Open 876 - Fire and Ice - Postgame

[Doctor Drew]

My favourite part of this setup is that I can just claim Doctor and the scumteams don't know whether to kill me or not

I am the only one with the credentials to do so.

VOTE: Oclax

Let's just 1v1 and make it easier on both of us.

[Doctor Drew]

My favourite part of this setup is that I can just claim Doctor and the scumteams don't know whether to kill me or not

I am the only one with the credentials to do so.

Hmmm. Are you sure? What if there's a silent Doctor in furtive's name? Like furtdoctoriveglance, y'know?

VOTE: Oclax

Let's just 1v1 and make it easier on both of us.

I approve of this strategy. Not because you two are going to come after me otherwise. Noooooo not at aaaaaaaaall.

Great point, let's just cut to the chase shall we
VOTE: Aureal

[Doctor Drew]

i just skimmed this game before work and it makes negative sense

ill read everything more attentively later but i doubt itll make any more sense

At the risk of agreeing with you.....I uh, kinda agree.

I fear Ice is being used as mis-elim bait, they do have a style that gets them in hot water, and you kinda get that after playing a few games with them.

I kind of feel Bianco would and should know that.

[Doctor Drew]

Yes

[Doctor Drew]

That coupled with the vague reasoning, like they want someone else to make the case for Ice.

[Doctor Drew]

Have they played together?

If we're just limiting to IceDragon70 then ongoing game, if we include games from DragonEater70 then Weird Dreams Mafia I and Open 874

Oh yes sorry, I wasn't including ongoing games, and forgot that not everyone knew they were the same person.

PEdit: I appreciate that you believe I am that big a threat to you as scum Bianco lol.

But that is a bit of a wifomy defense.

[Doctor Drew]

i just skimmed this game before work and it makes negative sense

ill read everything more attentively later but i doubt itll make any more sense

At the risk of agreeing with you.....I uh, kinda agree.

I fear Ice is being used as mis-elim bait, they do have a style that gets them in hot water, and you kinda get that after playing a few games with them.

I kind of feel Bianco would and should know that.

Why do you think scum would go for lim-bait instead of actively hunting for the other groupscum?

-A

Wasn't really thinking about that tbh.

But in multiball like this, and if you are scum there is always a chance that the lim-bait is scum. Personally I wouldn't overthink things on D1 and just try to find the easiest path and just hope for the best.

PEdit: Nowhere did I say let's wagon Bianco. And you wonder why I always have my eye out for you lol.

[Doctor Drew]

I was thinking more of Python at that step than bianco. People are definitely trying to wagon Python. And furtive is apparently after Bulge, who is after Python? I'm reading in spurts from work, but I think that's what going on!

Oh I get it, there is more I need to catch up on, but the Bianco/Ice thing was really the first thing that caught my eye and is/was deserving of a bit of a deep dive on.

[Doctor Drew]

Oh God, we are in the intense mech speak portion of the game?

Someone bring back rvs.

[Doctor Drew]

Oh lord I asked for that, didn't I?

I just wanted people to have hope that scum would shoot each other.

Whatever. Now it's your responsibility to translate the mech for us >:(

Or just time to wagon her

[Doctor Drew]

But...but...I like her

I like Aureal, she is good people, some say the best.

But who doesn't love a good wagon?

Or, and here me out, how about a Bianco wagon?

Either/or to drown out the mech speak.

[Doctor Drew]

Yay Black!

VOTE: Bianco

[Doctor Drew]

Is this one missing something?

Yeah...this wagon as it rides on by you

Wanna jump on?

No. Tell me, both of you, why it and others should.

Don't be such a spoil sport.

Hop on now for guaranteed excitement and intrigue!*



*excitement and intrigue not guaranteed

[Doctor Drew]

I think this one is town.

Yeah...I'm starting to think HPE just doesn't use its vote a lot. I only played one other game with it and it didn't make its first real vote until like post 400

Were they town?

[Doctor Drew]

Well less then half the posts to vote here, clearly means they are scum this game.

[Doctor Drew]

What the hell Alianna. You were so ready for that page top it's unreal

Ooh, someone on this player list will be very upset about that.

[Doctor Drew]

Also, scum is more likely to acquiesce compared to town.

[Doctor Drew]

Also, scum is more likely to acquiesce compared to town.

You mean like how this one acquiesced in the

opposite direction

whilst Black was asking it to vote with her and you on bianco?

Did you just admit you are scum?

[Doctor Drew]

Also, scum is more likely to acquiesce compared to town.

You mean like how this one acquiesced in the

opposite direction

whilst Black was asking it to vote with her and you on bianco?

Did you just admit you are scum?

That's a REALLY interesting way to read that post.

I mean, you worded that in a very interesting way.

[Doctor Drew]

My question to you Drew is: Why would an acquiescing scum!HPE decide to vote Black instead of taking the easily excusable opportunity vote on bianco, or the easily excusable scumread vote on IceDragon? Not go "oh yeah, application of pressure, sure! VOTE: Some Poor Sod"? You indirectly and Black directly encouraged it to join the bianco wagon, after all.

You can try and say "HPE you're just trying to trick me by talking about the opportunity you didn't take!!" but it's like, such a braindead easy spot to throw a vote in at, or even prior when IceDragon's wagon was getting going and it refused to join.

