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In post 4794, vonflare wrote:You are anuber-survivor.
If you survive to the endgame, you winalone, and the remaining faction loses.
I've seen this in an Open before (offsite). If the players know it exists, it suddenly makes things very interesting. (The game in question had investigative roles in both factions.)
I suspect it might be rather swingy, though.scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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Weak fruit vendor isn't much better than weak cop, because on the night you hit Mafia, they can just claim not to have seen the fruit vendor message. It doesn't really even confirm townies, because if anyone you targeted has died, the scum can take an educated guess that that's happened when nobody claims to have been fruit vendored on a particular night and claim that it was them who was targeted that night.
That said, weak cop is not a weak role.scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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In post 4891, GreyICE wrote:You obviously breadcrumb as a weak fruit vendor, same as you do hider/weak cop
Right. My point isn't that you can't play it like weak cop, because you can; it's that I can't see any advantages (or disadvantages, to be fair) it has over weak cop for the player holding it or their faction.scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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In post 4895, Who wrote:Basically the only difference is that you have an excuse for claiming/seriously crumbing your targets before you fullclaim.
Also it has all the advantages (Which, admittedly, I'm not sure exist beyond the occasional specific situation) of a normal fruit vendor.
You know how a Friendly Neighbour basically lets other people get Cop results on you (thus proving you're town)? Fruit Vendor was intended as the Rolecop version of that (it lets you prove you don't have another role). It's normally only really seen in Smalltown-type games where you get to bid on roles; you get to say "look, I had the option to bid on roles and intentionally chose a useless one". Some people like being able to do that, even though it isn't really alignment-indicative.scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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Just because Beloved Princess is already a role doesn't mean it's not terrible, though.
Here's a role that's outright brokenly powerful, but looks absolutely awful for town:
You are aCompulsive Gullible Day Vigilante. You can kill one player in each day phase. If you do not attempt to use your daykill on any given day, you die. If you attempt to kill scum, your action fails. You win with the town.
(That said, "Gullible", which might do with a better name, is a modifier I'd like to see in more non-Worst roles. You can do a lot of interesting things with roles that don't work on scum.)scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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Wouldn't necessarily be OP as Mafia, because people would assume there was some sort of first-vote-wins mechanic and be spamming votes right as the thread was unlocked.
It'd be similar in impact to a 2-shot Mafia Vigilante, which is pretty powerful but not unbeatable if the setup is otherwise balanced around it.scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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In post 4905, T S O wrote:But it just confirms scum rather than killing them, so then they just get lynched immediately?
It basically makes the game into almost Double Day. You use the first shot as the lynch. If it goes through, oops you mislynched, but yay you get to lynch someone else now rather than the scum getting their NK. If it doesn't go through, you hit scum, and can proceed to lynch them properly.scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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In post 4917, Who wrote:In post 4916, callforjudgement wrote:In post 4905, T S O wrote:But it just confirms scum rather than killing them, so then they just get lynched immediately?
It basically makes the game into almost Double Day. You use the first shot as the lynch. If it goes through, oops you mislynched, but yay you get to lynch someone else now rather than the scum getting their NK. If it doesn't go through, you hit scum, and can proceed to lynch them properly.
But wouldn't just a standard daycop be better? Or a standard nightcop? Or a standard dayvig? Or a standard nightvig? (Well, actually standard nightvig would probably be worse)
It's good, but not outright brokenly powerful.
Standard daycop is one of the most brokenly powerful roles in existence. I agree that an unlimited-shot dayvig would be better, but how often do you see an unlimited-shot dayvig? (And nightcop is also better, I think, although it's not certain.)scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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In post 4960, Ythan wrote:Interesting for a variant, if scum chose each night which two players you got to vote on each day. Anyone see holes? Is this a thing already?
It's already a setup. I forget the numbers of town and scum (probably either 10:3 or 7:2), but the game alternates between day phases where votes are unrestricted, and night phases which are like day phases, but where the choice of vote is restricted to three players chosen by the scum.scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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We've had the "werewolf and mafia who are masons with each other" both in this thread and in an actual Worst game.
Micro 530 (now complete) had a fun twist on this: a pair of masons who were both confirmed non-Mafia to the other, and both Werewolf Traitors.
