Newbie Setup (Matrix6 implemented)

[mhsmith0]

Yeah I'm not remotely surprised that it's the worst town win rate of all newbie setups.

[mhsmith0]

Also, I think the semi-open nature of the newbie setup is a good way to bring newbies along on the learning curve; among other things, a fully closed I think skews too heavily in favor of fake claims by veteran players, since newbies won't really have a sense of balance and what makes sense, while semi-open keeps it in range of where fake claiming is a PLAUSIBLE strategy even though it's still dangerous and risky. I also think that having an overall knowledge of what roles are or aren't in the game helps focus efforts and discussion on scumhunting and the day game, which is the the most useful thing for learning anyway.

[mhsmith0]

Would somebody kindly summarize to me what the problems with the following setup were?

You will get one of the following role distributions:

1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Sane Cop, 1 Doctor, 5 Townies.
1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 7 Townies.
2 Mafia Goons, 1 Sane Cop, 6 Townies.
2 Mafia Goons, 1 Doctor, 6 Townies.

If I'm not welcome in this thread, I'll fuck right off, I'm just curious and think I have relevant information as a recent newbie.

Rb/cop/doc is balanced, as matrix6 stats have shown.
Cop and mountianous is balanced, ditto.

Rb and mountainous is insanely scum-sided, especially since "I got roleblocked" is an easy explanation for why you're still alive after fake claiming.

Doc and mountainous is insufficient town power. You can see this because tracker/doc is near 50%, and dropping tracker hurts town a lot.

As far as why balance is important, I'll +1 to comments already made.

Ps opinions and debate are good and we welcome it so don't feel bad at all about asking why

[mhsmith0]

So I've actually been mulling over the balance issues associated with A and 3 (i.e. the 1-shot BP just isn't strong enough and/or tends to just get policy lynched forthe claim since it's unverifiable), and I'm actually leaning against the idea of switching to a universal backup. The reason for this is that if the 1-shot BP goes away, then any time a tracker sees someone go somewhere he/she will KNOW that it's a tracker/doc scenario, and I think that may be a bit TOO much knowledge to give the town.

What do people think about making the 1-shot BP into a 1-shot BP/IC? Like, if the BP uses the IC ability, then he loses the BP (and if BP was already used, then the IC won't work). I'm also considering the same but with a fruit vendor instead a BP, where if fruit is vended then the BP is lost (even if it's on the same night). I'm not really sure of those is *right*, but I feel like we ought to be able to do something to bolster that slot, given that A/3 are the two worst town win rate setups (i.e. the BP just isn't good enough on its own) while still retaining the inherent functionality of the role (i.e. passively protective).