I enjoy all this energy you are putting into this defense. Kinda reminds me of Eminem at the end of 8 Mile....say all the the things that could make you look bad before someone else could. Thought you might even add 'Fuck the Free World' at the end there.

There are a million things you 'could have' done. But why did you choose the one you did? And also, do you normally take forever to lay a vote down as Black hinted at?

But most importantly, while I think Bianco has a decent shot at being scum here, I don't think they would enjoy being called a poor sod lol.

[Doctor Drew]

You can try and say "HPE you're just trying to trick me by talking about the opportunity you didn't take!!" but it's like, such a braindead easy spot to throw a vote in at, or even prior when IceDragon's wagon was getting going and it refused to join.

There are a million things you 'could have' done. But why did you choose the one you did? And also, do you normally take forever to lay a vote down as Black hinted at?

But most importantly, while I think Bianco has a decent shot at being scum here, I don't think they would enjoy being called a poor sod lol.

This one doesn't see anything wrong with Bianco's posts, and it believes the wagon, for pressure or no, was 1) unnecessary and 2) kinda sus. Granted it probably should've voted you since you were the initiator of the wagon itself, but Black was the one asking me to vote, after all. Part of it was just giving in to Black wanting this one to use it's vote, but still.

And that poor sod could be bianco OR Ice!!! Maybe even a secret funny third option!!!

Pressure is always necessary, especially this early in a game, not sure why you don't see that.

Do you normally take forever to vote as Black hinted at?

And honestly thought my 8 Mile joke would get a bit more of a reaction here.....this makes me sad.

And Oclax, make it easy to read me and join this wagon!

[Doctor Drew]

I'll get a bit of momentum going here, sure. Drew tends to be a bit more jokey as scum I think, and I've seen a bit of that here.

VOTE: Doctor Drew

I always thought I was much looser and shit postier(is that a word?) as town.

Bianco, I only asked the question about HPE's voting style because Black brought it up and made the point that it usually takes HPE forever to vote, but Black was able to get HPE to vote much quicker. So I turned to HPE to ask if they normally holster their vote as Black alluded to.

And I was pretty sure it wasn't a scum slip, but as I said was worded in a very interesting way that made me say 'wait what?' when I first read it, so I wanted to gauge HPE's reaction when I questioned the post.

Yes my follow up was vague, but I was sensing that HPE can get a bit aggressive and wantsd to poke and prod more to see if they actually would slip, or just provide some good AI stuffs.

Not surprised it led to votes on me tbh, but have at everyone.

[Doctor Drew]

It doesn't really feel like I've found my footing in this game and I seriously can't believe there's a meta wagon on me rn

Upset on the reasons you are caught, or just upset being caught?

[Doctor Drew]

Mmh, this one isn't too super sure how it feels about this wagon as a whole. Might just head over to the Drew wagon since materializing and calling for others to join a bianco wagon still leaves a bad taste in its mouth.

I thought, and still do think, that Bianco has a high probability of being scum. You can disagree with me on that read, but why wouldn't I want a wagon on a scum read?

[Doctor Drew]

Osuka, since you are here, what do you make of HPE threatening to jump of Black and back onto me?

[Doctor Drew]

Mmh, this one isn't too super sure how it feels about this wagon as a whole. Might just head over to the Drew wagon since materializing and calling for others to join a bianco wagon still leaves a bad taste in its mouth.

I thought, and still do think, that Bianco has a high probability of being scum. You can disagree with me on that read, but why wouldn't I want a wagon on a scum read?

Can you atleast elaborate on why bianco feels scummy to you?

Going after someone they know can be elim bait, very wifomy and shallow defense when I questioned it, then discrediting my questions to you as dumb and crazy when Black was the one to bring up the questions(specifically her insistence that you take forever to vote).

I generally default to town reading Bianco right off the bat, but this Bianco is different.

[Doctor Drew]

Mmh, this one isn't too super sure how it feels about this wagon as a whole. Might just head over to the Drew wagon since materializing and calling for others to join a bianco wagon still leaves a bad taste in its mouth.

I thought, and still do think, that Bianco has a high probability of being scum. You can disagree with me on that read, but why wouldn't I want a wagon on a scum read?

Also HPE, probably got buried, but wanted to make sure you saw this and wondered your thoughts.

[Doctor Drew]

Mmh, this one isn't too super sure how it feels about this wagon as a whole. Might just head over to the Drew wagon since materializing and calling for others to join a bianco wagon still leaves a bad taste in its mouth.

I thought, and still do think, that Bianco has a high probability of being scum. You can disagree with me on that read, but why wouldn't I want a wagon on a scum read?

Also HPE, probably got buried, but wanted to make sure you saw this and wondered your thoughts.

Not really anything on that post in particular because yeah fair vote your scumreads, which is why this one asked you

why

you scumread them.

Ok, just wasn't sure if you saw that post. Makes sense in retrospect why you asked to explain my read though lol.

[Doctor Drew]

Mmh, this one isn't too super sure how it feels about this wagon as a whole. Might just head over to the Drew wagon since materializing and calling for others to join a bianco wagon still leaves a bad taste in its mouth.

I thought, and still do think, that Bianco has a high probability of being scum. You can disagree with me on that read, but why wouldn't I want a wagon on a scum read?

Can you atleast elaborate on why bianco feels scummy to you?