EDIT: WerewolfRecruitableTraitor Masons. That was a stroke of genius.scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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You area Knower. Your teammates are X and Y, who are also Knowers.
You know every member of every scumteam: A, B, and C are Mafia, and D, E, and F are Werewolves. Your faction has a factional Doctor ability, which can self-target.
You lose if any member of your faction dies. You win if your faction makes up half the playerlist.
Based on a role from Metropolis: Revisited, but modified a bit to make it Worst-er.scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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You are a .
As far as I can tell, that's a test page named after its author. But it appears in a bunch of lists of roles, and I sort-of want to give the role to someone in a bastard mod, with nothing but the wiki page as explanation, to see what their reaction is.scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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You are aHibernator.
You can only post once every 200 posts in the game thread (i.e. of your posts, no more than one can be numbered #0 to #199, no more than one can be numbered #200 to #399, no more than one can be numbered #400 to #599, and so on.)
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We need another Quantum Mafia, really. I suspect it didn't work because a) players didn't understand what was going on and b) players didn't have enough information to make the best possible decisions.
The basic idea is that the players played in a superposition of all possible assignments of roles to players, and were told limited information about the probability of events. Each night the player performed a night action for each possible role they could have. Then the mods would calculate the probabilities for each possible set of night results, pick one at random, and eliminate all the setups in which it wouldn't have happened.
The big problem is that you really want to give people information of the form "if you're scum, there's a 56% chance that Sméagol is your buddy" so that they can be scumhunted properly. This is a problem because someone who is highly likely scum (e.g. because they were the only person to try to nightkill the person who actually died) will show up as being 100%-your-buddy to everyone and thus get insta-lynched by people who are going for the town win. As a result, the setup's normally run in such a way that scum don't know each other, which basically makes it not-Mafia and impossible to scumhunt.
If some method to fix this can be found, it might be worth running the setup.scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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You are aWin Condition Reverser.
Each night, you may target a player other than yourself. If they would win (at any subsequent point in the game), they lose instead. If they would lose, they win instead. They will not be informed of this.
This is even worse than it looks at first sight (and it looked terrible enough then)), especially if the existence of the role gets confirmed by a Rolecop or similar.scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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You areexperimenting with PM formatting.
In each of your posts, you must post something resembling a Vanilla Townie role PM. Each post must have the PM formatted or worded differently from all previous posts. You will not be modkilled for quoting or pretending to quote your role PM (although you may be modkilled for failing the post restriction, in which case the moderator is encouraged to disguise the modkill as being for pretending to quote a role PM and flipping you as Neutral Survivor without listing the prevous role).scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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You are anOverpowered, Imbalanced, 3P Role.
If you meet some incredibly easy condition, then you start converting the entire game to your faction and eventually everyone wins. This fact is obscured in several paragraphs of explanation that make the game look vaguely balanced. You have a post restriction that prevents you claiming in a futile attempt to make the role more balanced but it's trivial to work around.scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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In post 5053, Plotinus wrote:Polyglot
You may not post in English. All of your posts must be in a language that google translate can translate. You may use google translate to help you write your posts.
Add on a restriction that in each Day, each post must be in a different language.scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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The two topics have become rather confused over time.
The main difference is that I try to put bastard ideas here (both the unplayable ones, and the ones that would work fine in a game), and perfectly viable (if often bizarre or unusual) roles over there.scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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Well, I think this thread is for roles that are bastard, game-breaking, overpowered, unfun, or absurd, whereas the Grand Idea Mafia thread is for a mix of roles but ones that could all realistically be used in an actual game, and fall within actual game parameters of power, fun, and bastardliness. Often I go for making them almost useless (because most setups need more VTs than power roles and non-vanilla VTs are more interesting for a role madness game), but I go for plenty of actual power roles with levels of power you'd find in actual setups. OTOH, most of the roles I post in this thread are third parties that are overpowered or near unwinnable, power roles that generally have a terrible influence on the game around them, or roles that just plain don't work. (That said, I still try to put in a good number of roles that would be usable in a bastard mod game, so that worst-roles games are possible.)
Something like a night 5 motion detector belongs in Grand Idea because it's functionally a VT; technically, it's a marginally better VT. Most of the roles you get in this thread, being a VT instead would be a huge improvement.scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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I'd just think "meh, I'm a VT". And VT is a role I'm perfectly happy with getting. (I've been in a game with a Compulsive Self-Vanillaizer before, which is an even more useless role.)
