yes I did do that. I'm not sure what you are arguing here.

Yes you did but not without reading the game first. Or is checking activity overview something you randomly just do?

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Enchant can you claim?

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ive been just wanting hammer lol

for selfish reasons

but I know other ppl are like pls allow more time so wtv

You're already voting there