Going after someone they know can be elim bait, very wifomy and shallow defense when I questioned it, then discrediting my questions to you as dumb and crazy when Black was the one to bring up the questions(specifically her insistence that you take forever to vote).

I generally default to town reading Bianco right off the bat, but this Bianco is different.

Hmmm. You've played a lot with bianco, then? I'm kind of surprised. What do you think of bianco's turn against Black?

Is weak reasoning(again), seems a bit of wagon hopping as well.

[Doctor Drew]

i _almost want_ to find a reason to townread black on the basis of town who legitimately got tilted and fucking gave up

I didn't get tilted or give up, and tbh I don't really care if you tr me

You do seem to care since you have responded trying to defend yourself.

Also, I have caught scum purely based off meta I have had with that person. Again, seems like you are upset that you are caught for reasons that you don't like.

[Doctor Drew]

Yes I did explain the push on Bianco initially, and didn't like how they discredited my questions I had to HPE.

Also, python how did I really push HPE? I took what Black said about HPE's voting style and ran with it, yes I poked/prodded/and pressured, but I never was really thinking of wagoning them. In fact, in retrospect given how Black has been acting, Black could have just been throwing shade at HPE hoping that I WOULD start a push and wagon on HPE(that thought kinda just popped in my head while typing this).

As far as Bulge, I do agree it is odd that they have seemingly danced around discussing me, especially given the discussions surrounding the Bianco wagon and by proxy HPE as well.

Pre Edit: Actually Black my initial push was just off Bianco voting Ice in the manner they did. But my scum read gained strength how they acted after my initial suspicions. And an early game wagon isn't just to figure out the person you put on the wagon, but how everyone else reacts as well.

There was something else about Bulge, but I am phone posting and I want to get this post out and then make sure it was actually Bulge who said it.

[Doctor Drew]

Oh yes it was Bulge, but more about userPython.

I joke around about 'ugh, mech speak' but I get that in certain game types it can come in handy to break things down like that. But it seems like the main conclusion is that 'hey, we should hunt scum'. I think Bulge said it best here

your other posts considering nolims are pointless bc why would we ever do that. these mechposts are a waste of time at best and an active distraction from any actual scumhunting/townplay at worst

Especially since others have rolled their eyes at the mech speak, and python seemed to double down on it. Almost seems like they are purposely obfuscating the game under the guise of seeming so obvtown on the surface.

Pre Edit: Open wolfing is my play style lol

[Doctor Drew]

Pre Edit: Open wolfing is my play style lol

Can anyone that has played with Drew confirm this?

I shit post and have fun, but I really was trying to gauge how genuine your frustrations were, and tbh I am still not sure.

Alice, I do agree with you about Bulge. But I feel their reaction to being questioned about it is more townie than scummy, like they won't acquiesce just to appear towny. But maybe they have just pocketed me since I agree with them about the mech speak lol.

Nameless, the thing is I think your heart is in the right place, but my gut is telling me this is a scum tactic. Which means my brain has to make the final decision, and that isn't good for anyone haha.

[Doctor Drew]

Pre Edit: Open wolfing is my play style lol

If this is the case then Drew not mentioning Bulge and Bulge not mentioning Drew until now looks really bad

-A

I also haven't mentioned you until now, or Furtive, or Koki, and barely Aureal. In fact, most of my game here has been Bianco and HPE, with a bit of Black and osuka in there as well. Are they all my scum buddies? Are you?

I only talked about Bulge because you(or someone here today) asked me about them. There wasn't much for me to say that wasn't already said, and I repeated. The mech speak post they made was an 'oh ya there was one thing now that you reminded me' sort of thing.

You are attaching me to the Bulge for them not really discussing me, and puts me in a spot where they is no way to defend against that.

[Doctor Drew]

Bulge is very likely scum, I'm gonna move back.

VOTE: The Bulge

are you going to do anything this game or

Yellow M&M

You and Drew
Plus another 2

That's the game

I am glad that you and python have decided what my role is, I will alert the mod that I was actually supposed to be scum here.

[Doctor Drew]

Post Edit: Have decided my role based off another player not really commenting on my slot.

Hey python, I interacted with Furt now, so they can't be my scum buddy right?

[Doctor Drew]

Bianco knows how to butter me up, and I may just fall for it.

But after sitting on it for a bit, feel a bit more confident about this given today's interactions.

VOTE: python

[Doctor Drew]

Also, I am totally cult, I will consider everyone besides python to recruit tonight.

[Doctor Drew]

Oh shit, actually forgot Oclaxian was in the game haha.

[Doctor Drew]

yeah ive been mildly keeping up with game and i oddly tr you on my skims which makes me think you're actually just scum LOL

i don't think you're playing any differently, i just genuinely think you have a townie tone thus far

I don't like this haha, this feels weird.

[Doctor Drew]

i _almost want_ to find a reason to townread black on the basis of town who legitimately got tilted and fucking gave up

I didn't get tilted or give up, and tbh I don't really care if you tr me

You do seem to care since you have responded trying to defend yourself.

Also, I have caught scum purely based off meta I have had with that person. Again, seems like you are upset that you are caught for reasons that you don't like.

You know, honestly I think this might be a good summation of why I don't think Black is Mafia here. I think she's confident and good enough as that alignment to not show irritation at getting scumread like this.

This is a big reason I haven't pulled the trigger on voting black, I can relate to the frustration of being rung up as town for bullshit reasons.

Hilarious.