When I played in izak's Worst Roles Mafia game, I was a Mafia Mason (with a Werewolf Mason partner). That role is genuinely bad, both in the way it's named, and in the way it actually plays (because you can often figure out someone's buddies through a neighbourhood, it sets up a prisoners' dilemma that increases the chance of crosskills, thus hurting both scum factions by making things easier for town).scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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You are aMafia Not-Quite-There Voter
You have a number of votes equal to the lynch threshold, minus the number of living players in your scumteam. The extra votes follow your main vote, and are visible in the votecount.
(standard Mafia win condition)
This role has a factor that makes it very overpowered and a factor that makes it very underpowered. If the mod is reallyreallylucky, they may end up cancelling each other out. EDIT: Clarify that they show on the votecount, it's kind-of important.Last edited by callforjudgement on Mon Apr 11, 2016 10:29 pm, edited 1 time in total.scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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You are aTypo Amplifier.
Whenever the mod makes an error in a vote count, it's corrected in the opposite direction to the one that would correct it (e.g. if a player is shown as having 3 votes on them but only 2 people are voting for them, that player now has 4 votes on them). This is effectively done via adding Loved or Hated modifiers that show on the votecount (i.e. change number of votes, not threshold) and only last for the day.scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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In post 5080, BlackStar wrote:A role where you can't talk at all or vote. You have to communicate through gifs and YouTube videos
The Worst Roles Mafia large only allowed posting via the use of avatar-sized images. knox and YYR got it, and actually managed to scumhunt through it. (One of them managed to say more per post via the use of gifs containing handwritten text.)scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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You are anOminous Townie.
In your first post, place a countdown timer with a duration of your choice, between 1 week and 3 weeks.
In every post of yours from then on, you must place the same countdown timer (i.e. copy-paste the original timer, so that the new timer reaches zero at the same time).
What happens when the timer runs out? Who knows!
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My aim in this thread is often to create roles that could be used in an actual game. (In particular, if anyone ever runs another Worst Roles Mafia, I hope it's in there.)
Not having any idea what your role actually does and being forced to go along with it is pretty Worst.scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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My definition is pretty much "roles that could only be used in a bastard game, and may well suck for the player who gets them".
Some of the roles are designed to be usable. Others are guaranteed to destroy whichever game they're in. (I think the most recent Worst Roles Mafia, which used random roles from the thread (!), let one slip through that was almost guaranteed to cause a win for the faction of whoever got it.)scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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I'm pretty sure Loyal does absolutely nothing on a Town Framer, at least outside multiball. Either you target town, in which case Loyal has no effect, or you target scum, in which case Framer has no effect.
The joke with Weak Framer is that Weak means you die if you target someone who investigates as scum, and Framer makes them investigate as scum. (I know you're not meant to explain jokes, but…)scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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That's my point.
Framer doesn't affect non-townies anyway, because they're already not town, thus making them investigate as not town isn't a change.
Thus Loyal Framer is indistinguishable from Framer, except in some cases involving multiball or arguably Godfather.scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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Mafia Reverse Hider
Each night, choose someone to hide behind you. All night actions affecting you will affect them too, and actions aimed directly at them will fail (this has commute priority, i.e. this part of the role works even if you get roleblocked). Additionally, if you investigate as Mafia, that player will die.scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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It's possible to die without flipping in a few special cases (typically involving self-revivers). The Grand Idea thread probably has some of those by now.
(I've also seen a player do a death-like flip without actually dying, and almost all the players believed they were dead, although that game wasverybastard.)scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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Third Party Helper
Each night, choose a player. If that player is a third party, whatever condition fulfils that player's victory condition will automatically happen. (For example, if you target a Jester, they'll become massively Hated and end up being lynched with zero votes the next day; if you target an Unjester, you'll nightkill them; if you target a Survivor, they'll become deathproof; and so on.)scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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That seems fairly useful as an investigative, if you're good at bluffing. You may be able to trick the action target into letting you know whether or not they got the message.In post 5215, Skygazer wrote:Disloyal Friendly Neighbor
Each night, you may visit any player. If that player is aligned with the mafia, then they will receive a message stating that you are town.scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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