I backtracked and basically proposed mech plan is "to win we need to kill mafia".

Haha, I love you Enchant.

[Doctor Drew]

Why would I defend Bulge? That makes no sense, yes I have a town lean on them, but I will not stop anyone from voting them if the consensus is there that they are scum.

I have been defensive because I am lockscum in your eyes, python, because of the seemingly passive nature Bulge has had to me.

I have pointed out had dumb that logic is, maybe I need to make some way too over complicated post with some algorithms and fancy maths to show you how dumb, but that's not my style.

Cue the next post by you saying 'see, Drew is flailing now' lol

Python, how about if we just 1v1 you and Bulge?

[Doctor Drew]

I will literally self-hammer d2 if it's not Bulge/Drew

-A

Well then we will continue this chat in the dead thread if you have any integrity. But I am sure you will have some excuse tomorrow why you hold up your end of the gambit.

Also why are you twisting my words? The only thing I know here is that I am town. So yes, and I will say it again and hopefully you listen this time, I have a town lean on Bulge but not confident enough to do this little gambit you are pulling.

I am not fine with a town lean being elim'ed, but I don't exactly have the power to stop it if the consensus is there.

[Doctor Drew]

*why you don't hold up your end

[Doctor Drew]

Shrugging your shoulders and going "welp nothing I can do about it" instead of actively fighting against consensus to keep your tr's alive is not townie behaviour

-A

Also digging your heels in on being confident you caught two scum on a dumb illogical associative is not smart behavior.

It is D1, the only thing confident I am is that you are scum. Of course I would argue for someone else if a town read was being strung up, like I dunno.....am arguing for you? Or how I continued to push Bianco over Bulge? Or how even though I was going back and forth on Black I didn't vote them?

There is nothing changing YOUR mind, how is that a town mindset coming from you?

But this is fine, if me dying means you die next.....let's do it.

[Doctor Drew]

I will say Re: Furtive

Never played with them as scum, but always gut read them as scum early on. Have learned that this is kinda par for the course townFurt in my experiences with him.

[Doctor Drew]

I thought it was Black, maybe that vc was outdated.

I still think Black is very sus but I can move if need be.

What's the voting at?

nvm I realised what you mean, yeah no I want a Drew/Bulge wagon going unless you've got a case for both scum!Black and who her scum partner is. I'm not willing to compromise on chaining lims on groupscum

-A

I mean, you were already completely wrong chaining a townie to someone....

And this might be a stupid question Python, but is the sole crux of your scum read of Bulge this supposed associative with me?

[Doctor Drew]

I mean, you were already completely wrong chaining a townie to someone....

And this might be a stupid question Python, but is the sole crux of your scum read of Bulge this supposed associative with me?

For an openwolf enjoyer you really need to learn that the fastest way to catch openwolves is through associatives on both ends of W/W interactions (or the glaring lack of interactions in this case). Also I'm wagoning Bulge instead of you because Bianco isn't willing to vote you and the solve is Bulge/Drew, we're sorry you're the one bringing down the Bulge/Drew team

-A

That's not a very town mindset. Does Mafia bore you or something?

Didn't Lorne in DN have the same mindset? Something not being a townie mindset doesn't mean they're scum.

-A

Lorne was also a racist troll, I think that makes Enchant at least slightly better lol. Pre Edit: Oclax sniped menlol

Python, you literally made up your mind about Bulge and I as a scum team and then worked your argument to fit your incorrect conclusion, then plugged your ears and said 'La La La I can't hear you!' when I tried point out how dumb it is to immediately jump to that conclusion and not even think that there is a smidge of a chance you are wrong.

And spoiler, you are wrong.

That being said, I do hope you are correct about Bulge. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

[Doctor Drew]

btw Drew are you phoneposting?

-A

I have been house sitting all week, so I only have my phone to post.

Is it that obvious? Lol

[Doctor Drew]

Did i even lie to you

Guys I think Enchant is 3p.

[Doctor Drew]

Did i even lie to you

Guys I think Enchant is 3p.

[Doctor Drew]

Mala's kinda just existing this game

-A

furtive and icedragon and aureal as well

'scuse me, why are you lumping me in with the people who have both far fewer posts than me and far less content in them? Or is this just your handwaved way of talking about people who aren't currently getting voted? I mean, you didn't include bianco in there and I've definitely got more posts than her.

extremely peculiar thing to get defensive about

1) I try my best to contribute so it stings when people accuse me of not doing so.
2) I think that statement is pretty clearly wrong* and could be a way of throwing shade to justify a wagon at some point.
3) I have quite recently BEEN mislimmed, by some people in this game, on that sort of grounds. After I went to a great deal of effort to point out exactly how an actual mafia was using that sort of argument as a distraction to avoid having to produce content of their own.


* like post count is a totally objective measure and ours weren't even in the same ballpark, but if we're going the "what can I remember about this person" route I think people like you and Oclax would also pretty well fit into the "uh... IDK, lemme go check the ISO" category

I think the point they were making is that there are many people here who 'appear' to not be contributing(not saying you aren't). And the way I see it Python seems to pick and choose who they call out for certain things.

Also I totally pictured you snapping your fingers as you said 'scuse me' lol

[Doctor Drew]

I think the point they were making is that there are many people here who 'appear' to not be contributing(not saying you aren't). And the way I see it Python seems to pick and choose who they call out for certain things.

I think we're all gonna 'appear' to not be contributing with the way Python is flooding the zone. I know that's how they play but... yikes. I hate having to play catch-up like I'm doing because I can't keep up with the mile-a-minute way the game's been rolling while I'm at work; and I hate even more that I think at least half my responses are to Python. x_x

Also I totally pictured you snapping your fingers as you said 'scuse me' lol

Sadly, I have no special powers when I snap my fingers. XD

Oh you would have hated the game that just ended that I was scum in, Black can tell you.....she subbed out(and no judgment there) because it became a scum spam fest(but we won, so it worked out lol).

But since it appears to be the Aureal and Drew show right now(you get top billing, of course). Outside of the python/drew/bulge dynamic, who are you wanting to kick the tires on?

[Doctor Drew]

Well I'd say Enchant but I know THAT'S useless here, lol.

Obviously we need more from Malakittens, hope she feels better soon. I haven't really actually played with her yet but pressure might be needed there eventually to get more, from what I can tell.

No idea what's going on with furtive other than this is how he plays now. Doesn't seem like it'd be hard to replicate as scum even though we saw it as town.

I... really can't remember much of note from Oc other than hating on Python for main-hunting. And apparently getting stoned? I thought they're back from VLA now but they only popped in to mention furtive's play, so hm.

...this really is the Python/Drew/Bulge/Black game, isn't it? XD

You're posting a lot more than usual, are you bored house-sitting?

I actually am back home now, on my laptop....so much easier haha.

Furt is Furt, not pushing him at all for now.

I was hoping more from Oclax at this point, not saying it is a thing, but we have trouble reading each other so I would want some substance from them to chew on a bit.

Mala, honestly not expecting much from them soon. Personal health is more important.

But ya, I guess i just am in the spotlight whether I like it or not haha.

And Bulge managed to be in the spotlight without doing much lol.

[Doctor Drew]

I will say I keep going back and forth on Black, like I get the frustration......but something seems a bit phony about her.

[Doctor Drew]

I don't think Black is an easy read, whatever Kokichi may say. I think Python mentioned that she had the same vibes so far in their DN read as she had in her scum games.

Glad you mentioned Koki. I only have had experience with them as scum(we were part of the scum team in a game).

I feel like Koki has the confidence in their play to pull off crazy shit as scum.

[Doctor Drew]

This is the second time you've mentioned Yellow M&Ms, are you hungry furtive?

[Doctor Drew]

Green is the scummy m&m.

Way to out yourself Black

[Doctor Drew]

Green is the scummy m&m.

Way to out yourself Black

Ngl I thought Kokichi posted this at first glance

I am actually a Kokichi alt.

[Doctor Drew]

Please look at the wagon on us and tell us how we live past d2

You're smart. I'm not putting it past you to figure it out

We forgot to ask this earlier, but where exactly is this conception of us coming from?

-A

If you are town then scum will keep you alive since you are so misguided.

If you are scum(which is the only thing that makes sense here), other scum probably won't view you as a threat.

So don't you worry, I don't have a conception you are a smart player.

[Doctor Drew]

Post Edit: Came off a bit meaner then I meant it, I mean that I get what you are doing as scum, but other scum would keep you alive since you are also misguided(unless this by design?) thinking you have caught scum(me).

It also boggles my mind that this all started because Bulge didn't really comment on me, and somehow that makes me look scummier then them lol.

Pre Edit: Again sorry, wasn't trying to insult you, just your play.

And on phone, didn't feel like editing down the post.

[Doctor Drew]

Insulting someone's play = insulting them if you ask me.

Tbf, they insinuated I was losing the game for my supposed scum team, that's a pretty clear insult of my supposed scum play.

But again, I am just frustrated and was meaning to just say how misguided, illogical, and flat out wrong you are if you are town. And the only logical thing here is you are scum.

But, full apologies again for taking it a step too far, realized it as soon as I hit submit, and I hate
to be the mean asshole type.

[Doctor Drew]

I allow everyone to insult my play, because it's already common knowledge.

I accept it because I've been a bad boy and hence deserve it.

Probably shouldn't point people to your wiki then.

[Doctor Drew]

I don't really know why Bulge wouldn't discuss me in particular, but I could see Bulge not wanting to get involved in a situation where their potential scum buddy(like I mentioned in that quote I was focused in on mainly Bianco and HPE, and somewhat with Black).

So although I do have a town lean on Bulge, I could see a world that if Bulge is scum they could be associated with one of those three people I mentioned.

[Doctor Drew]

But again, Bulge isn't a hard town read, like I said it is a slight town lean.

And 537 was when I really was getting frustrated because it seemed as if you formed a conclusion and just shut the door and wouldn't even consider any other possibilities.

[Doctor Drew]

You've pretty much done absolutely nothing to defend your townlean since then, it just reeks of not caring what Bulge actually flips.

-A

Like Bulge hits E-2 and you don't have anything to say about it?

-A

I have stated multiple times my feelings on Bulge and how I feel they are more likely town. But on D1 I am not going to feel overly confident on any level of town read to hard defend them. I hope you do seem something in Bulge that I don't and they do flip scum.

Others have even stated that they wouldn't hard defend a town read on D1, but you seem so narrowly focused on doing whatever you can to paint my words and actions as scummy. Again, you have formed a conclusion and are doing whatever you can to form an argument to match your conclusion. How is that town motivated?

I think you are scum though and would much prefer we elim you, I am sure Enchant would join me if you would prefer that lol.

[Doctor Drew]

Or does me not hard defending Bulge completely destroy your narrative that bulge and I 'must' be scum buddies lol.

[Doctor Drew]

drew, i need to review kori's notes on, bc i remember kori said they think drew is town, and that makes them think drew actually rolled scum.

What lol

Tbf, reference the quote from hectic in my sig. It kinda was a thing for a bit.

[Doctor Drew]

Drel: So what do you make of it then Bianco? I haven't looked at your ISO, nor the game in general, but what do you make of it? Do you think Drew/Bulge are aligned with one another?

As I've stated somewhere, I do not believe that it's any likely for Drew to be scum and Bulge not samescum.
If Bulge is scum, yes, I rekon the assoc looks bad. Otherwise not, and that's a good chunk of the reason I'm so opposed to a Drew wagon

Now I am looking at this from town colored glasses, but what associations are there? This is a big part of my read on Python because I don't get it, would love someone other than them to explain it though.

[Doctor Drew]

Well like I said earlier about my post there, that is when my frustration with Pythons read was growing because nothing made sense to me why I was connected to Bulge. And I was more trying to point out the illogical nature of their read.

But I mean, python said looked bad because of the actions of someone else, and I could tell they were already being deaf to how wrong they were, so ya....of course I got defensive.

[Doctor Drew]

Where the hell is osuka? Can't believe I actually miss that asshole(I say that lovingly lol).

[Doctor Drew]

PAGETOP bc it makes me happy after puking for 20 mins

Oh dear, as a qualified doctor I prescribe voting Python, makes you feel better right away.

[Doctor Drew]

I feel like a good ol fashioned read list could be good right about now, with a little twist since the talk of me not defending Bulge has been a topic.

Here is the tiers of Drew's willingness to elim, in four tiers(ranked strongest to weakest from top to bottom)

Tier 1(Nope, not gonna happen):
HPE
Oclax
Furt

Tier 2(Meh, I won't fight it, but won't be too much of a fan):
Enchant
Aureal
Koki
Osuka
Mala
Bulge

Tier 3(The Bianco tier)
Bianco

Tier 4(Kill them with fire)
Black
Python

[Doctor Drew]

osuka is receiving a warning for post 966.

I feel like there has been much worse posted, by me even.

[Doctor Drew]

Osuka, you didn't talk about the main connective tissue in all of this....me

[Doctor Drew]

you're not being voted?

Python wants me dead

[Doctor Drew]

no yeah i just checked the vc and you're not

i mean i don't know where to put you either to be honest. my first instinct is to say town but i want to dig more into the bulge associative thing people were talking about, since that doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me either

python has made zero sense all game and i have been in a state of abject confusion the entire time ive been here so im probably not the person anyone wants to ask what the fuck is going on

So why not a Python counter wagon for now?

[Doctor Drew]

isnt python at e-2?

No, that would be bulge?

[Doctor Drew]

wouldn't that be both?

You think they are buddies?

[Doctor Drew]

I wish Bulge would come back, getting lonely in our PT.

And didn't expect you to settle for anyone, python.

[Doctor Drew]

Also I am not down with a furtive elim at any point this game

-A

It comes from being in the closest thing to mountainous mutli-ball that'll be run on this site this year

Is this your favorite game type?

Only thing that could make it better would be adding cults

-A

Well I agree with you on two things, cults make everything better(and I know Oclax will agree).

And I am also not down with a Furt elim today.

[Doctor Drew]

Is osuka back from buying, what I can only assume is fancy towels, from Target?

[Doctor Drew]

Why you asking, you too wanna hammer before he comes back?

After 1098 it does sound like it could be entertaining

Ha, to get the wrath of osuka? Yes please

[Doctor Drew]

I’d say take a closer look at the following players once everyone is done with the phytonutrients/bulge/drew

{Black, bianso}

Pinging tells me there’s one in there.^

It’s either
Black is now completely titled at this game
Or doesn’t care in general
Or really doesn’t care for me right now in general

I know which one
But it doesn’t look good on her at all

She’s off this game

Listen, I could go for a flash Black wagon.

[Doctor Drew]

Or really doesn’t care for me right now in general

What? I adore you

It's just the weekend that's all

VOTE: Black

[Doctor Drew]

What in the actual fuck has been happening today?

[Doctor Drew]

holy shit you guys what the fuck i went to target and now there's 10 pages to read

Did you get lost at Target?

How many fancy towels did you buy?

[Doctor Drew]

Hmmmm, I think I am ready to go back to python and lock it in.

[Doctor Drew]

Yeah context matters, but I just find your position earlier compared to your position now kinda opportunistic

Opportunistic how?

[Doctor Drew]

UNVOTE: Koki

Still ok with this lim but I don't really want a hammer tonight

Why is everyone so scared of the hammer?

VOTE: python

[Doctor Drew]

I suggest just voting me. I will not go back on my gut reads, when I do I usually regret it

Why give up like this?

[Doctor Drew]

Black, haven't you been feeling that koki is scum?

Why are you upset that Aureal put them at E-1?

[Doctor Drew]

Why are you upset that Aureal put them at E-1?

I'm not upset at all. I just got scumread it

But you hated Koki's push on you.

You scum read them right?

[Doctor Drew]

Why are you upset that Aureal put them at E-1?

I'm not upset at all. I just got scumread it

But you hated Koki's push on you.

You scum read them right?

And you got scared of their hammer....so you unvoted them.

And now you are making Aureal look bad for voting them?

Nah, this is sus as fuck.

Pre Edit: Fuck off with that, you unvoted them because you said you were scared someone would hammer than over night. You didn't mention anything about town reading them. And now out of nowhere you have a town read on them? Puh.....lease

Sorry Python, Black needs to go.

VOTE: Black

[Doctor Drew]

Drew with the spicy solve... Black/Kokichi

Where did I mention anything about Koki being your buddy?

[Doctor Drew]

UNVOTE: Koki

Still ok with this lim but I don't really want a hammer tonight

Again, no mention of Aureal here.

[Doctor Drew]

You scum read them right?

You know what's funny? I think I townread them now

VOTE: Black

Your recent vote hopping is wild

If we wagoned the person that switched votes the most would it just be python?

Is it your scum strategy to make vote hoppers look bad?

[Doctor Drew]

UNVOTE: Koki

Still ok with this lim but I don't really want a hammer tonight

Again, no mention of Aureal here.

There were 3 posts in that sequence and you conveniently left out the one about Aureal

I'll ask you the same question as HPE. If Koki isn't my partner, what is the scum motivation behind me doing this?

You unvoted after you saw Aureal vote them.

You didn't mention anything about suddenly townreading them.

You didn't mention anything about aureal's vote.

You did mention that you didn't want a hammer overnight.

You tell me the conclusion.

[Doctor Drew]

This one mostly means the "hmm maybe its townread".

I think Koki could still be scum but the self vote really throws me off, and I don't think he would make sense as an Aureal buddy. I'm not sure here but I'm not as convinced in Koki!scum as I was

You screamed from the mountain tops about how terrible a read Koki had on you, and even really abused AtE.

So what changed in your read?

[Doctor Drew]

UNVOTE: Koki

Still ok with this lim but I don't really want a hammer tonight

Again, no mention of Aureal here.

There were 3 posts in that sequence and you conveniently left out the one about Aureal

I'll ask you the same question as HPE. If Koki isn't my partner, what is the scum motivation behind me doing this?

You unvoted after you saw Aureal vote them.

You didn't mention anything about suddenly townreading them.

You didn't mention anything about aureal's vote.

You did mention that you didn't want a hammer overnight.

You tell me the conclusion.

[Doctor Drew]

Since I was the first to really scum read Bianco I think it is apropos if I offer to hammer.

Have it all come full circle.

[Doctor Drew]

I

REFUSW

TO

VOTE

BW
LACK

BLACK

I am talking about hammering Bianco

[Doctor Drew]

grim: intent to hammer in about an hour if nobody has objections

Noo! Grim be a buddy(lol) and let me.

[Doctor Drew]

They're teasing you Drew, they're already voting bianco.

Korina wouldn't mess with me like that.

Grim, giving you a side eye.

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Bianco

Mercifully this day ends.

I also hope this draws the wrath of osuka haha.

[Doctor Drew]

And lo, the hammer was finally cast. It was like pulling teeth, wth.

Thou, very unideal, as I'm a VT as it happens

Well, that is to be seen.

But, any thoughts on who would be scum on your wagon?

[Doctor Drew]

And lo, the hammer was finally cast. It was like pulling teeth, wth.

Thou, very unideal, as I'm a VT as it happens

Well, that is to be seen.

But, any thoughts on who would be scum on your wagon?

Probably not you or koki, and also probably not Oclaxian. Furtive I really dn, between Aureal and Black I like Black the less

I am there with you on Black, and somewhat on Aureal.

Hard time seeing Furt though.

[Doctor Drew]

Anyway, I'd like to stop talking mech now. There is a specific thing I think will happen this night if Python is scum, and almost only if unless the RNGod frowns on us. That's the last I'll say on the topic.

I also want to repeat myself that Drew isn't happening today, not with my vote. I have a very strong gutread there that scum!Drew and town!Bulge is not a thing.

Also, since I will not be able to say it tomorrow and if I say it now it will become useless. I'll give a hint and hope nobody catches it until tomorrow.
Iff python is mafia, it's very notable they did talk about a specific piece of mech

Why so mysterious if you are town?

[Doctor Drew]

Because if I say it, then it becomes useless.

Which should be obvious

Ahhh gotcha.

Took a second to grasp what you were saying.

[Doctor Drew]

I have a guilty on Black

VOTE: Black

[Doctor Drew]

I also have a guilty on black

VOTE: Black

Good work on the investigation, we will clean these streets up one scum at a time.

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: enchant

Bro was a fucking scummy entrance

VOTE: Enchant

grim: i dislike enchant's entrance

Uhhhh. Why? What do you expect from Enchant?

not to claim the doctor is a good kill

I mean, is Enchant saying that AI?

Shit, that is almost something I would say for the lulz as well.

Pre Edit: Yes we know the doc being dead isn't good, what is the point of talking about them and their impact on the game now?

[Doctor Drew]

bc fire mafia found the doctor which means they feel comfortable in their position in the game to try to shoot someone who had little impact on the game?

HPE was pretty widely town read, why do you say it goes deeper than that?

Also, opinion on osuka dying?

[Doctor Drew]

we tuned out most of the 1v1s that didn't involve us, but i don't think hpe was widely tr'd like u said, and i'm p. sure hpe wasn't deeply involved in any 1v1s.

At varying times throughout the day the elim was between myself, python, Black, Bianco, Bulge, and Koki.

HPE was never wagoned or had any pressure (besides a little from me early in the day).

So ya, I would say pretty town read.

I don't really think you are acting in good faith here Oclax.

[Doctor Drew]

Also, opinion on osuka dying?

was osuka widely townread? from what ive read they were being toxic, but i typically associate abrasiveness +town!AI

No they weren't widely townread, kinda feel like they were null to most people.

But ya, they were their normal abrasive self.....which is why you are here now lol.

I am trying to get in the mid of the scum though, I feel like one group was trying to hit the other scum team, while the other group was trying to just take out the most townie player.

And trying to figure out if that makes anyone more or less likely as scum, and btw.....I do still scum read your slot.

[Doctor Drew]

hmmm, have you ever seen scum gets tilted out of a game by an abrasive townie? Normally it's frustrated town that does that

when i was reading on why python had to replace out, their interaction with osuka didn't look scum theatre to me, i had reasons to believe it was a TvT and turns out im right on slots

I had been scum reading python pretty hard before that, and I genuinely think that they couldn't play with was osuka and was offended beyond reproach. Especially how they reacted when I somewhat crossed a line with them. Basically their sub out was NAI to me.

[Doctor Drew]

fair enough i guess

Python really was super confident on myself and Bulge being a scum team, what is your opinion?

[Doctor Drew]

fair enough i guess

Python really was super confident on myself and Bulge being a scum team, what is your opinion?

unfortunately i can't read python's minds

Well then, what are you good for lol.

But, I was asking your opinion, not python's.

[Doctor Drew]

still havent read black, and my hpe read was wrong (tho pr makes sense) so i have some reading to do this weekend

So you kinda thought they were the doc?

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Aureal

Still haven't caught up but I want to vote here rn

Catch up please.

You should before we off you.

[Doctor Drew]

I have a guilty on mala trust

Wait a sec, now I don't trust your guilty on Black.

[Doctor Drew]

Oy guys. Are we still in flashwagon mode? While Mala's certainly up there around the top of my suspects list too, she claims to have been sick for a good bit of the game. Especially after her end of day posts, I want to hear more from her about that, where her thoughts were, if she can. I don't want to risk flipping another townie just because she's not thinking clearly while sick. Do you guys think she's lying about being sick?

This. Why are we limming mala??? What did I miss

Quoted for associative reasonings pending a possible Mala flip.

[Doctor Drew]

I don't hate those 4 for scum.

[Doctor Drew]

I struggled to get a bianco vote hopped up on 3 regular hurricanes and then an accidental fishbowl
Tbh I don’t really remember voting there
But I didn’t want to vote black
Just bc I don’t feel black is scum

I actually just read my iso on drunk me
Is it bad I actually can understand it.

Koki I asked you if I was loud enough for you yet.

I remember when town me taunted scum you with that question.

Uhh, you said you were horribly sick one day

And then like a day or two later you were just drunk beyond control?

No judgment on drunk posting, but this story did change quickly.

[Doctor Drew]

Maybe it is the beer talking, but my hammer finger is getting real itchy.

[Doctor Drew]

Maybe it is the beer talking, but my hammer finger is getting real itchy.

That's your red pm talking

I accidentally deleted it so Mod gave me a green one instead, she was so kind to tell me she gave it to you though.

[Doctor Drew]

Maybe it is the beer talking, but my hammer finger is getting real itchy.

That's your red pm talking

I accidentally deleted it so Mod gave me a green one instead, she was so kind to tell me she gave it to you though.

The red one I mean, for clarity

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Mala

This should have probably happened yesterday.

[Doctor Drew]

Aww, you didn't want to see if she'll self-hammer rather than let us discuss her partner?

I didn't want the bullshit of D1 to happen.

Gotta pull the trigger at some point.

[Doctor Drew]

Told you the wagon on Aureal was a good call.

Also this proves that mech speak should equal the death of said person spewing said mech speak.

(Apologies to Bianco and Mala lol)

[Doctor Drew]

Hold on, Ice Maf legit thought Bulge and I were Fire Maf?

Jeez people...

[Doctor Drew]

going to be disappointed if koki doesnt walk away with some formal reprimand but this game's vibes in general were Awful

Osuka probably crossed a line, but did Koki really?

[Doctor Drew]

I do indeed that everyone has different triggers though.

I would really would love playing this setup again soon as well.

[Doctor Drew]

I do indeed that everyone has different triggers though.

I would really would love playing this setup again soon as well.

*I do agree

[Doctor Drew]

only thing better than multiball is cultiball

-C

I don't remember if I commented on this in the dead thread, but I think I might run a big cultiball game one day if I can figure out how to balance that. Wouldn't be anytime soon though.

It is like you know what my perfect setup for Mafia is.

Also I will parrot Black, great job modding Aliana. A++, would play in your games again.

[Doctor Drew]

Congrats to Aureal, who finally rolled scum. And you actually won! Well played!! <3

This also means I now have just cause to tunnel her every game from now on.

[Doctor Drew]

This game was just, blegh

You were a good partner, happy to burn it down anytime

I am just glad I finally saw scumFurt lol.